[00:13] <RenatoSilva> I can mark a bug as duplicate, right. But I want to mark it as superseded?
[00:13] <RenatoSilva> s/?/. How?
[00:13] <RenatoSilva> because I want to link them. The previous bug became invalid because of the problem becoming worse
[00:14] <RenatoSilva> didn't update the original bug as I think it's a new problem, and anyway it was generated by ubuntu-bug which makes it all complex
[01:08] <Noldorin_> how do i correctly use the "Affects" entries in a Launchpad bug? it strikes me as redundant
[01:09] <Noldorin_> i.e. how can it affect the project as a whole *and* a specific series?
[01:12] <ScottK> If not specified, it's assumed to be the development release.
[01:13] <ScottK> So if you want to specify it affects multiple releases, that's how you do it.
[01:26] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Most projects use series tasks only for tracking backports of fixes to released series.
[01:26] <Noldorin_> ohh
[01:26] <Noldorin_> wgrant, now that makes sense!
[01:26] <Noldorin_> ta
[01:30] <Noldorin_> wgrant, so it won't make sence to have it "affect" trunk really right?
[01:30] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Ubuntu does that, but most projects don't tend to.
[01:31] <Noldorin_> right
[01:31] <Noldorin_> wgrant, what does Ubuntu use it for?
[01:32] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Tracking release-critical bugs.
[01:33] <Noldorin_> wgrant, how does tracking in Trunk as opposed to the project (whole) make a difference though?
[01:34] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Ubuntu has a *lot* of bugs, most of which are not release-critical.
[01:34] <wgrant> Ubuntu targets to trunk (well, the development series) for bugs that are of particular interest to this series.
[01:35] <Noldorin_> wgrant, ok but if i forget about targeting to Trunk and only target to specific x.y release series i cna't go much wrong, right?
[01:35] <wgrant> Indeed.
[01:35] <Noldorin_> great.
[01:36] <Noldorin_> wgrant, last thing: i somehow managed to get a few bugs showing "Status tracked in Trunk", e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ircdotnet/+bug/521241
[01:36] <Noldorin_> not sure how i did that even...?
[01:36] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Set them to "Won't Fix" to get the main task back.
[01:38] <Noldorin_> wgrant, oh i see. how did i do it in the first place though? :-)
[01:39] <wgrant> Noldorin_: You must have clicked "Target to series", I guess.
[01:41] <Noldorin_> wgrant, oh but normally, it shows separate status/importances/etc. for each
[01:42] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Right, except for the special case of the development series.
[01:42] <wgrant> If that is targeted, the main task doesn't have a separate status/importance.
[02:16] <bobweaver> Hi there
[02:39] <Noldorin> wgrant, oh, i see, got it.
[02:40] <Noldorin> wgrant, so i could just assign standard development bugs to Trunk...but it's probably convention just to leave it as default (main project)?
[02:40] <wgrant> Noldorin: Right.
[02:40] <Noldorin> ok
[02:40] <Noldorin> wgrant, thanks very much :-)
[02:43] <DNS777> hi guys :)
[02:44] <DNS777> is some admin online who can reactive build this > https://launchpad.net/~dns/+archive/gnu/+build/2656497
[02:45] <wgrant> DNS777: It looks like you deleted and then recopied the source package?
[02:45] <DNS777> only this package is "stucked" thru i got it delete and then build again
[02:46] <wgrant> It's not possibly to retrieve that build without changing the version and uploading again.
[02:46] <DNS777> the i386 and amd again builded
[02:46] <wgrant> However: Ubuntu 9.04 has been unsupported for 9 months now, and isn't really supportd by Launchpad any more.
[02:46] <wgrant> You should probably stop building for it; we'll start rejecting uploads soon.
[02:46] <wgrant> Karmic has been unsupported for three months, and we'll start rejecting uploads to it soon as well.
[02:46] <DNS777> hm k
[04:34] <bobweaver> Is there a video that explains launchpad and all that it offers or tutorials
[04:41] <lifeless> theres a tour
[04:41] <lifeless> linked from the front page
[05:34] <Noldorin> wgrant, ah, one more thing: can i revert all the "affects" info from Trunk to the project for a certain bug>
[05:34] <Noldorin> ?
[05:51] <Noldorin> wgrant, around still?
[08:14] <benonsoftware> My karma said it has expired https://edge.launchpad.net/~benny
[08:34] <lifeless> benonsoftware: https://edge.launchpad.net/~benny/+karma looks fine to me; karma does naturally degrade and expire
[08:37] <benonsoftware> lifeless: On help.launchpad.net it said in 6 months it will be half. I have been a member on LP for about 3 months
[08:39] <benonsoftware> No its better :)
[08:40] <benonsoftware> lifeless: How do I change my location on my page?
[08:40] <lifeless> hmm?
[08:44] <benonsoftware> lifeless: Yess?
[08:45] <lifeless> benonsoftware: you've lost me
[08:45] <benonsoftware> lifeless: What do you mean?
[08:46] <lifeless> just that
[08:46] <benonsoftware> What?
[08:48] <lifeless> You've confused me.
[08:48] <lifeless> And for the win we seem to be going in circles, which is a tad boring.
[08:48] <benonsoftware> lifeless: On https://edge.launchpad.net/~benny down the bottom it stats location. How do I change it?
[08:50] <lifeless> benonsoftware: it only shows that to you
[08:50] <lifeless> benonsoftware: we used to have a maps feature, but thats been removed.
[08:51] <benonsoftware> lifeless: I can see other people locations on there pages
[08:53] <lifeless> shrug, thats odd.
[08:53] <lifeless> anyhow, its obsolete, feel free to file a bug that it shows up
[08:53] <benonsoftware> Ok
[08:53] <lifeless> as for changing it, it used to be in your personal settings somewhere
[08:53] <wgrant> The timezone information is not obsolete.
[08:54] <benonsoftware> wgrant: I do I change it then?
[08:54] <lifeless> wgrant: time zone != location
[08:54] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/~/+editlocation
[08:55] <lifeless> wgrant: or do we conflate the two
[08:55] <wgrant> lifeless: Time zone is shown twice.
[08:55] <wgrant> Once as time zone, once as location.;
[08:55] <lifeless> -win-
[08:55] <benonsoftware> wgrant: Thanks. You just showed me 2 new tips ;0
[10:23] <bdrung> i can't mark a bug as duplicate of another. "lp-set-dup 762641 818322" fails and the same via the launchpad website too
[10:54] <nigelb> oh yay!
[21:13] <Noldorin> hello. is there any way i can revert a "Trunk" affects-row into a Project affects-row for a bug?
[21:13] <Noldorin> i.e. undo the assignment to Trunkj
[21:52] <lifeless> Noldorin: you can mark it invalid
[21:54] <Noldorin> lifeless, right...
[21:54] <Noldorin> lifeless, that won't actually delete it though will it?
[21:54] <lifeless> thats correct
[21:55] <Noldorin> lifeless, oh, why isn't that feature offered?
[21:55] <Noldorin> i suppose this is alright...just a bit messy
[21:55] <Noldorin> oh well
[21:55] <lifeless> the early design of Launchpad had a 'do not delete data' mandate, largely because of the very open and inviting approach - the flip side of letting anyone participate is anyone will participate
[21:56] <lifeless> and deleting content is something hard to undo
[21:56] <lifeless> as we change things these days we are trying to provide undo knobs rather than blanket deletes of data
[21:57] <lifeless> s/rather than preventing/
[21:58] <lifeless> but we haven't gotten to bug tasks yet
[22:28] <Noldorin_> lifeless, ok sure. that sounds fair enough
[22:28] <Noldorin_> lifeless, put adding such functionaity for bug tasks is in the pipeline right?
[23:00] <jimis> Hi, is there some way to display a tree-like list of branches from the command line?
[23:01] <jimis> So I can see which one was forked from which
[23:04] <wgrant> Noldorin_: "Won't Fix" it.
[23:04] <wgrant> Noldorin_: That will reopen the main task.
[23:04] <Noldorin_> wgrant, oh, not "Invalid"?
[23:04] <wgrant> No.
[23:04] <Noldorin_> wgrant, ok sure
[23:05] <Noldorin_> wgrant, you are working on a bug task functionality...or it's in the pipeline at least? :-)
[23:05] <X3lectric> hey wagrant
[23:05] <wgrant> jimis: bzr qlog and glog can show you a revision graph of all the branches in the current directory.
[23:05] <wgrant> Noldorin_: Not really.
[23:05] <Noldorin_> wgrant, why not?
[23:06] <wgrant> Because Launchpad has *lots* of other things that need fixing.
[23:06] <Noldorin_> wgrant, but it's not even on the cards down the road?
[23:07] <wgrant> Reworking the way series tasks works may happen next year. Ubuntu wants some changes, but it's not clear what yet.
[23:08] <Noldorin_> wgrant, ok sure. thanks for explaining
[23:08] <X3lectric> wgrant: I though Lauchpad was gonna fix FTP uploads months ago it still only works with sftp
[23:09] <wgrant> X3lectric: We believe all bugs on our end are fixed.
[23:10] <wgrant> X3lectric: I would tend to suspect your Internet connection now.
[23:10] <X3lectric> say what
[23:10] <X3lectric> thers nothing wrong with my intrenet connection or networking
[23:11] <X3lectric> spelling on irc perhaps
[23:11] <wgrant> You frequently upload large files to other FTP sites?
[23:11] <X3lectric> yes sir
[23:15] <X3lectric> was anything significant changed in how FTP should be configured?
[23:15] <jimis> wgrant: I get "unknown command" for qlog
[23:15] <jimis> wgrant: is it a graphical utility?
[23:16] <X3lectric> cause my old file use to work then it stopped when ters were FTP issues with launchpad, switched to sftp and every other week try to use FTP and fails
[23:16] <jimis> I've only cmdline access to the server
[23:16] <wgrant> jimis: It is. It's in qbzr.
[23:16] <wgrant> Hmm.
[23:16] <wgrant> X3lectric: We have entirely replaced the FTP that is used, and very few people have complained since.
[23:17] <X3lectric> thats why im asking if anything config wise changed
[23:18] <X3lectric> I dont get a chance to come winge here ;P
[23:20] <lifeless> X3lectric: what are teh symptoms you see
[23:21] <X3lectric> off hand atm when I change to ftp it errors out i cant remmebr the error exactly
[23:22] <lifeless> as wgrant says, we believe it to be working.
[23:22] <lifeless> next time you have an error, open a ticket on https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad - and include the entire output of the command you ran
[23:25] <X3lectric> [ppa]
[23:25] <X3lectric> fqdn = upload.launchpad.net
[23:25] <X3lectric> method = ftp
[23:25] <X3lectric> passive_ftp = 1
[23:25] <X3lectric> incoming = ~%(ppa)s/ubuntu
[23:25] <X3lectric> login = anonymous
[23:26] <X3lectric> thats by ftp dput
[23:31] <X3lectric> o I believe its was  fqdn = upload.launchpad.net
[23:31] <X3lectric> that fails
[23:32] <X3lectric> but fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[23:32] <X3lectric> works
[23:32] <X3lectric> stange as before it worked I just backed it up
[23:33] <X3lectric> problem solved
[23:33] <X3lectric> idk if both lines supposed to work but as long as one works