[06:12] <Kilos> morning all of you on this cold sat morn
[06:30] <Kilos> bbl
[09:23] <Kilos> lo superfly drubin and others
[09:23] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:23]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:28] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:28] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[09:47] <Wolfeyes> Morning everyone.
[09:50] <Kilos> lo Wolfeyes 
[09:50] <Kilos> no one here
[09:52] <Wolfeyes> That's ok, still working on this program prefferences
[09:53] <Wolfeyes> -f
[09:53] <Wolfeyes> Still seeing how to work that other o/s as well lol (Not saying the name...lol)
[10:38] <pateevee> .
[10:39] <Kilos> hi pateevee 
[10:39] <pateevee> hallo oom
[10:39] <pateevee> :P
[10:39] <Kilos> lol. wie is jy
[10:39] <pateevee> :O
[10:39] <pateevee> hoe meen oom?
[10:40] <Kilos> lmga het ek jou vergeet of het jy n ander nick wat ek ken?
[10:41] <pateevee> miskien
[10:41] <Kilos> hehe
[10:41] <pateevee> ek't gou irc vir my pa opgestel
[10:41] <pateevee> sal sien of hy dit wel gaan gebruik
[10:41] <Kilos> ah nuvolari 
[10:41] <pateevee> hy noem hierdie sy TV (teevee)
[10:42] <Kilos> hehe
[10:42] <pateevee> ja nee, ek weet ek is nie baie oorspronklik met nicks nie
[10:42] <Kilos> se vir hom ek se dag oom
[10:43] <pateevee> elvis left the building for a second
[10:43] <pateevee> wb Wolfeyes
[10:43] <Kilos> hehe
[10:43] <pateevee> Kilos: so ek't ubuntu via wubi hier geinstalleer
[10:44] <Kilos> eish
[10:44] <pateevee> i understood that the lappy came with Win 7 home... but it has professional on
[10:44] <pateevee> so I thought i'll keep it there :P
[10:44] <Kilos> ek like daai wubi niks. ons het te veel gesukkel daarmee
[10:44] <pateevee> hmm. why oom?
[10:44] <pateevee> so far no problems
[10:44] <Kilos> vra die wolf hoe ons gesukkel hey
[10:45] <pateevee> except I did not find the windows filesystem where I expected it
[10:46] <Kilos> win pro costs much more than home so you scored inna way
[10:46] <pateevee> Kilos: exactly oom :P
[10:46] <pateevee> but I don't know what I exactly score
[10:46] <pateevee> it's pretty useless by default
[10:46] <Kilos> but i still think they only good for the dustbin
[10:46] <pateevee> in a way
[10:46] <Kilos> did you get the cd with it
[10:47] <pateevee> I uninstalled MS office, norton internet, and all other stuffs
[10:48] <Kilos> dont leave it without a good antivirus
[10:48] <Kilos> or firewall
[10:48] <pateevee> Kilos: I installed avast!
[10:48] <Kilos> yip thats one of the best if not the best
[10:49] <Kilos> and doesnt slow the pc like amg i think it was called
[10:49] <pateevee> maar ek leer hom ubuntu :P so hy moet probeer om ubuntu eerder te gebruik
[10:49] <Kilos> ja ek stem leer hom mooi
[10:49] <Kilos> het jy die cd saam gekry
[10:50] <pateevee> ja oom, beide Win 7 Pro en die drywer cd vir die lappy
[10:50] <Kilos> en ons kan hom altyd help van hier af
[10:50] <Kilos> daai win 7 can jy verkoop ek dink
[10:51] <Kilos> as ek dit reg het is win pro n paar duisend rande werd
[10:52] <pateevee> as my pa regkom sal ek later vir hom net ubuntu opsit
[10:52] <pateevee> nee oom, dis net vir verspreiding saam met die lappy
[10:52] <Kilos> kom ons hoop
[10:52] <pateevee> ek dink nie my pa gaan dit so lekker regkry nie :P
[10:52] <pateevee> al is ons almal hier om te help
[10:53] <pateevee> hy is nie 'n geek soos oom was nie
[10:53] <Kilos> ja maar as jy n wettige cd het can jy dit op nog 2 pcs installeer
[10:53] <Kilos> ai
[10:56] <pateevee> ek probeer nou vir my pa oom se blog wys
[10:56] <pateevee> dalk probeer hy ook blog :P
[10:56] <pateevee> maar ek glo nie
[10:56] <Kilos> lmga
[10:58]  * Wolfeyes scrolls up
[10:59] <Kilos> pateevee, kry ook vir hom zonealarm firewall
[11:00] <Wolfeyes> hey pateevee 
[11:00] <Wolfeyes> Lol @ elvis leaving.
[11:00] <pateevee> lo Wolfeyes
[11:01] <Wolfeyes> brb
[11:01] <pateevee> oom, ek't oom in my pa se google+ sirkel gesit
[11:01] <pateevee> hy't nog nie baie mense nie :P
[11:02] <Kilos> dankie pateevee ek sal gaan kuier wanneer die data groei
[11:02] <pateevee> dis 100% oom
[11:03] <pateevee> dit mag dalk lank neem vir my pa om te reply 
[11:03] <pateevee> met die hand wat sukkel en so
[11:03] <pateevee> so hy en my ma skype maar net
[11:03] <Kilos> np
[11:03] <Kilos> oh ya ek vergeet van skype
[11:04] <Kilos> maar dis duur op broadband
[11:06] <Wolfeyes> It does use a lot. But I think those new data contracts you showed me Kilos are pretty good.
[11:06] <Wolfeyes> The one's from Mtn.
[11:09] <Kilos> yeah if you can spend time after midnight
[11:09] <pateevee> ye, that's the one my parents have
[11:09] <Kilos> otherwise its only 10g
[11:10] <Kilos> im sure skyping will eat that in less than a month
[11:10] <Wolfeyes> If I remember correctly they spoke of off peak not midnight.
[11:10] <Kilos> oh maybe
[11:10] <Wolfeyes> Off peak is 20h00 to 7h00
[11:10] <pateevee> ye, the only problem I have now is that they can't check the data usage without going to windows or putting the sim in a phone
[11:10] <pateevee> bah
[11:11] <pateevee> maybe they have a data usage monitor on a website?
[11:11] <pateevee> Kilos: maybe you know oom?
[11:11] <Kilos> lol i put sim in fone every night
[11:11] <Wolfeyes> Can't you load the mtn program in wine just to see the data usage?
[11:11] <Kilos> there is a vodafone goodie pateevee 
[11:11] <Wolfeyes> or that ^
[11:12] <pateevee> the only wine I like is the wine from the cape region :P
[11:12] <Wolfeyes> lol
[11:13] <Wolfeyes> Didn't you say you on win7 ?
[11:13] <Kilos> pateevee, look at vodafone mobile connect i dunno if it will see data
[11:13] <Wolfeyes> In the new hardware there is a place on the tabs to check your balance if you loaded it in win.
[11:13] <Wolfeyes> or software... er
[11:14] <Kilos> yes but he wants his dad to use ubuntu Wolfeyes 
[11:14] <pateevee> Wolfeyes: win 7 with dualboot/wubi ubuntu
[11:14] <pateevee> ya :-/
[11:14] <pateevee> wait wait
[11:14] <pateevee> there's that mobile thingy
[11:14] <pateevee> I need to find it
[11:14] <Wolfeyes> but then you on mtn also so vodacom wouldn't work.
[11:14] <Kilos> yeah i am hunting for the other one
[11:14] <pateevee> there's a tool in synaptic
[11:15] <Kilos> wammu or gammu
[11:15] <Kilos> ?
[11:15] <pateevee> ya!
[11:15] <pateevee> that oom
[11:15] <pateevee> thanks
[11:15] <Wolfeyes> Haven't heard of them.
[11:16] <Kilos> only they cant see my saudi modem
[11:16] <Kilos> sigh
[11:16] <Kilos> there was another thing too but i forget its name now
[11:17] <pateevee> there's a lot of new stuff for gsm devices
[11:17] <pateevee> gsm-utils
[11:17] <pateevee> and gnome-something too
[11:17] <pateevee> gnome-phone-manager
[11:18] <pateevee> geez, I almost removed a guy from my g+ circle today
[11:18] <pateevee> telling me to use OpenOffice over LibreOffice
[11:18] <pateevee> pffft
[11:18] <Kilos> lol
[11:18] <pateevee> supposedly something about file issues
[11:20] <Wolfeyes> lol
[11:20] <pateevee> my dad is now uberconnected :P
[11:20] <pateevee> g+, twitter, irc, googletalk
[11:21] <pateevee> all in the blink of an eye
[11:21] <Kilos> hee hee and no pidgin?
[11:21] <pateevee> empathy
[11:21] <Kilos> i prefer pidgin
[11:21] <pateevee> moet net kyk of daar 'n autojoin is vir irc
[11:22] <pateevee> ah, there we go
[11:22] <pateevee> should be automagically connecting
[11:23] <Kilos> pateevee, where does that gnome-phone-manager go and hide
[11:24] <pateevee> weet nog nie oom
[11:24] <pateevee> it just finished installing
[11:24] <pateevee> will have a look now
[11:25] <Kilos> ah in system tools
[11:25] <Kilos> applications system tools
[11:25] <Kilos> you might need to activate system tools
[11:26] <Kilos> no thats for smsing
[11:26] <Kilos> grrr
[11:28] <Kilos> i cant find it
[11:28] <Kilos> sigh
[11:28] <pateevee> wammu freezing on me
[11:28] <Kilos> oh my
[11:31] <Kilos> mine wants to connect to a fone via bluetooth  so i gave up because the modem got no bluetooth
[11:32] <pateevee> ya, having problems too
[11:33] <pateevee> it's working on my laptop though
[11:36] <Kilos> maybe that gnome-phone-manager might see the modem. wammu wants bt connecting
[11:36] <Kilos> grrr
[11:37] <pateevee> giving up
[11:37] <pateevee> :(
[11:38] <Kilos> yeah maybe better to put sim in fone
[11:39] <Kilos> that fone manager is in /usr/share but i dunno why it didnt give a shortcut somewhere
[11:39] <Kilos> :( hehe
[11:41] <pateevee> waso oom?
[11:42] <Kilos> ek het die search opsie gebruik
[11:43] <Kilos> en dis in filesystem
[11:44] <Kilos> /usr/share/app-install/desktop
[11:44] <Kilos> maar daar niks op desktop nie
[11:44] <Kilos> eish
[11:45] <Kilos> maar miskien wil dit ook net smse stuur
[11:47] <Kilos> wat is irda pateevee 
[11:47] <pateevee> infra rooi oom
[11:47] <Kilos> hoe is die modem gekonnekteer
[11:47] <Kilos> eish
[11:48] <Kilos> en at
[11:49] <pateevee> at is ek nie seker nie
[11:49] <pateevee> dis 'n protocol
[11:49] <Kilos> het n ander ding hier ook
[11:50] <pateevee> vir fone
[11:50] <Kilos> gMobileMedia
[11:50] <Kilos> maar dit soek hoe jy wil konnekt
[11:51] <pateevee> hmm. ja nee, ek raak so bietjie verlore oom
[11:51] <pateevee> ek dink dis oraait vir actual fone
[11:51] <Kilos> ja ek dink nie hulle werk op 3g modems nie
[11:52] <Kilos> en baie mense gebruik hulle deesdae
[11:53] <Kilos> veral met lappies
[11:55] <Kilos> sjoe ek dors nou al hierdie gesoekery
[11:55] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[11:55]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[11:59] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[11:59] <Kilos> Maaz, ty fella
[11:59] <Maaz> Who is your fella Kilos?
[11:59] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[11:59] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[11:59] <pateevee> ok, gaan gou windoze toe om te check of als nog werk :P
[12:00] <pateevee> o, en ek moet pidgin daar install
[12:00] <pateevee> bbiab
[12:00] <Kilos> lol
[12:15] <pateevee> pidgin
[12:15] <Kilos> hehe
[12:16] <Kilos> pidgin is grand
[12:16] <pateevee> kan dit launch met startup oom?
[12:16] <pateevee> in windows
[12:16] <Kilos> ja
[12:16] <Kilos> startup apps ek dink
[12:17] <Kilos> ja
[12:17] <Kilos> vra Wolfeyes 
[12:17] <Kilos> Wolfeyes, ping
[12:17] <Wolfeyes> I'm here
[12:17] <Wolfeyes> Just reading quick
[12:17] <Kilos> hy het dit al lank op win
[12:17] <pateevee> geez, my dad has 7.3 GB bandwidth left
[12:17] <pateevee> And I only realize it now :P
[12:17] <Kilos> en debbie het dit ook
[12:17] <pateevee> it expires on the 21st
[12:18] <Kilos> wow
[12:18] <Kilos> stuur bietjie
[12:18] <Kilos> lol
[12:18] <Wolfeyes> You should be able to add it to start up programs
[12:19] <pateevee> was a mission
[12:19] <pateevee> geez
[12:19] <Wolfeyes> just trying to find it
[12:19] <Wolfeyes> Haven't used win7 to long
[12:19] <pateevee> but... there's no way to tell it to connect co a channel
[12:20] <pateevee> *to
[12:20] <Kilos> yes there is
[12:20] <Wolfeyes> yes there is
[12:20] <Kilos> snap
[12:20] <Wolfeyes> You owe me a coke
[12:20] <Wolfeyes> lol
[12:21] <Kilos> pateevee, accounts
[12:21] <Kilos> add
[12:21] <Kilos> oh you mean to a channel here?
[12:22] <pateevee> Kilos: ja oom
[12:22] <Kilos> i use xchat for here
[12:22] <Kilos> even works on windows
[12:23] <Kilos> Maaz, google xchat for win7
[12:23] <Maaz> Kilos: "xchat.org • View topic - xchat and windows 7" http://forum.xchat.org/viewtopic.php?t=4842 :: "XChat: Multiplatform Chat Program" http://www.xchat.org/ :: "XChat: Multiplatform Chat Program" http://xchat.org/download/ :: "X-Chat 2 for Windows" http://www.silverex.org/ :: "Portable XChat-WDK for Windows 7 - An IRC chat program - Windows 7 ..." http://www.windows7download.com/win7-portable-xchat-wdk/patjqpxi.html :: "xchat Windows 7 
[12:23] <Kilos> xchat is beter vir toppies
[12:24] <Wolfeyes> lol
[12:25] <Kilos> pidgin lekker vir mxit,msn aim en so aan
[12:26] <Wolfeyes> 2mins just testing
[12:28] <Kilos> hmm
[12:28] <Wolfeyes> Ok pateevee lets have a look and see
[12:29] <Wolfeyes> Xchat, Network list, 
[12:29] <Wolfeyes> Click on freenode, 
[12:29] <Kilos> he is on pidgin Wolfeyes 
[12:29] <Wolfeyes> then connect
[12:29] <Wolfeyes> Not xchat...
[12:30] <Wolfeyes> Ok hold on...
[12:30] <Wolfeyes> You could have done it with xchat too.
[12:30] <Symmetri1> xchat aqua ftw! :)
[12:30] <Symmetri1> (but thats os-x only) :(
[12:30] <Symmetri1> strangely I cant stand normal xchat
[12:32] <pateevee> bleh
[12:32] <Wolfeyes> 2mins
[12:32] <pateevee> not going to struggle with xchat
[12:32] <Kilos> lol
[12:32] <pateevee> it's not like my dad is connected 24/7
[12:33] <pateevee> unlike us
[12:33] <Kilos> do you want to use pidgin just for irc pateevee 
[12:37]  * Symmetri1 sighs and wanders off to finish packing and then go to london
[12:37] <Symmetri1> back from there I guess
[12:37] <Wolfeyes> lol
[12:37] <Symmetria> heh, london tomorrow, amsterdam on wednesday
[12:37] <Symmetria> ghana on sunday
[12:38] <Symmetria> crazy
[12:38] <pateevee> classic http://verydemotivational.memebase.com/2010/02/25/demotivational-posters-blitzkrieg/?from=recMap1
[12:38] <Kilos> eish
[12:38] <Symmetria> I like debtceilingcat!
[12:38] <Symmetria> http://debtceilingcat.tumblr.com/
[12:39] <Symmetria> lol @ debt ceiling cat sees four treeeelllion dollars
[15:42] <Langjan> Hi Maaz, do you have some advice for me please? Trying to update on my wife's Ubuntu 11.04, feedback says "it seems that the daemon died"
[16:00]  * nlsthzn waves
[16:52] <Langjan> Hi nlsthzn
[16:52] <nlsthzn> Hallo Oom Langjan :)
[16:53] <Langjan> how are you doing?
[16:55] <nlsthzn> Oh, I am OK... Got a nice long night shift to get passed but nothing really to complain about :)... how about things over there in ZA?
[17:01] <Langjan> Fine thanks, just a long winter. Fortunately we are in a warm area
[17:03] <nlsthzn> Yup. It has sounded like a tough one so far. Not something I miss (then again, the tough summer here more than makes up for it :/ )
[17:05] <Langjan> Have you any idea what to do when update mgr on Ubuntu 11.04 says "it seems like the daemon died"?
[17:08] <nlsthzn> Langjan: Hmmm... no that is a new one for me... To update the package info an easy command to enter in a terminal is "sudo apt-get update" (without the quotation marks) ... Maybe try that and see if there is another error?
[17:18] <Langjan> unable to locate package updates
[17:18] <Langjan> update mgr says updates are downloaded but not installed
[17:19] <Langjan> Sorry, the wife's calling me to dinner,hope you get thro you long shift ok
[17:40] <nlsthzn> Langjan: next step after that one is to run "sudo apt-get upgrade" 
[17:46] <Langjan> Thanks nlsthzn, that has gotten it excited about something - running like the neighbor's kid's nose...
[17:46] <nlsthzn> Langjan: haha... let us hope it is running in the right direction...
[17:47] <Langjan> lol, looks like it knows where it's going
[17:47] <nlsthzn> you can add the two command together... "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" ... this is all you ever need to keep your install up to date in any version of Ubuntu ;)
[17:47] <Langjan> ok many thanks, that's good to know
[17:48] <Langjan> Hi kilos
[17:48] <Kilos> evening all of ya
[17:48] <Kilos> hiya Langjan 
[17:48] <Kilos> hoe gaan dit daar
[17:49]  * nlsthzn is glad to have been of assistance
[17:49]  * nlsthzn waves @ Uncle Kilos 
[17:49] <Langjan> goed dankie, nlsthzn has just helped me get my wife's machine to do the updates you suggested to start with 
[17:50] <Kilos> good so she is happy too now
[17:50] <Langjan> 120 Mb of them
[17:50] <Langjan> don't know yet, will see what the icons etc look like when were done
[17:51] <Kilos> yeah. lol i got 120m thaT I HAVE BLOCKED FROM UPDATING HERE
[17:51] <Kilos> sorry for caps
[17:51] <nlsthzn> Langjan: is there a problem with your interface on 11.04?
[17:51] <Langjan> that's what John Smit said today
[17:51] <Langjan> sorry for caps
[17:51]  * nlsthzn doesn't want to talk/think about rugby until the World Cup... :/
[17:52] <Kilos> lol
[17:52] <Kilos> they played maar sleg
[17:52] <Kilos> school team
[17:53]  * superfly forgets that not everyone in here is a geek
[17:53] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[17:53] <Langjan> agreed, don't know about interface but the icons and some sites, e-mails etc keep on going small and some on the desktop seem unable to adjust at all
[17:53] <Kilos> you have also watched superfly 
[17:53] <superfly> what is his "rugby" you speak of?
[17:53] <Kilos> and at the time you said you enjoyed it
[17:53] <superfly> *this
[17:54] <Langjan> First time ever that the 'boks have conceded 80 points in 2 consecutive matches..
[17:55] <Langjan> also first time ever they have a g.m..t for a coach 
[17:56] <Kilos> so you updating now Langjan 
[17:56] <Kilos> what did i give you wrong
[17:57] <Kilos> hey nlsthzn 
[17:57] <Langjan> nlsthzn, there is a problem with icon size settings and settings on e-mails and websites that keep going small, almost infinitesmal
[17:57] <Langjan> yes, updating now kilos
[17:57] <Kilos> ok we see when its done
[17:59] <nlsthzn> Interesting problem... Is this happening in Unity or Gnome-classic (or both)?
[17:59] <Langjan> seems like its done, just doing some checks now  
[18:00] <Langjan> Gnome classic, how do I get to unity? But I want to get back to gnome 
[18:01] <Kilos> stay on gnome till pc is working fine
[18:01] <Kilos> one step at a time
[18:01] <nlsthzn> :)
[18:02] <Langjan> ok, the sizes on thunderbird seem fine now (hooray) but the icons and eg the little circle that says wait i'm working are still very small
[18:03] <Kilos> then go check those settings again in system appearance
[18:04] <Langjan> other icons are the ones in the panel that indicate sound, power, mail, where do I set these in system appearance?
[18:04] <Kilos> system preferences appearance fonts
[18:05] <Kilos> are you there Langjan 
[18:05] <Langjan> I'm here but it is, inter alia, the icons next to the headings in preferences appearance
[18:06] <Kilos> yes now go to fonts
[18:07] <Kilos> in application font tick where it says 10 and go to 14
[18:07] <Langjan> ok but be patient please, I am working on 2 computers
[18:07] <Kilos> ok
[18:08] <Langjan> it is on 14, has been all the time
[18:08] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[18:08] <Kilos> and the others
[18:08] <Langjan> aha
[18:08] <Langjan> ahaha
[18:08] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <Langjan> my system is on 11 and those icons are fine...
[18:10] <Langjan> but they do not seem to be adjustable anywhere that I have been and I have been around.
[18:10] <Kilos> i dont see system on maverick
[18:10] <Kilos> application, document, desktop,window title and fixed width
[18:11] <Kilos> are you still in those appearance settings
[18:13] <Langjan> youve lost me now, application, document? 
[18:14] <Kilos> in system. appearance 
[18:14] <Kilos> fonts
[18:14] <Kilos> there must be 4 or so steeings you can change
[18:15] <Langjan> yes, none of those work on the icons in question
[18:15] <Langjan> they are all on 14, and a bit too large but easy to rectify
[18:15] <Kilos> oh are your panel icons tight size
[18:16] <Kilos> and the applications one should change all your applications font sizes
[18:16] <Langjan> only some of them, those that do not react to settings pixel changes
[18:17] <Kilos> oh my then i am stuck
[18:17] <Kilos> nlsthzn, help
[18:17] <Langjan> join the club
[18:17] <Kilos> lol
[18:17] <Langjan> lmga
[18:17] <Kilos> min4e changed all my applications font sizes
[18:18] <Langjan> whats min4e?
[18:18] <Kilos> typo
[18:18] <Kilos> mine
[18:18] <Langjan> typo? lost me again, onthou ek's oud
[18:18] <Kilos> i look at eack key when typing and sometimes miss what i aiming at
[18:19] <Kilos> typing errors
[18:19] <Langjan> me too
[18:19] <Kilos> lmaa
[18:19] <Kilos> thats called typo's
[18:19] <Langjan> tried a typing course but i'm too far gone
[18:20] <Kilos> have you looked at you icons in the problem areas since updating
[18:20] <Kilos> yeah me too, my fingers cant bend like that
[18:20] <Langjan> yeeeess! no change
[18:20] <Kilos> ok thats thunderbird and what else
[18:21] <Kilos> nlsthzn, ping
[18:21] <Langjan> only the ones that are adjustable have come right, tbird and browsing sites, let me check that one 
[18:21] <nlsthzn> alo...
[18:22] <Kilos> neil his icons are right it settings now but tb is still small 
[18:22] <Kilos> you use tb hey?
[18:22] <nlsthzn> I have read all that has been written but I am  bit stumped...
[18:22] <nlsthzn> Is the problem only in Thunderbird?
[18:22] <Kilos> oh my
[18:22] <Langjan> websites are alos fine now
[18:22] <Langjan> also
[18:22] <Kilos> he checking others now
[18:22] <Kilos> yay
[18:23] <Kilos> we getting somewhere
[18:24] <Kilos> you did the reinstall thunderbird hey Langjan 
[18:24] <Langjan> no, the problem is in my panel and the same in my system prferences and admin items, the icons on the left of each item 
[18:25] <Kilos> the panel?
[18:25] <Kilos> the little bar at the top of the screen
[18:25] <Langjan> did not reinstall tbird, just upgraded, which I suppose also reinstalled...?
[18:25] <Langjan> yes 
[18:25] <nlsthzn> re-installing won't neceserallly fix anything as the config files may remain
[18:26] <Kilos> mine went bigger with one of those settings in fonts
[18:26] <nlsthzn> and as the problem isn't thunderbird specific I doubt that is the root cause
[18:27] <Langjan> the icons of installed applications are showing fine, it is the icons of the system, e.g power, sound (the little mike) and ubuntu
[18:27] <nlsthzn> I am not infront of a Linux machine at the moment so I can't really give specific instructions :/ Could I ask a screenshot of the specific issue areas?
[18:27] <nlsthzn> Langjan: all of the icons on the top bar to the right?
[18:27] <Langjan> I tried to paste it into a site but could not get it to go there, can I e-mail it to you?
[18:28] <Kilos> imageshack
[18:28] <Kilos> Maaz, google imageshack
[18:28] <Maaz> Kilos: "ImageShack® - Online Photo and Video Hosting" http://imageshack.us/ :: "My Images - ImageShack® - Register" http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php :: "ImageShack® - Blog" http://blog.imageshack.us/ :: "ImageShack® - Images/Videos" http://imageshack.us/toolbar/pictures.php :: "ImageShack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ImageShack :: "ImageShack | CrunchBase Profile" http://www.crunchbase.com/company
[18:28] <Langjan> no, only the icons of ubuntu, power, the little mike and the ones in the list of preferences
[18:30] <Langjan> I regsitered on imageshack but canot paste the screenshot into anywhere
[18:30] <Kilos> whew my settings that we got at 14 there in fonts changes the size of all the top panel icons
[18:31] <Kilos> Langjan, just go try those fonts settings again and watch you top panel and and see if anything changes when you tick ok after changing the size
[18:31] <Langjan> ok going somewhere on imageshavck, wait please
[18:32] <nlsthzn> Langjan: nlsthzn @ gmail . com
[18:33] <Langjan> tried that many time kilos, will mail the shot to nlsthzn
[18:33] <Kilos> i also battled to get my first image there
[18:33] <Kilos> ok we get someone to help you next time you need it
[18:34] <Kilos> think superfly helped me
[18:34] <Kilos> ek het ook gesukkel
[18:35] <nlsthzn> I wouldn't advice imageshack... best to try flickr, or even picasa...
[18:36] <Kilos> are they easier for toppies nlsthzn 
[18:36] <nlsthzn> Not sure... but imageshack has often given issues on displaying images when linked online...
[18:37] <nlsthzn> picasa links well with gmail but I prefer flickr's interface
[18:37] <Kilos> ya but you guys preferences are sometimes a bit above us ballies
[18:38] <Kilos> i used picasa with my blog but sukkeled lots there as well
[18:38] <Kilos> hehe
[18:38] <Langjan> nlsthzn, you will see that there is a set of icons significantly smaller than the rest , they are much larger on my machine but seem to be non-adjustable so why are they small on my wife's 11.04?
[18:39] <nlsthzn> Langjan: will have a look as soon as I get it, thx
[18:39] <Langjan> Hooray, wat se julle van toppies? http://img809.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img809/4343/screenshotzdb.png
[18:39] <Kilos> yeah thats your top panel
[18:39] <Kilos> lmga
[18:40] <Kilos> that top panel must change there by applications where you got 14
[18:40] <Kilos> change it to 12 and watch the panel when you tick ok
[18:41] <Kilos> or go to 16
[18:42] <Kilos> when i change mine the whole panel changes size
[18:42] <Langjan> jy verstaan nie, the system icons do not change al doen jy wat
[18:42] <nlsthzn> ... was this a defualt install of 11.04 or an upgrade?  Can I ask the specifications of the machine (seeing as the defualt Radience theme should still be activated even on fallback gnome)
[18:42] <Kilos> dan is die foud in daai ding
[18:43] <Langjan> an upgrade from 10.04
[18:43] <Kilos> nlsthzn, sal jou reg kry nou nou
[18:43] <Langjan> whwre it was showing fine
[18:44] <nlsthzn> Langjan: have you tried right clicking the desktop and changing the theme to radiance?
[18:45] <Langjan> nlsthzn (why such a complicated handle?) have tried a few optiions but let me try radiance  
[18:46] <Kilos> is that a natty thing you doing now
[18:47] <nlsthzn> nEIlOOsthUIzEn ;) - I want to see where the issue is... do we need some drivers or something else... no point trying to change a lot of settings if there is an issue like that to resolve ;)
[18:47] <Langjan> that set of icons remains infinitesmal irrespective of the theme selected
[18:47] <inetpro> good evening
[18:47] <inetpro> what can I do to improve 3G/mobile signal at home?
[18:47] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[18:48] <Langjan> also the mouse cursor and the little "working" circle
[18:48] <nlsthzn> Langjan: but does everything change when you change the theme? the colours windows borders, buttons for open/close etc.?
[18:48] <Langjan> yes they do
[18:48] <Kilos> is it the tower thats too far inetpro 
[18:48] <nlsthzn> ok... so the top bit and the mouse stays small
[18:48] <Kilos> or the sp supplying a bad signal
[18:49] <Langjan> my icoons must be on that far tower...
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: sometimes it's nice and strong but other times it is extremely bad
[18:49] <inetpro> just reset my modem now and suddenly I can talk to you guys again
[18:49] <Langjan> part of the top bit and mouse etc
[18:49] <Kilos> then its the sp choking it when they get busy
[18:50] <Kilos> i see my signal is now at 3 bars but often goes down to one
[18:50]  * inetpro can't wait for Monday when VC price is coming down again
[18:50] <Kilos> VC?
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: Voda
[18:51] <Kilos> are they coming down?
[18:52] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, I'm trying to find the article
[18:52] <Langjan> nlsthzn, it is the mouse cursor, the circle that says theres working going on and the ubuntu and power and microphone and mail icons
[18:52] <Langjan> as you will see in the screenshot
[18:52] <nlsthzn> Langjan: yup... trying to see if I can find similar issues online... brb :)
[18:53] <Langjan> thanks nlsthzn 
[18:54] <inetpro> New Vodacom broadband pricing unveiled http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/29650-new-vodacom-broadband-pricing-unveiled.html
[18:54] <Langjan> applications, places, system and date fonts are fine, its just the icons
[18:55] <nlsthzn> Langjan: while I search could you log out of the PC and in the log in screen at the bottom you will have the option to choose ubuntu classic (no effects)... could you choose that and log back in and report on any changes?
[18:55] <inetpro> new pricing changes will be implemented by 1 August 2011
[18:56] <Kilos> ek kannie gaan kyk nie boet
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: watse bundle koop jy gewoonlik?
[18:57] <Kilos> ek het ian se sim wat hy met modem gekry het en dit het nog a maand of 2 se 100m
[18:57] <inetpro> MyMeg 250 = R99 vanaf 1 Aug
[18:57] <inetpro> MyMeg 500 = R149
[18:57] <Kilos> dis goed eintlik
[18:58] <Kilos> mymeg 110 was 88
[18:58] <inetpro> MyMeg 750 = R220
[18:58] <inetpro> MyGig 1 = R 249
[18:58] <inetpro> MyGig 3 = R 489
[18:58] <inetpro> MyGig 20 = R 2,859
[18:59] <inetpro> met ander opsies tussein
[18:59] <Kilos> die mtn pryse is beter ek dink
[18:59] <inetpro> ok
[18:59] <Kilos> nuvolari, weet wat betaal sy pa
[18:59] <inetpro> in that case I need to look at MTN again
[18:59] <Kilos> dink dit was R300 vir 10g
[19:00] <inetpro> yikes
[19:00] <Kilos> en 8ta het 10g vir 200 ek dink
[19:00] <inetpro> Kilos: seker op lang termyn kontrak?
[19:00] <superfly> Kilos: no, MTN and Vodacom have always had almost identical pricing
[19:00] <Kilos> ja hulle is kontak
[19:01] <Langjan> nlsthzn, the problem starts with the login window, it's minute compared to mine and stays that way, in line with the other minute icons
[19:02] <Langjan> now the e-mails in tbird have gone back to miniature also, as they were before the upgrade 
[19:03] <Kilos> yeah superfly i forgot they were on contract
[19:03] <nlsthzn> Langjan: Wow... ok... that is strange... I cannot find anything online at the moment... (a bit difficult focusing 100% when I am also "working")... will keep at it as time avails itself... maybe one of the boffins will be on shortly and they will get it fixed in two shakes ... 
[19:03] <Kilos> skuus
[19:03]  * nlsthzn isn't a fan of upgrades at all :?
[19:03] <nlsthzn> :/
[19:05] <Kilos> inetpro, what controls you icon sizes before you get to the settings you can change
[19:05] <inetpro> Kilos: I use KDE on Kubuntu
[19:06] <inetpro> Ubuntu/gnome is a different animal
[19:06] <Kilos> o ya
[19:06] <Kilos> eish
[19:06] <Kilos> Langjan, try sudo aptitude reinstall gnome-panel
[19:07] <Kilos> i go see if there a mouse thingie too
[19:08] <Kilos> it might be in xserver-xorg even i think
[19:08]  * nlsthzn wonders if it is just a screen resolution issue but doubts that
[19:09] <Kilos> betcha that xserver will go fetch more info if you update in synaptic
[19:09] <Kilos> or reinstall them in synaptic
[19:10] <Langjan> Heres the new screenshot. See for yourself: http://img109.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img109/4066/screenshot1qt.png
[19:10] <Langjan> running reinstall panel
[19:11] <Kilos> then one more thing Langjan go to synaptic package manager
[19:12] <Kilos> in the top little window by the search eyeglass
[19:12] <Kilos> type in xserver
[19:13] <Langjan> reinstalled gnome panel, now thunderbird is fine but the icons unchanged 
[19:13] <Kilos> so its something not installed completely
[19:14] <Kilos> i hope its in the xserver packages
[19:16] <Kilos> is jy daar Langjan 
[19:16] <Langjan> eks hier, is by spmanager, what to do there?
[19:17] <nlsthzn> Langjan: I am not sure if you have tried the forums... in any case I started a thread with your problem... will wait and see if we get any valuable info from there ...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1815045
[19:17] <Kilos> or something got a bit corrupted with upgrading
[19:17] <Langjan> thnks nlsthzn
[19:17] <Kilos> Langjan, type in xserver in the top little window
[19:17] <Kilos> block
[19:18] <Langjan> done wat nou?
[19:18] <Kilos> you will see lotsa packages marked green
[19:18] <Langjan> yip
[19:18] <Kilos> right click on one and then tick reinstall
[19:19] <Kilos> or right click all green ones and tick reinstall
[19:19] <Kilos> then tick apply at the top and it will say how much it must download to get them up to date
[19:19] <Langjan> it says mark for reinstall, where do I reinstall?
[19:20] <Kilos> you mark them only
[19:20] <Kilos> then with the apply button they will do it
[19:20] <Kilos> sorry i forgot it marks them first
[19:21] <Langjan> there are dozens, all of them?
[19:21] <Kilos> try with 6 or so first then see if it wants to download anything
[19:22] <Kilos> if you archive packages are up to date then it wont want to download but will reinstall them
[19:24] <Kilos> you might need to tick reload at the top so synaptic can see whats available and whats already there
[19:25] <Kilos> sometimes the mark all upgrades button finds stuff thats half installed as well
[19:25] <Kilos> or not updated anyway
[19:29] <Langjan> did them all, 45 of them and restarted. No change. 
[19:30] <Kilos> oh my
[19:30] <Langjan> jou wat?
[19:30] <Kilos> did it download anything
[19:30] <Kilos> lmga
[19:30] <Kilos> ek kry darem n lag uit jou uit
[19:30] <Langjan> well it reinstalled all the selected packages
[19:31] <Kilos> yes but it musta told you first how much it needed to download
[19:31] <Kilos> before you finally give it the got ahead
[19:32] <Langjan> dont think it did
[19:32] <Kilos> jy moet mooi lees oom
[19:32] <Kilos> ok in synaptic
[19:33] <Langjan> miskien moet ek teruggaan na die telraam toe wat my ma vir my gegee het 
[19:33] <Kilos> tick the reload and watch
[19:33] <Kilos> lmaa
[19:33] <Kilos> abacus?
[19:34] <Kilos> i am sure something didnt upgrade properly
[19:34] <Kilos> i dunno why all the clever guys arent helping us here
[19:35] <Langjan> it says how many packages but zero bytes
[19:36] <inetpro> Langjan: nee die abacus sal beter werk
[19:36] <Kilos> ok Langjan tick mark all upgrades
[19:37] <Langjan> wie sal my abba en wie sal my kus?
[19:37] <inetpro> s/abacus/abakus/
[19:37] <inetpro> Langjan: sien http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abakus
[19:38] <inetpro> die ingelse artikel is baie meer volledig
[19:38] <Langjan> ok will have to study that first, but do I follow kilos or inetpro? 
[19:38] <Langjan> mark all upgrades where? 
[19:38] <Kilos> just tick that mark all upgrades and hope it finds some
[19:38] <Langjan> kilos
[19:38] <Kilos> in synaptic at the top
[19:39] <inetpro> Kilos: who are those clever guys you talk about?
[19:39] <Kilos> if there are the appl button will light up after they are marked
[19:39] <inetpro> Kilos: you are one of them
[19:39] <Kilos> those that have carried me for near 2 years inetpro 
[19:40] <Kilos> no no
[19:40] <Kilos> im young and innocent
[19:40] <inetpro> :-)
[19:40] <Kilos> ek kry lekker tot in my water
[19:40] <Kilos> ou jan is ouer as ek
[19:41] <Langjan> en wyser...
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: jy meen ou lang jan?
[19:41] <Kilos> ja
[19:41] <Kilos> hy
[19:41]  * inetpro lol
[19:41] <Kilos> die einste
[19:42] <Langjan> dis my wyser wat lank is
[19:42] <Kilos> hy groot ballie
[19:42] <Langjan> maar my balie is plat
[19:42] <Kilos> lol
[19:42] <inetpro> Kilos: dis altyd goed om nuwe mense hier te sien, ouderdom maak nie saak nie
[19:43] <Kilos> did you tick tick mark alll upgrades
[19:43] <Kilos> he Langjan ^^
[19:43] <Kilos> ja dis lekker
[19:43] <Langjan> yes and changes have been applied
[19:43] <inetpro> Kilos: jy help baie goed
[19:43] <Kilos> did it want to upgrade any
[19:44] <Langjan> 210 Mb
[19:44] <Kilos> wow
[19:44] <Kilos> nou wat inetpro 
[19:44] <Kilos> hoe kan dit wees na sudo apt-get update
[19:45] <Langjan> or was it 120?
[19:45] <Kilos> en sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:45] <Langjan> wou nie update nie het ge-upgrade
[19:45] <Kilos> Langjan, do sudo apt-get update
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: om nuwe mense te help verg tyd, geduld en deursettingsvermoë
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: jy't sommer van al daai
[19:46] <Langjan> She can live with the tiny icons, it just irritates me
[19:46] <Kilos> dis vir my lekker maar ek bang ek gee verkeerde info
[19:47] <Kilos> nee man Langjan 
[19:47] <Kilos> ons maak reg
[19:47] <Langjan> moet nooit bang wees nie
[19:47] <Kilos> do sudo apt-get update
[19:48] <Kilos> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:48] <inetpro> Langjan: iewers in jou opsies moet jy jou font se grootte kan stel
[19:48] <Langjan> the time it is taking does not justify the reward even if we find the problem which I amsure will eventually surface
[19:48] <Kilos> and see if it wants to download anything
[19:48] <Langjan> I have, moet ek dit weer doen? 
[19:48] <Kilos> nee
[19:48] <Kilos> het jy altwee gedoen
[19:49] <Kilos> sudo apt-get distupgrade
[19:49] <Kilos> eish
[19:49] <Langjan> ja, ek se mos hy wou nie update nie toe doen ek upgrade
[19:49] <Kilos> nou nie seker nie
[19:49] <Langjan> maar nie distupgrade nie
[19:49] <Kilos> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:49] <Kilos> een van daai
[19:50] <inetpro> hmm... 
[19:50] <inetpro> Langjan: what are you trying to do?
[19:50] <inetpro> sorry, I may have missed some stuff
[19:50] <Kilos> fix tiny icons that wont change in font settings inetpro 
[19:51] <Kilos> like his panel icons are tiny
[19:51] <Langjan> nothing to upgrade
[19:51] <inetpro> a dist-upgrade or even a plain old upgrade won't fix that
[19:51] <Kilos> can hardly see them
[19:52] <inetpro> Langjan: which icons specifically?
[19:52] <Kilos> i was hoping that they cant be changed in system prefs appearance fonts because something not upgraded properly
[19:52] <Kilos> and the mouse cursor is tiny
[19:52] <Kilos> en die huur glasie as dit se wag n bietjie
[19:53]  * inetpro lol @ "die huur glasie"
[19:54] <Kilos> moenie lag nie man gee raad
[19:54] <Kilos> lmga
[19:54] <Langjan> inetpro, it starts with login window, then ubuntu icon, the sound mike, mail envelope, about and power icon. Also the little circle that says "working"   
[19:54] <inetpro> hmm
[19:54] <Langjan> my huurglasie is rond, maar ja dis hy
[19:55] <inetpro> according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3160257&postcount=3 desktop icon size can be set via nautilus
[19:55] <Kilos> Langjan, die inetpro het my al baie gehelp
[19:56] <inetpro> to change default size, in shell type nautilus access toolbar menu: <edit> <preferences> <views> and change to preferred size the <Default Zoom Level>
[19:56] <Langjan> shell?
[19:56] <Kilos> jy moet mooi verduidelik inetpro 
[19:56] <Kilos> terminal Langjan 
[19:56] <inetpro> Kilos: ek dink superfly en die crash kid het jou al meer gehelp
[19:56] <Langjan> my hare is al grys (die wat nog daar is)
[19:57] <Kilos> ons lag darem nog so als is goed
[19:57] <superfly> I don't know Gnome from a bar of soap these days, I wouldn't be any help
[19:58] <inetpro> Langjan: I'm not sure whether this will help but just try this
[19:58] <inetpro> press Alt+F2 to launch a new application
[19:58] <inetpro> type 'nautilus' without the quotes and press ENTER
[19:59] <Langjan> ok done
[19:59] <Langjan> what next?
[19:59] <inetpro> click on the Edit menu and select preferences
[20:00] <inetpro> and then views
[20:00] <inetpro> change the Default Zoom Level
[20:00] <Langjan> to?
[20:01] <Langjan> its at 100%
[20:01] <inetpro> just try something extreme just so you can see whether it has an affect
[20:02] <inetpro> I wonder where drubin is hiding these days
[20:02] <Kilos> yeah
[20:02] <inetpro> surely he knows how to help on GNOME
[20:02] <Kilos> hes a gnome guy
[20:02] <Kilos> and nuvolari 
[20:02] <inetpro> yep
[20:02] <Kilos> Langjan, you can make it 200%
[20:03]  * inetpro wonders what marco uses
[20:03] <Langjan> no visible effect at 200%
[20:03] <inetpro> or rather marcog
[20:03] <marcog> inetpro: me?
[20:03] <inetpro> marcog: yep you :-)
[20:03] <marcog> inetpro: what you referring to?
[20:03] <inetpro> do you use Ubuntu Gnome or KDE?
[20:04] <marcog> (/me has hilight on "marco")
[20:04] <Kilos> lol
[20:04] <marcog> inetpro: neither really
[20:04] <marcog> i use xmonad
[20:04] <inetpro> yikes
[20:04] <marcog> with a tiny bit of gnome
[20:04] <marcog> but you won't recognise the gnome bits
[20:05] <inetpro> ahh, if I remember correctly highvoltage may be using gnome
[20:05] <Kilos> ah
[20:05] <marcog> drubin also uses xmonad
[20:05] <inetpro> he's the real makhulu big guru
[20:05] <Kilos> lets hope this prob is not an easy one
[20:05] <inetpro> he can call the big guns anytime
[20:06] <Kilos> maybe hes asleep
[20:06] <Kilos> or inna lekker lurking mood
[20:06] <inetpro> Kilos: at least he won't sleep forever
[20:06] <Kilos> lol
[20:07] <inetpro> and Langjan will surely come back here for more support
[20:07] <inetpro> and then one day he will help the next newbie :-)
[20:07] <Kilos> he doesnt also have time on this pc i think
[20:07] <Kilos> yeah
[20:08] <Kilos> if you work it out logically
[20:09] <drubin> marcog: Only gnome stuff i use is the applications
[20:09] <Kilos> normally you set the font settings in system prefs appearance and then fonts
[20:09] <inetpro> time for a cup of 
[20:09] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[20:09]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[20:09] <inetpro> ahh, coffee....
[20:09] <drubin> and even then it is pretty much pidgin and firefox
[20:09] <Kilos> but they arent changing the panel fonts
[20:09] <Kilos> so what controls them settings
[20:09] <marcog> drubin: same
[20:10] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[20:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[20:10] <inetpro> eish
[20:10] <inetpro> drubin, marcog: gnome really dropped you lately?
[20:11] <marcog> inetpro: i like not having to use the mouse
[20:11] <marcog> also tiling is win
[20:11] <inetpro> marcog: sounds interesting, but I'll stick with KDE
[20:12]  * inetpro hates the mouse
[20:12] <marcog> it's a very drastic change, i won't lie
[20:12] <marcog> but i love it
[20:12]  * Kilos sobs
[20:12]  * Kilos loves my mouse
[20:13] <marcog> inetpro: do you use pentadactyl/vimperator?
[20:13] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[20:13] <Kilos> so who else uses gnome nowadays
[20:13] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[20:13] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[20:13] <Langjan> Guys, I am sure this screenshot of menus page will get you closer to the problem: http://img405.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img405/2999/screenshotegg.png
[20:13] <inetpro> marcog: thanks
[20:13] <inetpro> oops
[20:13] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[20:13] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[20:13] <Kilos> haha
[20:14] <Langjan> see how the lines are compressed to try to accommodate the small icons? 
[20:14] <drubin> inetpro: No just don't use that many gnome apps
[20:15] <inetpro> drubin: do you see the problem?
[20:17] <inetpro> Langjan: is that a generic problem on all applications?
[20:17] <inetpro> that screenshot appears to be just the menu editor
[20:17] <drubin> inetpro: I see the problem but have no idea how to fix it
[20:17] <inetpro> ok
[20:18] <Langjan> yes but it does the sme to all applications in the list
[20:18]  * Kilos wonders if it can be reported as a bug
[20:18] <Kilos> then half the world can have a look
[20:18] <inetpro> Kilos: just about anything can be reported as a bug
[20:19] <Kilos> so tell Langjan how to report it please
[20:20] <inetpro> Kilos: that reminds me, I have not been on launchpad for decades
[20:20] <inetpro> or it rather feels like decades
[20:20] <Kilos> i wonder if it not an upgrading problem up to natty
[20:21] <Kilos> my natty sets them fine
[20:21] <Langjan> well thats when it started with me 
[20:21] <inetpro> Langjan: what you could try is to create another username and login as that to test the default settings
[20:21] <Kilos> was it from 10.04 or 1010 Langjan 
[20:22] <Langjan> From 10.04 if I remember correctly
[20:22] <inetpro> and if it works out nicely you can clear all your settings in your profile and start as if you did a new install
[20:23] <Kilos> inetpro, explain how to do that login as another user please
[20:24] <Kilos> i tried that and it asked for the other guys password but there isnt another guy here
[20:24] <Kilos> so what would his password be
[20:24] <inetpro> Langjan: just like superfly I'm not a GNOME user so I don't know where to add users but I'm sure you should be able to find it easily
[20:24] <Langjan> I had the same hitch
[20:25] <Kilos> unless you go guest session
[20:25] <Langjan> Do I log out and start from there?
[20:25] <Kilos> dunno what you can do from there
[20:25] <Kilos> no 
[20:25] <Kilos> tick on your shutdown button and go guest session
[20:25] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't think we have guest sessions like you have in GNOME but maybe that could help
[20:26] <Kilos> i just dunno if the guest will be able to do much
[20:27] <inetpro> Kilos: that should not matter
[20:27] <Kilos> but its worth a try to see if those settings change the icons
[20:27] <Langjan> in guest session I have the other desktop arrangement ( wat noen julle dit?) AND the small icons...
[20:27] <Langjan> noem
[20:27] <Kilos> my
[20:27] <Kilos> what other arangement
[20:28] <Langjan> gnome and ...?
[20:28] <Kilos> anyway Langjan go system prefs appearance and see if they change to 14
[20:28] <Langjan> the icons are set up vertically on the left
[20:28] <Kilos> oh the new one unity
[20:28] <Langjan> thats it
[20:29] <Kilos> i didnt update natty yet so i still here on maverick
[20:29] <Kilos> are the system prefs things there
[20:30] <inetpro> hmm... that's where you loose me completely, I don't like the new unity and have not used it at all
[20:30] <inetpro> to much click, click, click needed for my liking
[20:32] <inetpro> Langjan: if you hold out until Monday I'm sure we can find someone who is very familiar with that environment
[20:33] <Kilos> or
[20:33] <Kilos> you can boot and choose to use the old ubuntu instead
[20:33] <Langjan> OK, none of those 5 settings have any effect on the icons in question
[20:33] <Kilos> or use the recovery mode for natty on boot
[20:34] <inetpro> Langjan: are you on 11.04 now?
[20:34] <Kilos> ok so its deep in natty then
[20:34] <Kilos> sigh
[20:34] <Langjan> i'll just live with it until the boffins find a solution 
[20:35] <Langjan> Its my wifes machine thats on 11.04
[20:36] <Langjan> she's the guinea pig
[20:36] <Kilos> lol
[20:36] <inetpro> cool
[20:37] <Langjan> she only uses thunderbird and facebook
[20:37] <Kilos> Langjan, try report the problem by launchpad.net i think it is
[20:37] <Kilos> inetpro, what the link to register with launchpad and report probs
[20:37] <Langjan> OK I have been to launchpad
[20:37] <Kilos> i used to get lost there
[20:37] <inetpro> Langjan: or what you could do is to ask the big guns in the big channel at #ubuntu
[20:38] <Kilos> lol
[20:38] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/
[20:38] <Kilos> that will keep you going
[20:38] <Langjan> glad you found your way back
[20:38] <Langjan> thaanks inetro, I'm registered there
[20:38] <Kilos> whew that was hard work that trying to get help there
[20:39] <Langjan> dankie kilos, nou kan jy gaan slaap
[20:39] <Langjan> tyd vir bed vir oumense
[20:39] <inetpro> Langjan: you could also try the ubuntu-za mailing list
[20:39] <Kilos> try report it there as well jan but explain that you upgraded and now got this prob and the normal settings dont work
[20:40] <Langjan> ok thanks will do, maybe tomorrow...
[20:40] <Kilos> ya maybe lee knows
[20:40] <Kilos> ok Langjan jammer ons het nie gewen nie
[20:40] <inetpro> guess we all need some sleep
[20:40] <inetpro> good night
[20:40] <Kilos> maar hou moed
[20:40] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[20:41] <Langjan> could it be a monitor setting? 
[20:41] <inetpro> Langjan: I doubt
[20:41] <Kilos> where are they
[20:41] <Kilos> oh you mean the screen
[20:41] <Langjan> why are my 14 settings there smaller than the 10's on my system?  
[20:42] <Langjan> yes the screen resolution
[20:42] <inetpro> Langjan: you could always answer that for yourself by trying the same monitor on your machine
[20:42] <Kilos> experiment Langjan but write down what they were so you can go back again
[20:43] <Langjan> I know  how to get to screen resolution in windows but not here...
[20:44] <Langjan> ok got it
[20:47] <Langjan> OK I think that's it, now the icons are right and all the rest which I can adjust are huge
[20:47] <Kilos> yay
[20:47] <Kilos> well done
[20:47] <Kilos> and the pc is up to date
[20:48] <highvoltage> inetpro: I do indeed
[20:48] <Langjan> you guys helped a lot, its the only option still available but just requires some lateral thinking which you guided me to, many thanks
[20:48] <inetpro> highvoltage: wb
[20:48] <highvoltage> (although I use gnome fallback not shell)
[20:49] <Langjan> wb?
[20:49] <Kilos> we all learned something too ;lan
[20:49] <Kilos> welcome back
[20:49] <inetpro> Maaz: wb
[20:49] <Maaz> Thank you so much inetpro my good good friend
[20:49] <inetpro> :-)
[20:49] <Kilos> lol
[20:49] <inetpro> Langjan: wb = welcome back
[20:50] <Langjan> I had a similr problem with my virtualbox until I adjusted the screen resn to get the right size
[20:50] <Langjan> slaap lekker al die flukse helpers
[20:50] <Kilos> Langjan, eks bly jy het dit nou reg. nou kan ek lekker slaap
[20:50] <highvoltage> lekker slaap Langjan 
[20:50] <Kilos> jy ook oom
[20:50] <Kilos> lmga
[20:50] <inetpro> Langjan: lekker slaap
[20:50] <Kilos> night all
[20:51] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[20:51] <Kilos> dankie inetpro 
[20:51] <inetpro> highvoltage: so is there still hope for unity?
[20:51]  * inetpro has not been following ubuntu development very closely lately
[20:52] <inetpro> bye Kilos
[20:53] <Langjan> Hey I'm really chaffed, kilos and the team, have set all my fonts back to normal and now the display is PERFECT.
[20:57] <inetpro> Langjan: congrats, in the end you did it yourself
[20:57] <inetpro> well done
[20:58] <highvoltage> inetpro: yep, it's slowly but surely getting better. I'll probably use it when it eventually gets there
[20:58] <inetpro> cool
[21:24] <Langjan> Hi nlsthzn, did you see the solution you guys led me to? A simple screen resolution setting...many thanks for your help amidst your tight schedule
[21:25] <nlsthzn> Langjan: serious... I think I mentioned that on the channel but I couldn't believe it would be that simple :D
[21:26] <nlsthzn> Langjan: Well I am glad it is working now like you want it... that is all that matters in the end... hope your wife enjoys Natty (now you should log out and log back in and choose Unity as your log in option...) That should be fun :D
[21:29] <Langjan> nlsthzn, I had 11.04 with unity, it frustrated me, but in the end it was the new document foundation that made me revert to 10.10. 
[21:29] <nlsthzn> I guess Unity isn't for everyone :)
[21:32] <Langjan> Perhaps its a matter of getting used to. Back to the icons, have a look, aint it pretty? http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7822/screenshot1xr.png
[21:33] <nlsthzn> Langjan: well, they are bigger... now you need to choose a better font... that is one ugly looking Ubuntu :D
[21:34] <nlsthzn> Langjan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/59930315@N03/sets/72157626124571449/ some of my screen shots over the last few months
[21:37] <Langjan> Thanks will do
[21:38] <nlsthzn> Langjan: sorry... didn't mean font... I meant theme :)