| IG-garage | What metapackage installs whole ubuntustudio into usual ubuntu? | 04:04 |
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| holstein | IG-garage: hey | 04:04 |
| holstein | theres not just one | 04:04 |
| holstein | check out | 04:04 |
| IG-garage | uh? | 04:04 |
| holstein | !vanilla | 04:04 |
| ubottu | To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 04:04 |
| IG-garage | thanks | 04:04 |
| holstein | i usually install | 04:04 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins | 04:04 |
| holstein | if you fire up any pacakge manager or run apt-cache search ubuntustudio you can read about the metas :) | 04:05 |
| IG-garage | i have linux mint, 1.1 GB of DEB-files for it, now and these applications | 04:05 |
| holstein | IG-garage: your adding the metas to mint? | 04:06 |
| holstein | let me know how that goes | 04:06 |
| holstein | which mint? | 04:06 |
| IG-garage | earlier, there was one metapackage which installed all of these packages | 04:06 |
| holstein | the 11.04 based one? | 04:06 |
| IG-garage | Linux Mint 11 GNOME | 04:06 |
| holstein | IG-garage: nah, theres always been seperate ones | 04:06 |
| IG-garage | holstein: yeah | 04:06 |
| holstein | IG-garage: you dont need the metas anyways | 04:06 |
| holstein | its just a collection of packages | 04:06 |
| IG-garage | holstein: maybe, but couple of years ago someone has told about it once | 04:07 |
| holstein | i would *not* use the themeing ones | 04:07 |
| IG-garage | why? | 04:07 |
| holstein | IG-garage: you'll need to produce that command for me to believe it | 04:07 |
| holstein | at that vanilla link, you can see how far back that goes chronologially | 04:07 |
| holstein | its been like that as long as i remember | 04:07 |
| IG-garage | no, i have installed them separately, as is written at, for example, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UpgradingFromHardy | 04:08 |
| holstein | IG-garage: i would not want to use the ubuntustudio theme-ing on top of mint just in case | 04:08 |
| IG-garage | why? | 04:08 |
| IG-garage | i have a lot of themes installed as well, even Ubuntu | 04:08 |
| holstein | IG-garage: go for it then :) | 04:09 |
| holstein | dont mind me... | 04:09 |
| IG-garage | here i go | 04:12 |
| stephenim | <stephenim> hi i ran this http://paste.ubuntu.com/654962/ and got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/654962/ | 07:31 |
| stephenim | anyone please im desperate | 07:39 |
| simon_ | Hello! I'm trying to set up my new soundcard, a QuataFire 610. I've installed Ubuntu Studio but when I try to start the JACK audio server I get an error : "firewire ERR: Could not start streaming threads: -1 DRIVER NT: could not start driver cannot start driver" And then :"cannot continue execution of the processing graph (Broken pipe)". Does somebody know what the problem might be? | 13:59 |
| holstein | simon_: hey | 14:09 |
| holstein | if i were you, i would *temporarily* issue JACK as root | 14:09 |
| holstein | sudo qjackctl | 14:09 |
| simon_ | ok | 14:09 |
| simon_ | ill try that thanks | 14:09 |
| holstein | see if you can get JACK communicating with your device... you'll want the firewire driver | 14:09 |
| holstein | BUT, you can also try the freebob driver if it is still present on your system | 14:10 |
| simon_ | i tried opening jack like you said but it gives the same result | 14:11 |
| holstein | ok... | 14:11 |
| simon_ | how do I try the freebob driver, do I just choose it in jack setup? | 14:11 |
| holstein | have you done any invasive trouble shooting steps so far? | 14:11 |
| holstein | simon_: you see the 'driver' section in the setup... freebob may not be there any more though | 14:12 |
| simon_ | its still there | 14:12 |
| simon_ | but when I try to run it he says "jackd:unknown driver 'freebob'" | 14:13 |
| holstein | this doesnt look very promising | 14:13 |
| holstein | http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/9 | 14:13 |
| simon_ | Well it sais full support right | 14:14 |
| holstein | the reason i suggest running as root is that this will take permissions errors out of the equation | 14:14 |
| holstein | sure... and then there are errors... but... we'll see | 14:14 |
| holstein | personally, i would go to the hardware | 14:15 |
| holstein | i would see what port you have it in | 14:15 |
| holstein | what firewire controller? | 14:15 |
| holstein | is this the only firewire controller? | 14:15 |
| simon_ | 05:02.4 FireWire (IEEE 1394): ALi Corporation M5253 P1394 OHCI 1.1 Controller | 14:15 |
| holstein | do you have another machine with firewire you can test on? | 14:15 |
| simon_ | Yeah maybe I can check that | 14:16 |
| holstein | you can use the gnuguitarinux live CD to test | 14:16 |
| holstein | http://gnuguitarinux.sourceforge.net/ | 14:16 |
| simon_ | ok | 14:16 |
| simon_ | thanks | 14:16 |
| holstein | its small-ish and not unlike buntu | 14:16 |
| simon_ | but the strange thing is, the first time I ran JACK it worked and I managed to open ardour | 14:16 |
| simon_ | but when I restarted the computer and tried to run it again it didnt | 14:17 |
| holstein | simon_: are you sure it was with the proper driver? | 14:17 |
| holstein | maybe that was with the internal card accidentally | 14:17 |
| simon_ | With the internal soundcard? | 14:17 |
| holstein | right | 14:17 |
| simon_ | Yeah maybe I don't know that | 14:18 |
| holstein | im proposing that you were *not* using the FW device accidentally | 14:18 |
| holstein | maybe not... | 14:18 |
| holstein | simon_: i can say, getting it working is totally worth it :) | 14:19 |
| holstein | you'll want to get a texas instruments controller | 14:19 |
| holstein | ive had decent luck with a via controller too | 14:19 |
| simon_ | Do you think it might be the firewire card? | 14:20 |
| holstein | sure... running as root pretty much takes permissions out of the equation | 14:20 |
| holstein | assuming the other software is basically in out-ot-the-box condition | 14:21 |
| holstein | that leaves hardware | 14:21 |
| holstein | if you have other machines though, they likely have different controllers, and you can test live | 14:21 |
| simon_ | ok ill try that | 14:22 |
| simon_ | thank you for the help! | 14:22 |
| holstein | simon_: i usually set JACK to 512 frames/period and 3 periods/buffer for testing | 14:22 |
| holstein | simon_: if you want to take a screenshot of your jack setup window, i'll give it a look | 14:22 |
| simon_ | yeah sure, thanks | 14:26 |
| simon_ | can i upload a picture to this server or how do i send it to you? | 14:27 |
| holstein | i use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add | 14:27 |
| simon_ | http://imagebin.org/165675 | 14:28 |
| holstein | i would put priority back to default | 14:29 |
| holstein | you can try unchecking the realtime box | 14:29 |
| holstein | but ideally that would be checked as it is | 14:30 |
| holstein | set frames/period up to 512 or 1024 til you get it running stable | 14:30 |
| holstein | then, you can start working down in latency if you need | 14:30 |
| holstein | under 'interface', default is probably what you want, but | 14:31 |
| holstein | you see the 2 arrows | 14:31 |
| simon_ | yeah | 14:31 |
| holstein | one going V and the other going > | 14:31 |
| holstein | look under there and see if you happen to see that device listed | 14:31 |
| holstein | thats usually more for USB devices for some reason... | 14:32 |
| simon_ | Theres hw:0 and plughw:0 and /dev/audio and /dev/dsp | 14:32 |
| simon_ | I don't if any of that is my device | 14:33 |
| holstein | simon_: you can try those are root if you want, but default should be the one | 14:33 |
| holstein | it could be something like the firewire stack, ffado version... kernel... who knows | 14:33 |
| holstein | when i was troubleshooting the presonus firepod, i tried a bunch of live CD's as well as ubuntu | 14:34 |
| holstein | used to be a certain older stack i would need to force to get it running | 14:34 |
| holstein | now, with the ffado driver, its pretty much out of the box :) | 14:35 |
| simon_ | thats nice | 14:35 |
| simon_ | too bad it doesnt work for me | 14:35 |
| simon_ | but maybe youre right and its the hardware | 14:35 |
| simon_ | It's kind of annoying though because I bought this pci firewire card just today only for this reason | 14:36 |
| holstein | well, i wouldnt rule out hardware | 14:37 |
| holstein | i also would try the old 64studio 2.x live CD | 14:37 |
| holstein | and the gnuguitarinux... maybe puredyne | 14:37 |
| simon_ | But do they have different drivers, or what is the difference? | 14:38 |
| holstein | you just want to see it working, then you can poke around and make note of the kernel verion, and firewire versions | 14:38 |
| holstein | simon_: mostly the revisions | 14:38 |
| simon_ | Ok Thank you for your help, ill try the things you mentioned | 14:56 |
| holstein | simon_: good lucke | 14:56 |
| orngjce223 | . | 15:45 |
| holstein | .. | 16:35 |
| stephenthemartyr | is it possible to add this 2.6.39.1 IRQ kernelto studio? | 18:31 |
| stephenthemartyr | can i get ubuntustudio to work for more than a week? | 18:41 |
| stephenthemartyr | hahaha how about 3 days? | 18:59 |
| aaas | I'm getting an error at "Select and install software" with the newest 11.04..could this be my usb stick or is this a known problem | 20:46 |
| aaas | if i install regular ubuntu and run 'sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop' is this equivalent to installing ubuntu studio? Do I lose out on any customizations or custom kernel modules? | 20:52 |
| holstein | aaas: you dont need -desktop | 21:07 |
| holstein | that just deals with themeing | 21:07 |
| holstein | basically, ubuntu = ubuntustudio | 21:07 |
| holstein | you can search in a package manager or apt-cache search ubuntustudio and read about the meta packages | 21:07 |
| holstein | i usually get ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins | 21:07 |
| holstein | theres no reasong to get -desktop if you like the way your system looks and feels | 21:08 |
| holstein | you dont need any of the meta pacakges really | 21:08 |
| holstein | you can just install what you want/need | 21:08 |
| holstein | jack, ardour, rosegarden... whatever | 21:08 |
| holstein | you can read up on the process at | 21:09 |
| holstein | !vanilla | aaas | 21:09 |
| ubottu | aaas: To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 21:09 |
| aaas | so ubuntu studio doesn't use any custom kernels, drivers, or anything like that | 21:14 |
| holstein | no | 21:14 |
| holstein | its all about configuration | 21:14 |
| holstein | the changes are subtle, and all the packages are in the normal ubuntu repos | 21:14 |
| aaas | so the only benefit of installing ubuntustudio from the install is if you want everything? | 21:14 |
| holstein | well, they look different | 21:14 |
| holstein | out of the box, you get different looks and feels | 21:15 |
| aaas | different backgrounds? | 21:15 |
| holstein | and there were other differences like the network manager that was *not* with ubuntustudio | 21:15 |
| aaas | they both use unity | 21:15 |
| aaas | right? | 21:15 |
| holstein | aaas: more than just background | 21:15 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio does *not* have unity | 21:15 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio-dekstop is gnome | 21:15 |
| holstein | and it will be XFCE next cycle | 21:16 |
| holstein | thats why i say, read about the meta pacakges | 21:16 |
| aaas | ok | 21:16 |
| holstein | theres literally no need to install -desktop unless you just want the look/feel | 21:16 |
| holstein | which is actually quite nice | 21:16 |
| holstein | and is being revamped for XFCE/11.10 | 21:16 |
| holstein | kernel is the same | 21:17 |
| holstein | core packages are going to be very similar | 21:17 |
| aaas | well i couldn't get it to install from the dvd anyways..so looks like ill just install ubuntu and then customize | 21:17 |
| holstein | the 10.04 installer should work | 21:18 |
| holstein | personally, i consider non LTS releases 'testing' releases | 21:18 |
| holstein | but, you wont have any problems with 11.04 | 21:18 |
| holstein | other than normal config issues | 21:18 |
| aaas | well i got an error during the 'select and install software' stage | 21:18 |
| aaas | but it might have been a bad usb stick | 21:19 |
| holstein | aaas: i have seen that | 21:19 |
| holstein | i usually dont select there | 21:19 |
| holstein | i usually just add afterwards | 21:19 |
| aaas | i tried to skip but it wouldn't boot | 21:19 |
| holstein | or make ubuntu studio out of ubuntu | 21:19 |
| aaas | but no matter im just going to install ubuntu and then add studio packages | 21:19 |
| holstein | yeah, that'll be fine | 21:20 |
| holstein | could have been a bad download image | 21:20 |
| holstein | who knows | 21:20 |
| holstein | i had that issue with the 10.04, and 10.10 installers | 21:20 |
| holstein | others didnt | 21:20 |
| * holstein shrugs | 21:20 | |
| aaas | i cant beleive how sensitive these installs are to dvd/usb/image defects | 21:21 |
| aaas | its crazy the number of times it happens with all the error checking | 21:21 |
| holstein | hopefully we will have a live installer by 12.04 | 21:22 |
| holstein | then, things will 'just work' in theory | 21:22 |
| holstein | and you can test JACK or whatever... | 21:22 |
| holstein | anyways... gotta run... good luck | 21:22 |
| holstein | you are over in #opensourcemusicians right? | 21:22 |
| aaas | yes i think many people want that...that will really encourage adoption | 21:22 |
| holstein | it can be slow over here... BBL | 21:22 |
| aaas | i was...had to rip out a hard drive to put into this computer to install ubuntu to try jack/ardor so my gf can use it | 21:23 |
| aaas | is there anyway to use jack/adour/ubuntu studio remotely? as in a headless comptuer controled by a laptop using something like nx? | 22:52 |
| aaas | i'm using nx and it is trying to use the laptop as another sound card | 22:52 |
| orngjce223 | Ask #opensourcemusicans ? they know more than I do on the topic of weird use cases | 23:07 |
| aaas | thanks | 23:09 |
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