[04:04] <IG-garage> What metapackage installs whole ubuntustudio into usual ubuntu?
[04:04] <holstein> IG-garage: hey
[04:04] <holstein> theres not just one
[04:04] <holstein> check out
[04:04] <IG-garage> uh?
[04:04] <holstein> !vanilla
[04:04] <IG-garage> thanks
[04:04] <holstein> i usually install
[04:04] <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[04:05] <holstein> if you fire up any pacakge manager or run apt-cache search ubuntustudio you can read about the metas :)
[04:05] <IG-garage> i have linux mint, 1.1 GB of DEB-files for it, now and these applications
[04:06] <holstein> IG-garage: your adding the metas to mint?
[04:06] <holstein> let me know how that goes
[04:06] <holstein> which mint?
[04:06] <IG-garage> earlier, there was one metapackage which installed all of these packages
[04:06] <holstein> the 11.04 based one?
[04:06] <IG-garage> Linux Mint 11 GNOME
[04:06] <holstein> IG-garage: nah, theres always been seperate ones
[04:06] <IG-garage> holstein: yeah
[04:06] <holstein> IG-garage: you dont need the metas anyways
[04:06] <holstein> its just a collection of packages
[04:07] <IG-garage> holstein: maybe, but couple of years ago someone has told about it once
[04:07] <holstein> i would *not* use the themeing ones
[04:07] <IG-garage> why?
[04:07] <holstein> IG-garage: you'll need to produce that command for me to believe it
[04:07] <holstein> at that vanilla link, you can see how far back that goes chronologially
[04:07] <holstein> its been like that as long as i remember
[04:08] <IG-garage> no, i have installed them separately, as is written at, for example, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UpgradingFromHardy
[04:08] <holstein> IG-garage: i would not want to use the ubuntustudio theme-ing on top of mint just in case
[04:08] <IG-garage> why?
[04:08] <IG-garage> i have a lot of themes installed as well, even Ubuntu
[04:09] <holstein> IG-garage: go for it then :)
[04:09] <holstein> dont mind me...
[04:12] <IG-garage> here i go
 hi i ran this http://paste.ubuntu.com/654962/ and got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/654962/
[07:39] <stephenim> anyone please im desperate
[13:59] <simon_>  Hello! I'm trying to set up my new soundcard, a QuataFire 610. I've installed Ubuntu Studio but when I try to start the JACK audio server I get an error : "firewire ERR: Could not start streaming threads: -1 DRIVER NT: could not start driver cannot start driver" And then :"cannot continue execution of the processing graph (Broken pipe)". Does somebody know what the problem might be?
[14:09] <holstein> simon_: hey
[14:09] <holstein> if i were you, i would *temporarily* issue JACK as root
[14:09] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[14:09] <simon_> ok
[14:09] <simon_> ill try that thanks
[14:09] <holstein> see if you can get JACK communicating with your device... you'll want the firewire driver
[14:10] <holstein> BUT, you can also try the freebob driver if it is still present on your system
[14:11] <simon_> i tried opening jack like you said but it gives the same result
[14:11] <holstein> ok...
[14:11] <simon_> how do I try the freebob driver, do I just choose it in jack setup?
[14:11] <holstein> have you done any invasive trouble shooting steps so far?
[14:12] <holstein> simon_: you see the 'driver' section in the setup... freebob may not be there any more though
[14:12] <simon_> its still there
[14:13] <simon_> but when I try to run it he says "jackd:unknown driver 'freebob'"
[14:13] <holstein> this doesnt look very promising
[14:13] <holstein> http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/9
[14:14] <simon_> Well it sais full support right
[14:14] <holstein> the reason i suggest running as root is that this will take permissions errors out of the equation
[14:14] <holstein> sure... and then there are errors... but... we'll see
[14:15] <holstein> personally, i would go to the hardware
[14:15] <holstein> i would see what port you have it in
[14:15] <holstein> what firewire controller?
[14:15] <holstein> is this the only firewire controller?
[14:15] <simon_> 05:02.4 FireWire (IEEE 1394): ALi Corporation M5253 P1394 OHCI 1.1 Controller
[14:15] <holstein> do you have another machine with firewire you can test on?
[14:16] <simon_> Yeah maybe I can check that
[14:16] <holstein> you can use the gnuguitarinux live CD to test
[14:16] <holstein> http://gnuguitarinux.sourceforge.net/
[14:16] <simon_> ok
[14:16] <simon_> thanks
[14:16] <holstein> its small-ish and not unlike buntu
[14:16] <simon_> but the strange thing is, the first time I ran JACK it worked and I managed to open ardour
[14:17] <simon_> but when I restarted the computer and tried to run it again it didnt
[14:17] <holstein> simon_: are you sure it was with the proper driver?
[14:17] <holstein> maybe that was with the internal card accidentally
[14:17] <simon_> With the internal soundcard?
[14:17] <holstein> right
[14:18] <simon_> Yeah maybe I don't know that
[14:18] <holstein> im proposing that you were *not* using the FW device accidentally
[14:18] <holstein> maybe not...
[14:19] <holstein> simon_: i can say, getting it working is totally worth it :)
[14:19] <holstein> you'll want to get a texas instruments controller
[14:19] <holstein> ive had decent luck with a via controller too
[14:20] <simon_> Do you think it might be the firewire card?
[14:20] <holstein> sure... running as root pretty much takes permissions out of the equation
[14:21] <holstein> assuming the other software is basically in out-ot-the-box condition
[14:21] <holstein> that leaves hardware
[14:21] <holstein> if you have other machines though, they likely have different controllers, and you can test live
[14:22] <simon_> ok ill try that
[14:22] <simon_> thank you for the help!
[14:22] <holstein> simon_: i usually set JACK to 512 frames/period and 3 periods/buffer for testing
[14:22] <holstein> simon_: if you want to take a screenshot of your jack setup window, i'll give it a look
[14:26] <simon_> yeah sure, thanks
[14:27] <simon_> can i upload a picture to this server or how do i send it to you?
[14:27] <holstein> i use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[14:28] <simon_> http://imagebin.org/165675
[14:29] <holstein> i would put priority back to default
[14:29] <holstein> you can try unchecking the realtime box
[14:30] <holstein> but ideally that would be checked as it is
[14:30] <holstein> set frames/period up to 512 or 1024 til you get it running stable
[14:30] <holstein> then, you can start working down in latency if you need
[14:31] <holstein> under 'interface', default is probably what you want, but
[14:31] <holstein> you see the 2 arrows
[14:31] <simon_> yeah
[14:31] <holstein> one going V and the other going >
[14:31] <holstein> look under there and see if you happen to see that device listed
[14:32] <holstein> thats usually more for USB devices for some reason...
[14:32] <simon_> Theres hw:0 and plughw:0 and /dev/audio and /dev/dsp
[14:33] <simon_> I don't if any of that is my device
[14:33] <holstein> simon_: you can try those are root if you want, but default should be the one
[14:33] <holstein> it could be something like the firewire stack, ffado version... kernel... who knows
[14:34] <holstein> when i was troubleshooting the presonus firepod, i tried a bunch of live CD's as well as ubuntu
[14:34] <holstein> used to be a certain older stack i would need to force to get it running
[14:35] <holstein> now, with the ffado driver, its pretty much out of the box :)
[14:35] <simon_> thats nice
[14:35] <simon_> too bad it doesnt work for me
[14:35] <simon_> but maybe youre right and its the hardware
[14:36] <simon_> It's kind of annoying though because I bought this pci firewire card just today only for this reason
[14:37] <holstein> well, i wouldnt rule out hardware
[14:37] <holstein> i also would try the old 64studio 2.x live CD
[14:37] <holstein> and the gnuguitarinux... maybe puredyne
[14:38] <simon_> But do they have different drivers, or what is the difference?
[14:38] <holstein> you just want to see it working, then you can poke around and make note of the kernel verion, and firewire versions
[14:38] <holstein> simon_: mostly the revisions
[14:56] <simon_> Ok Thank you for your help, ill try the things you mentioned
[14:56] <holstein> simon_: good lucke
[15:45] <orngjce223> .
[16:35] <holstein> ..
[18:31] <stephenthemartyr> is it possible to add this  2.6.39.1 IRQ kernelto studio?
[18:41] <stephenthemartyr> can i get ubuntustudio to work for more than a week?
[18:59] <stephenthemartyr> hahaha how about 3 days?
[20:46] <aaas> I'm getting an error at "Select and install software" with the newest 11.04..could this be my usb stick or is this a known problem
[20:52] <aaas> if i install regular ubuntu and run 'sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop' is this equivalent to installing ubuntu studio?  Do I lose out on any customizations or custom kernel modules?
[21:07] <holstein> aaas: you dont need -desktop
[21:07] <holstein> that just deals with themeing
[21:07] <holstein> basically, ubuntu = ubuntustudio
[21:07] <holstein> you can search in a package manager or apt-cache search ubuntustudio and read about the meta packages
[21:07] <holstein> i usually get ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[21:08] <holstein> theres no reasong to get -desktop if you like the way your system looks and feels
[21:08] <holstein> you dont need any of the meta pacakges really
[21:08] <holstein> you can just install what you want/need
[21:08] <holstein> jack, ardour, rosegarden... whatever
[21:09] <holstein> you can read up on the process at
[21:09] <holstein> !vanilla | aaas
[21:14] <aaas> so ubuntu studio doesn't use any custom kernels, drivers, or anything like that
[21:14] <holstein> no
[21:14] <holstein> its all about configuration
[21:14] <holstein> the changes are subtle, and all the packages are in the normal ubuntu repos
[21:14] <aaas> so the only benefit of installing ubuntustudio from the install is if you want everything?
[21:14] <holstein> well, they look different
[21:15] <holstein> out of the box, you get different looks and feels
[21:15] <aaas> different backgrounds?
[21:15] <holstein> and there were other differences like the network manager that was *not* with ubuntustudio
[21:15] <aaas> they both use unity
[21:15] <aaas> right?
[21:15] <holstein> aaas: more than just background
[21:15] <holstein> ubuntustudio does *not* have unity
[21:15] <holstein> ubuntustudio-dekstop is gnome
[21:16] <holstein> and it will be XFCE next cycle
[21:16] <holstein> thats why i say, read about the meta pacakges
[21:16] <aaas> ok
[21:16] <holstein> theres literally no need to install -desktop unless you just want the look/feel
[21:16] <holstein> which is actually quite nice
[21:16] <holstein> and is being revamped for XFCE/11.10
[21:17] <holstein> kernel is the same
[21:17] <holstein> core packages are going to be very similar
[21:17] <aaas> well i couldn't get it to install from the dvd anyways..so looks like ill just install ubuntu and then customize
[21:18] <holstein> the 10.04 installer should work
[21:18] <holstein> personally, i consider non LTS releases 'testing' releases
[21:18] <holstein> but, you wont have any problems with 11.04
[21:18] <holstein> other than normal config issues
[21:18] <aaas> well i got an error during the 'select and install software' stage
[21:19] <aaas> but it might have been a bad usb stick
[21:19] <holstein> aaas: i have seen that
[21:19] <holstein> i usually dont select there
[21:19] <holstein> i usually just add afterwards
[21:19] <aaas> i tried to skip but it wouldn't boot
[21:19] <holstein> or make ubuntu studio out of ubuntu
[21:19] <aaas> but no matter im just going to install ubuntu and then add studio packages
[21:20] <holstein> yeah, that'll be fine
[21:20] <holstein> could have been a bad download image
[21:20] <holstein> who knows
[21:20] <holstein> i had that issue with the 10.04, and 10.10 installers
[21:20] <holstein> others didnt
[21:20]  * holstein shrugs
[21:21] <aaas> i cant beleive how sensitive these installs are to dvd/usb/image defects
[21:21] <aaas> its crazy the number of times it happens with all the error checking
[21:22] <holstein> hopefully we will have a live installer by 12.04
[21:22] <holstein> then, things will 'just work' in theory
[21:22] <holstein> and you can test JACK or whatever...
[21:22] <holstein> anyways... gotta run... good luck
[21:22] <holstein> you are over in #opensourcemusicians right?
[21:22] <aaas> yes i think many people want that...that will really encourage adoption
[21:22] <holstein> it can be slow over here... BBL
[21:23] <aaas> i was...had to rip out a hard drive to put into this computer to install ubuntu to try jack/ardor so my gf can use it
[22:52] <aaas> is there anyway to use jack/adour/ubuntu studio remotely? as in a headless comptuer controled by a laptop using something like nx?
[22:52] <aaas> i'm using nx and it is trying to use the laptop as another sound card
[23:07] <orngjce223> Ask #opensourcemusicans ? they know more than I do on the topic of weird use cases
[23:09] <aaas> thanks