[04:04] What metapackage installs whole ubuntustudio into usual ubuntu? [04:04] IG-garage: hey [04:04] theres not just one [04:04] check out [04:04] uh? [04:04] !vanilla [04:04] To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation [04:04] thanks [04:04] i usually install [04:04] ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins [04:05] if you fire up any pacakge manager or run apt-cache search ubuntustudio you can read about the metas :) [04:05] i have linux mint, 1.1 GB of DEB-files for it, now and these applications [04:06] IG-garage: your adding the metas to mint? [04:06] let me know how that goes [04:06] which mint? [04:06] earlier, there was one metapackage which installed all of these packages [04:06] the 11.04 based one? [04:06] Linux Mint 11 GNOME [04:06] IG-garage: nah, theres always been seperate ones [04:06] holstein: yeah [04:06] IG-garage: you dont need the metas anyways [04:06] its just a collection of packages [04:07] holstein: maybe, but couple of years ago someone has told about it once [04:07] i would *not* use the themeing ones [04:07] why? [04:07] IG-garage: you'll need to produce that command for me to believe it [04:07] at that vanilla link, you can see how far back that goes chronologially [04:07] its been like that as long as i remember [04:08] no, i have installed them separately, as is written at, for example, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UpgradingFromHardy [04:08] IG-garage: i would not want to use the ubuntustudio theme-ing on top of mint just in case [04:08] why? [04:08] i have a lot of themes installed as well, even Ubuntu [04:09] IG-garage: go for it then :) [04:09] dont mind me... [04:12] here i go [07:31] hi i ran this http://paste.ubuntu.com/654962/ and got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/654962/ [07:39] anyone please im desperate [13:59] Hello! I'm trying to set up my new soundcard, a QuataFire 610. I've installed Ubuntu Studio but when I try to start the JACK audio server I get an error : "firewire ERR: Could not start streaming threads: -1 DRIVER NT: could not start driver cannot start driver" And then :"cannot continue execution of the processing graph (Broken pipe)". Does somebody know what the problem might be? [14:09] simon_: hey [14:09] if i were you, i would *temporarily* issue JACK as root [14:09] sudo qjackctl [14:09] ok [14:09] ill try that thanks [14:09] see if you can get JACK communicating with your device... you'll want the firewire driver [14:10] BUT, you can also try the freebob driver if it is still present on your system [14:11] i tried opening jack like you said but it gives the same result [14:11] ok... [14:11] how do I try the freebob driver, do I just choose it in jack setup? [14:11] have you done any invasive trouble shooting steps so far? [14:12] simon_: you see the 'driver' section in the setup... freebob may not be there any more though [14:12] its still there [14:13] but when I try to run it he says "jackd:unknown driver 'freebob'" [14:13] this doesnt look very promising [14:13] http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/9 [14:14] Well it sais full support right [14:14] the reason i suggest running as root is that this will take permissions errors out of the equation [14:14] sure... and then there are errors... but... we'll see [14:15] personally, i would go to the hardware [14:15] i would see what port you have it in [14:15] what firewire controller? [14:15] is this the only firewire controller? [14:15] 05:02.4 FireWire (IEEE 1394): ALi Corporation M5253 P1394 OHCI 1.1 Controller [14:15] do you have another machine with firewire you can test on? [14:16] Yeah maybe I can check that [14:16] you can use the gnuguitarinux live CD to test [14:16] http://gnuguitarinux.sourceforge.net/ [14:16] ok [14:16] thanks [14:16] its small-ish and not unlike buntu [14:16] but the strange thing is, the first time I ran JACK it worked and I managed to open ardour [14:17] but when I restarted the computer and tried to run it again it didnt [14:17] simon_: are you sure it was with the proper driver? [14:17] maybe that was with the internal card accidentally [14:17] With the internal soundcard? [14:17] right [14:18] Yeah maybe I don't know that [14:18] im proposing that you were *not* using the FW device accidentally [14:18] maybe not... [14:19] simon_: i can say, getting it working is totally worth it :) [14:19] you'll want to get a texas instruments controller [14:19] ive had decent luck with a via controller too [14:20] Do you think it might be the firewire card? [14:20] sure... running as root pretty much takes permissions out of the equation [14:21] assuming the other software is basically in out-ot-the-box condition [14:21] that leaves hardware [14:21] if you have other machines though, they likely have different controllers, and you can test live [14:22] ok ill try that [14:22] thank you for the help! [14:22] simon_: i usually set JACK to 512 frames/period and 3 periods/buffer for testing [14:22] simon_: if you want to take a screenshot of your jack setup window, i'll give it a look [14:26] yeah sure, thanks [14:27] can i upload a picture to this server or how do i send it to you? [14:27] i use http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add [14:28] http://imagebin.org/165675 [14:29] i would put priority back to default [14:29] you can try unchecking the realtime box [14:30] but ideally that would be checked as it is [14:30] set frames/period up to 512 or 1024 til you get it running stable [14:30] then, you can start working down in latency if you need [14:31] under 'interface', default is probably what you want, but [14:31] you see the 2 arrows [14:31] yeah [14:31] one going V and the other going > [14:31] look under there and see if you happen to see that device listed [14:32] thats usually more for USB devices for some reason... [14:32] Theres hw:0 and plughw:0 and /dev/audio and /dev/dsp [14:33] I don't if any of that is my device [14:33] simon_: you can try those are root if you want, but default should be the one [14:33] it could be something like the firewire stack, ffado version... kernel... who knows [14:34] when i was troubleshooting the presonus firepod, i tried a bunch of live CD's as well as ubuntu [14:34] used to be a certain older stack i would need to force to get it running [14:35] now, with the ffado driver, its pretty much out of the box :) [14:35] thats nice [14:35] too bad it doesnt work for me [14:35] but maybe youre right and its the hardware [14:36] It's kind of annoying though because I bought this pci firewire card just today only for this reason [14:37] well, i wouldnt rule out hardware [14:37] i also would try the old 64studio 2.x live CD [14:37] and the gnuguitarinux... maybe puredyne [14:38] But do they have different drivers, or what is the difference? [14:38] you just want to see it working, then you can poke around and make note of the kernel verion, and firewire versions [14:38] simon_: mostly the revisions [14:56] Ok Thank you for your help, ill try the things you mentioned [14:56] simon_: good lucke [15:45] . [16:35] .. [18:31] is it possible to add this 2.6.39.1 IRQ kernelto studio? [18:41] can i get ubuntustudio to work for more than a week? [18:59] hahaha how about 3 days? [20:46] I'm getting an error at "Select and install software" with the newest 11.04..could this be my usb stick or is this a known problem [20:52] if i install regular ubuntu and run 'sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop' is this equivalent to installing ubuntu studio? Do I lose out on any customizations or custom kernel modules? [21:07] aaas: you dont need -desktop [21:07] that just deals with themeing [21:07] basically, ubuntu = ubuntustudio [21:07] you can search in a package manager or apt-cache search ubuntustudio and read about the meta packages [21:07] i usually get ubuntustudio-audio and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins [21:08] theres no reasong to get -desktop if you like the way your system looks and feels [21:08] you dont need any of the meta pacakges really [21:08] you can just install what you want/need [21:08] jack, ardour, rosegarden... whatever [21:09] you can read up on the process at [21:09] !vanilla | aaas [21:09] aaas: To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation [21:14] so ubuntu studio doesn't use any custom kernels, drivers, or anything like that [21:14] no [21:14] its all about configuration [21:14] the changes are subtle, and all the packages are in the normal ubuntu repos [21:14] so the only benefit of installing ubuntustudio from the install is if you want everything? [21:14] well, they look different [21:15] out of the box, you get different looks and feels [21:15] different backgrounds? [21:15] and there were other differences like the network manager that was *not* with ubuntustudio [21:15] they both use unity [21:15] right? [21:15] aaas: more than just background [21:15] ubuntustudio does *not* have unity [21:15] ubuntustudio-dekstop is gnome [21:16] and it will be XFCE next cycle [21:16] thats why i say, read about the meta pacakges [21:16] ok [21:16] theres literally no need to install -desktop unless you just want the look/feel [21:16] which is actually quite nice [21:16] and is being revamped for XFCE/11.10 [21:17] kernel is the same [21:17] core packages are going to be very similar [21:17] well i couldn't get it to install from the dvd anyways..so looks like ill just install ubuntu and then customize [21:18] the 10.04 installer should work [21:18] personally, i consider non LTS releases 'testing' releases [21:18] but, you wont have any problems with 11.04 [21:18] other than normal config issues [21:18] well i got an error during the 'select and install software' stage [21:19] but it might have been a bad usb stick [21:19] aaas: i have seen that [21:19] i usually dont select there [21:19] i usually just add afterwards [21:19] i tried to skip but it wouldn't boot [21:19] or make ubuntu studio out of ubuntu [21:19] but no matter im just going to install ubuntu and then add studio packages [21:20] yeah, that'll be fine [21:20] could have been a bad download image [21:20] who knows [21:20] i had that issue with the 10.04, and 10.10 installers [21:20] others didnt [21:20] * holstein shrugs [21:21] i cant beleive how sensitive these installs are to dvd/usb/image defects [21:21] its crazy the number of times it happens with all the error checking [21:22] hopefully we will have a live installer by 12.04 [21:22] then, things will 'just work' in theory [21:22] and you can test JACK or whatever... [21:22] anyways... gotta run... good luck [21:22] you are over in #opensourcemusicians right? [21:22] yes i think many people want that...that will really encourage adoption [21:22] it can be slow over here... BBL [21:23] i was...had to rip out a hard drive to put into this computer to install ubuntu to try jack/ardor so my gf can use it [22:52] is there anyway to use jack/adour/ubuntu studio remotely? as in a headless comptuer controled by a laptop using something like nx? [22:52] i'm using nx and it is trying to use the laptop as another sound card [23:07] Ask #opensourcemusicans ? they know more than I do on the topic of weird use cases [23:09] thanks