[00:00] <madnick> oh then we will need to fix a thing
[00:00] <charlie-tca> I have to go eat first, I guess
[00:00] <madnick> yeah
[00:00] <madnick> Ill look up how to do this in the safest manner while you eat ;)
[00:04] <charlie-tca> okay, back again for a little while
[00:06] <charlie-tca> I don't suppose I can just replace xubuntu-logo folder?
[00:06] <madnick> charlie-tca: well
[00:06] <madnick> backup defualt.plymouth
[00:07] <madnick> then replace with:
[00:07] <madnick> http://pastebin.madnick.se/paste.php?id=4e334b3752245
[00:08] <charlie-tca> okay, default plymouth is a link to a file in /etc/alternatives
[00:09] <madnick> okay
[00:09] <madnick> i think that does it :)
[00:09] <madnick> if you get that setup
[00:13] <madnick> I am very sorry if it did not work when you did that, its 3 in the morning, and I do not remember exactly what I did to get it working, I have that on my workstation saved however
[00:13] <charlie-tca> I am still working on it
[00:13] <madnick> okay
[00:13] <charlie-tca> I am a bit slow
[00:13] <madnick> I think it should work
[00:14] <charlie-tca> okay, got it
[00:15] <charlie-tca> Now you want to try, huh?
[00:15] <madnick> :D
[00:15] <charlie-tca> Any further instructions? (this machine will be rebooted
[00:15] <madnick> okay
[00:15] <charlie-tca> back in a minute or two, then
[00:15] <madnick> i was having instructions :\
[00:16] <madnick> sudo update-initramfs -u
[00:19] <madnick> ok, now im a bit scared O_o
[00:21]  * madnick fears
[00:21] <charlie-tca> heh
[00:21] <charlie-tca> wOw!
[00:21] <madnick> did it work? :D
[00:21] <charlie-tca> works well on shutdown
[00:21] <charlie-tca> fails on startup :(
[00:21] <charlie-tca> Might be the video card I have, though
[00:21] <madnick> :((
[00:21] <madnick> did it say something?
[00:22] <charlie-tca> I am using the gallium driver for nvidia
[00:22] <madnick> oh
[00:22] <charlie-tca> nope, black screen with a dash cursor
[00:22] <madnick> Did you get the text version?
[00:22] <madnick> I mean, when you boot normally
[00:22] <charlie-tca> I will run it on the other three or four computers I have here tonight
[00:23] <charlie-tca> aw, shit
[00:23] <madnick> Okay, but knome might have alot of things to say about this also :P Graphically and position wise, so some things may still change
[00:24] <charlie-tca> yup, I normally get a text screen, and I do have "quiet splash" on the boot line
[00:24] <madnick> oh
[00:24] <madnick> okay
[00:24] <charlie-tca> but the shutdown screen is real impressive
[00:24] <madnick> i need to test this on a computer with cryptsetup 
[00:25] <madnick> and fsck force too, so i will be working on that tomorrow
[00:25] <charlie-tca> I don't run encrypted on any of my machines, but I could do an encrytped install tomorrow
[00:25] <madnick> that be cool
[00:26] <charlie-tca> Okay, it is too late tonight for me to do that, but I have one ati machine, another nvidia machine with nouveau driver, and an intel machine
[00:26] <madnick> yeah same, i be heading to bed in 10 minutes :P
[00:26] <charlie-tca> so, we can try it on all of them
[00:27] <charlie-tca> okay, Thanks for working on that so much. It is really looking good.
[00:27] <madnick> thanks
[00:54] <charlie-tca> so, my other nvidia machine doesn't get a plymouth screen either. And that is before trying the new files.
[00:55] <charlie-tca> moving on, will have to run installs on the other two to test it, but I would not get shook up about these nvidia card machines not working with the new plymouth.
[01:00] <Unit193> I may be able to do a VM (Yes, hardware is much better)
[01:23] <charlie-tca> vm won't work
[01:23] <charlie-tca> It always shows a text version instead of the graphic version
[01:23] <Unit193> That's what happens half the time on hardware
[01:23] <charlie-tca> true
[01:23] <charlie-tca> If you can do it, by all means
[01:24] <Unit193> Was never that bad with usplash :/  Worth it in Natty?
[01:26] <charlie-tca> Unit193: bans in any #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic, #xubuntu, #kubuntu are discussed in -ops
[01:26] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Thanks, I noticed because of the !ban factoid (IRC, making yourself look like an idiot everyday! :P )
[01:26] <charlie-tca> Don't know if it will work in natty. If you have a vm that normally shows the plymouth screens instead of text, it should work
[01:27] <charlie-tca> A lot of them are habitual abusers
[01:29] <charlie-tca> I can't run these installs tonight. 
[01:29] <charlie-tca> I will try tomorrow
[01:30] <charlie-tca> I am done tonight. Good night, and have a great weekend.
[01:30] <Unit193> Alright. Have a good one, see you Monday?
[15:05] <charlie-tca> login never adds the user to the screen now. we have two entries for logging in, Guest or Other.
[15:05] <charlie-tca> even after restarting, we only get those two entries. The user must hit Other, enter both user name and password.
[16:10] <charlie-tca> I don't get any plymouth splash screens herre in oneiric after installing. 
[16:10] <charlie-tca> madnick: I don't even get splash screens without the changes
[16:10] <madnick> charlie-tca: you mean without loading my theme?
[16:10] <charlie-tca> We have something broken, maybe from all the bad syncs
[16:10] <madnick> ah
[16:11] <charlie-tca> madnick: yes, without your theme, I still don't get a splash screen
[16:11] <madnick> well, i tested on my laptop and my workstation
[16:11] <charlie-tca> and that is any video card
[16:11] <charlie-tca> You would think, with nvidia, ati, and intel video here, I would get at least one to work
[16:12] <madnick> okay, im gonna download the images of oneiric and try more
[16:12] <madnick> charlie-tca: it should look like this: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Okay, at they are working today, as long as you login using Other and enter both username and password
[16:13] <madnick> okay
[16:13] <madnick> ill give a shot
[16:13] <charlie-tca> I see them on shutdown, I just get black screens on starting
[16:14] <madnick> i had that exact same problem
[16:14] <charlie-tca> nvidia is probably not working with the frame buffers again
[16:14] <charlie-tca> that is common for nvidia
[16:15] <madnick> im gonna try without any drivers
[16:15] <charlie-tca> okeydokey
[16:16] <charlie-tca> I also get splash screens at shutdown without your changes, just the one that says "xubuntu"
[16:16] <madnick> well, normally you should run update ram disk
[16:16] <madnick> 1 sec
[16:17] <madnick> Pasting 3 lines, I was gonna tell you yesterday but you left before I had the chance:
[16:17] <madnick> 02:15 -!- charlie-tca [~cjk@ubuntu/member/charlie-tca] has quit [Quit: WeeChat  0.3.5; I seem to be leaving now ...]
[16:17] <madnick> 02:15 < madnick> i was having instructions :\
[16:17] <madnick> 02:16 < madnick> sudo update-initramfs -u
[16:17] <madnick> But since you got it work without doing that, i did not mention it anymore
[16:18] <charlie-tca> Oh
[16:18] <charlie-tca> but it should still give me a splash screen before I make the changes?
[16:18] <charlie-tca> I don't get one here. I am getting the blank screen on booting
[16:18] <madnick> ah
[16:19] <madnick> Well, I'm gonna look deep into this and talk more to the plymouth devs 
[16:19] <madnick> Plymouth is still not "ready for AS-IS" use, they say
[16:20] <charlie-tca> I wonder if we are missing that command for some reason
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Let me boot this ati machine again and see
[16:20] <madnick> :>
[16:21] <charlie-tca> Oh, goody. Lightdm doesn't even remember the session now
[16:22] <charlie-tca> Okay, rebooting. No changes made yet, still trying to see if I get any splash screen first
[16:22] <charlie-tca> well, nope
[16:23] <madnick> hm
[16:23] <charlie-tca> what a deal
[16:24] <charlie-tca> This is probably the roughest alpha releases since at least 6.06
[16:26]  * charlie-tca has come across people that were able to upgrade all the way from 6.06 to Oneiric
[16:26] <charlie-tca> They actually have had to reinstall oneiric now
[16:28] <madnick> ok, download complete, is the live session presistant on usb?
[16:28] <madnick> using usb creator
[16:29] <madnick> nvm that question :P
[16:30] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:30] <charlie-tca> good question
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Does it even work?
[16:31] <madnick> The image? Im not sure yet
[16:31] <madnick> need to format my usb drive
[16:39] <charlie-tca> changes made to the system with the ATI video card, let's see what it does
[16:40] <charlie-tca> hm, same as before I made the changes. Get a beautiful splash screen for shutting down, and a blank screen to startup
[16:40] <charlie-tca> It's official, I give up
[16:41] <madnick> it's odd, hm, im gonna try to get it working on boot, somehow
[16:43] <charlie-tca> um, live cd is different. I see the xubuntu splash when it boots
[16:44] <charlie-tca> to further make life difficult
[16:44] <madnick> :D
[16:44] <madnick> could be a driver issue then i suppose
[16:45] <charlie-tca> I guess I will eat lunch and then fix the leak in the swimming pool
[16:45] <charlie-tca> It doesn't make my head hurt as much
[16:46] <madnick> :)
[16:47] <charlie-tca> but, hey, at least you know I have all these systems to test on, right?
[16:47] <madnick> yep :D
[16:47] <madnick> what was the work around to get into the live cd?
[16:47] <madnick> set password myself?
[16:48] <madnick> okay i got in
[17:02] <charlie-tca> You can just go to session, Xubuntu, then click guest
[17:04] <madnick> problem is i need the password to change stuff
[17:04] <madnick> like connect to wifi :P
[17:05] <madnick> okay, got the ubuntu user 
[17:05] <madnick> im good
[17:57] <madnick> I narrowed the problem down
[17:57] <madnick> Plymouth cannot read the files at boot
[17:57] <madnick> why? I have no idea :)
[19:20] <madnick> charlie-tca: success! :) http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu.3gp :P
[19:21] <madnick> charlie-tca: success! :) http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/yay.3gp ... err, that is the correct URL
[19:59] <charlie-tca> um, that came up blank
[20:02] <charlie-tca> madnick: what do I need to do to make it work?
[20:16] <madnick> charlie-tca: restore default, do a: update-alternatives --install /lib/plymouth/themes/default.plymouth default.plymouth /lib/plymouth/themes/madnick/madnick.plymouth 100
[20:16] <madnick> then run: update-alternatives --config default.plymouth, all this as root btw, then finally run update-initramfs -u -v
[20:19] <madnick> however, so far I had no luck forcing fsck 
[20:36] <charlie-tca> you can force it to run in two boots using
[20:36] <charlie-tca> sudo tune2fs -c 2 /dev/sda1
[20:36] <charlie-tca> if you change the 2 to 0 or 1, it fails for reasons I don't understand
[20:37] <madnick> charlie-tca: thanks, ill try that
[20:37] <madnick> What I found was "shutdown -rF -now"
[20:45] <charlie-tca> well, that's frustrating
[20:45] <charlie-tca> nothing
[20:46] <charlie-tca> still no splash screen with the ati card
[20:46] <madnick> :(
[20:47] <madnick> Ive got an ATI machine sat up soon, will try myself, but i think there is some options one can set to force a splasj
[21:09] <madnick> fsck working! :) now to try ATI :)
[21:26] <madnick> charlie-tca: confirmed working with HD4200 series driver 
[21:27] <madnick> 8.851
[21:27] <madnick> 61*, sorry, i will try nvidia next, then a friends ATI