[00:29] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: I think so when did it crash?
[00:29] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: I think I can fix it... I have removed all akonadi resources.. delete all data... and start from scratch.... :-)
[00:30] <linux-beginner-h> now i am currently importing the old mails...
[00:30] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: but there is one question... what is faster... using the internal mysql database or the external database...
[00:30] <linux-beginner-h> I can setup both in the akonadi configuration...
[00:31] <Daskreech> Depends on how much mail you have
[00:31] <Daskreech> up to a million or so e-mails the internal one should be ok
[00:31] <Daskreech> And external one would be faster otherwise as I understand it
[00:31] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: I have already running a local mysql server for amarok...
[00:31] <Daskreech> The speed is on the order of seconds at worst
[00:32] <Daskreech> You can use it. The speed difference is mostly academic since it's the same engine
[00:32] <linux-beginner-h> so the external should be better... right?
[00:33] <linux-beginner-h> well... I call it external.. but it's a full mysql server.. running on local
[00:37] <linux-beginner-h> I am on the road again... it works :-)
[00:38] <linux-beginner-h> it would be more easier to have a small tutorial how to setup the new resources... instead of providing this buggy migration tool...
[01:16] <linux-beginner-h> now... I receive the error message SpecialCollectionsRequestJobPrivate::lockResult: Failed to get lock: "Timeout trying to get lock."
[01:16] <linux-beginner-h> and kmail2 crashs
[01:16] <Daskreech> Hmm
[01:16] <Daskreech> :(
[01:16] <Daskreech> What are you using as a connection?
[01:16] <Daskreech>  Imap?
[01:17] <Daskreech> I'd say ask in #kontact but they are most likely sleeping now
[03:13] <fbass> anyone know how to get compiz to work with kubuntu 11.04?
[03:14] <fbass> I can't get emerald to work, segmentation fault.
[03:14] <bazhang> !ccsm | fbass
[03:14] <bazhang> fbass, emerald is not maintained nor supported
[03:14] <fbass> what should I use instead of emerald?
[03:14] <rww> nor working, in my experience
[03:15] <fbass> I installed compizconfig-settings-mangar
[03:15] <bazhang> not sure why you'd want compiz when you have kwin
[03:15] <fbass> kwin doesn't have all the effects I want. There is a specific effect when I switch viewports, It looks like a strip of film.
[03:16] <fbass> If I can do that with kwin that would be awesome, that's the default viewport switching effect on ubuntu.
[03:17] <fbass> so to change kwin effects I go to system settings-desktop effects?
[03:24] <cypha> how do I access the third item in the taskbar?
[03:40] <skreech_> fbass: You mean sliding to the left and right?
[03:41] <skreech_> cypha: Hmm?
[03:41] <skreech_> which thing?
[03:41] <skreech_> Application 3?
[03:44] <cypha> application 3?
[03:44] <cypha> skreech_: the "start menu"
[03:44] <skreech_> Ah the panel
[03:44] <skreech_> alt+f1
[03:45] <cypha> skreech_: I'm asking why there is such a delay in highlighting under the mouse
[03:45] <cypha> highlighting items
[03:45] <cypha> i even have the classic one
[03:46] <skreech_> cypha: I would guess perhaps some animation delay setting
[03:46] <cypha> i have a core i5 and 8gb of ram
[03:46] <cypha> oh, really? how can I fix that?
[03:46] <skreech_> pretty sure if click without the highlighting it will still react
[03:46] <skreech_> I've never thought about it I never use the mouse
[03:46] <cypha> me neither
[03:47] <cypha> but it's an embarrassment in front of people
[03:47] <skreech_> cypha: ask in #plasma I would think they have the most knowledge of the delay animations there
[03:49] <rww> animation lengths are set in System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> Animation speed:, btw.
[03:57] <Who> guys i am confused about kubuntu ISOs
[03:57] <Who> 64-bit Mac (AMD64) desktop CD
[03:57] <Who> for kubuntu 11.04
[03:57] <Who> i do have a Mac
[03:57] <Who> should i use this ?
[03:57] <Who> what are the benefits
[04:01] <rww> Who: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37999/what-is-different-about-the-mac-iso-image/40480#40480
[04:02] <rww> (Colin's answer, if it doesn't autolink you there)
[04:02] <Who> rww:  thanks :)
[04:05] <Who> rww: Colin Watson seems to be an awesome developer :D
[04:07] <rww> He is :)
[05:00] <cypha> where can I change gedit's shortcut for switching tabs?
[05:04] <skreech_> cypha: in gedit's preferences I would suppose
[05:08] <cypha> skreech_: not there
[05:08] <cypha> at least, i do'nt see it anywhere
[05:08] <skreech_> cypha: then it's probably in the registry
[05:09] <cypha> it's in kde
[05:09] <cypha> just don't know where
[05:11] <skreech_> cypha: It's not in KDE
[05:11] <skreech_> it's a GNOME setting
[05:11] <skreech_> and they tend to not show you how to change the settings
[05:12] <cypha> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-432283.html
[05:42] <skreech_> cypha: That won't load for me
[07:50] <cypha> how do I increase the performance of kde?
[07:51] <cypha> i've already disabled desktop effects
[08:06] <sinclair> was under the impression that Digikam 2 was part of SC 4.7 but no?
[08:29] <Shirakawasuna> cypha: turn off services that you don't use
[08:30] <Shirakawasuna> cypha: systemsettings > startup and shutdown
[08:30] <cypha> i don't know enough about linux to determine which services are necessary
[08:33] <Shirakawasuna> cypha: well, if desktop effects are off entirely, there's not much you can do aside from turning off other processes
[08:33] <Shirakawasuna> sorry, sleep time
[08:36] <cypha> k, thanks
[09:03] <sinclair> trying out Telepathy - can not add ICQ account? My problem or Telepathy KDE problem?
[09:36] <cypha> how do i turn off the sounds effects that keep getting played?
[09:54] <janmalte> does someone else can't use subfolders in Kmail2? Only the Inbox and the trash folder are used
[09:54] <janmalte> any other stays empty even if there are mails inside connection to the IMAP Server with kmail1 or any other client
[10:07] <Axelaxel12> Wel...
[10:32] <JulienM> Bonjour à tous,
[10:32] <JulienM> j'ai une petite question de droits qui n'ont pas forcément à voir avec Kubuntu spécialement...
[10:32] <JulienM> J'ai un PC sur lequel j'ai plusieurs utilisateurs ( => plusieurs home)
[10:33] <JulienM> et j'aimerai avec un dossier partagé surlequel certains utilisateurs peuvent créer, modifier et supprimer des fichiers
[10:33] <JulienM> sur un partition Disque à part en ext3
[10:34] <JulienM> comment puis-je ajouter une sorte de masque sachant que les utilisateurs concernés sont dans un groupe
[10:34] <JulienM> ?
[10:34] <JulienM> avec KDE c'est posssible ?
[10:35] <JulienM> Si ce n'est pas le bon salon, n'hésitez pas à me donner le nom d'un autre qui serait plus concerné... :P
[10:36] <jhunold> !fr | JulienM
[10:41] <JulienM> ho sorry !
[10:42] <JulienM> Thanks
[10:46] <chaitu> All, which WM would you recommend?
[11:01] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:22] <g03ijk> sdfodskf
[11:22] <g03ijk> what is this ?????
[11:23] <g03ijk> kutuntu moobuntu ubuntu???
[11:23] <g03ijk> trash ?
[11:23] <g03ijk> all piece o
[11:25] <BluesKaj> g03ijk, kubuntu support
[11:25] <kramerstefan> Upgraded to KDE 4.7.0 yesterday. Now I get two error messages because of segfaults of kdeinit4 and plasma-desktop
[11:26] <kramerstefan> anybody else has similar problem?
[11:29] <sinclair> kramerstefan: no, no such thing when do they appear?
[11:30] <kramerstefan> sinclair: I had installed the packes via apt-get dist-upgrade, then logged out & restarted KDE. Immediately got the two error messages, Even worse, I can't connect to internet on that machine now...
[11:31] <sinclair> kramerstefan: afraid I can not much help you as all went smooth for me, you have a systembackup?
[11:32] <g03ijk> meego
[11:32] <kramerstefan> sinclair: unfortunately not... :-|
[11:32] <BluesKaj> kramerstefan, did update after the dist-update?
[11:32] <sinclair> ouch...
[11:37] <kramerstefan> maybe I shall do a new installation  & try upgrading again, afterwards... Still, the current system upgraded all the way since Kubuntu 8.04.
[11:37] <kramerstefan> Never run into any problems, though ;-)
[11:40] <BluesKaj> kramerstefan, always update after the dist upgrade , otherwise you'll leave broken packages in some cases
[11:41] <kramerstefan> BluesKaj: yes, I did so. But still this time it did not work for me...
[11:43] <kramerstefan> BluesKaj: how can I establish connection to internet now? So that I could check if there's any update missing?
[11:43] <BluesKaj> kramerstefan, did you try the recovery kernel ,then repair broken packages option?
[11:44] <BluesKaj> kramerstefan, what kind of connection , ethernet or wifi ?
[11:44] <kramerstefan> BluesKaj: You mean reboot & the failsafe?? It's WiFi actually.
[11:45] <BluesKaj> kramerstefan, no the recovery kernel in grub menu.
[11:47] <BluesKaj> kramerstefan, best to use ethernet if possible wifi , for the fixes
[11:47] <BluesKaj> not wifi
[11:52] <kramerstefan> BluesKaj: ok, I'll try ethernet connection. WiFi did not work
[11:52] <kramerstefan> BluesKaj:
[11:53] <g03ijk> fkdsf
[11:53] <kramerstefan> BluesKaj: still, it says it can not download some of the packages index files
[11:53] <g03ijk> kubuntu is tampered modified illegal ubuntu
[11:53] <g03ijk> >
[11:53] <g03ijk> >
[11:53] <g03ijk> ?
[11:53] <FloodBotK1> g03ijk: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> kramerstefan, do you have any ppas added to your sources list . if so temporarily disable them , then try to update again
[11:59] <kramerstefan> BluesKaj: do I have to revert to a clean 11.04 installation first? Or just re-try?
[12:00] <BluesKaj> kramerstefan, try this,  sudo apt-get -f install
[12:35] <kramerstefan> BluesKaj: seeems the reason for the segfaults is the Networkmanager widget. I just removed it & now KDE is starting without problems
[12:35] <kramerstefan> BluesKaj: which version of plasma-widget-networkmanagement do you have installed?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> kramerstefan, I don't use network manager , just the network inerfaces file with static IP setting on ethernet , my wifi configure skills are not very extensive
[12:38] <kramerstefan> BluesKaj: I see ;-)
[12:40] <kramerstefan> BluesKaj: anyway, thanks for your help :-)
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, are you using the nvida-current driver or the nouveau atm
[12:46] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: nvidia-current is installed. Not sure what is used though.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, I'm asking in here to avoid intereference from wol-s...he's knowledgeable but he's a pita
[12:47] <Oxymoron> nouveau is also installed. How do I know what Xserver uses?
[12:47] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Hehe :P
[12:48] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, hang on ..I have a command that lists the drivers in order of use in modules
[12:49] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Nice :D
[12:49] <BluesKaj> well Oxymoron try , sudo apt-cache policy nvidia-current , for starters
[12:50] <Oxymoron> 270.41.06-0ubuntu1
[12:50] <Oxymoron> 500 http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/restricted amd64 Packages
[12:50] <Oxymoron>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, sudo lshw -C video| grep driver
[12:53] <draglor> lsmod  should be easier
[12:53] <BluesKaj> lsmod is too long
[12:53] <draglor> "lsmod|grep n" if there's "nvidia" it uses the proprietary driver, if there's "nouveau" it uses nouveau
[12:53] <chaitu> Greetings All. Can someone help me having chromium play videos? is this a flash issue?
[12:54] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/655640/
[12:54] <draglor> 'lsmod | grep "^n"' should have an even shorter output
[12:55] <Oxymoron> http://paste.ubuntu.com/655641/
[12:55] <Oxymoron> Seems like nouevau is not listed at all in loading modules ;)
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, ok I had the same problem , the nouveau driver was the default even tho the nidis-current was installed ..I had to blacklist the nouveau driver in /etcmodprobe.d/blacklist  like so : blacklist xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[12:56] <BluesKaj> nvidia-current
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, the correct filepath is :  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[12:58] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yes figured it out ;) Well, then what? :P
[12:59] <BluesKaj> now reboot
[12:59] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Is it not possible just to restart xserver?
[12:59] <Oxymoron> Or do I need to reboot?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> ok restartx , but I was instructed to reboot
[13:00] <Oxymoron> I must say /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf is confusing path, why not just like /etc/modules/blacklist? :D
[13:00] <Oxymoron> Or like instead of path /var/log, why not use /log ?D:
[13:00] <Oxymoron> Weird structure in Linux
[13:01] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I try to restart Linux, if not working ... well see you next life :D
[13:03] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: No difference it seems
[13:04] <ubuntu____> hi all
[13:05] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: The weird is that I do not get any signal at all to HDMI. But I guess the problem is that my ndvidia is not used at all. I think it still uses Intel chip. Do you know how to look which graphics it uses?
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, ok I had to drop to a tty, stop kdm , sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current
[13:05] <ubuntu____> good morning
[13:06] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Why stop KDM?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> the driver won';t install if X is running
[13:09] <BluesKaj> the chip switching graphics on a laptop,...no wonder wol-s was going on about it... that's been a problem for a while ...you'll have to go into the bios to choose which one you want to use
[13:13] <soee> is there any way to unlock this 60 fps  in kwin ?
[13:17] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Sorry, problem with Wifi and so. I stopped KDM and reinstalled, sarted it again
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  the chip switching graphics on a laptop,...no wonder wol-s was going on about it... that's been a problem for a while ...you'll have to go into the bios to choose which one you want to use
[13:19] <BluesKaj> I haven't seen a fix on linux for that yet..maybe there is one but ....
[13:19] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yeah, problem in Windows as well, there graphics freezes seomtimes, you cannot do anything.
[13:19] <Oxymoron> I tried Switcherroo, Bumblebee etc to swtich, but I do not understand how to switch xD
[13:19] <Oxymoron> Switch which VGA Controller to use real time
[13:20] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I want to use booth xD
[13:20] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: It should use the best one, to get optimal battery time, performance etc.
[13:20] <Oxymoron> Thats why it hybrid graphics
[13:20] <Oxymoron> Just use one, is completly useless.
[13:20] <BluesKaj> yeah I undertstand
[13:23] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.com/
[13:24]  * BluesKaj doesn't understand why there isn't a 2 stage driver that uses no 3d or dir when not required and then turns it on when it is needed
[13:27] <BluesKaj> why use 2 different graphics chips?, that's really starnge imo
[13:27] <BluesKaj> strange
[13:32] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Battery time, performance etc
[13:32] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I just do not understand why this do not work. It should use the things that can be used, switch when need to etc.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> yes of course but like I said above
[13:33] <Oxymoron> Linux is quite primitive someimtes
[13:33] <BluesKaj>  why there isn't a 2 stage driver that uses no 3d or dir when not required and then turns it on when it is needed
[13:33] <Oxymoron> Yeah I read that
[13:34] <BluesKaj> must be cheaper to just slap in 2 cheap chips instead of making one that is optimal
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, did bumblebee install ok ? and it's just not working or...?
[13:36] <Oxymoron> I htink it is smart to have 2 chips, one that not take much power from ulaptop and use what it needs. Then when you use games, HDMI etc it swithc to the better one optimal for the taks
[13:36] <Oxymoron> *tasks
[13:36] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I tried asus-switcheroo which .... was optimized by someone have exactly same laptop I have, Asus UL30VT :D
[13:37] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I shall just reboot PC and see it it works :P brb
[13:37] <BluesKaj> I still think a 2 stage chip and driver would be better
[13:38] <BluesKaj> like turning compiz or desktop effects on or off
[13:39] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I just do not understand how to know if it works ... nothing described in readme ...
[13:41] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I do not know which chip is currently using, need too see which are loaded
[13:42] <BluesKaj>  see my PM, Oxymoron
[13:55] <BluesKaj> Hey Daskreech
[13:58] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I am reboot and quirking ;)
[13:59] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I think bumblebee could work ;)
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, cool :)
[14:12] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Worked like one second, before graphics freezed same way Windows does xD
[14:12] <Oxymoron> ************** Linux
[14:13] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Do you know how  to remove earlier modifictions done by using make and make install?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, :>(
[14:14] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, usually in the readme there's instructions but , cd to the dir , open a terminal . sudo make uninstall
[14:14] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I am trying to do sudo make uninstall, but does not work, says no config for uninstall xD
[14:15] <Oxymoron> Which mean I manually need to remove it Guess, which I do not know becauseI do not know paths and changes
[14:15] <Who> guys i need help compiling & installing pommed
[14:15] <BluesKaj> make sure you terminal is open in the app directory, Oxymoron
[14:15] <Who> i compiled it using make pommed
[14:16] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yeah I did cd to correct one I think. I did cd into the directory it installed from, unpacked files from beginning?
[14:16] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I will do one more try though, just need to remove switcheroo and acpi_call first so I am sure they are not affecting bumblebee negative
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron,  yes , good idea
[14:18] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Lol, Bumblebee even have their own Facebook group :D
[14:18] <BluesKaj> yes Oxymoron open the folder that was created when you extracted the file before compiling
[14:18] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: There is a Ubuntu ppa for it as well.
[14:18] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Yeah I am in right directory, does not seem to work.
[14:19] <BluesKaj> sudo make uninstall
[14:20] <BluesKaj> is there a readme ..usually there are uninstall instructions in it
[14:20] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Haha found this in Makefile in the dir sudo make uninstall-ubuntu
[14:21] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Hehe very much conflicts as everyone patch their own modules into initfsram :P
[14:22] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, that's just ubuntu version of the app, not ubuntu itself , I think
[14:23] <Oxymoron> Yes of course, but I found the command for make. It is custom for each one, someone else was make clean
[14:24] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Now I try bumblebee again :P
[14:24] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:28] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: This time it havent freezed yet :P
[14:28] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: But I do not know if it works or not xD
[14:35] <Oxymoron> lol, HDMI is not supported by bumblebee yet ... worthless the nxD
[14:36] <szal> *scratches head*  at some point the raising of programs from the taskbar when dragging files on them seems to have ceased (Natty, KDE 4.6.5)
[14:36] <szal> I'm pretty sure that it still worked earlier this week
[14:37] <iconmefisto> I did a new 11.04 install yesterday and found hard disk performance to be very slow. (eg, installing vlc from terminal took 8 minutes, ls a directory took 20-30 seconds). The solution was to use "irqpoll" in the boot options. But why do I need irqpoll? Is it just my mb is deficient? And how much of a performance hit does irqpoll cause?
[14:37] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Seems like hybrid is working though :P
[14:38] <szal> like e.g. dragging a file from the file manager to the audio player minimized in the taskbar, that should bring the player up so I can drop the file in the playlist
[14:38] <szal> but it doesn't any more
[14:39] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, maybe it's just a matter of configuring the nvidia-settings ...does it show your hdmi output ?
[14:41] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: No I cannot found HDMI output at all, there is no signal whatsever.
[14:43] <melodie_> Just out of curiosity, dose anyone know any good games that I can download off the Kpackage kit or Software Managment? I'm sort of bored so...ya. Not that important though, just wondering is all.
[14:44] <szal> define 'good games' ;)
[14:45] <melodie_> Anything. Anything interesting.
[14:46] <szal> LBreakout, Armagetron, good ol' Supertux..
[14:46] <iconmefisto> melodie_: wesnoth. graphically, it's dated, but still very playable
[14:46] <szal> Sauerbraten
[14:46] <sinclair> melodie_: check out Alien Arena if you into 1st person shoot / kiill
[14:46] <girlygirl__> szal: games? add xmoto, kdegames, chromium bsu
[14:47] <melodie_> Thank you all.
[14:48] <girlygirl__> melodie_: Airstrike-ng is good too
[14:48] <sinclair> more kidfriendly and addictive: frozen bubbles
[14:48] <girlygirl__> melodie_: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games
[14:59] <th3falc0n> Hello
[15:00] <anubis_> yo
[15:04] <th3falc0n> I want to become Kubuntu developer...
[15:05] <Quintasan> th3falc0n: http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute
[15:08] <soee> is it possible to downgrade kde from 4.7 do 4.6.5 ?
[15:23] <petete> soee: are you using 11.04?
[15:23] <soee> petete, yes
[15:23] <petete> try using ppa-purge
[15:26] <soee> petete, how exactly ?
[15:31] <petete> sudo ppa-purge ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[15:37] <soee> petete, ok lets hope it wont kill m,y system :D
[15:37] <petete> good luck! ;)
[15:37] <soee> and for all those who want to migrate to kde 4.7 wait till 4.7.1 or 4.7.2
[15:37] <soee> 4.6.5 is much faster and smoother
[15:48] <leo_> l
[15:58] <linux-beginner-h> which is the default backend for akonadi? mysql oder sqllite?
[16:10] <jnanadarshan> hello guys
[16:11] <girlygirl__> hi
[16:11] <girlygirl__> jnanadarshan: ooh you said guys sorry
[16:14] <jnanadarshan> no no sry
[16:14] <jnanadarshan> girls too
[16:14] <jnanadarshan> hello girls :P
[16:16] <girlygirl__> jnanadarshan: I was just kidding know you meant the whole community. One normally seems to assume to find guys here... true less girls are part of the community it seems
[16:16] <iconmefisto> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dict.asp?Word=guys "2. guys Informal Persons of either sex."
[16:17] <jnanadarshan> yup you got it righ
[16:17] <jnanadarshan> t
[16:18] <girlygirl__> iconmefisto: I knew that actually just joking
[16:19] <maciejs> does anyone know if its possible to have the dock "Docky' display the correct system icons that I chose under 'ICONS' ; right now docky is displaying random icons
[16:21] <iconmefisto> ati graphics question: I'm using the open source driver now, and everything seems fine so far. Is there any scenario where the fglrx driver may be better? what should I test?
[16:33] <girlygirl__> anyone knows how to get the old folder icons back in KDE 4.7
[16:35] <ronnoc> try kde-look.org
[16:37] <ronnoc> girlygirl__: lots of icon there; also you could try GHNS and download icon sets right from within system settings
[16:49] <IdleOne> what is the ubuntuone client named in kubuntu?
[17:08] <cher> Woah upstart is pain in the ***, awful crap. I want Sys V init back.
[17:09] <lcb> good Sun day
[17:11] <rww> IdleOne: There isn't a KDE client for Ubuntu One *. Use the GTK one.
[17:12] <cher> I simply want to disable kdm, want my good old runlevel 3 back - multiuser, networking but no xdm. This used to be so simple with Sys V init. Just change the lilo or grub to init to 3 instead of 5. And now with upstart, I just puke...
[17:13] <cher> I bet the guys that designed upstart were paid for this shit by Microsoft.
[17:14] <rww> actually, Canonical.
[17:14] <rww> anyways, http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#disabling-a-job-from-automatically-starting
[17:15] <girlygirl__> rww: you can use the gnome one on kde, and I think someone made a port
[17:16] <rww> girlygirl__: 1) I just said to use the GTK one on KDE. 2) The various ports got broken by Ubuntu One's API changes.
[17:17] <cher> rww: That's exactly what I puke about. Now what happens if an update changes the script that needs to be executed for kdm? Upstart is so stupid, so short-sighted... and its philosophy is like pre-unix.
[17:17] <rww> cher: if an update changes the script, then the override file continues to be in place and it continues to not be run.
[17:18] <leberny> hello, suddently I am asked for "ROOT" password for some action like install app from the "store". I have simply added a new user, any idea?
[17:18] <cher> rww: Yes, and if I re-enable it, it still won't run and instead maybe even crash because the script was not updated when kdm was updated.
[17:19] <rww> cher: Erm, yes it will be. If you read the link I told you, it says to add an /etc/init/kdm.override file, not edit the existing file.
[17:19] <rww> or are you using an old version of Ubuntu/upstart?
[17:19] <cher> rww: Hrm okay I stopped reading at the next heading... kubuntu 11.04 so it should work.
[17:20] <rww> or is Ubuntu using an old version of upstart? I forgot about that possibility :|
[17:20] <rww> !info upstart natty
[17:20] <rww> hrm. Well, try the override stuff and see what happens. If you have to use the older method, it'll prompt you on upgrade for what you want to do with the config file anyway.
[17:21] <leberny> I am using kubuntu 11.04
[17:22] <rww> leberny: does that happen on both users, or just the new one?
[17:22] <leberny> I have tried the new one : when I connect, it asks to change the password and I can't focus on the "New Password" field...
[17:23] <leberny> rww so only for the current one
[17:23] <leberny> rww strange... any group I should add my default user to? It's the first time I am being asked for root password
[17:24] <leberny> rww I have set a password for root then
[17:24] <leberny> rww in order to be able to do the actions
[17:24] <rww> !noroot
[17:25] <leberny> ubottu I don't ask for help on this. In this a bot? ;)
[17:26] <leberny> why I am beeing asked all of a sudden for root password to install app or change users? :/
[17:28] <iconmefisto> leberny: all of a sudden? it's always been this way, hasn't it?
[17:29] <Dragnslcr> leberny- root password or your user password?
[17:31] <leberny> iconmefisto: all of sudden
[17:31] <nuno> Hi
[17:31] <leberny> Dragnslcr: root password
[17:31] <nuno> I have a problem after update od KDE 4.7
[17:31] <nuno> can anyone help?
[17:32] <iconmefisto> nuno: ask the question and see :)
[17:32] <nuno> OK
[17:32] <Dragnslcr> leberny- when you try to install packages with the same user account that didn't need it before?
[17:33] <nuno> When updating KDE, it crashed and had to reboot
[17:33] <leberny> Dragnslcr yes
[17:33] <nuno> after reboot, there are some packages that need to be downloaded and installed
[17:33] <leberny> I have tried to set a new account for my wife. I didn't changed mine. I don't know if it's related or not
[17:34] <leberny> I removed the new user: same thing ROOT pass is asked for some actions (not all)
[17:34] <nuno> but the crash affected my wireless conection: can't connect
[17:34] <nuno> so, i can't do the download of the packages
[17:34] <iconmefisto> nuno: so the update was interrupted by the crash? or it completed and then crashed?
[17:36] <nuno> it was interrupted when updating. not completed
[17:36] <Daskreech> hi BluesKaj
[17:36] <Dragnslcr> leberny- can you get to the User Management part of System Settings?
[17:36] <leberny> Dragnslcr  yes
[17:36] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: What did Oxymoron install?
[17:36] <leberny> Dragnslcr but every change now requires root pass
[17:37] <Dragnslcr> leberny- check if your user is in the 'adm' and 'admin' groups
[17:37] <leberny> Dragnslcr he is on both
[17:37] <Dragnslcr> Messed up sudoers file, maybe
[17:37] <nuno> is there a way to download the full KDE 4.7 packages, and use them to complete the update?
[17:38] <nuno> from a usb drive?
[17:38] <Daskreech> girlygirl__: :)
[17:38] <leberny> Dragnslcr primary group admin, secondary adm among others
[17:38] <girlygirl__> Daskreech: ??
[17:38] <Daskreech> cher: actually in Ubuntu even with sysV init 3 did not do that
[17:39] <Daskreech> girlygirl__: The crack at "hello Guys"
[17:39] <leberny> Dragnslcr autologin is set to my user
[17:39] <Dragnslcr> leberny- hm, probably shouldn't have admin as the primary group, but that shouldn't be the problem
[17:39] <Dragnslcr> leberny- open up Konsole and run "sudo visudo"
[17:39] <leberny> Dragnslcr was working perfectly until I tried to add a new user...
[17:39] <iconmefisto> nuno: if you haven't done it already, run in konsole: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:39] <Daskreech> leberny: You need to set a sudo for the person
[17:40] <cher> Daskreech: Can't tell, I'm using kubuntu only recently because I thought OpenSuSE started to suck. But now looking under the hood, I think that Kubuntu sucks just as much from a sysadmin perspective - or maybe even more.
[17:40] <girlygirl__> Daskreech: I'm sorry I don't quite understand you
[17:40] <nuno> iconmefisto: I have done that. I can execute almost everything with ALT+F2
[17:40] <girlygirl__> Daskreech: Ah I understand now silly me
[17:40] <girlygirl__> Daskreech: my previous message
[17:40] <Daskreech> cher: OpenSUSE is based off REdhat which enforces the behaviour of init 2 3 and 5 being non networked, netowrked and GUI respectively.
[17:41] <Daskreech> cher: Ubuntu is Debian based which never really cared. It runs the GUI in init 2
[17:41] <leberny> Dragnslcr # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[17:41] <leberny> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[17:41] <Dragnslcr> leberny- looks right to me
[17:41] <leberny> Dragnslcr me too :/
[17:42] <girlygirl__> Dragnslcr: don't call me crack though
[17:42] <Dragnslcr> Could try logging out and logging back in
[17:42] <leberny> I did
[17:42] <cher> I remember Coherent in the early 90ies, before Linux, also used 2, 3 and 5. This is not a Red Hat specific thing.
[17:42] <Dragnslcr> Obviously sudo works fine for you, though
[17:43] <leberny> Dragnslcr yes, I can sudo ok
[17:43] <leberny> Dragnslcr but for the store, i can't do anything
[17:43] <Dragnslcr> I dunno why certain programs would be having trouble with it
[17:43] <Daskreech> cher: It's Redhat based as I said. Redhat Slackware and Debian are the oldest distros of importance
[17:44] <Daskreech> Lots of Distros have as a policy something based on one of those three
[17:44] <iconmefisto> nuno: did all the packages download before the crash?
[17:44] <Daskreech> Debian unfortunately didn't have a init policy neither does ubuntu but it's not very hard to setup
[17:44] <cher> But the 2 3 5 thing is not Linux-specific. Coherent is not a Linux, and Coherent is older than Red Hat and Slackware.
[17:44] <Daskreech> maybe 20 minutes of your time
[17:44] <Daskreech> cher: Yep agreed
[17:45] <leberny> Dragnslcr since one or two days, I have had a crash at logout for kitpolicy for kde. I have reinstal kpackagekit (after the issue I got)
[17:45] <Daskreech> girlygirl__: THink you meant to speak to me :)
[17:45] <cher> I agree that it's 5 minutes of my time now, and with upstart prior to 1.3 involves a lot of update problems. But I think I found out how to change my kubuntu from upstart to Sys V init. (I think there is a reason why it's called Sys V init ;-)
[17:46] <girlygirl__> [17:39] <Daskreech> girlygirl__: The crack at "hello Guys"
[17:47] <nuno> iconmefisto: yes, all packages downloaded
[17:47] <Dragnslcr> leberny- yeah, could be a policykit problem
[17:47] <nuno> it crashed when installing
[17:48] <leberny> ok
[17:48] <Dragnslcr> Unfortunately, I know almost nothing about policykit
[17:48] <leberny> no worries
[17:48] <lcb> just in case someone who understands 'sane', please help me on this. i keep getting "Plustek OpticSlim M12" as my scanner when what i have is a "Iriscan Express 2".  in  /etc/sane.d/gtxx.conf i have: usb 0x07b3 0x045f // override "plustek-opticslim-m12" //  firmware "/usr/share/sane/gt68xx/cism216.fw"
[17:48] <iconmefisto> nuno: then they should all still be in /var/cache/apt/archives/ so you don't need to download the packages again, unless you removed them
[17:49] <Daskreech> girlygirl__: Crack means joke where I come from. Was just saying I liked the joke
[17:49] <Daskreech> cher: We shall see what happens with Systemd that should be interesting
[17:49] <nuno> iconmefisto: they are all there, I think. 797 files - 888.3MB
[17:50] <nuno> so how can i "read" them from there?
[17:50] <girlygirl__> Daskreech: Ah ok the term orriginal term is "crack a joke" crack can mean mad. (language enthusiast)
[17:50] <iconmefisto> nuno: what happens if you try to repeat the upgrade?
[17:50] <Daskreech> mad can also mean angry :)
[17:50] <Daskreech>  English is a messy language to communicate in
[17:51] <iconmefisto> english if fine, it's the words that are the problem
[17:51] <cher> Daskreech: Cool. I never hread of systemd before, but I'm now reading about this, and it made me curious. Being a UNIX user and occasional admin for >>15 years now, I really must say that upstart sucks.
[17:51] <nuno> Iconmefisto: When I do that, it says that need to download some files - but because networkmanager doesn't work, I can't connect
[17:52] <Daskreech> cher: it's intentions were noble
[17:52] <rww> systemd doesn't use 2 3 5 runlevels (or runlevels in general) either
[17:53] <cher> Daskreech: Undoubtly they were. However, I feel they so much were targetting the desktop that they completely forgot about sysadmins and headless configurations.
[17:53] <rww> my experience is that the "runlevel" concept is deprecated in pretty much all newfangled inits.
[17:53] <Daskreech> cher: Seems to happen a lot now
[17:53] <leberny> bye all
[17:53] <Daskreech> bai
[17:53] <Daskreech> girlygirl__: which languages?
[17:54] <girlygirl__> Daskreech: Just english and french
[17:54] <rww> girlygirl__: out of curiosity: how come you're running two different webchat sessions instead of just joining both channels in one?
[17:54] <Daskreech> cher: it seems to be a common belief that systemd will replace Sys V in time so might be worth looking into
[17:54] <Daskreech> !join
[17:55] <Daskreech> hmm
[17:55] <Daskreech> !channel
[17:55] <iconmefisto> nuno: does it tell you which files it needs to download?
[17:55] <girlygirl__> rww:  forgot how to do that in freenode web on quassel its easy
[17:55] <cher> Let's see if SUN/Oracle, IBM etc. will replace Sys V init with systemd...
[17:55] <rww> girlygirl__: /join #channelname
[17:55] <Daskreech> girlygirl__: /join #channel
[17:55] <girlygirl__> rww: Daskreech Thanks!, I will do that next time
[17:56] <Daskreech> You could do it now :)
[17:56] <Daskreech> and talk with yourself
[17:56] <girlygirl__> rww: actually 6 channels!
[17:56] <nuno> iconmefisto: yes, but there are several
[17:56] <seascape> nuno: Have you tried to troubleshoot network manager at all?
[17:57] <Daskreech> cher: The stodgy guys
[17:57] <Daskreech> Oracle will have to
[17:57] <cher> Why will they have to?
[17:57] <nuno> when I do lspci, it doesn't detect my USB wireless card
[17:58] <Daskreech> The linuxside of their business is hinged on undermining Redhat's customer base
[17:58] <iconmefisto> nuno: if they are .deb packages from ubuntu repository, you can download them manually here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/allpackages but if the .debs are from a ppa repo, you'll have to find them at the ppa's site. is wireless the only internet connection available?
[17:58] <cher> I don't see how this already should change the Sys V standards on which Solaris is based.
[17:59] <Daskreech> they currently advertise that they will take over your Redhat Boxes for less than Redhat's yearly charge or you can buy the ORacle Unbreakable LInux which is a drop in replacement for redhat (Because it is redhat)
[17:59] <nuno> Iconmefisto: yes wireless is the only one now
[17:59] <Daskreech> Redhat is based of a snapshot of Fedora and Fedora made Systemd
[17:59] <nuno> only tomorrow i'll get cable connection
[17:59] <nuno> maybe's better do connect it to a cable
[17:59] <Daskreech> Made by someone employed at Redhat. so if Oracle want to stay in that business they have to move to SystemD
[18:00] <cher> Okay I see how systemd is very likely to make it into Oracle Linux - but not yet Solaris.
[18:00] <nuno> gonna leave it this way
[18:00] <nuno> thanks for the help iconmefisto
[18:00] <seascape> nuno: Ethernet is definitely more reliable. What wireless card do you have, anyway?
[18:00] <nuno> it's a tp-link tl-wn422g
[18:01] <cher> Daskreech, rww: Btw thanks for being so cool. I'm really in such a bad mood about upstart, and you listen and keep it on a facts level. This already helped me calm down a bit.
[18:01] <seascape> and you said it was USB?
[18:01] <nuno> yes- usb
[18:01] <Daskreech> cher: FOSS is little if not made of Passion but supported by factual results
[18:01] <seascape> do you have a desktop or a laptop?
[18:02] <nuno> the problem is on a Desktop
[18:02] <nuno> i'm writing on my laptop
[18:02] <seascape> If you have room inside your desktop, you might try installing a PCI or PCI express wireless card
[18:02] <iconmefisto> Daskreech, cher: I feel there is a lesson here beyond just computing
[18:02] <nuno> not going to update it for now eheheheh
[18:02] <seascape> if you need wireless in the future. Good luck.
[18:03] <nuno> tomorrow i'll take it to my store, and try to finish here
[18:03] <nuno> thanks seascape
[18:03] <Daskreech> iconmefisto: Shhhhh people might want to actually start thinking about doing things properly and where would that leave us?
[18:03] <nuno> bye guys
[18:03] <nuno> thanks for the help
[18:04] <Daskreech> Bye Nuno!
[18:06] <cher> iconmefisto: So what's the lesson?
[18:07] <Daskreech> cher: Let iconmefisto feel some more ;)
[18:08] <cher> Daskreech: You mean I should go on ranting about upstart?
[18:09] <Daskreech> cher: if you like. since we were talking about language you could comment on the ridiculous implications of the name :)
[18:09] <iconmefisto> cher: facts and listening can be soothing, and can lead to solutions?
[18:10] <cher> iconmefisto: Well, for me the solution is to either tamper with the innermost parts of Kubuntu or change the distro. The latter is significantly more likely, as the first will actually involve significant update issues.
[18:11] <cher> A good sysadmin on a good operating system is busy only after a power failure, to replace the broken hardware. Upstart makes this impossible, and Kubuntu seems to have no alternatives to upstart, so I change the distro.
[18:12] <Daskreech> hmm thought that someone packaged systemd
[18:12] <Daskreech> I'll check
[18:12] <Daskreech> !systemd
[18:12] <Daskreech> hm
[18:13] <Daskreech> !info systemd
[18:13] <iconmefisto> live-config-systemd ? is that it?
[18:13] <Daskreech> might be
[18:13] <Daskreech> !info live-config-systemd
[18:13] <iconmefisto> !live-config-systemd
[18:13] <Daskreech> That looks like it
[18:15] <rww> Ubuntu doesn't have systemd. live-config-systemd is Something Else.
[18:15] <rww> (it may be in a PPA somewhere, I don't know)
[18:17] <Daskreech> rww: Ah thanks
[18:31] <LABcrab> Hey people!  i am REALLY having difficulties with *ubuntu!  Wwhen i use an USB Internet stick, it works on one laptop but not the other!  Can someone help me fix this please?
[18:34] <cher> LABcrab: What type of USB interet stick is that? UMTS? WLAN?
[19:00] <Daskreech> hi GirlyGirl__
[19:00] <GirlyGirl__> hi
[19:00]  * Daskreech waves though you just don't care
[19:01] <GirlyGirl__> I always find #kubuntu for friendly than #ubuntu
[19:01] <cher> Maybe that's because KDE is more friendly than Gnome. (Nothing against Gnomes - I'm playing mostly Gnomes myself at WoW ;-)
[19:01] <ArchangelSe7en> way friendlier actually
[19:03] <manu_> hi
[19:09] <Daskreech> GirlyGirl__: Shhhh don't tell them that :)
[19:09] <Daskreech> hi manu_
[19:09] <manu_> I am using Kubuntu 11.04 and was trying to upgrade to KDE 4.7 using the backports PPA. But it seems the install kind of freezed around 66 % (like mentionned in Adriaan De Groot last post on Planet KDE)
[19:10] <manu_> Do you have an idea of how to fix this as he doesn't mention what he did except going to the developers channel and I don't really want to bother them with this...
[19:11] <Daskreech> cher: I'm actually amazed at the number of people who use KDE just because they like the people surrounding it. Not so much the technology or the end product.
[19:12] <Daskreech> manu_: :) he did say if you read his identi.ca page. he closed kpackagekit and ran sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:12] <cher> Daskreech: That's interesting. I for my part don't have much experience with the KDE devs, package maintainers etc.. But I like the technology very much. Sometimes it's a bit too much, but i.e. all the short cuts that I can configure.
[19:13] <cher> Daskreech: Even better to hear that it's good technologie _and_ good people :)
[19:14] <Daskreech> cher: it's good tech. It's fantastic people :)
[19:14] <cher> All I can tell is that in keduca, I once fixed a bug and the people surrounding it were very kind.
[19:14] <manu_> Daskreech: ok, thanks, I'll try this
[19:14] <Daskreech> cher: Kde EDU, KDE Games and KDE Bugsquad are all more like family than anything else
[19:14] <cher> But that was long ago, like 6-7 years.
[19:15] <cher> I also like kmail and kontact because of its good integration with gpg (project sphinx etc.).
[19:16] <iconmefisto> heh, even nepomuk searches are do-able now!
[19:16] <Daskreech> manu_: let me know if it goes through as expected
[19:16] <cher> And I like konsole. Years ago during my Linux trainings, I impressed my students by remotely opening and closing all their CD trays at the same time using Konsole's remote control features :D
[19:16] <Daskreech> cher: I'd heartly welcome you to Camp KDE If you are in the Americas
[19:17] <cher> I'm a German, right now in Germany (recently also sometimes in Barcelona/Spain or Pune/India).
[19:17] <cher> But if it's interesting enough, I might go to the US.
[19:18] <cher> Just don't mistake me for a girl, I'm mail, and my nick is a long story that's got nothing to do with that female plastic singer.
[19:18] <cher> s/mail/male/
[19:18] <Daskreech> Oh no. Then you should visit Akademy :)
[19:18] <Daskreech> ha I will try not to do that then hard as it may be upon meeting you
[19:19] <manu_> Daskreech: So a status: kpackagekit bas been closed (only kpackagekitd is running) and dpkg --configure -a doesn't do much. So maybe everything installed correctly in the end, abd the display was not refreshed correctly...
[19:20] <Daskreech> manu_: run <sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade> just to be sure
[19:21] <manu_> I did this a few minutes ago and it is only proposing unrelated packages, no KDE packages in sight
[19:22] <manu_> so I guess all's well that ends well
[19:23] <cher> Ha I just found out that Solaris no longer uses System V Init, too. Already in 2004 they changed to their Service Management Facility.
[19:24] <Daskreech> cher: yes it's event driven as upstart is but it's older and as per SUN's drug of choice under a license that makes it unusable under Linux
[19:24] <GirlyGirl__> cher: pity about OpenSolaris
[19:24] <cher> Daskreech: Plus it uses strange filesystem features that Linux doesn't have.
[19:26] <Daskreech> GirlyGirl__: And SUN in general they were a great technology company
[19:26] <GirlyGirl__> yes at least openoffice escaped
[19:26] <Daskreech> cher: But such drool worthy Filesystems they are :) People have been begging them for years to get it on Linux
[19:27] <Daskreech> GirlyGirl__: Twice!
[19:28] <GirlyGirl__> hmm lol
[19:28] <cher> Really? I don't know very much about these modern file systems. All I know is that I usually use quota, acls and on SSDs disable atime, and I know that journalling has advantages, so ext4 or ext3 or reiserfs instead of ext2 makes sense.
[19:28] <manu_> ok, and dpkg -l lists the 4.7 packages as installed... So I guess I'll try to restart my session. If I don't come back in a few minutes, I guess it was a bad idea :-) Thanks for your advices Daskreech
[19:28] <cher> So what makes the Solaris file system(s) so special?
[19:29] <Daskreech> cher: It's capable of addressing space in the Zettabyte region. It's live snapshottable
[19:29] <Daskreech> it's able to create multiple timelines of the same file or group of files
[19:29] <Daskreech> manu_: can you get here without the GUI?
[19:30] <manu_> I guess I will be able to log in using the other window managers installed if KDE doesn't work anymore
[19:30] <cher> Zettabyte - nice, but that doesn't impress me so much. The Amiga with FFS64 already could go into Exbi.
[19:30] <Daskreech> manu_: ok
[19:30] <cher> What's the live snaapshottable about?
[19:31] <Daskreech> might be helpful to know how to get here if X dies though
[19:31] <Daskreech> cher: per file?
[19:32] <cher> Daskreech: Oh... per file. No, sure not, because dos.library was all 32 bits regarding this... it's only up to 2^64 size per partition (dunno if bytes or blocks).
[19:33] <Daskreech> cher: You can create a snapshot while the system is moving. So say you want to get logfiles? or dump to tape instead of waiting for a downtime (which may not be a real "downtime) you can snapshot and then backup the snapshot while the rest of the system is runing
[19:34] <cher> Ah the snapshot feature actually really sounds useful!
[19:35] <Daskreech> cher: or for example you want to test out a new server upgrade you can snapshot the system and install the upgrade and flip the running system over to the upgrade. If things go badly then just jump back in time before you did anything and continue on with your life
[19:35] <Daskreech> all live
[19:36] <manu_> hi again. The "about KDE" window shows me a nice 4.7.0 so I guess I am safe
[19:36] <cher> Makes completely sense. And, well, journalling already is kind of filesystem transactions, so this is just one more db technology making sense on file systems.
[19:36] <cher> manu_: gz! :)
[19:38] <Daskreech> manu_: \o/
[19:38] <Daskreech> Welkome to the new shiny blue!!
[19:38] <manu_> he he, thanks
[19:38] <yofel> Daskreech: we just need the btrfs folks to finish their work :P
[19:39] <Daskreech> yofel: ha ha good luck waiting on that
[19:45] <Daskreech> cher: but as yofel says btrfs is on the same path as zfs
[19:45] <Daskreech> Not quite up to that standard but it's close enough to kiss
[19:47] <cher> I actually used CVS, then Subversion when I did a lot of sysadmin to quickly and easily revert changes. (Of course I would instead use git these days.) However, a snapshot feature in the FS has a few advantages over a VCS based approach - but probably also disadvantages, so I'd try to combine them.
[19:59] <Daskreech> cher: sensible :)
[20:01] <valorie> !encryption
[20:02]  * Daskreech hugs valorie. That's old
[20:02] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} back -- fix it!
[20:02] <valorie> :-)
[20:03] <Daskreech> I've never used encryption
[20:03] <Daskreech> I enjoy throwing around my hard drives too much
[20:03] <valorie> son set up my netbook while I was busy, and the home is encrypted
[20:03] <valorie> which played hob with Amarok being able to read the music files
[20:04] <Daskreech> oh
[20:04] <Daskreech> hmm
[20:04] <Daskreech> wonder why
[20:06] <maxjezy> hello!
[20:06] <maxjezy> a question about kubuntu, what happends if you press alt+rightclick
[20:07] <maxjezy> does a menue or something pop up?
[20:10] <manu_> if you do this on the desktop, right click displays a menu
[20:10] <manu_> if you do this on a window, it is the shortcut to resize the window
[20:12] <cher> I wrote an articcle of how to use encrypted USB sticks a long time ago http://www.riedquat.de/articles/encryptusbmemorystick I guess it's quite obsolete now :)
[20:20] <draik> What is the channel for the Ubuntu server?
[20:21] <BluesKaj> #ubuntu-server, draik
[20:21] <draik> Thanks
[20:28] <soee> do you have any problems with high cpu usage by xorg and kwin ?
[20:29] <iGadget> hi
[20:29] <manu_> soee: With KDE 4.7 and an Intel card with effects enabled, I don't see anything suspicious
[20:30] <soee> manu_, i have nvidia and its so sloow :/
[20:30] <iGadget> just switched over from Ubuntu 10.04 to Kubuntu 11.04, but I'm not fully acquainted yet with the system :)
[20:30] <iGadget> where's my ubuntu one client?
[20:31] <iGadget> (and yeah, why is everything so slow?)
[20:31] <clashingwave> Hello all I seem to be having a problem, When I install the latest version of virtualbox in kubuntu 11.04 is seems to stop my computer from going into sleep more, but after uninstalling virtualbox, sleep mode works just fine. can anyone give me a hand with this please? =]
[20:32] <iGadget> would this info still be applicable to kubuntu 11.04? http://maketecheasier.com/how-to-install-and-setup-ubuntu-one-in-kubuntu/2010/03/15
[20:34] <manu_> soee: Which version of KDE are you using ? And are you using the NVidia binrary drivers ? One of the kwin developer mentionned that 4.7 would increase the performance of window resizing (this post:  http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/05/plasma-compositor-and-window-manager-in-4-7/)
[20:34] <manu_> But I don't know much about this stuff so I fear I can't help much here
[20:38] <iGadget> so...
[20:41] <Nakkel> Upgraded to 4.7.0 and now Kontact is bleeding its heart out with error messages "Error in IMAP command received by server.", any insights for a fix?
[20:42] <mika__> hi, i've upgraded to 4.7, but the new oxygen icons are not showed correctly, only sometimes, not in dolphin a part of some. it still uses the old version (also in the desktop folder plasmoid)
[20:42] <soee> manu_, im on 4.7 and resizing, minimizing is very slooow :/
[20:42] <soee> on 4.6.5 all works perfect
[20:43] <iGadget> soee, I'm here on the default kubuntu 11.04 and it's slow already
[20:43] <iGadget> you mean to say 4.7 is even worse?
[20:44] <iGadget> (quadcore phenom, 4GB of mem with nvidia graphics by the way)
[20:44] <soee> iGadget, yeah i did some tests, today i did fresh installation of 11.04
[20:44] <soee> than 4.6.2 -> 4.6.5
[20:44] <soee> and all was great
[20:45] <iGadget> darn... And I thought moving from Ubuntu to Kubuntu would speed things up :(
[20:45] <yofel> not noticed any slowness with nvidia, but intel has it's issues out of the box in natty ..
[20:45] <soee> smooth and fast but after upgrade to 4.7 its so slow an tbh i cant use it
[20:45] <manu_> soee: have you tried switching between the various back-ends as mentionned here ? http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/05/the-compositing-modes-of-kde-plasma-workspaces-explained/
[20:45] <yofel> soee: does it get better if you disable compositing?
[20:46] <soee> yofel, where exactly ?
[20:46] <yofel> press shift+alt+f12
[20:46] <soee> also various nvidia drivers doesnt help
[20:46] <iGadget> hrmz
[20:46] <iGadget> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:apachelogger/ubuntuone-kde
[20:46] <iGadget> [sudo] password for matthijs:
[20:46] <iGadget> Error: can't find signing_key_fingerprint at https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~apachelogger/+archive/ubuntuone-kde
[20:46] <FloodBotK1> iGadget: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:47] <iGadget> *sigh*
[20:47] <soee> yofel, well i cant confirme if its faster as i never used KDE without compositing but it doesnt look to smooth :/
[20:47] <iGadget> how did you guys get ubuntu one working?
[20:47] <soee> also im not sure if its mormal that xorg uses ~ 35 cpu whwn showing window
[20:48] <BluesKaj> odd, 4.7 is great on this plain-jane HP desktop , the odd little glitch , like left over icons in the taskbar after an app's been closed
[20:48] <yofel> no, that's not normal, and doesn't happen here either :/
[20:48] <yofel> iGadget: harald stopped with that, install 'ubuntuone-client' and run 'u1sdtool -c' on the command line
[20:49] <yofel> *should* work
[20:49] <iGadget> yofel: I'll try, thanks
[20:51] <soee> by default KDE 4.7 uses OpenGL ES 2.0 ?
[20:51] <yofel> soee: well, file a bug against kwin, maybe martin knows more
[20:51] <yofel> soee: no
[20:52] <linux-beginner-h> are there kmail2 users?
[20:52] <iGadget> yofel: okay... loggin in went fine. Now how do I see the status of the sync?
[20:53] <yofel> u1sdtool -s
[20:53] <linux-beginner-h> I don't know what wrong... but I have installed kmail2... setup all akonadi resources... but mysql is using all my memory...
[20:53] <yofel> I'm not too sure what exactly that should say if there's nothing to do though
[20:54] <iGadget> yofel: well it should sync about 1.5GB back to my machine
[20:54] <iGadget> but it doesn't:
[20:54] <iGadget> u1sdtool -s
[20:54] <iGadget> State: READY
[20:54] <iGadget>     connection: Not User With Network
[20:54] <yofel> hm, not sure then, try #ubuntuone
[20:55] <iGadget> ok... will try
[20:55] <iGadget> thanks
[20:56] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: I'm using kmail2
[20:56] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: hi... see you again :-)
[20:56] <claydoh> linux-beginner-h: I don't see it here usin kmail2
[20:57] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: now... I have waste a lot of time in configuering kmail2...
[20:57] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: all agents are running now...
[20:57] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: but when I select a folder with more than 600 mails... I reseive no result
[20:58] <Daskreech> 600?
[20:58] <Daskreech> wow
[20:59] <Daskreech> I have about 25000 in one folder
[20:59] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: yes... that's my problem....
[20:59] <rww> I delete mail after a year; I'm up around 700.
[20:59] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: Does the akonadi console give you any output?
[20:59] <rww> using mutt, though :P
[21:00] <cher> Daskreech, rww: may I mention your nicks in a blog entry?
[21:00] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: yes... sometimes the nepomuk email feeder is running and then it stops egain...
[21:00] <Daskreech> cher: Sure
[21:00] <linux-beginner-h> => system to busy... but that's wrong :-)
[21:00] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: but the sync is complete
[21:01] <rww> cher: blogging about upstart?
[21:01] <cher> rww: Yep.
[21:01] <rww> cher: sure
[21:01] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: How much CPU does it use up?
[21:01] <Daskreech> cher: Thank you for asking
[21:01] <linux-beginner-h> mysql 60%
[21:02] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: and yes... it's a low cpu... Intel Atom...
[21:02] <cher> Daskreech: No problem :) I respect privacy, therefore I ask. I will ask again in a few minutes so you can review and decide again.
[21:02] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: ok I'll see what mine is
[21:02] <Daskreech> cher: ha thanks. I'll get my lawyer
[21:03] <linux-beginner-h> Daskreech: and in the debugger view... there is a lot of traffic... mail dispatcher, calender engine... seems like scanning
[21:05] <cher> Daskreech, rww: Here's the blog entry, in case you want to review the context in which your nicknames are mentioned. http://www.riedquat.de/blog/2011-07-31-01
[21:07] <soee> yofel_, is it normal apfter plasma restart to have a lot of such errors in console : http://pastebin.com/BbuBJd4w ?
[21:12] <cher> Haha with this blog entry, I discovered a bug in my XSLT :)
[21:13] <BluesKaj> trying to set up password-less ssh login , but it looks like I have uid probs, /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: ERROR: No identities found... any iseas?
[21:13] <BluesKaj> ideas
[21:15] <Daskreech> cher: nice use of abbr
[21:15] <soee> cu, need to downgrade to 4.6.5
[21:15] <cher> Daskreech: actually there's the bug. The second FLOSS also is <abbr/> and the XSLT is supposed to copy missing @title from other <abbr/> with the same text, and it didn't.
[21:16] <Daskreech> I was wondering about that
[21:18] <asraniel> hello. i'm trying to install kde 4.7 from the backports ppa. I get this error: "kdelibs5-plugins : Breaks: kdevelop (< 4:4.2) but 4:4.0.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed". any ideas what to do?
[21:19] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: No idea what just happened but now Kmail is taking 17% of the CPU and not showing any updates
[21:21] <vuth> hey
[21:22] <yofel> asraniel: that's a rather old version of kdevelop...
[21:22] <yofel> and not from natty
[21:25] <asraniel> yofel: ok. interesting. going to check my sources from where it is
[21:26] <yofel> asraniel: kdevelop 4:4.2.2 was released with natty, so I'm confused why it's not updated
[21:26] <Daskreech> linux-beginner-h: It caught up
[21:26] <Daskreech> vuth: hell?
[21:26] <vuth> hell?
[21:26] <asraniel> yofel: no clue. uninstalling it now. something must have been broken when i went from 10.10 to 11.04
[21:26] <asraniel> yofel: uninstalling did it
[21:27] <vuth> Daskreech have u used both ubuntuand kubuntu?>
[21:27] <yofel> still odd
[21:27] <iGadget> can someone point me to a good resource on how to improve the performance of KDE? I'm on a 64 bit Kubuntu 11.04 using a quadcore phenom with 4GB and an nVidia card, but the system feels slow as hell
[21:27] <Daskreech> vuth: Hello
[21:27] <asraniel> iGadget: probably because of the nvidia driver. so thats the first clue. now there are some things to speed that up, but they depend on the exact card i think
[21:28] <vuth> wow u have a nice system iGadget
[21:28] <vuth> hi Daskreech
[21:28] <iGadget> asraniel: any idea where I should start?
[21:28] <Daskreech> vuth: Do you have a question beyond what we have dnoe in the past? :)
[21:29] <iGadget> vuth: thanks... but it's actually a system that's 3 years old ;)
[21:29] <asraniel> iGadget: guess using the software rasterizer of Qt helps most of the time. But don't ask me how to activate it..
[21:30] <asraniel> iGadget: also, if your card supports it, i had much better performance in KDE using the nouveau driver than the official driver. but my system became quite unstable. but that was some time ago
[21:31] <iGadget> asraniel: better performance with the nouveau driver?? What on earth is KDE doing to make that possible? :D
[21:35] <iGadget> I'm not sure what to do then... I was hoping to get a better performance in KDEnlive when switching to KDE... but the experience has been... well... sub-optimal so far :\
[21:35] <vuth> yes Daskreech...just wanted to know if Kubuntu isa stable os..i been using mint...i wanted to get kubunutu or ubuntu 64 bit
[21:35] <iGadget> vuth: Mint isn't stable then?
[21:35] <Daskreech> iGadget: I have a 6 core PhenomII and I'm hearing it's about to be discontinued
[21:36] <iGadget> my quadcore was discontinued years ago ;)
[21:36] <Daskreech> vuth: Sure. KDE Mint is made off of Kubuntu which is made off Debian which is relatively stable
[21:36] <asraniel> iGadget: i think nouveau is faster because kde uses some stuff that is badly accelerated in the nvidia driver, but not in all other drivers. I also hit a severe memory leak in the nvidia drivers and have to manually clear the GPU memory from time to time when the system becomes slower
[21:37] <iGadget> asraniel: well that does it then. Guess I'll be moving back to Ubuntu :(
[21:38] <asraniel> iGadget: didn't say it was the only solution
[21:38] <asraniel> iGadget: as i said, i heard the KDE flies when one uses the software rasterizer for Qt. which is going to be default for Qt 4.8 anyway
[21:39] <manu_> Time to leave. Thanks for the help and have a good day/night
[21:39] <iGadget> asraniel: ok... that'll be the last thing I'll check then. If that doesn't do it, my short KDE adventure will come to a swift end
[21:40] <iGadget> but that's something for tomorrow... gotta go get some sleep now
[21:40] <iGadget> thanks for your help!
[21:40] <asraniel> good night then
[21:40] <iGadget> thanks, you too
[21:44] <Daskreech> cher: Ah initials
[21:44] <cher> Hehe right :)
[21:49] <vuth> like u drag the window to the top and it auto maximizes, to the right it max on the right side only, etc.?
[21:50] <Daskreech> vuth: It does that
[21:51] <vuth> kewl thnx
[21:52] <vuth> k im downloading Kubunutu 64 to give it a try...i hate wasting bandwidth and time so i had to be sure between ubunutu and kubuntu
[21:53] <Daskreech> vuth: Hmm what are the factors you are weighing?
[21:54] <Daskreech> welcome back BluesKaj
[21:55] <vuth> well sometime that doesnt crash my OS every few weeks...mint i had for 2 weeks and had to reinstall 3 times
[21:55] <vuth> but i think 2 of the installs were my fault
[21:56] <vuth> and of course i want a OS that gives me as much performance from my hardware...win vista 32 bit was very slow..
[21:57] <vuth> considering i have 4 GB of ram and only using 3Gb of it made me mad....and an OS that will recognize my HD video card Geforece 9600GT
[22:01] <BluesKaj> vuth , open kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers, choose the recommended driver and enable it ...it will then install and require a reboot once finished
[22:02] <vuth> kk
[22:16] <Daskreech> vuth: 64 bit will make use of the 4GB
[22:19] <melodie> I'm having a problem problem with my Amarok. It seems to not play any audio of any kind. Anyone have any Idea what the problem might be. I know it is not my sound cards or drives, they seem to work fine because they can play other audio though other programs. So I don't know. And yes, I have it pluged it before someone asks.
[22:21] <szal> !codecs | melodie
[22:26] <Daskreech> melodie: I presume you added the codecs already?
[22:30] <familia> ola
[22:30] <familia> gente da comunidade kubuntu
[22:30] <familia> como vai
[22:31] <K350> what's the name of the english locale in the repo?
[22:33] <soee> back on KDe 4.6.5
[22:35] <szal> K350: what locale in what repo?
[22:37] <K350> szal: for Kubuntu in kubuntu/ubuntu's repo
[22:37] <K350> szal: it's in english now ..I've to change
[22:38] <K350> szal: It'sall wrong with the locales in my terminal so I've to download the right one..can't find it..don't know the name
[22:38] <Daskreech> soee: better?
[22:39] <soee> Daskreech, its like heaven and hell (4.6.5 -> 4.7)
[22:39]  * szal decided to skip 4.7.0 and wait for 4.7.1
[22:41] <melodie> Darkreech: I'm not sure, sorry I didn't reply earlier I was downloading updates.
[22:41] <szal> K350: all locales exist on the system; to change the system locale, you need to do something, but I couldn't tell you what exactly
[22:41] <dorkface> Hi all.  How does one determine, on a system with multiple hard drives, which device has the MBR?
[22:42] <szal> dorkface: if you're looking for the HDD to boot from, best would prolly be trial and error by switching 1st HDD in BIOS
[22:42] <szal> until the system boots, that is
[22:42] <szal> that's what I did after installing *buntu
[22:43] <dorkface> ah, k, ty
[22:43] <Daskreech> szal: :-)
[22:43] <Daskreech> melodie: Did you install kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[22:44] <Daskreech> dorkface: Grub can report it
[22:44] <Daskreech> !grub
[22:45] <melodie> Darkreech: Apparently not. How would I do that, if you would kindly tell me?
[22:46] <szal> !tab | melodie, or clean your glasses ;)
[22:46] <soee> anyone knows hot to solve bug with panel blur when switching desktops ?
[22:47] <melodie> soee: That seems to be another thing I did not know. Thank you very much haha
[22:47] <melodie> szal: Well, I still messed up XD
[22:47] <soee> well one thing i can do is.. turn off blur :)
[22:48] <K350> szal: Ah, well I'll googl eon it:-)
[22:48] <szal> soee: what bug?
[22:48] <soee> is there any shortcut to switch activities?
[22:48] <soee> szal, when switching virtual desktops blur on panel is gone for a moment
[22:49] <szal> soee: indeed, the panel gets clear for a fraction of a second, but I wouldn't call that something that bothers me ;)
[22:51] <soee> szal, when im working switching workspaces is one of the most common things cuz apps are assigned to them
[22:51] <soee> so its really annoying for me
[22:52] <szal> soee: here the non-blur is so short I had to look harder than normal to notice it
[22:52] <melodie> Daskreech: Apparently, it is already installed. So it is most likely not that...
[22:52] <soee> :)
[22:52] <soee> btw i really love muon, great tool
[22:52] <Daskreech> !tab | melodie This should make it easier to get my name :)
[22:52] <szal> Daskreech: I told him that already :P
[22:53] <Daskreech> Oh whoops sorry
[22:53] <Daskreech> Just saw
[22:53] <soee> oh one more thing, anyone using netbeans ?
[22:53] <Daskreech> Was just reading melodie's responses
[22:53] <szal> !anyone
[22:53] <Daskreech> melodie: Does something like dragonplayer play the files ok?
[22:54] <soee> Why not ask your next question - thers no point asking if nobody using it
[22:54] <szal> there's no point in asking the 1st question, it's only a waste of time
[22:54] <James147> soee: but allot of people dont respond to "is anyone using xxx" where they might respond to the question
[22:55] <melodie> Daskreech: I have not tried that, but I do know "MPlayer" Plays the files corectly. I just wanted to play it with "Amarok" because it can move on to the next file and play it automatacly.
[22:55] <Daskreech> melodie: mplayer has it's own internal codecs same as VLC
[22:55] <Daskreech> they will play things pretty much assured
[22:56] <Daskreech> soee: Suppose I don't use netbeans but I can answer your question ?
[22:56] <Daskreech> melodie: as an Aside mplayer can do that as well but :)
[22:56] <Daskreech> szal: is the backend gstreamer now or xine?
[22:57] <szal> Daskreech: backend for what?
[22:57] <melodie> Daskreech: It is not that big of a problem if I have to manually do it and play it, it just gets very annoying is all. But the problem keeps arising is all, since "Amarok" plays not audio at all.
[22:58] <szal> melodie: are you sure that it plays nothing?  not even Ogg or WAV?
[22:58] <Daskreech> szal: Phonon by default.
[22:58] <soee> oh ill answer my first question: to switch activities use meta + tab :)
[22:58] <Daskreech> \o/
[22:58] <soee> kde just rocks
[22:58] <szal> Daskreech: default and recommended is GStreamer, Xine is deprecated but still available, and VLC backend also exists
[22:59] <Daskreech> szal: ok what does kubuntu-restricted-extras install. Last time I looked it was xine
[22:59] <melodie> szal: Yes, very sure. I have tried that with some audio files I was remixing. I was to lazy to turn it over to mp3 something playable, and I thought "Amarok" would play it, but apparently not. It seems not to play any audio files what so ever.
[22:59] <szal> no friggin' idea, I didn't install that, I installed the xine backend stand-alone (if it wasn't already there, I don't remember)
[23:00] <szal> melodie: what does it to when trying to play something?
[23:00] <yofel> Daskreech: oneiric installs gstreamer plugins, I would guess natty does the same
[23:01] <szal> Daskreech: i   phonon-backend-xine                                           - Phonon Xine 1.1.x backend
[23:01] <melodie> szal: Not play it. It dose not mess up or wik out or freak if that is what you want to know. All it dose it say it is playing and the speakers are making no sound as it says it is playing it.
[23:01] <yofel> szal: that says nothing, please check your phonon settings
[23:01] <Daskreech> melodie: hold on
[23:01] <szal> yofel: I switched to Phonon backend, that I do remember
[23:02] <yofel> szal: no, go to systemsettings -> multimedia -> phonon -> backend
[23:02] <melodie> Daskreech: Will do, I will be one all night, my problem is not that big if you need to go do something, do it. Thank you for the help though.
[23:02] <yofel> and check what's used
[23:02] <szal> melodie: if it looks as if it's playing but you don't hear anything, it's an output problem
[23:02] <Daskreech> melodie: http://www.vorbis.com/music/Mists_of_Time-4T.ogg Grab that
[23:02] <szal> yofel: exactly that
[23:02] <Daskreech> tell me if Amarok plays it
[23:02] <yofel> ah, k
[23:03] <melodie> Daskreech: Yes, it dose.... Don't know what it means, but it dose.
[23:03] <Daskreech> melodie: Means you don't have the right codecs installed
[23:03] <melodie> szal: How would I go about fixing that then?
[23:03] <Daskreech> melodie: Do what yofel suggested above
[23:04] <Daskreech> to szal
[23:04] <szal> melodie: if you can actually hear something when playing the above file, than it's a codec issue
[23:04] <szal> Daskreech: no need to, I know what I told it to use ;)
[23:04] <soee> who is running 11.04 and find aout way to run takeoff ?
[23:05] <Daskreech> szal: I know :) I'm speaking to melodie. yofel suggested it to you not to melodie
[23:05] <melodie> Daskreech: Xine is being used.
[23:05] <Daskreech> hmm ok
[23:05] <Daskreech> soee: Run takeoff?
[23:05] <melodie> Daskreech: That is also the only choice to be used, if that matters.
[23:05] <soee> Daskreech, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/07/takeoff-launcher-adds-mac-launchpadslingshot-launcher-kde/
[23:06] <yofel> melodie: can you install phonon-backend-gstreamer in that case please?
[23:07] <melodie> yofel: What would I type in terminal or how would I do that?
[23:07] <Daskreech> yofel: natty installs gstreamer codecs but ships xine backend?
[23:07] <yofel> Daskreech: xine is in the archive, default is gstreamer
[23:07] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get install phonon-backend-gstreamer
[23:08] <Daskreech> We blew up his computer!
[23:09] <James147> soee: what problem are you having in running it?
[23:09] <szal> lol
[23:09] <soee> James147, simply it doesnt load
[23:09] <soee> James147, if i try to put it on my desktop i have only red cross icon
[23:14] <soee> hmm when i try tu run the takeoff install script i have this msg: The script must receive the super user password
[23:15] <melodie> Daskreech: Still didn't do anything though, still have the problem with Amarok... :(
[23:16] <Daskreech> melodie: sudo apt-get install gstreamer-ugly
[23:16] <Daskreech> !info gstreamer-ugly
[23:16] <Daskreech> oh hmm
[23:17] <melodie> Daskreech: "Reading package lists... Done
[23:17] <melodie> Building dependency tree
[23:17] <melodie> Reading state information... Done
[23:17] <melodie> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer-ugly"
[23:17] <James147> soee: yeah... i just tryed to install it (edited the install script to not need the password)  but get "Unable to find requested compoent: takeofff" when trying to place it
[23:17] <FloodBotK1> melodie: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:17] <Daskreech> !info gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[23:17] <Daskreech> melodie: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly
[23:17] <Daskreech> sorry
[23:18] <Daskreech> soee: sudo it
[23:18] <soee> James147, yup that guy who wrote erticle successfuly managed to run  it
[23:18] <soee> Daskreech, sudo doesnt work either
[23:18] <Daskreech> bug!
[23:18] <Daskreech> :)
[23:18] <soee> James147, so you installed it via this script not ppa right ?
[23:19] <James147> soee: no, the install script is expecting you to run it wirh ./_install.sh <password>  ,,, which is stupid as all is dose with it is "echo $1 | sudo...."
[23:19] <melodie> Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/655926/
[23:19] <James147> soee: not running kubuntu so cant use the ppas :)
[23:19] <melodie> Daskreech: Apparently it didn't install anything...
[23:19] <Daskreech> melodie: Ok go to the same spot you did before and see if you have two options now. Xine and Gstreamer
[23:19] <Daskreech> Choose gstreamer and use that.
[23:20] <Daskreech> Make sure amarok is closed
[23:20] <Daskreech> (you don't _have_ to make sure it's closed but might make things go faster)
[23:20] <James147> soee: you running kde 4.7?
[23:20] <soee> James147, not anymore
[23:20] <soee> im back on 4.6.5
[23:22] <melodie> Daskreech: Done. But I think I need to restart the computer or something, because now Amarok won't open XD
[23:22] <soee> James147, what distro you are using ?
[23:22] <James147> soee: arch linux
[23:23] <soee> James147, :) i need to try it someday
[23:25] <soee> James147, what did you changed to install this plasmoid ?
[23:26] <szal> James147: we don't support Arch here ^^
[23:26] <James147> http://pastebin.com/99t0SvE7
[23:27] <James147> szal: and I am not asking questions... just answering them
[23:27] <James147> (well.. at least not asking questions about my problems :) )
[23:28] <soee> James147, got this (ls: nie ma dostępu do lib*: Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu = ls: thers not access to lib*: thers no sutch file or dir)
[23:28] <soee> ./_install.sh: 14: Bad substitution
[23:33] <melodie> Thank you everyone that helped, especially Daskreech!! :D It worked.
[23:34] <James147> soee: when running the modified version? (in the same location as the original?
[23:34] <Daskreech> melodie: Hooray! Enjoy easy listening music (I presume) in a easy manner!
[23:34] <soee> James147, yes
[23:35] <James147> soee: ^^ heh... when running "plasma-windowed takeoff   it works :S
[23:35] <soee> que ?
[23:37] <James147> soee: though it seems to want to size its self to my desktop res rather then the window size :(
[23:40] <soee> James147, for you its: yaourt   kdeplasma-addons-applets-takeoff ?
[23:41] <James147> soee: That should be irrelevant..
[23:42] <James147> soee: I would use the ppa... if that isnt working then I think its a problem with the program its self rather then the package..
[23:42] <James147> (since I am seeing the same problem here)
[23:43] <soee> here is more about this: http://www.lffl.org/2011/07/takeoff-arriva-il-menu-elementary-anche.html#disqus_thread
[23:43] <soee> it doesnt work with 4.7
[23:43] <soee> but im on 4.6.5
[23:44] <James147> soee: what error did adding it to the desktop give?
[23:44] <soee> James147, somethig liek such element doesnt exists
[23:45] <soee> something like: This object couldnt been created, reason: Cant find requested component: takeoff
[23:46] <James147> soee: yup tahts what i am getting... what happens if you run it useing plasma-windowed?
[23:46] <soee> from command line ?
[23:46] <James147> (or plasmoidviewer?)
[23:47] <James147> soee: yea
[23:48] <soee> James147, soee@soee-desktop:~$ plasma-windowed takeoff
[23:48] <soee> plasma-windowed(7527)/libplasma Plasma::FrameSvg::resizeFrame: Invalid size QSizeF(0, 0)
[23:48] <soee> plasma-windowed(7527)/libplasma Plasma::isPluginVersionCompatible: unversioned plugin detected, may result in instability
[23:48] <James147> soee: dose it run?
[23:48] <soee> James147, no
[23:49] <James147> soee: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Takeoff?content=144078 << quite a few people are having problems
[23:54] <soee> yeah iv posted info that id doesnt work for me