[00:28]  * penguin42 really should clean more junk out of his machine before doing upgrades
[01:13] <penguin42> woohoo, KDE 4.7
[01:25] <penguin42> fullscreen might finally work reliably
[10:45] <MrNthDegree> Would any developers here like specific features testing?
[11:33] <penguin42> hmm - anyone else using pidgin? In the last week or so the order of the tabs in this here window has gone completely random
[13:07] <WaltherFI> btw, when is the deadline for ubuntu wallpaper contest submissions / when will the "winners" be selected?
[13:17] <pwnsauce81> Hi. I am having constant crashes with Banshee 2.1.0 in OO. Can anyone help me out? Thanks.
[13:23] <penguin42> pwnsauce81: Best to report the bug with ubuntu-bug and it should gather some useful info
[13:23] <penguin42> pwnsauce81: But also try running it from a shell and see if it gives any errors that give any idea
[13:24] <pwnsauce81> Hi penguin42. I got some information from the Banshee IRC.  It was related to the libsoundtouch0 package. Downgrading it solved the issue
[13:25] <Roo79> Hi all  I've been trying to find out if there is an oneiric minimal install out yet? or if there is a way to do it. can anyone please help?
[13:25] <penguin42> Roo79: The server install would probably be smaller
[13:27] <Roo79> yeah it's not size so much as I just want to play with a few things like no recomends etc
[13:27] <Roo79> recommends sorry
[13:29] <Roo79> I haven't used linux/ubuntu in a long time as was kind of hoping to do a custom install
[13:30] <Roo79> can that still be done?
[13:31] <penguin42> Roo79: The alternate CD gives you a lot more options I think
[13:31] <penguin42> Roo79: But you can always remove a lot of packages and just add back what you need
[13:31] <ikonia> why do you want to do a custom install of a development version
[13:31] <ikonia> the whole point of it currently is to test what's being developed
[13:33] <Roo79> I learn best when I can play with things I have the daily builds already but I want to see what I can do from a basic install remove eog and some others which I can't do on the daily builds
[13:34] <Roo79> thanks for taking the time to talk
[13:34] <ikonia> Roo79: you're adding no value then
[13:34] <ikonia> Roo79: play with the daily builds, look for issues, add/remove software
[13:34] <ikonia> add value
[13:37] <Roo79> I'll take another look alt install and add value is each to their own I guess some default apps are just not for me, but there are alot more I can remove from the dailies than I could before without breaking things ie gwibber, empathy... which is great but I want to see how far I can push it
[13:38] <ikonia> Roo79: then take a daily build and remove as much as possible, it will give a good insight into what depends on what
[13:41] <Roo79> I've been doing that with the daily I have now but I just wanted to see if a minimal install could go a little further like I did back with hardy {the last ubuntu version I used} alot has changed since then ubuntu has come along well credit to you all!
[13:42] <Roo79> well got to go thank you all for your time. happy developing guys!
[13:48] <dsdale> I need to report a problem with python-numpy's distutils. It is providing inaccurate locations for  headers and libraries (for example: "/usr/X11R6/include", plus many others). I was advised to use "apport-bug" to provide a report, but when I run that command I get a traceback from apport-kde. Is there another way to report a problem?
[13:49] <penguin42> dsdale: just try ubuntu-bug python-numpy    although I thought that was the same as apport-bug
[13:49]  * penguin42 wonders if you have to use apport-bug to report a bug in apport-bug
[13:51]  * penguin42 suspects giving people recursive advice isn't allowed
[13:51] <dsdale> penguin42: that's the same as apport-bug. The problem is the call in apport-kde to import PyKDE4.kdecore, I get an import error that there is no such module as kdecore
[13:51] <penguin42> dsdale: I wonder if you can do it with apport-cli ?
[14:00] <yofel> dsdale: python-kde4 is currently utterly broken, known issue
[14:01] <yofel> see debian bug 634860
[14:03] <yofel> or its aftermatch at least
[14:05] <dsdale> yofel: is the PYTHONPATH changing again? I've got PyKDE packages installed in /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.{6,7}, and in /usr/lib/python2.{6,7}/dist-packages/, but the PyKDE4 package that is being found on sys.path is the one in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7, which only contains  __init__ and plasmascript
[14:06] <yofel> I'm not a python expert, all I know is that we (and debian) are switching the packaging to dh_python2 and that didn't go too smooth
[14:11] <penguin42> fullscreen seems a lot more reliable on KDE on Radeon on OO than it did in NN
[15:39] <erus`> how do i install this http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/haskell-platform (a oneiric package) ?
[15:39] <erus`> on ubuntu 11 normal
[15:42] <penguin42> erus: Well it's listed as being in natty as well, so make sure universe is enalbed in your package manager and tell it to install haskell-platform
[15:43] <erus`> its the 2010 version in natty afaict
[15:43] <erus`> the one in oneiric is 2011
[15:44] <Ian_Corne> quick dirty: chance your sources to oneiric, update, install package, change back :p
[15:44] <penguin42> eres`: You can ask for a backport, (but I doubt that will happen until Oneiric is released), but you could get the package source and build it
[15:45] <Ian_Corne> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haskell-platform
[15:45] <Ian_Corne> there's a ppa with the 2011 version
[15:49] <erus`> Ian_Corne: do i just pull that and build it then?
[15:54] <Ian_Corne> you do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mbeloborodiy/ppa
[15:54] <Ian_Corne> sudo apt-get update
[15:55] <Ian_Corne> sudo apt-get install haskell-platform
[16:02] <gnomefreak> since i dont have fglrx installed i cant see if it has been upgraded. can anyone tell me if it is fixed yet?
[16:05]  * penguin42 uses the open drivers
[16:06] <penguin42> gnomefreak: They seem much better in OO
[16:06] <gnomefreak> what ones are open? right now im using default drivers 2D
[16:07] <penguin42> which card?
[16:07] <penguin42> the xserver-xorg-video-radeon I think
[16:08] <gnomefreak> card is 4200HD
[16:08] <gnomefreak> how can i tell what drivers im using?
[16:08] <penguin42> yeh, mine is a HD4350
[16:09] <penguin42> gnomefreak: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:11] <penguin42> managing to render my 1.1M vertex mandelbulb in a handful of fps
[16:12] <carrion> i have installed gnome 3 but it seems to be using metacity as the window manager any idea what im missing
[16:14] <gnomefreak> penguin42: not all that helpful at least for my brain today. is this of help http://paste.ubuntu.com/655726/
[16:14] <gnomefreak> carrion: your not on unity?
[16:14] <carrion> no
[16:14] <carrion> Gnome 3
[16:15] <penguin42> gnomefreak: OK, that's the same as for me - can you do the whole file?
[16:15] <gnomefreak> penguin42: yeah one sec
[16:16] <gnomefreak> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/655730/
[16:16] <gnomefreak> carrion: what are you looking for exactly?
[16:16] <gnomefreak> Gnome 3 means nothing to me
[16:17] <gnomefreak> you are not going to get Gnome 2 in 11.10
[16:18] <gnomefreak> carrion: if you are looking to run unity you need to log out choose Ubuntu Desktop Edition from the choices for Unity
[16:18] <penguin42> gnomefreak: That looks good to me, what does glxinfo show ?
[16:18] <carrion> what are you talking about
[16:18] <carrion> why would i be looking to run unity if i'm asking about gnome 3
[16:18] <penguin42> carrion: Did you install gnome3 from the ppa?
[16:18] <carrion> ywa
[16:18] <carrion> yes*
[16:18] <gnomefreak> penguin42: ill let you know once i can install it
[16:18] <gnomefreak> carrion: on 11.10?
[16:19] <gnomefreak> hint not likely
[16:19] <carrion> yup
[16:19] <carrion> well
[16:19] <carrion> i have
[16:19] <penguin42> carrion: Have you got gnome-shell installed ?
[16:19] <gnomefreak> why install something it comes with from a PPA
[16:19] <carrion> penguin42, yeah
[16:19] <gnomefreak> carrion: are you running 11.04?
[16:20] <penguin42> carrion: Hmm I think that should work; although gnomefreak has a point - I don't think you need the ppa any more
[16:20] <carrion> 11.10
[16:20] <carrion> i used ppa before i update to 11.10
[16:20] <carrion> all i need to know is what theme packages i'm missing
[16:20] <penguin42> carrion: Ah, bad idea - always good to remove the ppa's before upgrade
[16:20] <gnomefreak> that log into it
[16:20] <carrion> they are removed
[16:20] <penguin42> oh, I see
[16:21] <gnomefreak> most likely it borked. use update-manager -d to upgrade
[16:21] <carrion> dude
[16:21] <carrion> i'm upgraded
[16:21] <carrion> dear god.
[16:21] <gnomefreak> penguin42: what is the package name for glxinfo
[16:21] <penguin42> carrion: The 2 things I can think of are 1) You've got broken graphics drivers and gnome-shell is objecting,  or 2) you've got some droppings left from the ppa that the native version is objecting to
[16:22] <penguin42> gnomefreak: apt-cache says mesa-utils
[16:22] <gnomefreak> thanks
[16:22] <carrion> think autoremove will clear that up ?
[16:23] <gnomefreak> no autoremove clears up packages that you dont really need or use
[16:23] <carrion> hmm i cant think what it is
[16:24] <gnomefreak> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/655732/  i gave you all of it :) you shouldnt need it all. but im confused with the output dir. rend. yes, look at it all be right back need a smoke
[16:25] <carrion> brb a sec
[16:26] <penguin42> gnomefreak: From a quick eyeball that looks pretty much the same as mine
[16:26] <penguin42> gnomefreak: So what makes you say it's broken?
[16:29] <gnomefreak> penguin42: unity was crashing and it was saying Unity 2D
[16:30] <gnomefreak> if direct rendering =yes than shouldnt i be running Unity 3D?
[16:30] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Hmm I'm not running Unity on ----> that machine, I'm running KDE on the Radeon machine
[16:30] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Yeh that should run 3d unity
[16:30] <gnomefreak> any idea on how to check which one im running for sure?
[16:31] <penguin42> xlsclients and see if it shows unity-window-decorator which I think is the 3d one only
[16:32] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/655733/
[16:32]  * penguin42 thinks that is 3d - it looks similar to mine
[16:33] <gnomefreak> hold on let me get something for you
[16:33]  * penguin42 hopes it's a chocolate muffin
[16:36] <gnomefreak> that was a waste :(
[16:37] <gnomefreak> did you know classice desktop isnt being shipped with 11.10 instead it is using QT-based Unity 2D
[16:38] <gnomefreak> that could explain why i have qt packages
[16:38] <penguin42> can kind of understand that; is there no metacity?
[16:40] <gnomefreak> not from what im reading
[16:40] <gnomefreak> unity or nothing
[16:41] <gnomefreak> get a load of this ya it sucks, maybe the ubuntu people don't actually want to succeed anymore, maybe they're secretly trying to tell people to stop using their os.
[16:41] <gnomefreak> s/get a load of this ya/get a load of this, ya
[16:46] <Daekdroom> penguin42, there is metacity.
[16:51] <gnomefreak> metacity has been removed
[16:51] <gnomefreak> what happened to xorg.conf :(
[16:52] <penguin42> xorg.conf disappeared years ago
[16:52] <gnomefreak> yeah im seeing that. and im not seeing anyway to get the info that used to be held there
[16:53] <penguin42> it's automagically figured out so you don't need to screw with them - but you can add one if you need to
[16:53] <gnomefreak> Daekdroom: http://techie-buzz.com/foss/ubuntu-11-10-will-not-have-the-gnome-classic-desktop.html
[16:53] <gnomefreak> i think that link has noise on it :(
[16:54] <gnomefreak> sorry bettter link http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-260988.html
[16:54] <gnomefreak> brb need to think
[16:55] <gnomefreak> oh hell just search for it i have so many links open i cant find the one i wanted to give you
[16:55] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, what graphics chip are you using?
[16:56] <penguin42> bjsnider: 4xxx series Radeon
[16:56] <bjsnider> radeonhd 4k?
[16:57] <penguin42> bjsnider: From his log: [    12.221] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon HD 4200" (ChipID = 0x9710)
[16:58] <bjsnider> ok, so i suppose your preferred driver is fglrx
[16:59] <bjsnider> i'm not sure if you're using that or not, but you have that option or the xorg ati driver
[16:59] <penguin42> bjsnider: Open driver works nicely for me on the 4350 - but I'm not a gamer (and this machine is on KDE)
[16:59] <penguin42> bjsnider: Yeh if you look at the scrollback the conv started with him asking if fglrx had got fixed, and I said why not try the open one, and he said the open one didn't work for him
[16:59] <bjsnider> fglrx may be broken at the moment and the foss driver may not work well on that hardware
[17:00] <bjsnider> well, oneiric is alpha software, so i don't know what the big deal about stuff being broken is
[17:00] <penguin42> nod
[17:02] <gnomefreak> fglrx has been broken for a while
[17:02] <gnomefreak> its a 4200HD if that helps
[17:03]  * gnomefreak thinking of the command i need:( its sad i have really been away too long
[17:04] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: im not using fglrx, how do i fond out why im running unity 2D
[17:04] <gnomefreak> is there a way to see what unity im running
[17:05] <bjsnider> you're running unity 2d because you can't create a composited desktop due to the limitations of the graphics driver
[17:06] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought
[17:06] <gnomefreak> thanks
[17:06] <bjsnider> if that's a pic express card i'd certainly recommend replacing it with something by nvidia
[17:07]  * penguin42 would definitely not recommending it by an nvidia - I like the open drivers!
[17:07] <penguin42> OO Radeon drivers seem more stable for me than ever
[17:07] <bjsnider> even a cheap $50 410 or 420 would make all the difference
[17:08] <gnomefreak> i have a spare nvidia card but it doesnt like my windows 7 since default card in ati
[17:08] <gnomefreak> i cant access somethings in windows7 withou tthe ati for some stupid damn reason
[17:08] <bjsnider> penguin42, apparently the radeon driver doesn't work so well for everybody
[17:09] <gnomefreak> FF got rid of the tab rows
[17:09] <gnomefreak> it works i just want my 3D back
[17:09] <penguin42> bjsnider: I'm not sure gnomefreak actually has 3d problems, as opposed to unity problems - his glxinfo and xorg.0.log look great
[17:10] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, can you successfuly run glxgears with a 4-digit framerate?
[17:11] <penguin42> mine is vsync locking - not sure how to unlock that
[17:17] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: how do i set frame rate?
[17:18] <gnomefreak> 302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.315 FPS
[17:18] <gnomefreak> that is the first line of output
[17:18] <gnomefreak> for frame rate
[17:22] <penguin42> yeh, it's sync locking to the monitor frame rate rather than running flat out
[17:25] <bjsnider> well, at least he won't have any tearing on his composited desktop
[17:25] <bjsnider> that is, if he could create a composited desktop
[17:26] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, maybe try installing gnome-shell and logging in to that?
[17:26]  * gnomefreak too tired to create much of anything
[17:26] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: gnome-shell requires 3D IIRC
[17:26] <bjsnider> if gnome-shell works and unity doesn't tht means it's not a driver problem but a unity problem as penguin42 suggests
[17:27] <bjsnider> and he wins the extra special prize
[17:27] <penguin42> is it a muffin?
[17:27] <rww> no, it's a Kubuntu CD
[17:27] <bjsnider> a grizzly bear will drop trow on your feet
[17:28] <penguin42> rww: bah, not as tasty - but lower calories!
[17:28] <bjsnider> who would want a kubuntu cd?
[17:28] <rww> people with bad internet connections, I guess
[17:29] <bjsnider> there are only about 6 people in the world that use kubuntu
[17:29]  * penguin42 is one
[17:29] <rww> bjsnider: lol.
[17:29] <bjsnider> all of them have been institutionalized for observation
[17:29] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: penguin42 thanks ill try gnome-shell either tonight or tomorrow i have to get things done around the house
[18:12] <carrion> which version of kde is in the 11.10 repos ?
[18:15] <rww> !info kdeworkspace-bin
[18:16] <rww> erm, memory fail
[18:16] <rww> !info kdebase-workspace
[18:16] <rww> carrion: 4.7 ^^
[18:16] <carrion> will that install kde 4.7 with kde-standard ?
[18:16] <rww> carrion: all the KDE in 11.10 is 4.7.
[18:16] <carrion> excellent
[18:17] <carrion> thanks :)
[19:10] <DASBHGHUJGBVGDUB> ubuntu 11.10 do not have classixc
[19:10] <DASBHGHUJGBVGDUB> ?
[19:12] <Ian_Corne> ?
[19:12] <Guest58091> ubuntu 11.10 do not have gnome ?
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> why  can't he ask this rww ?
[19:13] <ikonia> Guest58091: it's built on gnome 3
[19:13] <ikonia> rww: ahhh good spot
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> or do you know this person?
[19:13] <rww> Ian_Corne: because he's evading a ban set on him in this channel.
[19:13] <ikonia> Ian_Corne: known problem
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[19:13] <rww> (hence the /remove message)
[19:14] <Ian_Corne> well, i have all leaves, joins parts quits ignored :)
[21:02] <lashun> updated +1 but now can't get into the system. any help?
[21:07] <utusan> totem is segfaulting even in liveCD?
[21:08] <utusan> no one is using it bec I didn't see any complaints in oneiric forums?
[21:10] <charlie-tca> utusan: Probably lots of bugs in launchpad for totem?
[23:59] <BUGabundo> evening