| * penguin42 really should clean more junk out of his machine before doing upgrades | 00:28 | |
| penguin42 | woohoo, KDE 4.7 | 01:13 |
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| penguin42 | fullscreen might finally work reliably | 01:25 |
| MrNthDegree | Would any developers here like specific features testing? | 10:45 |
| penguin42 | hmm - anyone else using pidgin? In the last week or so the order of the tabs in this here window has gone completely random | 11:33 |
| WaltherFI | btw, when is the deadline for ubuntu wallpaper contest submissions / when will the "winners" be selected? | 13:07 |
| pwnsauce81 | Hi. I am having constant crashes with Banshee 2.1.0 in OO. Can anyone help me out? Thanks. | 13:17 |
| penguin42 | pwnsauce81: Best to report the bug with ubuntu-bug and it should gather some useful info | 13:23 |
| penguin42 | pwnsauce81: But also try running it from a shell and see if it gives any errors that give any idea | 13:23 |
| pwnsauce81 | Hi penguin42. I got some information from the Banshee IRC. It was related to the libsoundtouch0 package. Downgrading it solved the issue | 13:24 |
| Roo79 | Hi all I've been trying to find out if there is an oneiric minimal install out yet? or if there is a way to do it. can anyone please help? | 13:25 |
| penguin42 | Roo79: The server install would probably be smaller | 13:25 |
| Roo79 | yeah it's not size so much as I just want to play with a few things like no recomends etc | 13:27 |
| Roo79 | recommends sorry | 13:27 |
| Roo79 | I haven't used linux/ubuntu in a long time as was kind of hoping to do a custom install | 13:29 |
| Roo79 | can that still be done? | 13:30 |
| penguin42 | Roo79: The alternate CD gives you a lot more options I think | 13:31 |
| penguin42 | Roo79: But you can always remove a lot of packages and just add back what you need | 13:31 |
| ikonia | why do you want to do a custom install of a development version | 13:31 |
| ikonia | the whole point of it currently is to test what's being developed | 13:31 |
| Roo79 | I learn best when I can play with things I have the daily builds already but I want to see what I can do from a basic install remove eog and some others which I can't do on the daily builds | 13:33 |
| Roo79 | thanks for taking the time to talk | 13:34 |
| ikonia | Roo79: you're adding no value then | 13:34 |
| ikonia | Roo79: play with the daily builds, look for issues, add/remove software | 13:34 |
| ikonia | add value | 13:34 |
| Roo79 | I'll take another look alt install and add value is each to their own I guess some default apps are just not for me, but there are alot more I can remove from the dailies than I could before without breaking things ie gwibber, empathy... which is great but I want to see how far I can push it | 13:37 |
| ikonia | Roo79: then take a daily build and remove as much as possible, it will give a good insight into what depends on what | 13:38 |
| Roo79 | I've been doing that with the daily I have now but I just wanted to see if a minimal install could go a little further like I did back with hardy {the last ubuntu version I used} alot has changed since then ubuntu has come along well credit to you all! | 13:41 |
| Roo79 | well got to go thank you all for your time. happy developing guys! | 13:42 |
| dsdale | I need to report a problem with python-numpy's distutils. It is providing inaccurate locations for headers and libraries (for example: "/usr/X11R6/include", plus many others). I was advised to use "apport-bug" to provide a report, but when I run that command I get a traceback from apport-kde. Is there another way to report a problem? | 13:48 |
| penguin42 | dsdale: just try ubuntu-bug python-numpy although I thought that was the same as apport-bug | 13:49 |
| * penguin42 wonders if you have to use apport-bug to report a bug in apport-bug | 13:49 | |
| * penguin42 suspects giving people recursive advice isn't allowed | 13:51 | |
| dsdale | penguin42: that's the same as apport-bug. The problem is the call in apport-kde to import PyKDE4.kdecore, I get an import error that there is no such module as kdecore | 13:51 |
| penguin42 | dsdale: I wonder if you can do it with apport-cli ? | 13:51 |
| yofel | dsdale: python-kde4 is currently utterly broken, known issue | 14:00 |
| yofel | see debian bug 634860 | 14:01 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 634860 in python-qt4 "Please switch python-qt4 to dh_python2" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/634860 | 14:01 |
| yofel | or its aftermatch at least | 14:03 |
| dsdale | yofel: is the PYTHONPATH changing again? I've got PyKDE packages installed in /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.{6,7}, and in /usr/lib/python2.{6,7}/dist-packages/, but the PyKDE4 package that is being found on sys.path is the one in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7, which only contains __init__ and plasmascript | 14:05 |
| yofel | I'm not a python expert, all I know is that we (and debian) are switching the packaging to dh_python2 and that didn't go too smooth | 14:06 |
| penguin42 | fullscreen seems a lot more reliable on KDE on Radeon on OO than it did in NN | 14:11 |
| erus` | how do i install this http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/haskell-platform (a oneiric package) ? | 15:39 |
| erus` | on ubuntu 11 normal | 15:39 |
| penguin42 | erus: Well it's listed as being in natty as well, so make sure universe is enalbed in your package manager and tell it to install haskell-platform | 15:42 |
| erus` | its the 2010 version in natty afaict | 15:43 |
| erus` | the one in oneiric is 2011 | 15:43 |
| Ian_Corne | quick dirty: chance your sources to oneiric, update, install package, change back :p | 15:44 |
| penguin42 | eres`: You can ask for a backport, (but I doubt that will happen until Oneiric is released), but you could get the package source and build it | 15:44 |
| Ian_Corne | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haskell-platform | 15:45 |
| Ian_Corne | there's a ppa with the 2011 version | 15:45 |
| erus` | Ian_Corne: do i just pull that and build it then? | 15:49 |
| Ian_Corne | you do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mbeloborodiy/ppa | 15:54 |
| Ian_Corne | sudo apt-get update | 15:54 |
| Ian_Corne | sudo apt-get install haskell-platform | 15:55 |
| gnomefreak | since i dont have fglrx installed i cant see if it has been upgraded. can anyone tell me if it is fixed yet? | 16:02 |
| * penguin42 uses the open drivers | 16:05 | |
| penguin42 | gnomefreak: They seem much better in OO | 16:06 |
| gnomefreak | what ones are open? right now im using default drivers 2D | 16:06 |
| penguin42 | which card? | 16:07 |
| penguin42 | the xserver-xorg-video-radeon I think | 16:07 |
| gnomefreak | card is 4200HD | 16:08 |
| gnomefreak | how can i tell what drivers im using? | 16:08 |
| penguin42 | yeh, mine is a HD4350 | 16:08 |
| penguin42 | gnomefreak: /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 16:09 |
| penguin42 | managing to render my 1.1M vertex mandelbulb in a handful of fps | 16:11 |
| carrion | i have installed gnome 3 but it seems to be using metacity as the window manager any idea what im missing | 16:12 |
| gnomefreak | penguin42: not all that helpful at least for my brain today. is this of help http://paste.ubuntu.com/655726/ | 16:14 |
| gnomefreak | carrion: your not on unity? | 16:14 |
| carrion | no | 16:14 |
| carrion | Gnome 3 | 16:14 |
| penguin42 | gnomefreak: OK, that's the same as for me - can you do the whole file? | 16:15 |
| gnomefreak | penguin42: yeah one sec | 16:15 |
| gnomefreak | penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/655730/ | 16:16 |
| gnomefreak | carrion: what are you looking for exactly? | 16:16 |
| gnomefreak | Gnome 3 means nothing to me | 16:16 |
| gnomefreak | you are not going to get Gnome 2 in 11.10 | 16:17 |
| gnomefreak | carrion: if you are looking to run unity you need to log out choose Ubuntu Desktop Edition from the choices for Unity | 16:18 |
| penguin42 | gnomefreak: That looks good to me, what does glxinfo show ? | 16:18 |
| carrion | what are you talking about | 16:18 |
| carrion | why would i be looking to run unity if i'm asking about gnome 3 | 16:18 |
| penguin42 | carrion: Did you install gnome3 from the ppa? | 16:18 |
| carrion | ywa | 16:18 |
| carrion | yes* | 16:18 |
| gnomefreak | penguin42: ill let you know once i can install it | 16:18 |
| gnomefreak | carrion: on 11.10? | 16:18 |
| gnomefreak | hint not likely | 16:19 |
| carrion | yup | 16:19 |
| carrion | well | 16:19 |
| carrion | i have | 16:19 |
| penguin42 | carrion: Have you got gnome-shell installed ? | 16:19 |
| gnomefreak | why install something it comes with from a PPA | 16:19 |
| carrion | penguin42, yeah | 16:19 |
| gnomefreak | carrion: are you running 11.04? | 16:19 |
| penguin42 | carrion: Hmm I think that should work; although gnomefreak has a point - I don't think you need the ppa any more | 16:20 |
| carrion | 11.10 | 16:20 |
| carrion | i used ppa before i update to 11.10 | 16:20 |
| carrion | all i need to know is what theme packages i'm missing | 16:20 |
| penguin42 | carrion: Ah, bad idea - always good to remove the ppa's before upgrade | 16:20 |
| gnomefreak | that log into it | 16:20 |
| carrion | they are removed | 16:20 |
| penguin42 | oh, I see | 16:20 |
| gnomefreak | most likely it borked. use update-manager -d to upgrade | 16:21 |
| carrion | dude | 16:21 |
| carrion | i'm upgraded | 16:21 |
| carrion | dear god. | 16:21 |
| gnomefreak | penguin42: what is the package name for glxinfo | 16:21 |
| penguin42 | carrion: The 2 things I can think of are 1) You've got broken graphics drivers and gnome-shell is objecting, or 2) you've got some droppings left from the ppa that the native version is objecting to | 16:21 |
| penguin42 | gnomefreak: apt-cache says mesa-utils | 16:22 |
| gnomefreak | thanks | 16:22 |
| carrion | think autoremove will clear that up ? | 16:22 |
| gnomefreak | no autoremove clears up packages that you dont really need or use | 16:23 |
| carrion | hmm i cant think what it is | 16:23 |
| gnomefreak | penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/655732/ i gave you all of it :) you shouldnt need it all. but im confused with the output dir. rend. yes, look at it all be right back need a smoke | 16:24 |
| carrion | brb a sec | 16:25 |
| penguin42 | gnomefreak: From a quick eyeball that looks pretty much the same as mine | 16:26 |
| penguin42 | gnomefreak: So what makes you say it's broken? | 16:26 |
| gnomefreak | penguin42: unity was crashing and it was saying Unity 2D | 16:29 |
| gnomefreak | if direct rendering =yes than shouldnt i be running Unity 3D? | 16:30 |
| penguin42 | gnomefreak: Hmm I'm not running Unity on ----> that machine, I'm running KDE on the Radeon machine | 16:30 |
| penguin42 | gnomefreak: Yeh that should run 3d unity | 16:30 |
| gnomefreak | any idea on how to check which one im running for sure? | 16:30 |
| penguin42 | xlsclients and see if it shows unity-window-decorator which I think is the 3d one only | 16:31 |
| gnomefreak | http://paste.ubuntu.com/655733/ | 16:32 |
| * penguin42 thinks that is 3d - it looks similar to mine | 16:32 | |
| gnomefreak | hold on let me get something for you | 16:33 |
| * penguin42 hopes it's a chocolate muffin | 16:33 | |
| gnomefreak | that was a waste :( | 16:36 |
| gnomefreak | did you know classice desktop isnt being shipped with 11.10 instead it is using QT-based Unity 2D | 16:37 |
| gnomefreak | that could explain why i have qt packages | 16:38 |
| penguin42 | can kind of understand that; is there no metacity? | 16:38 |
| gnomefreak | not from what im reading | 16:40 |
| gnomefreak | unity or nothing | 16:40 |
| gnomefreak | get a load of this ya it sucks, maybe the ubuntu people don't actually want to succeed anymore, maybe they're secretly trying to tell people to stop using their os. | 16:41 |
| gnomefreak | s/get a load of this ya/get a load of this, ya | 16:41 |
| Daekdroom | penguin42, there is metacity. | 16:46 |
| gnomefreak | metacity has been removed | 16:51 |
| gnomefreak | what happened to xorg.conf :( | 16:51 |
| penguin42 | xorg.conf disappeared years ago | 16:52 |
| gnomefreak | yeah im seeing that. and im not seeing anyway to get the info that used to be held there | 16:52 |
| penguin42 | it's automagically figured out so you don't need to screw with them - but you can add one if you need to | 16:53 |
| gnomefreak | Daekdroom: http://techie-buzz.com/foss/ubuntu-11-10-will-not-have-the-gnome-classic-desktop.html | 16:53 |
| gnomefreak | i think that link has noise on it :( | 16:53 |
| gnomefreak | sorry bettter link http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-260988.html | 16:54 |
| gnomefreak | brb need to think | 16:54 |
| gnomefreak | oh hell just search for it i have so many links open i cant find the one i wanted to give you | 16:55 |
| bjsnider | gnomefreak, what graphics chip are you using? | 16:55 |
| penguin42 | bjsnider: 4xxx series Radeon | 16:56 |
| bjsnider | radeonhd 4k? | 16:56 |
| penguin42 | bjsnider: From his log: [ 12.221] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon HD 4200" (ChipID = 0x9710) | 16:57 |
| bjsnider | ok, so i suppose your preferred driver is fglrx | 16:58 |
| bjsnider | i'm not sure if you're using that or not, but you have that option or the xorg ati driver | 16:59 |
| penguin42 | bjsnider: Open driver works nicely for me on the 4350 - but I'm not a gamer (and this machine is on KDE) | 16:59 |
| penguin42 | bjsnider: Yeh if you look at the scrollback the conv started with him asking if fglrx had got fixed, and I said why not try the open one, and he said the open one didn't work for him | 16:59 |
| bjsnider | fglrx may be broken at the moment and the foss driver may not work well on that hardware | 16:59 |
| bjsnider | well, oneiric is alpha software, so i don't know what the big deal about stuff being broken is | 17:00 |
| penguin42 | nod | 17:00 |
| gnomefreak | fglrx has been broken for a while | 17:02 |
| gnomefreak | its a 4200HD if that helps | 17:02 |
| * gnomefreak thinking of the command i need:( its sad i have really been away too long | 17:03 | |
| gnomefreak | bjsnider: im not using fglrx, how do i fond out why im running unity 2D | 17:04 |
| gnomefreak | is there a way to see what unity im running | 17:04 |
| bjsnider | you're running unity 2d because you can't create a composited desktop due to the limitations of the graphics driver | 17:05 |
| gnomefreak | thats what i thought | 17:06 |
| gnomefreak | thanks | 17:06 |
| bjsnider | if that's a pic express card i'd certainly recommend replacing it with something by nvidia | 17:06 |
| * penguin42 would definitely not recommending it by an nvidia - I like the open drivers! | 17:07 | |
| penguin42 | OO Radeon drivers seem more stable for me than ever | 17:07 |
| bjsnider | even a cheap $50 410 or 420 would make all the difference | 17:07 |
| gnomefreak | i have a spare nvidia card but it doesnt like my windows 7 since default card in ati | 17:08 |
| gnomefreak | i cant access somethings in windows7 withou tthe ati for some stupid damn reason | 17:08 |
| bjsnider | penguin42, apparently the radeon driver doesn't work so well for everybody | 17:08 |
| gnomefreak | FF got rid of the tab rows | 17:09 |
| gnomefreak | it works i just want my 3D back | 17:09 |
| penguin42 | bjsnider: I'm not sure gnomefreak actually has 3d problems, as opposed to unity problems - his glxinfo and xorg.0.log look great | 17:09 |
| bjsnider | gnomefreak, can you successfuly run glxgears with a 4-digit framerate? | 17:10 |
| penguin42 | mine is vsync locking - not sure how to unlock that | 17:11 |
| gnomefreak | bjsnider: how do i set frame rate? | 17:17 |
| gnomefreak | 302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.315 FPS | 17:18 |
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| gnomefreak | that is the first line of output | 17:18 |
| gnomefreak | for frame rate | 17:18 |
| penguin42 | yeh, it's sync locking to the monitor frame rate rather than running flat out | 17:22 |
| bjsnider | well, at least he won't have any tearing on his composited desktop | 17:25 |
| bjsnider | that is, if he could create a composited desktop | 17:25 |
| bjsnider | gnomefreak, maybe try installing gnome-shell and logging in to that? | 17:26 |
| * gnomefreak too tired to create much of anything | 17:26 | |
| gnomefreak | bjsnider: gnome-shell requires 3D IIRC | 17:26 |
| bjsnider | if gnome-shell works and unity doesn't tht means it's not a driver problem but a unity problem as penguin42 suggests | 17:26 |
| bjsnider | and he wins the extra special prize | 17:27 |
| penguin42 | is it a muffin? | 17:27 |
| rww | no, it's a Kubuntu CD | 17:27 |
| bjsnider | a grizzly bear will drop trow on your feet | 17:27 |
| penguin42 | rww: bah, not as tasty - but lower calories! | 17:28 |
| bjsnider | who would want a kubuntu cd? | 17:28 |
| rww | people with bad internet connections, I guess | 17:28 |
| bjsnider | there are only about 6 people in the world that use kubuntu | 17:29 |
| * penguin42 is one | 17:29 | |
| rww | bjsnider: lol. | 17:29 |
| bjsnider | all of them have been institutionalized for observation | 17:29 |
| gnomefreak | bjsnider: penguin42 thanks ill try gnome-shell either tonight or tomorrow i have to get things done around the house | 17:29 |
| carrion | which version of kde is in the 11.10 repos ? | 18:12 |
| rww | !info kdeworkspace-bin | 18:15 |
| ubottu | Package kdeworkspace-bin does not exist in oneiric | 18:16 |
| rww | erm, memory fail | 18:16 |
| rww | !info kdebase-workspace | 18:16 |
| ubottu | kdebase-workspace (source: kde-workspace): transitional package for kde-workspace. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu3 (oneiric), package size 13 kB, installed size 152 kB | 18:16 |
| rww | carrion: 4.7 ^^ | 18:16 |
| carrion | will that install kde 4.7 with kde-standard ? | 18:16 |
| rww | carrion: all the KDE in 11.10 is 4.7. | 18:16 |
| carrion | excellent | 18:16 |
| carrion | thanks :) | 18:17 |
| DASBHGHUJGBVGDUB | ubuntu 11.10 do not have classixc | 19:10 |
| DASBHGHUJGBVGDUB | ? | 19:10 |
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| Ian_Corne | ? | 19:12 |
| Guest58091 | ubuntu 11.10 do not have gnome ? | 19:12 |
| Ian_Corne | why can't he ask this rww ? | 19:13 |
| ikonia | Guest58091: it's built on gnome 3 | 19:13 |
| ikonia | rww: ahhh good spot | 19:13 |
| Ian_Corne | or do you know this person? | 19:13 |
| rww | Ian_Corne: because he's evading a ban set on him in this channel. | 19:13 |
| ikonia | Ian_Corne: known problem | 19:13 |
| Ian_Corne | ok :) | 19:13 |
| rww | (hence the /remove message) | 19:13 |
| Ian_Corne | well, i have all leaves, joins parts quits ignored :) | 19:14 |
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| lashun | updated +1 but now can't get into the system. any help? | 21:02 |
| utusan | totem is segfaulting even in liveCD? | 21:07 |
| utusan | no one is using it bec I didn't see any complaints in oneiric forums? | 21:08 |
| charlie-tca | utusan: Probably lots of bugs in launchpad for totem? | 21:10 |
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| BUGabundo | evening | 23:59 |
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