[00:28] * penguin42 really should clean more junk out of his machine before doing upgrades [01:13] woohoo, KDE 4.7 [01:25] fullscreen might finally work reliably [10:45] Would any developers here like specific features testing? [11:33] hmm - anyone else using pidgin? In the last week or so the order of the tabs in this here window has gone completely random [13:07] btw, when is the deadline for ubuntu wallpaper contest submissions / when will the "winners" be selected? [13:17] Hi. I am having constant crashes with Banshee 2.1.0 in OO. Can anyone help me out? Thanks. [13:23] pwnsauce81: Best to report the bug with ubuntu-bug and it should gather some useful info [13:23] pwnsauce81: But also try running it from a shell and see if it gives any errors that give any idea [13:24] Hi penguin42. I got some information from the Banshee IRC. It was related to the libsoundtouch0 package. Downgrading it solved the issue [13:25] Hi all I've been trying to find out if there is an oneiric minimal install out yet? or if there is a way to do it. can anyone please help? [13:25] Roo79: The server install would probably be smaller [13:27] yeah it's not size so much as I just want to play with a few things like no recomends etc [13:27] recommends sorry [13:29] I haven't used linux/ubuntu in a long time as was kind of hoping to do a custom install [13:30] can that still be done? [13:31] Roo79: The alternate CD gives you a lot more options I think [13:31] Roo79: But you can always remove a lot of packages and just add back what you need [13:31] why do you want to do a custom install of a development version [13:31] the whole point of it currently is to test what's being developed [13:33] I learn best when I can play with things I have the daily builds already but I want to see what I can do from a basic install remove eog and some others which I can't do on the daily builds [13:34] thanks for taking the time to talk [13:34] Roo79: you're adding no value then [13:34] Roo79: play with the daily builds, look for issues, add/remove software [13:34] add value [13:37] I'll take another look alt install and add value is each to their own I guess some default apps are just not for me, but there are alot more I can remove from the dailies than I could before without breaking things ie gwibber, empathy... which is great but I want to see how far I can push it [13:38] Roo79: then take a daily build and remove as much as possible, it will give a good insight into what depends on what [13:41] I've been doing that with the daily I have now but I just wanted to see if a minimal install could go a little further like I did back with hardy {the last ubuntu version I used} alot has changed since then ubuntu has come along well credit to you all! [13:42] well got to go thank you all for your time. happy developing guys! [13:48] I need to report a problem with python-numpy's distutils. It is providing inaccurate locations for headers and libraries (for example: "/usr/X11R6/include", plus many others). I was advised to use "apport-bug" to provide a report, but when I run that command I get a traceback from apport-kde. Is there another way to report a problem? [13:49] dsdale: just try ubuntu-bug python-numpy although I thought that was the same as apport-bug [13:49] * penguin42 wonders if you have to use apport-bug to report a bug in apport-bug [13:51] * penguin42 suspects giving people recursive advice isn't allowed [13:51] penguin42: that's the same as apport-bug. The problem is the call in apport-kde to import PyKDE4.kdecore, I get an import error that there is no such module as kdecore [13:51] dsdale: I wonder if you can do it with apport-cli ? [14:00] dsdale: python-kde4 is currently utterly broken, known issue [14:01] see debian bug 634860 [14:01] Debian bug 634860 in python-qt4 "Please switch python-qt4 to dh_python2" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/634860 [14:03] or its aftermatch at least [14:05] yofel: is the PYTHONPATH changing again? I've got PyKDE packages installed in /usr/lib/pyshared/python2.{6,7}, and in /usr/lib/python2.{6,7}/dist-packages/, but the PyKDE4 package that is being found on sys.path is the one in /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7, which only contains __init__ and plasmascript [14:06] I'm not a python expert, all I know is that we (and debian) are switching the packaging to dh_python2 and that didn't go too smooth [14:11] fullscreen seems a lot more reliable on KDE on Radeon on OO than it did in NN [15:39] how do i install this http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/haskell-platform (a oneiric package) ? [15:39] on ubuntu 11 normal [15:42] erus: Well it's listed as being in natty as well, so make sure universe is enalbed in your package manager and tell it to install haskell-platform [15:43] its the 2010 version in natty afaict [15:43] the one in oneiric is 2011 [15:44] quick dirty: chance your sources to oneiric, update, install package, change back :p [15:44] eres`: You can ask for a backport, (but I doubt that will happen until Oneiric is released), but you could get the package source and build it [15:45] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/haskell-platform [15:45] there's a ppa with the 2011 version [15:49] Ian_Corne: do i just pull that and build it then? [15:54] you do: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mbeloborodiy/ppa [15:54] sudo apt-get update [15:55] sudo apt-get install haskell-platform [16:02] since i dont have fglrx installed i cant see if it has been upgraded. can anyone tell me if it is fixed yet? [16:05] * penguin42 uses the open drivers [16:06] gnomefreak: They seem much better in OO [16:06] what ones are open? right now im using default drivers 2D [16:07] which card? [16:07] the xserver-xorg-video-radeon I think [16:08] card is 4200HD [16:08] how can i tell what drivers im using? [16:08] yeh, mine is a HD4350 [16:09] gnomefreak: /var/log/Xorg.0.log [16:11] managing to render my 1.1M vertex mandelbulb in a handful of fps [16:12] i have installed gnome 3 but it seems to be using metacity as the window manager any idea what im missing [16:14] penguin42: not all that helpful at least for my brain today. is this of help http://paste.ubuntu.com/655726/ [16:14] carrion: your not on unity? [16:14] no [16:14] Gnome 3 [16:15] gnomefreak: OK, that's the same as for me - can you do the whole file? [16:15] penguin42: yeah one sec [16:16] penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/655730/ [16:16] carrion: what are you looking for exactly? [16:16] Gnome 3 means nothing to me [16:17] you are not going to get Gnome 2 in 11.10 [16:18] carrion: if you are looking to run unity you need to log out choose Ubuntu Desktop Edition from the choices for Unity [16:18] gnomefreak: That looks good to me, what does glxinfo show ? [16:18] what are you talking about [16:18] why would i be looking to run unity if i'm asking about gnome 3 [16:18] carrion: Did you install gnome3 from the ppa? [16:18] ywa [16:18] yes* [16:18] penguin42: ill let you know once i can install it [16:18] carrion: on 11.10? [16:19] hint not likely [16:19] yup [16:19] well [16:19] i have [16:19] carrion: Have you got gnome-shell installed ? [16:19] why install something it comes with from a PPA [16:19] penguin42, yeah [16:19] carrion: are you running 11.04? [16:20] carrion: Hmm I think that should work; although gnomefreak has a point - I don't think you need the ppa any more [16:20] 11.10 [16:20] i used ppa before i update to 11.10 [16:20] all i need to know is what theme packages i'm missing [16:20] carrion: Ah, bad idea - always good to remove the ppa's before upgrade [16:20] that log into it [16:20] they are removed [16:20] oh, I see [16:21] most likely it borked. use update-manager -d to upgrade [16:21] dude [16:21] i'm upgraded [16:21] dear god. [16:21] penguin42: what is the package name for glxinfo [16:21] carrion: The 2 things I can think of are 1) You've got broken graphics drivers and gnome-shell is objecting, or 2) you've got some droppings left from the ppa that the native version is objecting to [16:22] gnomefreak: apt-cache says mesa-utils [16:22] thanks [16:22] think autoremove will clear that up ? [16:23] no autoremove clears up packages that you dont really need or use [16:23] hmm i cant think what it is [16:24] penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/655732/ i gave you all of it :) you shouldnt need it all. but im confused with the output dir. rend. yes, look at it all be right back need a smoke [16:25] brb a sec [16:26] gnomefreak: From a quick eyeball that looks pretty much the same as mine [16:26] gnomefreak: So what makes you say it's broken? [16:29] penguin42: unity was crashing and it was saying Unity 2D [16:30] if direct rendering =yes than shouldnt i be running Unity 3D? [16:30] gnomefreak: Hmm I'm not running Unity on ----> that machine, I'm running KDE on the Radeon machine [16:30] gnomefreak: Yeh that should run 3d unity [16:30] any idea on how to check which one im running for sure? [16:31] xlsclients and see if it shows unity-window-decorator which I think is the 3d one only [16:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/655733/ [16:32] * penguin42 thinks that is 3d - it looks similar to mine [16:33] hold on let me get something for you [16:33] * penguin42 hopes it's a chocolate muffin [16:36] that was a waste :( [16:37] did you know classice desktop isnt being shipped with 11.10 instead it is using QT-based Unity 2D [16:38] that could explain why i have qt packages [16:38] can kind of understand that; is there no metacity? [16:40] not from what im reading [16:40] unity or nothing [16:41] get a load of this ya it sucks, maybe the ubuntu people don't actually want to succeed anymore, maybe they're secretly trying to tell people to stop using their os. [16:41] s/get a load of this ya/get a load of this, ya [16:46] penguin42, there is metacity. [16:51] metacity has been removed [16:51] what happened to xorg.conf :( [16:52] xorg.conf disappeared years ago [16:52] yeah im seeing that. and im not seeing anyway to get the info that used to be held there [16:53] it's automagically figured out so you don't need to screw with them - but you can add one if you need to [16:53] Daekdroom: http://techie-buzz.com/foss/ubuntu-11-10-will-not-have-the-gnome-classic-desktop.html [16:53] i think that link has noise on it :( [16:54] sorry bettter link http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-260988.html [16:54] brb need to think [16:55] oh hell just search for it i have so many links open i cant find the one i wanted to give you [16:55] gnomefreak, what graphics chip are you using? [16:56] bjsnider: 4xxx series Radeon [16:56] radeonhd 4k? [16:57] bjsnider: From his log: [ 12.221] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon HD 4200" (ChipID = 0x9710) [16:58] ok, so i suppose your preferred driver is fglrx [16:59] i'm not sure if you're using that or not, but you have that option or the xorg ati driver [16:59] bjsnider: Open driver works nicely for me on the 4350 - but I'm not a gamer (and this machine is on KDE) [16:59] bjsnider: Yeh if you look at the scrollback the conv started with him asking if fglrx had got fixed, and I said why not try the open one, and he said the open one didn't work for him [16:59] fglrx may be broken at the moment and the foss driver may not work well on that hardware [17:00] well, oneiric is alpha software, so i don't know what the big deal about stuff being broken is [17:00] nod [17:02] fglrx has been broken for a while [17:02] its a 4200HD if that helps [17:03] * gnomefreak thinking of the command i need:( its sad i have really been away too long [17:04] bjsnider: im not using fglrx, how do i fond out why im running unity 2D [17:04] is there a way to see what unity im running [17:05] you're running unity 2d because you can't create a composited desktop due to the limitations of the graphics driver [17:06] thats what i thought [17:06] thanks [17:06] if that's a pic express card i'd certainly recommend replacing it with something by nvidia [17:07] * penguin42 would definitely not recommending it by an nvidia - I like the open drivers! [17:07] OO Radeon drivers seem more stable for me than ever [17:07] even a cheap $50 410 or 420 would make all the difference [17:08] i have a spare nvidia card but it doesnt like my windows 7 since default card in ati [17:08] i cant access somethings in windows7 withou tthe ati for some stupid damn reason [17:08] penguin42, apparently the radeon driver doesn't work so well for everybody [17:09] FF got rid of the tab rows [17:09] it works i just want my 3D back [17:09] bjsnider: I'm not sure gnomefreak actually has 3d problems, as opposed to unity problems - his glxinfo and xorg.0.log look great [17:10] gnomefreak, can you successfuly run glxgears with a 4-digit framerate? [17:11] mine is vsync locking - not sure how to unlock that [17:17] bjsnider: how do i set frame rate? [17:18] 302 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.315 FPS === __mikem is now known as mmiller235 [17:18] that is the first line of output [17:18] for frame rate [17:22] yeh, it's sync locking to the monitor frame rate rather than running flat out [17:25] well, at least he won't have any tearing on his composited desktop [17:25] that is, if he could create a composited desktop [17:26] gnomefreak, maybe try installing gnome-shell and logging in to that? [17:26] * gnomefreak too tired to create much of anything [17:26] bjsnider: gnome-shell requires 3D IIRC [17:26] if gnome-shell works and unity doesn't tht means it's not a driver problem but a unity problem as penguin42 suggests [17:27] and he wins the extra special prize [17:27] is it a muffin? [17:27] no, it's a Kubuntu CD [17:27] a grizzly bear will drop trow on your feet [17:28] rww: bah, not as tasty - but lower calories! [17:28] who would want a kubuntu cd? [17:28] people with bad internet connections, I guess [17:29] there are only about 6 people in the world that use kubuntu [17:29] * penguin42 is one [17:29] bjsnider: lol. [17:29] all of them have been institutionalized for observation [17:29] bjsnider: penguin42 thanks ill try gnome-shell either tonight or tomorrow i have to get things done around the house [18:12] which version of kde is in the 11.10 repos ? [18:15] !info kdeworkspace-bin [18:16] Package kdeworkspace-bin does not exist in oneiric [18:16] erm, memory fail [18:16] !info kdebase-workspace [18:16] kdebase-workspace (source: kde-workspace): transitional package for kde-workspace. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu3 (oneiric), package size 13 kB, installed size 152 kB [18:16] carrion: 4.7 ^^ [18:16] will that install kde 4.7 with kde-standard ? [18:16] carrion: all the KDE in 11.10 is 4.7. [18:16] excellent [18:17] thanks :) [19:10] ubuntu 11.10 do not have classixc [19:10] ? === theman is now known as Guest58091 [19:12] ? [19:12] ubuntu 11.10 do not have gnome ? [19:13] why can't he ask this rww ? [19:13] Guest58091: it's built on gnome 3 [19:13] rww: ahhh good spot [19:13] or do you know this person? [19:13] Ian_Corne: because he's evading a ban set on him in this channel. [19:13] Ian_Corne: known problem [19:13] ok :) [19:13] (hence the /remove message) [19:14] well, i have all leaves, joins parts quits ignored :) === vDubG is now known as vDubG__Gone [21:02] updated +1 but now can't get into the system. any help? [21:07] totem is segfaulting even in liveCD? [21:08] no one is using it bec I didn't see any complaints in oneiric forums? [21:10] utusan: Probably lots of bugs in launchpad for totem? === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Patrickdk_ is now known as PatrickDK === STiK_M2 is now known as STiK === STiK is now known as STiK_M [23:59] evening