| bhook | grrr... is it just me or are the CLI tools in 11.04 not completely compatible with the UEC 10.04 server components? | 00:00 |
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| jo-erlend | flaccid, I did actually. But I was told that aws was an easier way to get a VPS. When I read those docs, I only became more and more confused. But now I understand that I was misinformed. | 00:00 |
| flaccid | yeah don't listen to people that don't know what they are talking about :) | 00:01 |
| flaccid | think of vps as standalone and manually provisioned. where is cloud is on demand and per hour. | 00:02 |
| flaccid | ok so i think thats enough free consulting. i think its time you actually go into it.. | 00:04 |
| jo-erlend | yes, but even sshd would keep the instance running, so... ? | 00:04 |
| jo-erlend | yup, I am reading. | 00:04 |
| flaccid | sshd has nothing to do with an instance running. | 00:04 |
| jo-erlend | huh? | 00:05 |
| jo-erlend | if I want to be able to connect to my instance, then surely it has to be running? ;) | 00:05 |
| flaccid | you terminate an instance, its the same as essentially a shutdown -h now | 00:05 |
| flaccid | well obviously | 00:05 |
| jo-erlend | what I mean is that whether I pay by month or pay for every hour in the month.. What's the difference? | 00:06 |
| flaccid | huh, you just said what the difference is | 00:06 |
| flaccid | if i ran an instance for 55mins, i'd certainly rather pay for 1 hour and not 1 month. | 00:07 |
| bhook | jo-erlend: if you are running a 24/7 server, then there is no difference | 00:07 |
| jo-erlend | yes, but I would like my sshd to be available at all times, so it would have to run 24/7. | 00:07 |
| flaccid | though most vps, you have to order, wait for provision etc. where is cloud is on demand, nothing manual | 00:07 |
| flaccid | sure. not everyone runs 24x7 servers. people do scaling in the cloud, so it goes up and down and saves a boatload of cash. | 00:08 |
| bhook | jo-erlend: if you were building a highly scalable service, you could fire up additional instances during peak load times and shut them down during off-peak | 00:08 |
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| jo-erlend | ok. But is it useful if I want a relatively small VM that's always on, but I don't expect any need to add further instances? | 00:10 |
| Coder7 | jo-erlend: a very low-load 24/7 server will cost more in AWS than in a typical VPS setup | 00:11 |
| jo-erlend | oh. | 00:12 |
| flaccid | um, no it wouldn't, especially not with the aws free tier. | 00:12 |
| Coder7 | ? last I checked it was more expensive than $14/mo | 00:13 |
| flaccid | really depends where you are getting the vps doesn't it | 00:15 |
| flaccid | not much point in comparing really | 00:15 |
| Coder7 | the free tier is only good for 12 months... but it's nice to know it exists, I hadn't seen that before | 00:15 |
| Coder7 | in the case of what jo-erlend wants to do, it makes sense to compare | 00:16 |
| flaccid | well jo-erlend originally didn't even want to use aws. | 00:17 |
| jo-erlend | what's important to me is that I own my own data, that I can change to another service if I'm not happy and that the service provider doesn't much around with my system. | 00:18 |
| jo-erlend | muck. | 00:18 |
| flaccid | jo-erlend: well you have that. of course, like storing data with any 3rd party, you should do off site backups fo secure the data. | 00:19 |
| Coder7 | wow... they have overhauled the aws pricing system since I last looked at the details | 00:21 |
| Coder7 | far cheaper for a tiny low-usage instance than it used to be | 00:22 |
| jo-erlend | btw; there are some things I would like to experiment with and those require a fairly low latency. Is there some place where I can test against an actual machine to see what latency to expect? | 00:22 |
| flaccid | jo-erlend: what do you mean? you can run an instance and do whatever testing you want. | 00:23 |
| flaccid | i feel like i've been feeding a troll for 2 hours | 00:23 |
| jo-erlend | that's not my intention. | 00:23 |
| jo-erlend | but I mean.. "western europe" can mean different things. | 00:24 |
| flaccid | there is a command called ping | 00:25 |
| flaccid | also this isn't the place for aws. this is for ubuntu cloud. for amazon, #aws please | 00:25 |
| jo-erlend | yes, but the ping might be different between Norway and Sweden and between Norway and Spain, although all of them might be considered "western europe". | 00:27 |
| jo-erlend | oh, great. Thanks. | 00:28 |
| jo-erlend | sorry for drifting off topic. :) | 00:29 |
| flaccid | it was mainly off topic for the last couple of hours heh | 00:29 |
| jo-erlend | yes, you're right. I lost track :) | 00:30 |
| flaccid | for anyone interested, I have updated http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image with 20 images across all 5 regions. | 01:54 |
| Coder7 | flaccid: just curious (not trying to start an argument here), but why do all of those images use root logins? | 01:55 |
| flaccid | Coder7: because Debian doesn't have another user. the root user is secured with PKI, so its not a security issue. | 01:56 |
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