[00:00] <bhook> grrr... is it just me or are the CLI tools in 11.04 not completely compatible with the UEC 10.04 server components?
[00:00] <jo-erlend> flaccid, I did actually. But I was told that aws was an easier way to get a VPS. When I read those docs, I only became more and more confused. But now I understand that I was misinformed.
[00:01] <flaccid> yeah don't listen to people that don't know what they are talking about :)
[00:02] <flaccid> think of vps as standalone and manually provisioned. where is cloud is on demand and per hour.
[00:04] <flaccid> ok so i think thats enough free consulting. i think its time you actually go into it..
[00:04] <jo-erlend> yes, but even sshd would keep the instance running, so... ?
[00:04] <jo-erlend> yup, I am reading.
[00:04] <flaccid> sshd has nothing to do with an instance running.
[00:05] <jo-erlend> huh?
[00:05] <jo-erlend> if I want to be able to connect to my instance, then surely it has to be running? ;)
[00:05] <flaccid> you terminate an instance, its the same as essentially a shutdown -h now
[00:05] <flaccid> well obviously
[00:06] <jo-erlend> what I mean is that whether I pay by month or pay for every hour in the month.. What's the difference?
[00:06] <flaccid> huh, you just said what the difference is
[00:07] <flaccid> if i ran an instance for 55mins, i'd certainly rather pay for 1 hour and not 1 month.
[00:07] <bhook> jo-erlend: if you are running a 24/7 server, then there is no difference
[00:07] <jo-erlend> yes, but I would like my sshd to be available at all times, so it would have to run 24/7.
[00:07] <flaccid> though most vps, you have to order, wait for provision etc. where is cloud is on demand, nothing manual
[00:08] <flaccid> sure. not everyone runs 24x7 servers. people do scaling in the cloud, so it goes up and down and saves a boatload of cash.
[00:08] <bhook> jo-erlend: if you were building a highly scalable service, you could fire up additional instances during peak load times and shut them down during off-peak
[00:10] <jo-erlend> ok. But is it useful if I want a relatively small VM that's always on, but I don't expect any need to add further instances?
[00:11] <Coder7> jo-erlend: a very low-load 24/7 server will cost more in AWS than in a typical VPS setup
[00:12] <jo-erlend> oh.
[00:12] <flaccid> um, no it wouldn't, especially not with the aws free tier.
[00:13] <Coder7> ? last I checked it was more expensive than $14/mo
[00:15] <flaccid> really depends where you are getting the vps doesn't it
[00:15] <flaccid> not much point in comparing really
[00:15] <Coder7> the free tier is only good for 12 months... but it's nice to know it exists, I hadn't seen that before
[00:16] <Coder7> in the case of what jo-erlend wants to do, it makes sense to compare
[00:17] <flaccid> well jo-erlend originally didn't even want to use aws.
[00:18] <jo-erlend> what's important to me is that I own my own data, that I can change to another service if I'm not happy and that the service provider doesn't much around with my system.
[00:18] <jo-erlend> muck.
[00:19] <flaccid> jo-erlend: well you have that. of course, like storing data with any 3rd party, you should do off site backups fo secure the data.
[00:21] <Coder7> wow... they have overhauled the aws pricing system since I last looked at the details
[00:22] <Coder7> far cheaper for a tiny low-usage instance than it used to be
[00:22] <jo-erlend> btw; there are some things I would like to experiment with and those require a fairly low latency. Is there some place where I can test against an actual machine to see what latency to expect?
[00:23] <flaccid> jo-erlend: what do you mean? you can run an instance and do whatever testing you want.
[00:23] <flaccid> i feel like i've been feeding a troll for 2 hours
[00:23] <jo-erlend> that's not my intention.
[00:24] <jo-erlend> but I mean.. "western europe" can mean different things.
[00:25] <flaccid> there is a command called ping
[00:25] <flaccid> also this isn't the place for aws. this is for ubuntu cloud. for amazon, #aws please
[00:27] <jo-erlend> yes, but the ping might be different between Norway and Sweden and between Norway and Spain, although all of them might be considered "western europe".
[00:28] <jo-erlend> oh, great. Thanks.
[00:29] <jo-erlend> sorry for drifting off topic. :)
[00:29] <flaccid> it was mainly off topic for the last couple of hours heh
[00:30] <jo-erlend> yes, you're right. I lost track :)
[01:54] <flaccid> for anyone interested, I have updated http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image with 20 images across all 5 regions.
[01:55] <Coder7> flaccid: just curious (not trying to start an argument here), but why do all of those images use root logins?
[01:56] <flaccid> Coder7: because Debian doesn't have another user. the root user is secured with PKI, so its not a security issue.