[00:00] grrr... is it just me or are the CLI tools in 11.04 not completely compatible with the UEC 10.04 server components? [00:00] flaccid, I did actually. But I was told that aws was an easier way to get a VPS. When I read those docs, I only became more and more confused. But now I understand that I was misinformed. [00:01] yeah don't listen to people that don't know what they are talking about :) [00:02] think of vps as standalone and manually provisioned. where is cloud is on demand and per hour. [00:04] ok so i think thats enough free consulting. i think its time you actually go into it.. [00:04] yes, but even sshd would keep the instance running, so... ? [00:04] yup, I am reading. [00:04] sshd has nothing to do with an instance running. [00:05] huh? [00:05] if I want to be able to connect to my instance, then surely it has to be running? ;) [00:05] you terminate an instance, its the same as essentially a shutdown -h now [00:05] well obviously [00:06] what I mean is that whether I pay by month or pay for every hour in the month.. What's the difference? [00:06] huh, you just said what the difference is [00:07] if i ran an instance for 55mins, i'd certainly rather pay for 1 hour and not 1 month. [00:07] jo-erlend: if you are running a 24/7 server, then there is no difference [00:07] yes, but I would like my sshd to be available at all times, so it would have to run 24/7. [00:07] though most vps, you have to order, wait for provision etc. where is cloud is on demand, nothing manual [00:08] sure. not everyone runs 24x7 servers. people do scaling in the cloud, so it goes up and down and saves a boatload of cash. [00:08] jo-erlend: if you were building a highly scalable service, you could fire up additional instances during peak load times and shut them down during off-peak === fwyrd is now known as fw0rd === bhook is now known as Coder7 [00:10] ok. But is it useful if I want a relatively small VM that's always on, but I don't expect any need to add further instances? [00:11] jo-erlend: a very low-load 24/7 server will cost more in AWS than in a typical VPS setup [00:12] oh. [00:12] um, no it wouldn't, especially not with the aws free tier. [00:13] ? last I checked it was more expensive than $14/mo [00:15] really depends where you are getting the vps doesn't it [00:15] not much point in comparing really [00:15] the free tier is only good for 12 months... but it's nice to know it exists, I hadn't seen that before [00:16] in the case of what jo-erlend wants to do, it makes sense to compare [00:17] well jo-erlend originally didn't even want to use aws. [00:18] what's important to me is that I own my own data, that I can change to another service if I'm not happy and that the service provider doesn't much around with my system. [00:18] muck. [00:19] jo-erlend: well you have that. of course, like storing data with any 3rd party, you should do off site backups fo secure the data. [00:21] wow... they have overhauled the aws pricing system since I last looked at the details [00:22] far cheaper for a tiny low-usage instance than it used to be [00:22] btw; there are some things I would like to experiment with and those require a fairly low latency. Is there some place where I can test against an actual machine to see what latency to expect? [00:23] jo-erlend: what do you mean? you can run an instance and do whatever testing you want. [00:23] i feel like i've been feeding a troll for 2 hours [00:23] that's not my intention. [00:24] but I mean.. "western europe" can mean different things. [00:25] there is a command called ping [00:25] also this isn't the place for aws. this is for ubuntu cloud. for amazon, #aws please [00:27] yes, but the ping might be different between Norway and Sweden and between Norway and Spain, although all of them might be considered "western europe". [00:28] oh, great. Thanks. [00:29] sorry for drifting off topic. :) [00:29] it was mainly off topic for the last couple of hours heh [00:30] yes, you're right. I lost track :) [01:54] for anyone interested, I have updated http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image with 20 images across all 5 regions. [01:55] flaccid: just curious (not trying to start an argument here), but why do all of those images use root logins? [01:56] Coder7: because Debian doesn't have another user. the root user is secured with PKI, so its not a security issue. === fw0rd is now known as uterus === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond === koolhead171 is now known as koolhead17