[19:03] <knome> madnick, if you need something, can you just ask again? i can export stuff later today
[19:09] <madnick> knome: yep, i need the textbox and the dot, also i need your opinion, because the functionallity is done
[19:10] <madnick> knome: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu
[19:16] <knome> just give me a sec and i'll check those
[19:16] <madnick> :)
[19:17] <madnick> keep in mind that im not using your graphics for the passwords etc, so it looks a bit unpolished
[19:17] <knome> sure
[19:17] <madnick> also the fonts have changed
[19:18] <knome> hmm, the fsck font looks... stomped?
[19:18] <madnick> yeah
[19:18] <knome> otherwise everything in fsck2.ogg seems perfec
[19:18] <knome> +t
[19:19] <knome> i think less space between the dots would be nice
[19:19] <madnick> I changed to the default font, which I think is reasonable
[19:19] <madnick> okay
[19:19] <knome> i'll export you the textbox and the dots in a sec
[19:19] <madnick> but did you want in the textbox or above as in your draft?
[19:19] <knome> yeah
[19:20] <madnick> okay
[19:20] <knome> or i don't know
[19:20] <knome> maybe it's better to show the indicator/progress anyway
[19:20] <knome> that's actually pretty nice
[19:20] <madnick> yeah i acctually wanted to show that
[19:20] <knome> let's do it like you've done it
[19:20] <knome> yup, that's good
[19:20] <knome> is there any ways to get the default font look better??
[19:21] <madnick> We can acctually do different things at boot / shutdown also, but i had no ideas
[19:21] <madnick> i think the default fonts looks ok, its just a bit big
[19:21] <knome> it looks streched :(
[19:21] <madnick> yes, it is in this demo, i changed it
[19:21] <madnick> 1 sec
[19:21] <knome> sure
[19:22] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/inputbox.png
[19:22] <knome> and
[19:22] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/font.png
[19:22] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_plymouth/inputtext.png
[19:22] <madnick> thanks 
[19:23] <knome> okay, that's better. can you make the text smaller?
[19:23] <madnick> Thats the problem
[19:23] <madnick> I cannot set font size
[19:23] <madnick> I can scale
[19:23] <knome> also, i think as a message "Performing routine disk drive check..." would be better
[19:23] <knome> and a bit more polite...
[19:23] <madnick> sure
[19:23] <knome> can you scale both directions? :P
[19:24] <madnick> hehe yes
[19:24] <knome> then what about ~80% of that?
[19:24] <madnick> but keep in mind this: different screen sizes
[19:24] <madnick> it will be scaled according to that
[19:24] <madnick> When you boot 
[19:24] <knome> with bigger screens everything is bigger, or just the text?
[19:24] <madnick> So it will not be this big
[19:25] <knome> yeah, this big comparing to the other stuff
[19:25] <knome> can we lock text size at n points?
[19:25] <madnick> I will see what I can do :)
[19:25] <madnick> I will percentage scale it
[19:25] <knome> okay, thanks
[19:53] <madnick> hm, that creates a bug that makes no sense at all :P
[19:53] <knome> right
[19:54] <knome> bbl probably later today, but no idea if/when
[19:54] <knome> anyway, thanks again and see you!
[19:54] <madnick> cya
[19:55] <Unit193> I have no background in image processing or plymouth, but I love what you have done with it
[19:56] <madnick> Unit193: you can look at: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu also i hope that before the meeting, i will have the code completed in the updated version
[19:57] <Unit193> Aye, that I have open now. How much did you have to write? (How many lines might be better)
[19:58] <madnick> Its about 450 lines in the updated versoin
[20:00] <GridCube> :(
[20:00] <GridCube> :)
[20:00] <madnick> :o
[20:00] <GridCube> typoed
[20:00] <Unit193> Wouldn't that be a... Faco? XD
[20:01] <GridCube> oh today's meeting is in 2 more hours, i though i was late again
[20:02] <madnick> Yeah, so i hope i will have my theme almost done + tested on all machines again
[20:02] <madnick> :D
[20:02] <madnick> 2 hours is alot of time (not :()
[20:02] <GridCube> not indeed
[20:02] <GridCube> unless you are bored
[20:02] <madnick> true
[20:51] <madnick> at boot, (even with default resolution) "error: incompatiable license. vga=792 is deprecated. Use set gfxpayload="insert resolution / any is wrong" before linux command instead.
[20:52] <madnick> So I cannot test anything :( I dont know where this is logged either, if it is logged
[20:52] <charlie-tca> um, incompatible license shouldn't stop booting.
[20:52] <charlie-tca> vga= is pretty much obsolete now
[20:53] <charlie-tca> since they no longer use vesa and vga drivers, they use the frame buffers instead
[20:53] <charlie-tca> Should all be logged in either dmesg or xorg.log in /var/log
[20:54] <madnick> It was set by the package "startupmanager"
[20:54] <madnick> as per the ubuntu tutorial
[20:54] <madnick> Im trying to get the splash working at all costs 
[20:57] <charlie-tca> ubuntu tutorial is, like most stuff, Ubuntu oriented?
[20:57] <charlie-tca> It may or may not apply to Xubuntu
[20:57] <madnick> charlie-tca: the package is in xubuntu however
[20:57] <madnick> It is an utility for this purpose soley 
[20:59] <charlie-tca> All the packages in Ubuntu are in the repository for Xubuntu too, but that doesn't mean they work as tutorials are written for Ubuntu.
[20:59] <madnick> oh
[20:59] <charlie-tca> You have to modify things to make them work with Xubuntu and Xfce.
[21:01] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 60 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[21:02] <astraljava> I'll see if I can stay awake. Anyhoo, didn't have much time for testing since the last meeting. However, I now have my machines in the apartment, so testing on real hardware commences. :)
[21:03] <Unit193> madnick: It should work, but it has issues at times
[21:05] <madnick> Unit193: the splash?
[21:05] <charlie-tca> We didn't have images most days to test
[21:05] <Unit193> Startupmanager
[21:05] <madnick> ah
[21:05] <madnick> im doing manual edition now :)
[21:05] <Unit193> I got a few tests in
[21:08] <madnick> I've got it installed on all my machines + vms :P Just to get this splash thing to work 100%, then I can do more testing also
[21:51] <micahg> charlie-tca: I have to leave at 35 past
[21:51] <charlie-tca> Okay
[21:52] <charlie-tca> Not sure these sunday meetings are serving much purpose. We seem to get good participation on Mondays, and weak meetings on Sunday
[21:53] <knome> it's summer
[21:53] <knome> any day is bad
[21:57] <GridCube> :)
[21:57] <dscorzoni> why?
[21:58] <micahg> well, are the people who requested a sunday meeting attending?
[21:59] <GridCube> i am
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Okay, Are We Ready?
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Let's get started then, huh?
[22:00] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[22:00] <knome> micahg, i can't remember ;)
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Welcome to the Xubuntu Community Team meeting
[22:00] <charlie-tca> The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:01] <charlie-tca> * Old business
[22:01] <charlie-tca> * Team updates
[22:01] <charlie-tca>   * Packaging & Development
[22:01] <charlie-tca>   * Bug Triage & Testing
[22:01] <charlie-tca>   * Website & Marketing
[22:01] <charlie-tca>   * Artwork
[22:01] <charlie-tca>   * Documentation
[22:01] <charlie-tca> * Announcements
[22:01] <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
[22:01] <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business
[22:01] <charlie-tca> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[22:01] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC} [22:02] <charlie-tca>  * Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU - Carried Forward
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Still no time to dig for this. If anyone has time, feel free to jump on it.
[22:03] <charlie-tca>  * micahg to find what Ubuntu-desktop does with java in restricted-extras - Email sent
[22:03] <micahg> o/
[22:03] <charlie-tca> micahg: any response?
[22:03] <micahg> yeah, chatted with mvo, he's ok with moving it somewhere else, but the issue is space, I'm going to start a discussion on the desktop ML
[22:04] <micahg> it's already on the DVD
[22:04] <charlie-tca> But they removed it from the cd?
[22:04] <micahg> never was on the CD
[22:04] <charlie-tca> oh
[22:04] <charlie-tca> okay
[22:04] <charlie-tca> Thanks for following up on it
[22:05] <charlie-tca>  * GridCube to put together the "TOP 10" for Xubuntu
[22:05] <charlie-tca> GridCube: any update ?
[22:05] <GridCube> :) I just finished my exams this week, im starting that up
[22:05] <GridCube> will take some time tho
[22:05] <GridCube> ..
[22:06] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[22:06] <charlie-tca>  * start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc - Done
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I did this with mixed results
[22:06] <charlie-tca> ochosi: back yet?
[22:06] <charlie-tca> we got a lot of responses, most of which boil down to anything is fine, as long as it looks good and is changeable
[22:07] <GridCube> I think that most people just change it so they cant say what it looked on first install
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Well, that and the ones that don't are happy
[22:07] <charlie-tca>  * madnick to look into plymouth theme, with help from knome and ochosi for animations - Done
[22:07] <madnick> o/
[22:07] <charlie-tca> madnick: go ahead
[22:08] <madnick> I've been working all week with this and is close to done, and me and knome agree'd on some changes today
[22:08] <madnick> And I have been testing on ATI, Nvdia and no drivers, and it seems good
[22:08] <madnick> the stuff is here: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu for those interested in how it looks, opinions is nice
[22:08] <madnick> ..
[22:08] <charlie-tca> Great!
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Many thanks for taking that on and working it.
[22:09] <madnick> :)
[22:09] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: looks like we will have the plymouth splash working for us in Oneiric!
[22:09] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:09] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:09] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: Are you here?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> If not, micahg?
[22:10] <micahg> so, we're back under 700MB on the CDs again
[22:10] <micahg> the messaging indicator has returned in oneiric
[22:10] <charlie-tca> Yay!
[22:11] <micahg> still waiting on the desktop team for the new transmission and removal of libnotify1 from the CD (blocked on MIRs)
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Are we reverting evince?
[22:11] <micahg> any seed changes need to be done tonight for alpha3, otherwise, it'll wait until thursday
[22:12] <micahg> I reverted to evince in the seeds, but didn't bother doing an upload for it
[22:12] <micahg> so, epdfview is gone 
[22:12] <charlie-tca> okay, and pastebinit ?
[22:12] <micahg> oh, and we now ship a microblogging client (pidgin-microblog)
[22:13] <micahg> haven't added pastebinit yet, do we want that for alpha3?
[22:13] <charlie-tca> It can be done after alpha3, I just didn't want to forget it
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Anything we need a heads on for feature freeze exceptions?
[22:14] <micahg> are we making our own greeter or using the GTK greeter that lightdm provides?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> um, great question
[22:14] <charlie-tca> ochosi or knome got anything on that?
[22:14] <micahg> I'm not aware of anything else that will need an FFe
[22:15] <micahg> ochosi mentioned a new version of gmusicbrowser possibly
[22:15] <charlie-tca> I don't mind either way, but I would like lightdm to keep our usernames 
[22:15] <knome> hmm?
[22:15] <knome> about what?
[22:15] <charlie-tca> Do we have anyone working on a lightdm theme?
[22:16] <charlie-tca> or shall we keep the provided greeter?
[22:16] <knome> not yet at least
[22:16] <GridCube> if we have a plymouth theme we need a greeter too, just saying
[22:16] <madnick> i can look into that too, if you like
[22:16] <charlie-tca> well, it would be nice, but the one we are using isn't bad
[22:16] <charlie-tca> if you don't mind pink
[22:17] <micahg> we can customize a little once the config file is available (like no guest session)
[22:17] <charlie-tca> madnick: please do, if you have time
[22:17] <madnick> time is all i got :P
[22:17] <charlie-tca> Yeah, the guest session fails for Xubuntu
[22:18] <micahg> ..
[22:18] <charlie-tca> Thank you, micahg 
[22:18] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] madnick to look into building a lightdm greeter
[22:19] <charlie-tca> Any questions for packaging and development?
[22:19] <GridCube> no
[22:19] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:20] <charlie-tca> We should be seeing more bug reports against oneiric
[22:20] <charlie-tca> Testing has had issues, mostly with no images
[22:20] <charlie-tca> We now have a live session, but you must restart and install from the cd menu
[22:20] <Unit193> As there haven't been working ones this week, I haven't tested all that much
[22:20] <charlie-tca> Alpha3 candidates will be tested this week, starting Tuesday
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Any questions/comments for Testing and Bugs?
[22:21] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:21] <pleia2> o/
[22:22] <charlie-tca> pleia2: go ahead, please
[22:22] <pleia2> beardygnome wrote another awesome review which I replied to here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-July/007898.html
[22:22] <pleia2> fixed most things, but I asked some questions there, particularly about documentation and translations stuff I don't understand (so can't fix on the site)
[22:23] <charlie-tca> I thought I answered those, maybe it was only in my mind :(
[22:23] <pleia2> charlie-tca: that's was the first review :)
[22:23] <pleia2> this is the second review!
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Reviews are hard to keep up with, I guess
[22:23] <pleia2> no need to reply now, just wanted to mention that it's hanging out there
[22:24] <charlie-tca> I will go find it and send out some responses, even if they are wrong
[22:24] <pleia2> thank you
[22:24] <pleia2> knome: any updates on wordpress theme?
[22:25] <pleia2> there is also an outstanding bug that the site isn't translatable, if someone familiar with doing translations and wordpress is around I'd be interested in talking to them about how to handle the site moving forward
[22:26] <pleia2> (or if anyone knows someone)
[22:26] <pleia2> ..
[22:26] <charlie-tca> Hopefully, it will be easier to translate than drupal
[22:26] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much, pleia2 
[22:26] <charlie-tca> Any questions for website?
[22:27] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:27] <charlie-tca> ochosi is on holiday.
[22:27] <charlie-tca> We covered the plymouth and lightdm parts
[22:27] <charlie-tca> anything else for artwork?
[22:28] <GridCube> O/
[22:28] <charlie-tca> go ahead, GridCube 
[22:28] <GridCube> bug 800918
[22:28] <GridCube> XD im still bothering people whit this
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Always good to stay on top of things you want
[22:28] <madnick> o/
[22:29] <charlie-tca> We might have to get micahg and mr_pouit on that soon
[22:29] <charlie-tca> madnick: go ahead
[22:29] <GridCube> ok :) thanks
[22:29] <madnick> what "mode" are we using for lightdm? webkit? or like gtk?
[22:30] <micahg> madnick: I'd say GTK
[22:30] <madnick> micahg: thanks
[22:30] <madnick> ..
[22:31] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:32] <charlie-tca>  * The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-08-08 at 19:00 UTC
[22:32] <charlie-tca>  * Important dates coming up:
[22:32] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Alpha 3: August 4, 2011
[22:32] <charlie-tca>    * soft freeze will be August 1 at 1200 UTC
[22:32] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011
[22:32] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[22:32] <charlie-tca>   * UDS-P will be in Orlando, Florida the week of October 31 - Nov 4. Please apply for sponsorship by August 24.
[22:32] <charlie-tca>   * UDS-P information at http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/
[22:33] <charlie-tca> Did I miss anything?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:33] <micahg> o/
[22:33] <GridCube> o/
[22:33] <charlie-tca> o/
[22:33] <charlie-tca> Go ahead, micahg 
[22:34] <micahg> we should try to get the defaults down this week so we can test drive them right after alpha3 (like next Monday maybe we can vote/decide/draw straws)
[22:34] <micahg> ..
[22:34] <charlie-tca> sure thing
[22:35] <charlie-tca> I would guess the biggest one is whether to replace gimp. 
[22:35]  * astraljava can assist on that, if needed
[22:35] <charlie-tca> GridCube: go ahead
[22:35] <GridCube> thats what i wanted to talk about, replacing gimp.
[22:35] <charlie-tca> sure
[22:35] <GridCube> i think the best idea yet is getting a superior replacement for ristretto
[22:36] <GridCube> making gimp superflous
[22:36] <charlie-tca> Thank you for the comparison chart
[22:36] <charlie-tca> You mean something for viewing, or something like shotwell or gthumb?
[22:36] <GridCube> I'm thinking on dividing it now, one for viewers whit edition capabilities
[22:36] <GridCube> i guess shotwell and gthum 
[22:37] <GridCube> kind of programs should be the ones considered
[22:37] <GridCube> whit media sharing capabilities would made them a huge plus
[22:37] <GridCube> then having gimp, or not, wont matter anymore
[22:37] <charlie-tca> I can agree with that. To better serve the current technology of today, we really should have something capable of photo viewing, downloading, and editing
[22:38] <charlie-tca> but I still like gimp
[22:38] <GridCube> sure, but its for a single file working
[22:38] <charlie-tca> any comments on adding a photo editor?
[22:38] <beardygnome> i like gimp too, but it think it is too much for the default
[22:39] <charlie-tca> which one is better, gthumb or shotwell?
[22:39] <GridCube> will do a comparison chart for them
[22:39] <charlie-tca> or something else? what do you people with cameras use?
[22:39] <charlie-tca> Thanks, GridCube 
[22:39] <beardygnome> shotwell is more of a photo library like picasa than a photo viewer/editor
[22:39] <GridCube> we need to come whit some "what do we want it to do" comparison points
[22:40] <GridCube> yes i think that too
[22:40] <beardygnome> so i'd say gthumb
[22:40]  * astraljava always loved gthumb
[22:40] <charlie-tca> Do we need a comparison chart then?
[22:40] <beardygnome> but i use gpicview personally
[22:40] <charlie-tca> oh
[22:41] <GridCube> i do use gpicview
[22:41] <GridCube> i would rather see it installed instead of ristretto, at least,
[22:41] <charlie-tca> micahg: will we need a freeze exception to change seeds for this?
[22:42] <beardygnome> GridCube: i remove ristretto as son as install xubuntu :-)
[22:42] <astraljava> Didn't he say he had to leave?
[22:42] <charlie-tca> yes, but I was hoping 
[22:42] <astraljava> But I would think not, feature freeze is still a couple of weeks from now.
[22:42] <charlie-tca> It is the week after alpha3
[22:42] <astraljava> Oh, so 1½ weeks from now?
[22:43] <charlie-tca> GridCube: I think we can skip the comparison. I will discuss this with mr_pouit and micahg directly
[22:43] <charlie-tca> astraljava: yes
[22:43] <GridCube> ok
[22:43] <GridCube> I propose changing ristretto for gpicview should do it for now
[22:43] <charlie-tca> Any negative votes on gpicview?
[22:44] <astraljava> How big dependency-line does it have?
[22:44] <charlie-tca> about 10
[22:45] <astraljava> Oh, not that big. Should fall within already-provided category.
[22:45] <charlie-tca> we have them already
[22:45] <astraljava> Only 6, cool.
[22:45] <charlie-tca> Does gpicview allow cropping and resizing photos?
[22:45] <beardygnome> no, it's just a viewer
[22:46] <GridCube> just rotates them
[22:46] <beardygnome> better than ristretto, imo
[22:46]  * charlie-tca thinks of the possiblity of keeping gimp and having gpicview
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will get with the devs on it then
[22:47] <charlie-tca> anything else?
[22:47] <GridCube> not from me :) Just thanks again to all of you for making xubuntu
[22:47] <astraljava> Sorry, still on the photo issue;
[22:48] <charlie-tca> I have been working to revise the Xubuntu Strategy Document. It does a poor job of getting a new leader chosen.
[22:48] <astraljava> gpicview + gimp exceeds 5M, while gthumb is less than 1M (whatever size apt-cache gives)
[22:48] <charlie-tca> but we have room
[22:48] <astraljava> Oh, okay. Carry on, then. :D
[22:48] <astraljava> ..
[22:48] <charlie-tca> If the only reason to replace gimp is cd space, we have no issue
[22:49] <charlie-tca> I have sent emails out to both mailing lists requesting comments on my proposed change to the Strategy Document. 
[22:49] <GridCube> :) im trying gthumb now and it can do everything needed on the chart, rotates, crops, changes formats etc...
[22:49] <charlie-tca> It gives clear guidance on how the next project leader will be selected.
[22:50] <GridCube> I've read them, still i do not understand them :(
[22:50] <charlie-tca> I am giving a two week comment period for it. I will publish the email again in one week
[22:50] <charlie-tca> GridCube: the changes I propose?
[22:50] <GridCube> the whole thing, its too technical and legalical
[22:51] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:51] <charlie-tca> we have to keep it that way to cover the legal end of things
[22:51] <GridCube> oh the new one is easier to read
[22:52] <GridCube> :D good luck whit that
[22:52] <charlie-tca> basically, I am proposing that the launchpad team Xubuntu Users will elect the Project Lead by a simple vote
[22:52] <charlie-tca> Majority of votes will win, second highest vote count will be interim lead if needed
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Only those people belonging to Xubuntu Users will be allowed to vote for the Project Lead
[22:53] <GridCube> I see
[22:53] <GridCube> :) thanks for clearing that 
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Please send you comments by reply to the mailing lists, either for or against the change
[22:53] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: that's a change to the current process, right?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:54] <charlie-tca> current process is kind of sketchy.
[22:54] <charlie-tca> Current process:
[22:54] <charlie-tca> The Xubuntu project lead serves a term of three releases after which he
[22:54] <charlie-tca> or she must seek reconfirmation from the Xubuntu community via a public
[22:54] <charlie-tca> meeting. If consesus is unable to be found, the matter is referred to
[22:54] <charlie-tca> the Ubuntu Community Council.
[22:55] <charlie-tca> I think that leaves it pretty much difficult to follow
[22:55] <charlie-tca> How did that project lead get there in the first place?
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Any questions?
[22:56] <charlie-tca> GridCube: Are we wanting to compare gthumb and gpicview?
[22:57] <GridCube> If you wish, its pretty straight foward, gpicview can do 6 things, gthumb sevel dozens
[22:57] <beardygnome> i think that's like comparing apples and oranges....
[22:57] <beardygnome> gpicview is just a viewer
[22:58] <GridCube> those 6 things gpicview does are pretty useful tho, it rotates images, and moves trough a directory, and saves formats you wish
[22:58] <beardygnome> i think we should compare gpicview with ristretto
[22:58] <charlie-tca> okay, lets do it the comparison chart then
[22:58] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] GridCube to do comparison chart for gpicview, ristretto, gthumb
[22:58] <GridCube> :D will do it now
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Anything else to discuss?
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Thank you all for attending this meeting. 
[22:59] <GridCube> beardygnome, said something about oranges an apples, we should see about that :P
[22:59] <charlie-tca> We need participants to have a successful Xubuntu Operating System!
[22:59] <charlie-tca> I tried comparing apples and oranges. Apples won here
[23:00] <charlie-tca> I much prefer them over oranges
[23:00] <GridCube> indeed, you cant make and orange pie, it just doesnt work
[23:00] <charlie-tca> apples can be eaten after washing, oranges can not
[23:01] <charlie-tca> sorry, beardygnome 
[23:01]  * charlie-tca just had to say it
[23:01] <charlie-tca> anything else?
[23:01] <knome> why can't you wash oranges and then eat them?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> the skin is kind of bitter
[23:01] <knome> but it's edible
[23:02] <charlie-tca> depends on what you are used to, I guess
[23:02] <astraljava> Sure, but it's used as a flavor in some dishes. :)
[23:02] <knome> it is edible in theory at least
[23:02] <charlie-tca> I have used it in cooking, but not raw
[23:02] <beardygnome> better in marmalade than on its own...
[23:02] <knome> i prefer apples anyway
[23:02]  * astraljava too
[23:02] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: apples win
[23:02] <knome> some people think that even apples can't be eaten with the skin
[23:03] <charlie-tca> true, when I lived in Korea, we peeled everything
[23:03] <charlie-tca> Can we close this meeting now?
[23:03] <astraljava> ..
[23:03] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[23:03] <charlie-tca> not to cut anyone off, but... 
[23:03] <knome> i was referring to the global, not the we're-in-korea-and-we-might-die-eating-the-apple-peel effect
[23:04] <charlie-tca> oh, well, yeah, that too
[23:04] <charlie-tca> You want that included in the minutes?
[23:04] <GridCube> hahaha
[23:04] <knome> if you please ;)
[23:04] <charlie-tca> I can do that
[23:04] <knome> thanks, much appreciated
[23:05] <charlie-tca> no problem. 
[23:05] <knome> i think that might be one of the best of my contributions to that meeting
[23:05] <charlie-tca> I didn't mean to cut you off, anyway
[23:05] <knome> or any other meeting too
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Yes, I can see that being important
[23:08] <astraljava> It's really funny when you think about it. You really can't compare Apple(s) with Orange(s). The other is a hardware/software manufacturer, the other being an ISP.
[23:08] <astraljava> And with that, I leave you baffled, completely mindblown. G'night!
[23:09] <knome> night astraljava 
[23:14] <charlie-tca> oh, I forgot. We need a news bulletin for alpha3
[23:14] <charlie-tca> plantoschka: can you?
[23:23] <Unit193> We going to have "And apples are better than oranges" in the meeting minutes? :P
[23:25] <Unit193> One after meeting question: Are we going to set a last join time to Xubuntu-Users where you will take votes? I.E. If I join the week of/day before voting, does it still count?
[23:25] <madnick> lightdm looks neat, looking at lightdm-gtk-greeter.c
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Unit193: yes, we do not delete any comments from the logs
[23:29] <charlie-tca> Unit193: yes, it still counts, since there is no specific time frame required
[23:29] <micahg> charlie-tca: re FFe> eh, well, I'd venture to say no, but I'd probably ask anyways
[23:29] <charlie-tca> Thank you, micahg 
[23:30] <charlie-tca> If possible, madnick, we should not have to modify the actual files, but there should be a configuration file we can change to point at our own version of the greeter. 
[23:30] <madnick> oh okay
[23:30] <charlie-tca> We are using lightdm-greeter-gtk now, AFAIK
[23:31] <charlie-tca> That should be a config file, but I am not sure
[23:32] <charlie-tca> madnick: at the same time, they did just make some changes to lightdm, and the old config got thrown out
[23:32] <madnick> but, are the devs gonna do something to lightdm-greeter-gtk?
[23:33] <madnick> ah
[23:33] <charlie-tca> I don't know now. They changed the files this last week
[23:35] <micahg> we would just seed our greeter instead of the one provided by lightdm
[23:36] <micahg> actually, it's lightdm-gtk-greeter now
[23:36] <charlie-tca> So we should have maybe lightdm-xubuntu-greeter?
[23:36] <micahg> if we want to make one
[23:36] <charlie-tca> madnick: making sense?
[23:37] <madnick> Yes, but it might not be needed, the greeter.ui seems fairly costumizable
[23:38] <charlie-tca> it is. We just want to make sure we don't modify the actual application, just the added greeter
[23:38] <madnick> yeah
[23:44] <madnick> okay, so this is a later issue then so i just keep testing the splash, charlie-tca have you tried it anymore?
[23:45] <charlie-tca> No, I don't know what to do to make it work
[23:45] <charlie-tca> I get blank screens here, except on shutdown
[23:45] <madnick> Just with my theme?
[23:45] <charlie-tca> no, with the original theme and yours
[23:46] <charlie-tca> I get the same no matter what I try
[23:46] <madnick> i had that issue here, when i was installing "manually", instead of running --install
[23:47] <madnick> It may infact have been a coincident, it could've been something else I did in that process
[23:48] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I can't get a splash before I try anything
[23:49] <madnick> I've got it tested on alot of machines, but I still have no machine with cryptsetup, I tried in a VM, but I got that video error, i removed vga= and still got "incompatible license"
[23:50] <charlie-tca> VM can't use plymouth properly. That is a fault of the VM itself
[23:51] <charlie-tca> Since most Virtual Machines do not use the hardware video card, they don't use the frame buffer properly
[23:53] <madnick> i see
[23:57] <madnick> I wonder what the status quo of hardware virtualization is, i think soon these stuff should be possible, sure would make life easier 
[23:58] <Unit193> The only hardware I can test it on has 8xx chipset video card :/
[23:59] <madnick> :)