[07:55] <trijntje> Hi all, who can tell me what program is responsible for trawing the 'shutdown' button in the top right? I want to report a bug but I dont know for what package
[10:01] <trijntje> Hi all, who can tell me what program is responsible for trawing the 'shutdown' button in the top right? I want to report a bug (for oneiric) but I dont know for what package
[10:01] <trijntje> *drawing
[10:56] <ruhil> trijntje, it is the unity package which draws the shutdown button
[11:18] <jbicha> ruhil, trijntje: I'm pretty sure it's actually indicator-session
[11:32] <trijntje> ruhil, jbicha do you know of any way to test which one it is? I've tried killing indicator-session-service but it respawns
[11:33] <jbicha> trijntje: sudo apt-get purge indicator-session & probably logging out & back in should prove that it's indicator-session
[11:44] <trijntje> jbicha: you are right, after removing indicator-session* the shutdown button disappears
[11:44] <jbicha> trijntje: well make sure to reinstall it :-)
[11:46] <trijntje> jbicha: yeah, ill just reboot now to get it back, hard to logoff without that applet
[11:49] <dnp> is there a MinimalCd for Oneiric ?
[11:52]  * ruhil is sorry for providing wrong information
[11:53] <jbicha> dnp: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[12:06] <dnp> jbicha: Thanks....went to the 32bit ver at -- http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ ....but there are two mini.iso....the other inside /gtk....what is the difference
[12:06] <jbicha> well, do you want gtk or not?
[12:07] <jbicha> besides that I don't know as I've never used the mini.iso but notice the filesize difference
[12:15] <dnp> Oh  had no idea what gtk stands for.....found this-- http://www.gtk.org/ -- its a toolkit to create GUI, right?......is it necessory for an end user who is not a programmer?
[12:19] <dnp> i'm trying to create a minimal vm that can run kile
[12:22] <jbicha> dnp: kile is KDE, right? then you don't have any need for gtk
[12:28] <dnp> yep....downloading the smaller iso......thanks!
[12:33] <jpds> dnp: I answered you in #ubuntu
[12:34] <jpds> The mini.iso will probably not do what you want.
[12:52] <dnp> jpds: i was able to set it with Natty mini.iso........mini.iso cmd line install + xorg + kde in a vm on vista
[12:53] <dnp> Are you saying the Oneiric one will not work as it is still alpha?
[12:56] <jpds> Nevermind.
[13:08] <smoser> Hey all.
[13:08] <smoser> I'm logged into unity
[13:08] <smoser> i click on the date
[13:09] <smoser> (in the top panel)
[13:09] <smoser> then, i try to see other months via the '<' or '>' buttons, but they do nothing
[13:09] <smoser> basically i can only look at the current month.
[13:12] <zniavre> hello
[13:13] <zniavre> using OO with gnome-classic im wondering if everybody get the blank window calendar too ?
[13:13] <zniavre> (from panel applet*)
[13:15] <zniavre> also if the nm-applet get his icon ?
[13:17] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/77UcI.png
[14:04] <WaltherFI> Anyone else had problems with thunderbird & empathy with the google authentication?
[14:21] <anadon> I updated 11.10, and the system hangs after it checks the battery state (says its ok).  I cannot access GRUB either to use a different kernel.  SUggestions how to fix?  Do I need to report this?
[14:29] <anadon> hello?
[14:30] <Pici> anadon: I think I remember someone else reporting a similar issue, let me check my logs.
[14:31] <Pici> anadon: Do you use fglrx?
[14:31] <anadon> not that I know of
[14:32] <anadon> If it is, I didn't put it there
[14:32] <anadon> Actually, because its mostly a fresh install, I'd be willing to let someone probe my computer
[14:32] <anadon> I have nothing on it
[14:32] <anadon> :/
[14:33] <anadon> 5 installs in 2 days...and a dead disk
[14:33] <anadon> my data is GONE
[14:33] <Pici> :/
[14:33] <anadon> mumble mumble
[14:36] <anadon> I'll be back, bcasue I need to get my box working
[14:36] <anadon> and get windows on it
[14:36] <anadon> and PC-BSD
[14:36] <anadon> and plan 9
[14:36] <Pici> Good luck.
[14:36] <anadon> and an empty part....
[14:37] <anadon> Its gonna be a bitch like none other....
[14:37] <anadon> so many boot loaders, so little compatability....
[14:39] <ikonia> all those OS's can be booted from 1 boot loader
[14:58] <burner> are the nvidia drivers supposed to be working right now?  I had to use nouveau to get X
[15:12] <bjsnider> the nvidia drivers work
[15:29] <ior3k> burner: you may have to do aptitude reinstall nvidia-current after you install a new kernel
[15:29] <ior3k> that's how I got it working again
[16:00] <Ian_Corne> what ior3k said
[16:00]  * burner tries, thanks
[17:25] <alkisg> My lightdm autologin broke (I didn't touch anything, only updated), known issue?
[17:27] <trism> alkisg: if you edited /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf before upgrading to lightdm 0.9, there was some renaming in the config options, your best bet is to copy /usr/share/doc/lightdm/lightdm.conf to /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and make your edits there
[17:28] <alkisg> trism: thank you, I'll check that file, but no, I didn't edit it. I had enabled autologin in installation/ubiquity
[17:28] <alkisg> 2 months or so ago
[17:31] <alkisg> Ah, default-user has been renamed to autologin-user, and that has broken the default-user that ubiquity has put there
[17:32] <alkisg> I'll fix it manually, thank you
[19:06] <kjeldahl_> So it seems xorg-edgers update today really broke my oneiric kernel based natty installation. Anybody aware of any simple workarounds? Everything was honky dory until today... Yeah, I'm running a bastard system due to sandy bridge and recent atheros wifi chipsets not being supported in natty...
[19:40] <Troy^> will gnome 2.3 and 3 be available in 11.10?
[19:41] <Pici> I don'
[19:41] <Pici> I don't believe that 2.3 will.  3 is there already.
[19:42] <Troy^> aww so how does one being such a big gnome 2.3 lover going to subsitute any recommendations?
[19:42] <Pici> Aparrently there are some ways to get gnome3 looking like 2.3.
[19:43] <robin0800> Troy^, but you have to install gnome shell to use it as else there's only unity 3d and unity 2d
[19:43] <Troy^> oh so gnome 3 doesnt officially come with 11.10?
[19:44] <Pici> Its in the repositories, but is not the default desktop environment.
[19:44] <Troy^> ok
[19:44] <Troy^> might switch to xfce or enlightenment
[19:46] <Pici> I'm trying out KDE myself.
[19:47] <Troy^> never been a kde fan
[19:48] <Pici> Me either, but KDE4 is at least shiny.
[19:49] <Troy^> kde looks really awful looking from screenshots lol
[19:58] <Troy^> i retract that statement http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/My+Kubuntu+Desktop?content=143875 looks decent
[21:11] <anadon> Hey, I updated 11.10 last night and GRUB options aren't available and the new kernel can't boot.  The system hangs after a successful check of the battery state.  What do I need to do?
[21:16] <yofel> anadon: if it shows checking battery state then the kernel booted fine but probably X didn't come up, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:17] <kjeldahl_> anadon: Not sure if it's related or not, but I'm running natty with a oneiric 3.0 kernel, which also stopped shortly after boot (with capslock flashing). Happened just after X got updated (and I'm running xorg-edgers), so that's my primary suspect. Fortunately, grub still works and I have older natty kernels running normally (with all the warts with running natty on a modern sandybridge system, meaning wifi barely working).
[21:17] <kjeldahl_> .. today this happened I should add.
[21:21] <anadon> kk
[21:22] <anadon> what am I looking for in the log?
[21:22] <yofel> any lines with EE
[21:23] <anadon> Couldn't load "nv" module
[21:24] <anadon> dir  /dev/fb0 doesn't exist
[21:25] <anadon> NVIDIA kernel mod didn't load
[21:25] <anadon> can't find a screen in a usable configuration
[21:26] <anadon> so...nvidia sucks is what I'm getting out of this.
[21:28] <anadon> hello?
[21:33] <kjeldahl_> anadon: With regards to Nvidia, I agree (and they used to be the linux hero, go figure). But considering my trouble today as well, I'm inclined to think something happened in Xorg land. Pure speculation of course.
[21:33] <kjeldahl_> anadon: And nv is the open source driver anyway, isn't it?
[21:36] <anadon> idk
[21:36] <anadon> new-ish to this level of development
[21:37] <anadon> I'm only a college sophmore
[21:37] <anadon> granted, I know the most of my class, but still lack experiance
[21:37] <anadon> that, and my uni sucks
[21:37] <anadon> wow, that came out WAY wrong...
[21:39] <kjeldahl_> anadon: Unless you have a very specific reason for running 11.10, I think you may be better off using 11.04. Upgrading in Ubuntu land is usually very easy anyway, so you do not have to do a clean reinstall when 11.10 is finally ready.
[21:41] <kjeldahl_> The only reason I mix oneiric into this, is poor Sandy Bridge support in older releases, including audio trouble and crappy at the level of virtually not working wifi (well, an Atheros problem, but still). If 11.04 had worked fine, I would have stuck with it...
[21:42] <kjeldahl_> good night all
[22:35] <Troy^> kjeldahl_: are you having a atheros network device problem as well?
[22:36] <Troy^> so when the time comes to upgrade from ubuntu 11.04 to 11.10 how easy is it?
[22:40] <charlie-tca> The upgrade is easy. just run update-manager after release
[22:40] <charlie-tca> right now, update-manager -d will upgrade
[22:41] <robin0800> charlie-tca, yes that's the official line but will you have problems? that's something else
[22:42] <charlie-tca> In response to "how easy is it to upgrade"? it is very easy
[22:42] <charlie-tca> If you don't have problems in 11.04, you probably won't have them in 11.10 either, when it is released
[22:44] <charlie-tca> If you upgrade now, it is still in alpha, you expect to have problems
[22:45] <robin0800> charlie-tca, I can't get gnome3 to work even though I've installed gnome shell it crashes all the time and is unusable
[22:46] <Daekdroom> Alpha.
[22:46] <charlie-tca> um, it is alpha.
[22:46] <charlie-tca> see above, if you upgrade now, you expect to have problems
[22:46] <Troy^> ok, sounds good the only thing i have problem with is it seems that when im downloading torrents abut every 10 minutes i loose internet connection, then i have to disconnect and reconnt with router to get connection this is 11.04 btw. Atheros 9285
[22:47] <Troy^> i thought maybe a driver problem
[23:26] <alex_mayorga> how do I "restart" an unresponsive touchpad?