[07:30] <janimo> GrueMaster, ok, wifi works for me too now on panda/headless. network-manager was interfering with ifup, that's why it was behaving erratically
[10:52] <siji> persia, hi
[11:09] <siji> Hi All
[12:24] <siji> t
[13:11] <siji> persia,
[13:12] <siji> u there?
[13:13] <siji> friends, am trying to make, autostart fro xbmc with ubuntu LXDE
[13:13] <siji> And it's starts working but keyboard and mouse is not working
[13:14] <siji> i have added xbmc entry at  /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
[13:14] <siji> So any idea why the mouse and keyboard is not working ?
[13:54] <rOxx> Hello, i have installed the natty image on my sd card and now i want to build a new kernel. i found the linux-headers in the folder /usr/src, but i need the linux-source too ? is this right ? someone can help me ? it is the first time that i build a kernel
[13:58] <siji> lot of things are missing ...
[13:59] <siji> you can build kernel from your host pc
[14:01] <siji> r0xx, which processor /board you are using ?
[14:01] <siji> why you want to build the kernel from source ?
[14:02] <rOxx> yes this is my idear, i want to download the files to my beagle, after that copy the files to my host pc, cross compile a new kernel and copy the uImage to the SD-Card.
[14:02] <rOxx> im using the beagleboard xm (rev. A)
[14:03] <rOxx> i want to build a new kernel, because i want to deactivate the kernel pinmux, i made the pin changes in the bootloader
[14:04] <ogra_> ugh
[14:05] <ogra_> in any case if you want to recompile the omap3 kernel, just do: apt-get source linux; sudo apt-get build-dep linux
[14:06] <ogra_> omap3 is built from the linux package
[14:08] <rOxx> ogra: do you mean "sudo apt-get install linux-source" to get the sources ?
[14:15] <rOxx> or can i build a new kernel with the "linux-headers-2.6.38-8-omap" and "linux-headers-2.6.38-8" ?
[14:24] <rOxx> i want to use the old config file to build the kernel and only change the OMAP multiplexing support there, because i made the pinmux changes in the bootloader
[14:45] <rOxx> someone can help me with compiling a kernel for the beagleboard xm (rev.A) ? i only want to deactivate the OMAP multiplexing support, because i made this changes in the boot loader
[15:32] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: bug 656410, if it's timer and not USB related I'm tending to think it's critical - needs a major push from where it is, what do you think?
[15:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 656410 in launchpad "connection not closed with time-out" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/656410
[15:36] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: What???  That is a firefox/launchpad bug.
[15:37] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: let's try again ;)  bug 709245
[15:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-ti-omap4 "panda: USB disk IO slow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245
[15:40] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: By the nature of Arm, we cannot mark them as critical (yet).    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance "Critical: A bug which has a severe impact on a large portion of Ubuntu users."
[15:41] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: oh, good point
[15:41] <ogra_> should be high (as it is)
[15:42] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: so is there a way to get more focus on this?  I can't tell if it's actively being worked or not
[15:42] <ogra_> critical would be rather arch independent ... i.e. "udev formats your / if it finds it ..."
[15:43] <GrueMaster> Yea, something like that may be bad.
[15:43] <ogra_> its actively being researched since three releases
[15:43] <ogra_> so dont expect quick solutions here ... it has been filed late though
[15:44] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: It may not be getting that much attention here, but It is getting a large amount of eyes looking at the issues from other groups (Android, Fedora, #pandaboard, etc).
[15:45] <GrueMaster> It appears to be more widespread than just Ubuntu on Omap4.
[15:45] <ogra_> yeah
[15:45] <mahmoh> well, I'm guessing it's going to something that's going to hurt us soon if we don't find a fix, just want to ensure it has the right eyes on it like davidm or NCommander's
[15:47] <GrueMaster> mahmoh: It has top engineers at TI looking at it.  And yes, davidm & NCommander are both monitoring it as well (but since neither are kernel developers...)
[15:48] <ogra_> mahmoh, its a longstanding problem with the panda, dont worry
[15:48] <GrueMaster> The bug is filed.  At this point, the best you and I can do is monitor the bug for additional changes, and document any new findings we may come across.
[15:48] <davidm> mahmoh, Andy Green from Linaro TI Landing team is well aware and we are escalating to TI this week
[15:48] <mahmoh> it's not just the panda and not just USB
[15:49] <davidm> But it is beginning to look like a hardware issue :-/
[15:49] <davidm> it
[15:49] <mahmoh> davidm: thx
[15:49] <davidm> is is a chip used on Pandaboards and Beagleboards
[15:50] <ogra_> mahmoh, what else is "it" beyond panda ?
[15:50] <ogra_> did you see it on non-TI hardware ?
[15:50] <mahmoh> ^^^
[15:51] <GrueMaster> ogra_: I have seen others mention the issue on the nVidia Tegra2 Dev platform.
[15:52] <GrueMaster> Not confirmed, but mentioned.
[15:52] <mahmoh> not yet but it's definitely omap, originally thought only to be USB, not more, concerned it may be ARM/Kernel related but have no idea
[15:52] <GrueMaster> It is believed to be an issue with the SMC USB hub.
[15:52] <ogra_> intresting
[15:53] <ogra_> i cant see any issues with the ac100 (that doesnt say anything about other tegras with other peripherials indeed)
[15:53] <lilstevie> I have good speed USB on the transformer
[15:53] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: does anyone here have this tegra dev platform to verify?
[15:54] <mahmoh> does anyone here have this tegra dev platform to verify?
[15:54] <jburkholder> janimo: thanks
[15:54] <GrueMaster> Not me.  I have a different tegra dev board but haven't set it up for testing.
[15:54] <GrueMaster> But I doubt mine has this issue.
[16:14] <mahmoh> GrueMaster: it might be interesting to double check if you had time, I don't think you do
[16:15] <GrueMaster> I don't this week.  Release testing and last minute push to finish work items for A3.
[16:15] <ogra_> well, who cares about dev boards anyway, as long as the production devices dont expose the issue ;)
[16:15] <ogra_> (which they apparently dont, at least for two devices)
[16:15] <GrueMaster> ogra_: Not a whole lot of production systems with the necessary hardware to test.
[16:16] <ogra_> there are tens of tegra based production devices out there ;(
[16:16] <ogra_> err
[16:16] <ogra_> ;)
[16:16] <GrueMaster> And how many of those have both USB & ethernet on the same hub device?
[16:17] <ogra_> and for two we have verified it doesnt occur
[16:17] <ogra_> ??
[16:17] <ogra_> did you read the recent comments on the bug ?
[16:17] <ogra_> its very likely its not usb related at all
[16:18] <lilstevie> and tbh dev devices are not as important as making sure that consumer devices are fine
[16:18] <ogra_> since also Sd cards are significantly slower than on other systems
[16:19] <ogra_> i would love to get a rooted playbook in my hands to actually test omap4 on a production device with our images :O
[16:19] <lilstevie> running from sd was hell slow on my class 2 card fir the transformer
[16:19] <ogra_> but you dont get rooted playbooks anywhere
[16:20] <lilstevie> ogra_: do playbooks even have kernel source
[16:20] <ogra_> lilstevie, but your class2 SD wont be faster on other HW either ;)
[16:20] <lilstevie> ogra_: very true
[16:20] <ogra_> playbooks are omap4, they shouldnt be to far from the panda
[16:20] <lilstevie> ah
[16:20] <ogra_> surely they arent identical
[16:21] <lilstevie> would be interesting on loading your own kernel
[16:21] <ogra_> but i bet you could boot to a graphics-less system with the omap4 kernel
[16:21] <lilstevie> wonder how the QNX kernel loads
[17:22] <rOxx> someone can help me with cross compiling a kernel for the beagleboard xm (rev.A) ? i only want to disablethe OMAP multiplexing support, because i made this changes in the boot loader