[01:05] <paultag> mhall119: cjohnston: How long does it take for a new locoteam to get on loco.ubuntu.com ?
[01:06] <paultag> does the manage script run on a cron?
[01:16] <mhall119> paultag: yes
[01:17] <mhall119> paultag: looks like it runs ever 20 minutes
[01:38] <paultag> mhall119: Ubuntu oregon was asking, they don't seem to be comming up :)
[01:41] <cjohnston> when were they added
[01:42] <paultag> cjohnston: yesterday
[01:42] <paultag> morning
[01:42] <paultag> a bit longer then 20 minutes
[01:43] <paultag> wonder if the script is failing
[01:43] <paultag> (I mean in a significany way, it's clearly already failing)
[01:46] <cjohnston> mhall119: /
[01:46] <cjohnston> ?
[01:46] <cjohnston> i know cranberry has been having issues
[01:46] <cjohnston> so maybe thats part of it
[01:46] <paultag> figured I'd ought to let ya'll know
[01:57] <cjohnston> I guess dominican republic too
[06:38] <dpm> good morning all
[06:40] <duanedesign> o/
[06:40] <nigelb> Morning!
[07:37] <huats> morning
[08:07] <kim0> Morning all
[08:09] <jussi> you know, half this channels traffic is "morning" :D
[08:09] <kim0> lol :)
[08:10] <nigelb> hehe
[08:10] <nigelb> also hugs
[08:10] <nigelb> but dholbach is on vacation :P
[08:11] <kim0> hehe :)
[08:13] <nigelb> the rest is comments from jono, jcastro, kim0, and dholbach during their call :P
[08:18] <jussi> nigelb: nah, not "during", but organising said call
[08:19] <jussi> nigelb: and you realised you just pinged all those people... (although i do give you that 2 arent in the channel)
[08:25] <nigelb> jussi: I do realize that :P
[09:35] <Daviey> morning o/
[09:39] <nigelb> Daviey: o/
[11:09] <czajkowski> off irc for nearly 4 days come back to some weird pings, as loco council cz laura and clearly my nick are all highlighted.
[11:10] <nigelb> didn't know you watched for laura.
[11:10] <nigelb> I often use it when I don't want to ping you, but refer to you.
[11:10] <czajkowski> nigelb: yup I don't "watch" for it, it's my name on other channels
[11:10] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I hope they were at least amusing :)
[11:10] <AlanBell> probably why it is on hilight :)
[11:10] <czajkowski> some come back to all weird pings
[11:11] <AlanBell> I get a lot of pings from people talking about chickens
[11:11] <czajkowski> or messages when you see this do this :)
[11:11] <nigelb> lol
[11:11] <AlanBell> #ubuntu-offtopic talks about chickens a *lot*
[11:11] <Pendulum> I get some weird pings from people who use the word 'penny'
[11:12] <nigelb> AlanBell: I shall henceforth use "Gallus gallus" instead of chicken :P
[11:12] <AlanBell> mainly in an "I am eating a yummy chicken sandwich" context
[11:12] <Pendulum> food :(
[11:12] <AlanBell> oops
[11:12] <Pendulum> s'ok
[11:12]  * nigelb kicks AlanBell :P
[11:12] <Pendulum> not starving yet
[11:12] <Pendulum> that'll be in another hour or 2
[11:13] <nigelb> AlanBell: did you get a chance to play with etherpad lite?
[11:13] <AlanBell> not really, it looked quite cool
[11:14] <nigelb> If node.js can scale to UDS scale, then I'd prefer that instead of etherpad.
[11:14] <nigelb> Its probably less memory.
[11:14] <nigelb> I wonder if it works on popey's iPad.
[11:14] <AlanBell> well there is an etherpad instance that is already running, I don't think that is going to change in the short term
[11:15] <nigelb> hm
[11:20] <AlanBell> is there some better integration that can be done with node.js around authentication/security?
[11:21] <AlanBell> working on iOS/Android would be a benefit certainly
[11:21] <nigelb> I think node.js might be easier to hack on. At elast for me.
[11:21] <nigelb> I'll poke.
[11:22] <nigelb> there is an openid implementation.
[11:29] <Daviey> AlanBell: We are currently looking at etherpad lite btw.. Haven't had a chance to compare db schema's to see if it can drop in tho
[11:30] <Daviey> 12:29 -!- AlanBell [~alan@ubuntu/member/alanbell] has quit [OFFENDED]
[11:30] <nigelb> Daviey: lol
[11:30] <nigelb> Daviey: Need help? :)
[11:30] <nigelb> I have etherpad running on my box
[11:30] <Daviey> nigelb: crack on :)
[11:30] <nigelb> should be trivial to install etherpad-life, and try with the old schema
[11:30] <nigelb> Daviey: I suppose memory saved must be a good factory? ;)
[11:30] <Daviey> nigelb: great!
[11:31] <nigelb> *factor
[11:31] <Daviey> nigelb: the memory saving is *significant*
[11:31] <Daviey> i tried it in ec2 the other day
[11:31] <nigelb> oooh, neat!
[11:32] <nigelb> I suppose jussi can arrange for a few 100 people with nothing better to do to test :P
[11:32] <Daviey> If it is drop-in, i'll swap out pad.daviey.com to be it.
[11:32] <nigelb> \o/
[11:32] <Daviey> Although, the lack of private pad support is a tad upsetting.
[11:32] <nigelb> well, we could do both. one for private and one for public \/me runs
[11:33] <popey> nigelb: gimmie a url and I can test it on ipad :D
[11:37] <nigelb> popey: sec
[11:37]  * nigelb notes bug 807784 meanwhile
[11:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 807784 in principia "Formula needed: etherpad-lite" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/807784
[11:38] <Daviey> nigelb: it was that we tested in ec2 :)
[11:38] <nigelb> Daviey: ah!
[11:39] <nigelb> Daviey: that makes it quite easy to scale etherpad lite ;)
[11:42] <nigelb> popey: https://pad.pitapoison.de/pad/p/popey
[11:44] <popey> nigelb: "Cannot GET /pad/p/popey"
[11:44] <popey> oh, https
[11:44] <popey> sorry
[11:44] <nigelb> yeah
[11:45] <nigelb> wait, who's foobar?
[11:46] <Daviey> me
[11:46] <Daviey> nigelb: Please add openid support, kkthnx
[11:46] <nigelb> ah
[11:47] <nigelb> Daviey: I will take payment in cash, cheque, beer, vodka :P
[11:48] <Daviey> nigelb: oh good.. i hope you find that :)
[11:48] <nigelb> haha
[11:49] <nigelb> Interesting. CLicking History disconnects me. Anyone else can reproduce that?
[11:52] <nigelb> popey: so beter than etherpad, yes? :P
[11:52] <Daviey> nigelb: yes, but redirects you to the history page
[11:53] <nigelb> ok, so the disconnect button is poping up wrong;y confusing people
[12:16] <popey> nigelb: yeah, looks good
[12:20] <popey> nigelb: looks like the new safari supports both java and js etherpad
[12:20] <popey> which it previously didnt
[12:27] <nigelb> popey: nice!
[12:27] <popey> its not great, but better than nothing
[12:28] <nigelb> Yeah :)
[13:12] <jcastro> kim0: I did 1.5 formulas!
[13:13] <kim0> 1.5 oO ?
[13:14] <nigelb> btw, we should get ensemble formulates to work with vagrant. that'd rock.
[13:15] <paultag> what exactly does ensamble do?
[13:16] <paultag> I was under the impression it's just nonfree puppet http://www.puppetlabs.com/
[13:16] <paultag> which is a shame
[13:17] <nigelb> wait, non-free?
[13:17] <nigelb> what?
[13:17] <paultag> I assumed if it was Canonical it's nonfree
[13:17] <jcastro> kim0: one working one, one half way working
[13:17] <nigelb> Ye of little faith.
[13:17] <paultag> nigelb: hey man. Their track-record is shit
[13:17] <paultag> nigelb: launchpad was nonfree for years
[13:18] <Daviey> paultag: Are you trolling?
[13:18] <AlanBell> https://ensemble.ubuntu.com/
[13:18] <paultag> Daviey: well you'd hardly have to ask, the answer would be the same both ways
[13:18] <jcastro> kim0: the Alice IRC one pulls from a bunch of CPAN so it takes like 10 minutes to deploy, the other one is summit and yeah .... I kind of bit off more than I can chew
[13:18]  * nigelb links to https://launchpad.net/ensemble
[13:18] <Daviey> jcastro: It is in the queue to get sync'd to oneiric
[13:18] <kim0> jcastro: woohoo
[13:19] <jcastro> Daviey: nod, when that's in I'll update it
[13:19] <Daviey> jcastro: bug 818479
[13:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 818479 in ubuntu "Sync alice 0.19-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/818479
[13:19] <jcastro> right now, it's not pretty, it has to install a bunch of stuff on a new server
[13:19] <jcastro> ooh I better sub to that.
[13:19] <Daviey> jcastro: You could use my shiny PPA? :)
[13:19] <AlanBell> paultag: it is free software for making stuff that runs on one server use lots of servers instead :)
[13:19] <kim0> paultag: no idea what is non free that relates to Ensemble, and no it's not just a puppet clone
[13:19] <jcastro> what, in the formula? Is it going to be a maintained PPA or a test ppa
[13:20] <paultag> kim0: mkay
[13:20] <paultag> AlanBell: gotcha
[13:20] <Daviey> jcastro: just test... once it's in the archive it's deprecated.
[13:20] <paultag> I never cared to look into it
[13:20]  * popey puts paultag back in his box
[13:20] <jcastro> Daviey: ok I'll just wait
[13:20] <Daviey> jcastro: imaptience++
[13:20]  * paultag *muffled sounds of struggle*
[13:20] <jcastro> poor paultag
[13:20] <paultag> jcastro: ohai, friendo. How's the heat?
[13:21] <jcastro> fine with the AC on. :)
[13:21] <paultag> :P
[13:21] <nigelb> jcastro: do you have a beachside view? ;)
[13:21] <jcastro> heh no
[13:21] <paultag> fail!
[13:22] <paultag> Man, I need to go out and get blackout drunk
[13:23] <paultag> I'm working on migrating old PL/1 code
[13:23] <paultag> someone shoot me
[13:23] <nigelb> what is PL/1?
[13:23] <paultag> nigelb: please don't ask
[13:23] <paultag> nigelb: language from 1960s
[13:23] <paultag> yes, it came before C
[13:23] <nigelb> lol.
[13:24] <nigelb> FAIL. ^
[13:24] <paultag> it's a step up from COBOL or Fortran
[14:03] <nigelb> paultag, jcastro: https://twitter.com/#!/emacs/status/97159561202511873
[14:04] <jcastro> hah
[14:16] <paultag> nigelb: haha, punks
[14:17] <paultag> nigelb: did you see the new slogan for Syn?
[14:17] <paultag> "Syn, the package manager with a better F/OSS record then GNU Emacs!
[14:17] <paultag> "
[14:17] <nigelb> bwahaha
[14:20] <paultag> nigelb: I'm thinking of using the LOL rageface for the bootup screen
[14:21] <paultag> nigelb: http://www.ragemaker.net/images/Laughing/LOL.png that one
[14:21] <nigelb> haha
[14:44] <jcastro> kim0: can you check out the long presentation today? Just a once over to make sure it makes sense would be nice.
[14:49] <kim0> jcastro: sure ..
[14:50] <jcastro> With 50% more matching slides!
[14:54] <nigelb> <3 https://twitter.com/#!/jmsgroup/status/98030723952418816
[14:55] <nigelb> "it's like Windows 7... except it's good"
[15:01] <jono> kim0, will be two mins, grabbing headset
[15:01] <kim0> same here :)
[15:07] <jono> kim0, damn headset issues, brb rebooting
[15:08] <kim0> it's usually pulse issues
[15:08] <kim0> pulseaudio -k
[15:08] <kim0> bluetooth is broken for me .. believes its disabled, while it's enabled
[15:09] <kim0> also scrolling 'down' over the sound indicator 'raises' volume
[15:09] <kim0> random bugs come to mind :)
[15:10] <jcastro> yeah
[15:10] <jcastro> I've been on 2d this week alot
[15:10] <kim0> that's a 2d only thing? thought so
[15:10] <jcastro> Is it? dunno, 3d has been broken all last week for me
[15:10] <kim0> same here .. compiz segfaults
[15:11] <kim0> something that's also annoying, I'm not getting the battery indicator for some reason
[15:12] <jcastro> hah weird, I get the battery one on my desktop, which has no battery
[15:12] <jcastro> is indicator-power installed?
[15:12] <kim0> jcastro: yep, 0.4-0ubuntu3
[15:13]  * kim0 thinks dholbach must be skiing in Norway or something :)
[15:14] <jono> apologies, nearly set, kim0
[15:14] <jono> G+?
[15:14] <kim0> works for me
[15:15] <jono> kim0, invite sent
[15:32] <jcastro> <-- hitting up lunch
[15:36] <popey> lucky lunch!
[16:04] <paultag> :( -- http://twitter.com/#!/paultag/status/98061319281975296
[16:04] <paultag> Looks like the BOS UGJ is out of luck
[16:08] <popey> paultag: why do canonical people have to be there?
[16:09] <paultag> popey: the plan was to use the canonical building
[16:09] <paultag> popey: because we have no where to go
[16:09] <popey> ah
[16:09] <popey> bummer
[16:09] <nigelb> bah
[16:09] <nigelb> with so many great univ around, absolutely no place?
[16:09] <popey> when is it?
[16:09] <popey> must be somewhere you can go
[16:09] <paultag> nigelb: all the unis are debian-biased. I wanted to have an Ubuntu Upstream Jam (UUJ), but I don't have time to plan
[16:10] <pleia2> it's labor day weekend here in the states, very hard to find a venue for free
[16:10] <paultag> Yeah, i'm sure we'll find anything
[16:10] <paultag> but ffs, it's canonical :(
[16:10] <paultag> they should have our backs on this one
[16:10] <popey> they are people
[16:10] <paultag> I understand
[16:10] <popey> people have lives too
[16:10] <paultag> I understand
[16:10] <popey> (just like geeks dont)
[16:10] <paultag> but to say not a single person is interested is nuts
[16:10] <nigelb> I'll have to agree with popey.
[16:10]  * popey shrugs
[16:10] <paultag> on a group of people that work on Ubuntu for work
[16:10] <popey> what kind of office is Boston?
[16:11] <paultag> popey: it's nice. I've only been outside it
[16:11] <popey> i.e. is it a support office, engineering, admin?
[16:11] <paultag> popey: ubuntu OEM IIRC
[16:11] <nigelb> OEM I think/
[16:11] <nigelb> gah too slow
[16:11] <paultag> it's so silly,
[16:12] <paultag> for all the shit I give canonical, I would have thought this would have been the last thing they'd do
[16:12] <paultag> I mostly mock software and administration, never something like this
[16:13] <jcastro> did you send them a mail?
[16:14] <paultag> jcastro: yeah, MT handed it
[16:14] <paultag> jcastro: he mailed back saying no
[16:14] <jcastro> no it can't be hosted there or no no one can go?
[16:14] <popey> Looks like paultag got out of bed on the grumpy side this morning.
[16:14] <paultag> jcastro: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ma/2011-August/003687.html
[16:14] <paultag> popey: yeah, I did :(
[16:14] <paultag> my back is killing me and I got no sleep, and I need some food, and my code's breaking
[16:14] <jcastro> ah suck.
[16:15] <paultag> jcastro: so BOS won't have a GJ :(
[16:15] <jcastro> did you try the MIT media lab?
[16:15] <paultag> jcastro: I could mail Mako but it's way late in the game righ tnow
[16:15] <paultag> I had a kickass idea too
[16:15] <paultag> oh well. next cycle
[16:16] <jcastro> it's like a whole month away still!
[16:16] <nhandler> paultag: You could always go for a cafe or bookstore (not as nice as some of those other places, but they work)
[16:16] <Daviey> paultag: You really are not winning friends with this strategy.
[16:16] <paultag> nhandler: yeah, we'll have to do something, but this just bugs me in a nasty way
[16:17] <paultag> Daviey: At this point, after 3 years with Ubuntu membership, if someone wants to think less of me because of my distaste of Canonical's practices some of the times on some of the day, fine. I don't care.
[16:17] <paultag> I'm here because I help, not because I need friends
[16:17] <Daviey> paultag: keep going with that.
[16:17] <paultag> it's a good bonus, but it's not my intent
[16:18] <jcastro> easy everyone, let's not get too upset
[16:18] <jcastro> we don't want popey removing the channel
[16:18] <popey> SHUT IT DOWN!
[16:19] <nigelb> haha
[16:19] <nigelb> or bashing Canonical too much or the canonical-employee pop	might shut us down.
[16:19] <nigelb> *popey
[16:24] <akgraner> haha....we need t-shirts now that say "SHUT IT DOWN!" ~ popey
[16:25] <maco> akgraner: you're around!
[16:25] <akgraner> and on the back a list of everything popey shuts down :-)
[16:25] <akgraner> maco, yep
[16:25] <akgraner> I can type now
[16:25] <nhandler> Glad to see you back akgraner
[16:26] <akgraner> thanks
[16:27] <akgraner> I don't take walking or typing for granted anymore
[16:27] <nigelb> akgraner!
[16:27] <nigelb> zomg!
[16:28] <akgraner> :-P
[16:28] <akgraner> nigelb, how does tomorrow sound for hashing out mentoring stuffs
[16:28] <nigelb> sounds great!
[16:29] <nigelb> I'll keep my evening free :)
[16:33] <akgraner> nigelb, thanks
[16:37] <AlanBell> paultag: if it is any consolation the London Canonical contingent don't let us use their offices and tend not to go to LoCo events
[16:38] <AlanBell> with exceptions, the jointly hosted Ubuntu in Business event did attract a few
[16:40] <maco> barry's the only dc-area canonical employee i've met
[16:40] <maco> there's apparently 3 or 4 of em
[16:41] <Daviey> AlanBell: I'd argue that at least the last two release parties have had a higher concentration of Canonical employees
[16:41] <AlanBell> yes, release parties, but those are not loco events I am told
[16:42] <Daviey> interesting.. who told you that?!
[16:42] <popey> well given they are generally organised by canonical, that makes sense
[16:45] <paultag> AlanBell: it's fine, I'm past caring
[16:47] <AlanBell> Daviey: I couldn't possibly say
[16:49] <popey> I can kinda understand people not wanting to come in on the weekend.
[16:52] <akgraner> If I wasn't using Ubuntu or an over zealot (at times) community member I would be pissed if pete wanted to work on Ubuntu on the weekend instead of hanging out with me and the kids...
[16:52] <paultag> not everyone's married with kids
[16:53] <paultag> and apparently, no one botherd to ask around, from what mike sent back
[16:53] <akgraner> I know that...:-) but was just giving my point of view on it
[16:53] <AlanBell> and some people *are*
[16:53] <AlanBell> some family friendly kids events are put on at weekends
[16:53] <paultag> AlanBell: yes, but we need *one* person to sit and make sure we don't steal stuff, really
[16:53] <paultag> but it's fine, I don't care
[16:54] <paultag> I'm dropping this
[16:54] <paultag> it's clear we can't do it, so to struggle is silly
[16:54] <akgraner> :-(
[16:54]  * vish tickles paultag :)
[16:54] <paultag> vish: :)
[16:54] <akgraner> paultag, you know we all <3 you anyway!
[16:55] <paultag> akgraner: aww, gee, thanks Amber :)
[16:55] <nhandler> akgraner: I don't know, those guys in Boston are alright, but that Paul guy is a bit shady
[16:55]  * paultag plots in the corner
[16:55] <akgraner> oh snap...
[17:34]  * czajkowski tickles paultag 
[17:34] <paultag> czajkowski: vish beat you to that
[17:34] <czajkowski> paultag: popping in to say hi then going back to resting :)
[17:35] <czajkowski> felt like poking prodding stabbibg
[17:35] <czajkowski> you got a tickle
[17:35] <paultag> czajkowski: :)
[17:35] <paultag> czajkowski: the drugs are working, I see :)
[17:35] <czajkowski> paultag: not sure, sat woke up in no pain, yesterday evening some pain came down in the leg, and today a bit iffy
[17:35] <czajkowski> in theory am to give it 6 weeks to see if the disc will move back in.
[17:35] <paultag> czajkowski: you'll pull through, I know it :)
[17:36] <cjohnston> mhall119: any update on the testing ec2?
[17:36] <paultag> czajkowski: you got this! :)
[17:36] <czajkowski> getting 4 injections into spine. and sedated so they could move the disc in happned on friday
[17:36] <czajkowski> so fingers crossed
[17:36] <paultag> czajkowski: you'll pull through, you're too tough to let this beat you :)
[17:36] <czajkowski> indeed
[17:36] <czajkowski> paultag: please can we turn of mail notification on website
[17:36] <czajkowski> :/
[17:36] <czajkowski> am having to deal with listadmin
[17:37] <paultag> czajkowski: let one through so I can see where it's from, then I'll take care of it
[17:37] <paultag> czajkowski: and you back to bed, missy
[17:37] <czajkowski> bugger
[17:37] <czajkowski> just delted it
[17:37] <czajkowski> ok
[17:37] <czajkowski> will do next time
[17:37] <paultag> czajkowski: I've been doing day-to-day for LC, no sweat. Take time off, you earned it :)
[17:38] <paultag> got a few pending things, all easy to take care of
[17:38] <czajkowski> will go through the bugs in a wee bit -n updated the ones last week with comments
[17:38] <paultag> czajkowski: it's OK. Get some sleep, we have 2 weeks until the next meeting
[17:38] <paultag> czajkowski: and I've got the short term stuff covered
[17:42] <czajkowski> ok
[18:00] <jono> jcastro, all set?
[18:01] <jcastro> yep, just waiting for the invite
[18:01] <jono> jcastro, one sec
[18:02] <jono> jcastro, sent