RAOFIs anyone here familiar with the archive side of the kernel SRU process?  It looks like the final step of copying from proposed→{updates,security} is just a job for a regular sru-release.py, but I'm not sure of that.  And the combination of “unsure” and “copying to -updates” is not one I'm comfortable with ☺.00:23
RAOFLaney: Actually, here's probably more relevant :)01:10
lifelessis there anyone in this tz familiar with apt internals ?01:12
RAOFThat's a fairly specific skillset; I don't know of anyone.  I generally shout at slangasek.01:14
RAOFLaney: Also, how hard would it be to remove the darcs noise?01:15
micahgoh is StevenK around?01:29
StevenKmicahg: FSVO.01:30
micahgStevenK: heh, could you remove the libglew1.5-dev binary, it's blocking anything trying to build-dep on libglew-dev?01:30
micahgI can file a bug if you like?01:30
StevenKYes, can haz bug01:30
micahgStevenK: Bug #81908701:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 819087 in glew (Ubuntu) "Please remove the libglew1.5-dev binary" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81908701:32
micahgStevenK: It technically needs a core-dev ACK (IANA core-dev)01:32
StevenK"Meh" :-)01:33
* ajmitch can ack it if you really need to tick the boxes :)01:34
StevenKI just wanted a paper-trail -- but then micahg said the magic word 'NBS', which doesn't require one01:34
StevenKmicahg: Done01:36
micahgStevenK: thanks :)01:36
* micahg goes to clean up the mess he created for others before they find out...02:05
RAOFLaney: I've rejected the haskell-platform upload from natty-proposed queue that points at bug 711366; I presume that's correct.  I'd like to see the darcs changes cleaned out, though.02:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 711366 in haskell-platform (Ubuntu) "update to 2011.2" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71136602:11
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didrocksgood morning05:19
mdkeLaney: that works perfectly. Thanks *so* much06:52
fhdIf I've created a merge proposal on Launchpad, do I have to find and add reviewers manually for it to be reviewed?07:24
fhdOr will someone (project owner?) get notified of my proposal automatically?07:25
RAOFfhd: Depends on the project; the owner of the branch will get some notification, but there's no guarantee that goes anywhere.07:26
geserfhd: if it's listed on http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/index.html one of the sponsors should pick it up07:26
fhdRAOF: It's something for Unity (2D)07:26
RAOFThat'll get on someone's radar.07:26
fhdI just remember that for Google projects, you always have to add reviewers manually07:26
fhdOr you can wait for months07:26
geserfhd: is this merge proposal for an upstream branch or an ubuntu packaging branch?07:27
fhdgeser: Um, the unity branch07:28
fhdgeser: This is the issue: https://code.launchpad.net/~fhd/unity-2d/fix-for-bug-795422/+merge/6991907:28
ubottuUbuntu bug 69919 in Launchpad itself "Bugs in non-existent product" [Medium,Triaged]07:28
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geserfhd: ok, I don't know how (upstream) projects handle merge proposals, especially unity-2d but I hope someone from the unity-2d team will pick it up07:31
fhdgeser: OK, I'll just wait then :)07:31
LaneyRAOF: you want me to retain it in the package?07:34
RAOFLaney: After thought I decided that removing it is fine; it's accepted.07:35
Laneyawesome, thanks07:35
Laneyit disappeared because I have -I..._darcs in my DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS07:35
RAOFYou're welcome to review & upload colord to sid in return :)07:35
Laneysure, moving today but I can do that07:36
Laneygive me a link to the .dsc :-)07:36
Laneyeven better, ta!07:36
RAOFGah!  Too much X!  I just thought “bzr ci -m” and typed “git ci”07:38
Laneymr commit -m :-)07:39
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DavieyAre any AA's looking at sync's atm?09:22
seb128Daviey, not really I think, I did an hour or so of cleaning and syncing previous week but that's about it09:23
nigelbDaviey: I think it was because of Debconf.09:25
Davieynigelb: yeah, guessed so09:31
Davieyseb128: My oldest sync request was placed 2011-07-20. :/09:32
seb128Daviey, yeah, well I spent over an hour and I had to do other things so I didn't get to the bottom of the stack09:32
Davieyseb128: I understand, thanks.09:33
geserDaviey: there was also an accidental auto-sync last week. If you also requested sync of unmodified packages, you might want to check if it perhaps got already synced.09:35
Davieygeser: Already have :)09:40
DavieyOne of my syncs was done by accident. \o/09:40
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fhdUbuntu 11.10 has lightdm instead of gdm - is that just temporary or will it be the new default dm?10:38
geserfhd: lightdm is the new default dm10:39
fhdgeser: I see. But the theme probably isn't finished yet, huh?10:41
Amaranthfhd: clearly :)10:42
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tjaaltonpbuilder create fails on oneiric, aborts when it notices /proc is mounted already13:22
tjaaltonanyone seen that?13:22
infinitytjaalton: Known mount misfeature.13:31
infinitytjaalton: I need to find some round tuits to look at it, I think.13:32
tjaaltoninfinity: ok, good13:34
infinitytjaalton: I have a basic idea of what's going wrong, just haven't found the time to dig deeper and fix it yet.13:38
tjaaltoninfinity: is there a bug # open yet?13:38
infinitytjaalton: There's a Debian bug, no idea if there's a launchpad one, but it seems likely.13:39
infinitytjaalton: I need to fix it in Debian anyway, so it'll make it to UBuntu when I do.13:39
gesertjaalton, infinity: bug #80588613:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 805886 in util-linux (Ubuntu) "/proc does not get umounted after debootstrap" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80588613:41
tjaaltoninfinity: bug 805886 it seems13:41
tjaaltonecho :)13:41
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infinitygeser: Thanks.13:43
tkamppeterseb128, seems that a simple patch can make PackageKit optional. Will apply the patch, remove the dependency and suggest the patch upstream.14:02
seb128tkamppeter, thanks14:02
tkamppeterseb128, problem fixed upstream, taking new GIT snapshot ...14:17
seb128tkamppeter, excellent, thanks14:17
seb128jibel, ^14:17
jibeltkamppeter, seb128 thanks!14:18
seb128jibel, we can probably ask skaet to trigger a CD build once the fixed package will be published14:20
jibeldidrocks, is the upload of unity/compiz stack ready for a3 ?14:21
didrocksjibel: compiz has been uploaded with some reverts for alpha314:21
jibelseb128, what is the ETA ?14:21
didrocksjibel: unity/nux release will be there in 9 minutes normally, so then, time to test/release/package14:21
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seb128jibel, s-c-p? time to get upload, build and published it should be available in 1:2814:22
jibelthanks. So we could respin with s-c-p and unity.14:23
seb128jibel, well the publisher run around the hour and take some 45 minutes, so if the upload is built before 5pm which seems likely it should be published around 5:45 pm14:23
seb128european time14:23
stgraberjibel: I also just pushed the set of packages I needed for edubuntu alpha-3 and fixing LTSP on both edubuntu and ubuntu alternate.14:23
seb128unity is going to take some 3 hours it needs to go through 2 publisher cycles14:23
seb128jibel, but yeah, maybe better to wait a few hours and ask for a respin then14:23
didrocksindeed, plan on 3 hours the time to get it and it's plublished14:24
jibelstgraber, ack.14:32
jibelI'll ask for a respin around 1800UTC14:32
seb128jibel, I will watch unity uploads, build, etc and let you know when it's published14:33
jibelseb128, thanks14:33
didrocksI'll tell you when I have a release and I can upload :)14:34
infinitySo, is there a reason the Super+(number) shortcuts in Unity no longer actually launch applications?14:41
seb128infinity, known bug14:41
seb128should be fixed with the next update14:42
infinityseb128: Cool, thanks.  Was just curious if I'd broken something inadvertently.14:42
diwicinfinity, it's intermittently broken in Natty (at least for me)14:42
jibelinfinity, bug 81335914:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 813359 in compiz (Ubuntu Oneiric) "'Super' shortcuts for the launcher doesn't work anymore" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81335914:43
infinitydiwic: It worked fine for me in natty, broke completely in oneiric.  Well, for some value of "fine", I suppose.14:43
seb128tkamppeter, how is the s-c-p upload going?14:44
diwicinfinity, for me the super+{s|a|f|t} are always working whereas the 1-9 are sometimes broken.14:45
infinityOn the other hand, someone (perhaps accidentally) fixed the misfeature where compiz/unity was trapping ALL super modifiers.14:46
infinitySo I can use Super+L for screen lock again.14:47
infinityI wonder if that will get unfixed when Super+# is fixed. :P14:47
directhexi just revoked unity's access to super. don't have time for games.14:48
smoserslangasek, around ?14:48
tkamppeterseb128, nearly ready.14:51
* infinity glares at base-files giving him spurious conffile prompts.14:51
tkamppeterseb128, uploaded. Two bugs will close soon ...14:54
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tkamppeterseb128, we talked about a package rename in foomatic-db last Friday. OdyX from Debian did not like it, because it is a very complicated thing to rename packages in Debian.15:54
tkamppeterseb128, so I made him the suggestion to get back into sybc by renaming foomatic-db-xml back to foomatic-db and let the drivers build-depend on foomatic-db but build-conflict with foomatic-db-compressed-ppds. Would the build handle this correctly then, installing foomatic-db and uninstalling foomatic-db-compressed-ppds if it is already installed?15:56
seb128tkamppeter, yes, that would work15:57
tkamppetertkamppeter, I have also suggested the alternative to let foomatic-db Provide foomatic-db-xml. Would this also work, meaning that the build-depends on foomatic-db-xml then install foomatic-db and uninstall foomatic-db-compressed-ppds if it is already installed?15:58
tkamppeterseb128, ^^ if that alternative also works, then I would not need to modify the driver packages.15:59
seb128tkamppeter, that would work but provides are not versioned16:00
seb128tkamppeter, so if you do that you couldn't have a build-depends on a specific foomatic-db-xml version16:01
seb128or you would need to build-depends on foomatic-db (>= version), foomatic-db-xml16:01
seb128which works as well16:01
seb128tkamppeter, so basically your call, or whatever Debian prefers16:01
tkamppeterseb128, so I will do the former, it is easier for versioned dependencies.16:02
tkamppeterseb128, will I need a transitional package named foomatic-db-xml to get correct updates for the few people who have taken my last foomatic-db package? And how long do I have to keep this transitional package?16:06
gesertkamppeter: did you had a transitional package from -db to -db-xml?16:08
tkamppetergeser, yes.16:09
gesertkamppeter: I guess you could drop the transitional package for -db-xml to -db in a couple of weeks (but before release) as till then hopefully all affect alpha users should got it updated16:09
tkamppetergeser, OK, thanks.16:10
seb128tkamppeter, right, do one and drop it in a few weeks16:13
tkamppeterseb128, I am doing this now, thanks.16:15
seb128tkamppeter, thank you16:17
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ScottKIf there's an archive admin with a moment: Can you do a binary promotion of smoke-dev-tools.  It's Universe binary from Main source now needed in Main to build other stuff due to package splits.16:31
QuintasanAnyone has any idea what might be going on with pbuilder? When building anything dpkg-buildpackage uses -j1 even when I call with -j1216:54
mterry@pilot in17:15
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mterrymicahg, ping, I'm on17:15
micahgjtaylor: can you show mterry what you need?17:16
jtaylormterry: please merge the branch attached to bug 78030517:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 780305 in soya (Ubuntu) "unable to import soya due to undefined symbol" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78030517:16
mterryjtaylor, looking17:17
jtaylorit sould also be SRU'd17:17
jtayloraffects oneirc and natty17:17
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tkamppeterseb128, all changes concerning foomatic-db are uploaded now.17:39
seb128tkamppeter, thanks17:39
ScottKseb128:  Can you do a binary promotion of smoke-dev-tools. It's Universe binary from Main source now needed in Main to build other stuff due to package splits.17:41
ScottKWe're kind of stuck on KDE 4.7.0 stuff on that right now.17:41
seb128didrocks, ^17:41
didrocksseb128: sorry, not really the time right now with this unity thing17:42
seb128ScottK, can do a bit later, the box I'm on now doesn't have my ssh key17:42
seb128jdstrand, ^17:42
seb128ScottK, I will do after dinner if nobody else does it17:42
ScottKMaybe slangasek can do it?17:50
slangasekScottK: what needs it in main?  Doesn't show up on components-mismatches yet17:53
ScottKslangasek: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smokekde/4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1/+build/265997017:53
slangasekScottK: promoted, now we just need to figure out why it's not on the component-mismatches list...17:57
ScottKslangasek: Thanks.17:57
hallynit seems DEB_DH_INSTALLINIT_ARGS is deprecated, but it doesn't tell me what replaces it18:01
hallynoh, i see.  that's cdbs doing all DEB_DH*18:02
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* negronjl is away: out to lunch18:33
mterrycyphermox, do you really need libsoup2.4 2.34.4 or can we just sync with Debian's 2.34.3?18:47
micahgmterry: the merge is for 2.35.4 unless it was a typo18:48
mterrymicahg, right, sorry.  I meant do you really need 2.35.4 or can we just sync with Debian's 2.34.3?18:48
cyphermoxbah, no reason to necessarily go with 2.35.4; I guess you can sync18:49
micahgshouldn't that wait until alpha3 though?18:50
mterrymicahg, sure, probably.  I'm not going to push the button, just sort out this merge and file a sync request18:51
micahgmterry: k, there's one already you can resurrect (from ricotz)18:51
micahgbug 81856918:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 818569 in libsoup2.4 (Ubuntu) "Sync libsoup2.4 2.34.3-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81856918:51
mterrymicahg, thanks!18:52
seb128mterry, why not updating to the current version?18:53
mterryseb128, because it's a delta, and I don't see a particular feature/bugfix wanted from the new one18:53
seb128mterry, you could apply that to half of GNOME 3.118:54
seb128but fair enough, your call, we will update when something update its configure requirements18:54
mterryseb128, :)  GNOME is a special case.  libsoup2.4 has historically been in sync, we only broke it for a security fix18:54
mterryI mean, it was recently in sync, I don't recall its actual history18:54
seb128mterry, but libsoup is a GNOME component ;-)18:55
mterryseb128, barely  :)18:55
mterryseb128, hrm... it does show prominently red in versions.html18:56
seb128mterry, well as said there is a good stack of components in such cases we updated18:56
mterryyou're right seb128, I like to sync too much.  I'll go with cyphermox's merge18:57
cyphermoxheh, we could merge in debian's changes too, the small ones that aren't yet included18:57
seb128mterry, i.e gdl, libgnome-keyring,gtksourceview318:57
mterrycyphermox, yeah, ricotz requested that in the merge comments18:58
seb128mterry, trust me I like to sync, it's just that we follow unstable cycle and they don't, we will be back in sync for 3.218:58
seb128mterry, but i've to say versions push me to do those updates, I really dislike red on version :p18:59
mterryseb128, yup.  I just didn't realize libsoup2.4 was in versions.html (i.e. among the set ubuntu-desktop cares about).  I thought it was a lesser-cared-for-by-us output of GNOME18:59
seb128mterry, well version is basically 'what is in the default installation'18:59
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slangasekScottK: so the reason for smoke-dev-tools not showing up as a mismatch is because smokekde wanted to be demoted19:12
slangasekI guess that fixes itself once built and the seeded binaries show up19:12
ScottKOK.  Thanks.19:12
ScottKWe've got layers of bindings dependencies now that kdebindings is split, so it may take a little bit of time yet to sort out.19:13
hallynDoes anyone see anything telling in bug 818105?  Seems to be a general system fault (do i read this right, that it says stdin is 'file or directory not found'?)19:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 818105 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) "package qemu-kvm 0.14.0 noroms-0ubuntu4.4 failed to install/upgrade: erro ao escrever para '<saída standard>': Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81810519:29
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lifelessslangasek: hi; do you have a sec to talk about bug 816606 ?20:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 816606 in apt (Ubuntu) "apt postinst failure if ubuntu-keyring not installed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81660620:02
SpamapShm, how can I get bzr bd -S to ignore this situation: dpkg-source: warning: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field20:04
slangaseklifeless: I do, though if you're looking to me because of RAOF's comments yesterday I fear he's steered you to the wrong person as I'm no expert on apt internals :)20:06
lifelessslangasek: well, I guess I just need someone to agree on a path-to-fix20:06
SpamapSlifeless: isn't it just as likely that the bug lies in debootstrap's dependency resolver which is , by its own man page's admission, quite limited?20:06
slangasekSpamapS: unset DEBEMAIL in the environment for the build; but not for uploads to Ubuntu proper, as that warning shouldn't be ignored20:06
SpamapSslangasek: its been a problem on the upstart package for a long time20:07
lifelessSpamapS: no, its a recommends when as written it must be a predepends20:07
SpamapSslangasek: I believe stemming from the fact that there are two maintainers listed. :-P20:07
lifelessSpamapS: either the dep is wrong, or the code is wrong.20:07
lifelessSpamapS: it affects upgrades as well20:07
slangasekSpamapS: oh, right, that's an illegal maintainer field :)20:07
SpamapSlifeless: indeed.. I think last I looked it was a Depends ..20:08
slangasekSpamapS: mark the maintainer as James, move Scott to Uploaders: ?20:08
SpamapSslangasek: that doesn't fix the gripe.. :-/20:08
slangaseklifeless: um, certainly not a pre-depends if it's a postinst failure20:08
slangasekSpamapS: why doesn't it?  provided that the Maintainer: field lists ubuntu.com, there should be no complaints about XSBC-Original-Maintainer IIRC20:08
micahgwell, it should change to a warning vs an error20:09
lifelessslangasek: well, it seems to want it configured vs just unpacked. IMBW.20:09
SpamapSslangasek: bug in the check maybe?20:09
slangaseklifeless: ... which is the definition of Depends20:09
lifelessslangasek: so, thoughts - disable the call, put an || true on the call, or change the relation ?20:09
SpamapSI wonder, was ubuntu-keyring in base packages before and now isn't ?20:10
slangaseklifeless: having a look at the history, one sec20:10
lifelessslangasek: bah, its been too long since I refreshed my predepends definitions :) - sorry.20:10
SpamapSplease ignore.. that was a warning, but not what was failing my build20:12
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slangaseklifeless: looks like the Recommends: ubuntu-keyring is entirely inconsistent with Debian (which has Depends: debian-archive-keyring), so I'd say we should promote it to a Depends20:20
lifelessI'll see about tossing a bzr branch up later today; for now I have to take lynne down for a checkup20:26
hallynhm, python won't update in oneiric vm20:34
hallyndebconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat20:34
highvoltageDaev: /win last20:34
highvoltage(eek, sorry)20:34
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jtaylorhi, how can I mark a package as "should-not-be-merged"? argparse introduced a change in an upload which should not make it to ubuntu oneiric21:04
micahgjtaylor: file a sponsorship request to have it blacklisted21:05
micahgjtaylor: how permanent is the need to not sync?  there shouldn't be any more auto syncs until P opens21:05
jtaylordepends on when the underlying issue is fixed, should probably be done before P21:08
jtaylorit would need merging currently, but marking somewhere that it should not be done yet would be nice21:08
micahgjtaylor: MoM would be the place for that, but there's not a lot of room to explain why21:09
jtaylorI probably can't add comments there21:10
jtaylorcan someone comment, don't merge, would introduce problem in 79369521:10
jtaylorfor package argparse21:11
micahgjtaylor: anyone can add a comment21:11
micahgjtaylor: done anyways21:12
micahgjtaylor: are you sure that's the correct bug #?21:13
jtaylorit would probably introduce the same problem as in that bug21:14
jtaylorits the same problem foolscap had, I think you sponsored my fix for that in foolscap21:15
jtaylorargparse 1.2.1 added build-dependency on setuptools + dh_python2 => upgrade failure depending on file ordering in data.tar.gz in binary packages21:15
jtaylordue to egg file -> egg folder21:16
jtaylorwill python 2.6 still be in oneiric?21:21
ScottKDepends on Debian22:47
ScottKjtaylor: ^^^22:47
ScottKjtaylor: The plan had been to wait for Debian to make 2.7 default before we dropped 2.6, but now that the Debian release team has dropped the 2.7 transition as a release goal, I doubt that makes sense.22:48
jtayloris there so much stuff only running with 2.6?22:49
broderScottK: I thought Debian release team dropped 2.7 as a "release goal", because it was too limited in scope22:49
ScottKLook at Debian 62227922:49
ubottuDebian bug 622279 in release.debian.org "transition: python-defaults (switching default: 2.6 -> 2.7)" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/62227922:49
brodermaybe i misread the bits e-mail22:49
DooMMasteRgot my ubuntu down to 7,5sec boot time incl. XBMC startup :P22:50
micahgScottK: wait, for wheezy they're sticking with 2.6? ugh22:51
DooMMasteRon an AMD E-35022:51
ScottKbroder: It doesn't change the fact that it puts it on a "Meh, whenever" schedule since there's no mechanism for NMUs to ease the transition (unless, of course, I decided to just make 2.7 default and who cares what it breaks)22:51
broderScottK: ah, i see22:51
ScottKmicahg: No, they decided switching wasn't a release goal.  It doesn't mean the switch can't happen, just that something preventing it isn't RC.22:51
ScottKNow figure the odds of that.22:52
micahgwell, it just means that we'll be driving most of the transition as I think regardless we're dropping 2.6 for P22:52
slangasekhmm, my understanding of release goal is "the release team blesses NMUing for this under the same rules as for RC bugs", not quite "this is RC"22:54
slangasekI think we could provide the necessary cover for NMUs without it being a release goal, too22:55
slangasek(though the release team deciding it's not a release goal is certainly not helpful here)22:57
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