[05:22] <bazhang> cross-posting gone wild
[05:22] <rww> so why is my connection so much slower in linux then windows 7 could it be a driver issue? or some setting?
[05:25] <bazhang> nice. we can override staff now!
[08:53] <Myrtti> merh
[08:55] <Tm_T> meh!
[08:56]  * Tm_T huggles Myrtti with all the meh!
[09:28] <jpds> < Tom^> hai /b of linux irc channels
[09:28] <jpds> Troll detected.
[11:53] <Pici> what is stephenthemartyr going on about?
[11:53] <bazhang> "The Days Of Our Installs"
[12:24] <bazhang> the amount of cross-posting is frankly stunning
[12:27] <elky> welcome to the idea of telling people about irc without telling them basic etiquette at the same time
[12:44] <bazhang> is thebig0ne try ing to install ubuntu even?
[14:27] <Pici> ikonia: going to remove the ban? Or?
[14:28] <ikonia> dumb floodbots, sure
[14:32] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: thank you for joining
[14:33] <GirlyGirl> ikonia: anything wrong?
[14:33] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: yes, please stop offering advice/discussion on apple/macos in #ubuntu
[14:34] <ikonia> I asked for it to stop 4 times to different people and you brought it up again
[14:34] <GirlyGirl> I believe I just told the person to refer to apple-support not here
[14:35] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: they had already been told it was not ontopic for the channe and givn the correct chnnel
[14:35] <ikonia> he also made it clear he wanted to do hackintosh, so pushing apple support is not helpful
[14:35] <GirlyGirl> ikonia: Ok sorry I didn't really read all his messages
[14:36] <ikonia> but you did read my messages asking it to stop ?
[14:36] <GirlyGirl> No sorry
[14:36] <GirlyGirl> didn't see them
[14:37] <ikonia> ok, I'll remove the mute in #ubuntu, you'll need to part and rejoin in a minute
[14:37] <GirlyGirl> ok I'll be more careful from now on thanks
[14:37] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: if you leave #ubuntu and rejoin you should be ok to speak again
[14:38] <GirlyGirl> ok .. trust me I had no intention of offering any advice to circumvent EULA's
[14:39] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: well, as I said if you leave this channel, leave #ubuntu and rejoin #ubuntu you should be fine
[14:40] <GirlyGirl> ikonia: Thank you I did that
[14:40] <UbuntuGNULinux> I'm having problem with Operator abuse by ikonia, I was kicked and lost voice simply for one piece of bad advice
[14:40] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: clearly not as your still here
[14:40] <UbuntuGNULinux> This was without any prior warning
[14:40] <GirlyGirl> ok leaving here
[14:40] <Pici> Sure, give us a chance to respond.
[14:41] <ikonia> Pici: I'd already told him in pm
[14:41] <ikonia> Pici: he's just read it and realised he looked foolish and parted
[14:42] <Pici> Ah.
[14:42] <Pici> GirlyGirl: You still appear to be here.
[14:43] <rww> GirlyGirl: the opposite of /join is /part ;)
[14:43] <GirlyGirl_> ikonia: Sorry my connection dropped so I'm waiting to time out
[14:43] <ikonia> errr..... you're typing
[14:43] <ikonia> it's not dropped/timing out while it's active
[14:44] <GirlyGirl_> ikonia: the one without "_"
[14:44] <Pici> GirlyGirl_: you can part your active client.  We can remove the other.
[14:44] <GirlyGirl_> ok
[14:45] <ikonia> UbuntuGNULinux still going on at me in PM that he wont' progress this through the council even though I was wrong to kic him
[14:45] <ikonia> I'm going to ban him and he can take it up with the council
[14:46] <ikonia> he's fluent in the rules in 5 langauges
[14:46] <ikonia> so he claims, so should know them
[14:46] <Pici> eh?
[14:46] <ikonia> lecturing me that it was unacceptable to kick him
[14:46] <Pici> The appeals process is to come here first, not to the council.
[14:46] <ikonia> Pici: that's his decision
[14:47]  * Pici shrugs
[14:47] <UbuntuGNULinux> I wish to raise a complaint (again) about ikonia
[14:47] <Pici> UbuntuGNULinux: Perhaps you'll stick around this time.
[14:47] <UbuntuGNULinux> I have been kicked for simply making a joke (without any warning)
[14:47] <UbuntuGNULinux> And then banned for disagreeing with his decision
[14:47] <UbuntuGNULinux> I left last time because I was let back in
[14:47] <UbuntuGNULinux> Seems very heavy handed to me
[14:48] <UbuntuGNULinux> I request that ikonia immediately has op status removed until this abuse of power is resolved
[14:49] <Pici> Thats not really how our appeals process works.
[14:49] <Pici> You can take a look at this document if you'd like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess
[14:49] <UbuntuGNULinux> I've done step 2 already, I PM'd him and got no understanding
[14:50] <ikonia> no
[14:50] <Pici> Anyway, if an operator feels that a user who has broken our rules is not going to continue to abide by them in the future, then a ban is placed.
[14:50] <ikonia> you pm'd me and refused to accept that is unacceptable behaviour
[14:50] <UbuntuGNULinux> Disagreeing isn't allowed?
[14:50] <UbuntuGNULinux> You didn't give any warning as your own guide indicates you should
[14:50] <UbuntuGNULinux> You just instantly kicked me
[14:50] <ikonia> correct
[14:50] <ikonia> spoke to you in pm - and allowed you to rejoin
[14:50] <UbuntuGNULinux> You need to follow the guidelines yourself
[14:51] <UbuntuGNULinux> Yes, and then kicked me for conversation in the PM rather than anything I'd said in the channel itself
[14:51] <ikonia> you where miss-leading a user with bad advice, you where removed
[14:51] <ikonia> I explained the reasons and allowed you to rejoin
[14:51] <Pici> Unfortunately our hands are tied due to the measures that we employ to allow webchats on the channel. We can't mute in those cases.
[14:51] <UbuntuGNULinux> And why was I kicked the second time?
[14:51] <UbuntuGNULinux> I hadn't spoken again in #ubuntu
[14:51] <ikonia> UbuntuGNULinux: because you refuse to accept your behaviour was wrong and are trying to complain about getting kicked rather than just using #ubuntu and suggesting you won't take it to the council
[14:52] <ikonia> I suggest i you are unhappy with th behaviour I'll remute you - which I did and you can follow the appeals process
[14:52] <ikonia> at this point, I'll leave you to the procees
[14:52] <UbuntuGNULinux> So if you disagree with an OP you get kicked? I didn't disagree with the policy that users should be helpful, I disagreed with you not following the policy of a warning before taking action
[14:53] <UbuntuGNULinux> This is in your own document!
[14:53] <UbuntuGNULinux> Please reinstate me in the #ubuntu channel, I won't disagree with any more OPs
[14:55] <UbuntuGNULinux> Your document says "continued misbehaving after you have been advised to stop is disruptive"
[14:55] <UbuntuGNULinux> I did not see any advice
[14:56] <UbuntuGNULinux> Kicking is not advice
[15:00] <LjL> UbuntuGNULinux: kicking is a valid form of warning. in your case it automatically resulted in a ban, but that wasn't intended.
[15:00] <UbuntuGNULinux> I disagree, I have never been in a channel where kicking is a warning
[15:00] <UbuntuGNULinux> It's unfriendly to say the least
[15:01] <LjL> well it's not friendly to give bogus advice either
[15:01] <UbuntuGNULinux> Anyway, thanks for resolving the issue, I'm sure not all OPs are unfair like ikonia :)
[15:02] <LjL> who resolved anything?
[15:02] <ikonia> just more smart mouth from him
[18:01] <ikonia> MarkShuttlewort $50 says will not end well
[21:04] <bombshellz> Hello
[21:05] <ikonia> hello
[21:05] <bombshellz> Apparently there's a ban placed on *bshellz.* and some how matches bombshellz.net
[21:05] <bombshellz> Bombshellz.net and Bshellz are two different entities and no way related
[21:06] <bombshellz> I was told to visit here to see if I can resolve the issue?
[21:06] <ikonia> well, I don't think there is a ban on bshellz anymore
[21:06] <ikonia> I will look though
[21:06] <mrmist> there is indeed
[21:06] <LjL> yes there is
[21:06] <LjL> i have no idea how it would impact bombshellz.net though
[21:06] <mrmist> it's *bshellz
[21:06] <bombshellz> I can't join the channel
[21:06] <ikonia> I thought we'd removed the bshellz one
[21:06] <bombshellz> It says, you're +b
[21:06] <mrmist> Ban against *!*@*bshellz.* matches bombshellz!bombshell@staff.bombshellz.net (Set by rww!~rww@ubuntu/member/rww)
[21:07] <mrmist> So accidentally covers their host
[21:07] <LjL> oh right
[21:07] <bombshellz> because
[21:07] <bombshellz> of the bshellz near the end
[21:07] <LjL> bombshellz: does your shell normally enforce identd? is it paid?
[21:08] <bombshellz> LjL: I'm the owner, we do have oidentd running and no it's not paid but we're very stringent of our users
[21:08] <LjL> bombshellz: i don't suppose you have a channel here on freenode where we could reach you in case of issues? is abuse at bombshellz dot net in place?
[21:09] <bombshellz> LjL: admin@bombshellz.net is fine... Our channel is on our own network ;)
[21:09] <LjL> bombshellz: ok i'll change the ban
[21:09] <ikonia> the webpage looks like it has good policies
[21:10] <bombshellz> LjL: I'm actually the person who is need of assistance ;)
[21:10] <LjL> bombshellz: you should be able to join now
[21:11] <bombshellz> Thanks, well I have to leave now ... I'll visit later on thanks
[21:11] <LjL> see you later
[21:11] <bombshellz> Thanks LjL and mrmist for your assistance in this matter ;)
[22:59] <emma> anyone here have ops in #ubuntu-uk?
[23:01] <ikonia> emma: what's up ?
[23:11] <emma> hi
[23:12] <emma> I had a bad connection a few days and I think I was banned for bouncing, can you reset that?