[01:35] <vuth> directhex u there?
[06:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Chris Anderson Confirmed For 2nd Ed. Foreword - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/08/01/chris-anderson-confirmed-for-2nd-ed-foreword/
[07:09] <daubers> Morning
[07:19] <Nafallo> good morning! :-D
[07:20]  * Nafallo woke up to the news that UK is world champions again! :-D
[07:32] <jpds> Nafallo: Turn off the TV before going to bed next time.
[07:47] <gord> happy mailman day all
[07:50] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:50] <MooDoo> Nafallo: world champs?  what at?
[07:51] <diplo> Morning all
[07:51] <DJones> Was that in the international phone hacking competition?
[07:53] <BigRedS> we'd have lost at that
[07:53] <BigRedS> since in the UK 'hacking' = 'trying the default password'
[07:55] <jpds> BigRedS: Well, how many times did you reboot it?
[07:56] <MooDoo> the only other one i know is darts.....
[07:56] <BigRedS> jpds: hm?
[08:09] <Nafallo> jpds: haven't got a TV (at least not one that can view TV)
[08:10] <Nafallo> MooDoo: street dance. http://www.plaguedance.com/2011/08/we-are-the-champions/
[08:11] <MooDoo> ah cool
[09:32] <MooDoo> :)
[09:50] <MooDoo> *yawn*
[09:51] <BigRedS> Are we keeping you up?
[09:52] <DJones> I recon its the stimulating conversation in the channel keeping MooDoo awake
[09:53] <Daviey> Will you lot be quiet, some of us are trying to sleep. Thanks.
[09:53] <MooDoo> lol it must be that "it's monday it's busy" type of situation
[10:01] <gord> i wonder if i could set up a home office centred around my bed....
[10:01] <gord> would make mondays easier
[10:01] <oimon> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/8674416/Google-Chrome-web-browser-second-most-popular-in-UK.html
[10:02] <BigRedS> I wonder if that's based on w3schools' stats, too :)
[10:02] <oimon> according to statcounter
[10:03] <davmor2> morning all
[10:03] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:03] <oimon> could be indicative of the type of sites that would use something like statcounter
[10:03]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski to remind her it's Monday
[10:03] <davmor2> morning MooDoo dude
[10:04] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[10:07] <MooDoo> hows it going davmor2
[10:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: good thanks you?
[10:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's monday....so meh!
[10:20] <oimon> hehe :) http://www.emcartoons.com/July-2011/someone-has-a-secret
[10:23] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'll tell you about it once I wake up ;)
[10:25] <MooDoo> davmor2: WAKE UP!!!
[10:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: don't try waking me up then I'm just grumpy and blame the person that woke me ;)
[10:28] <MooDoo> lol
[10:29] <bastubis> hi - this is paula - I have Linda who was having problems with her laptop connecting to BT
[10:30] <bastubis> and I'm showing her how to access the right channel
[10:30] <bastubis> because I think she was in the wrong place
[10:30] <DJones> Hi paula/bastubis
[10:30] <MooDoo> hello bastubis [paula]
[10:31] <DJones> Also, welcome to the channel Linda
[10:31] <bastubis> OK, we've checked her laptop and there's no problem in ubuntu
[10:31] <bastubis> she's connected to our wifi no probs
[10:31] <bastubis> we've deleted auto-logins for her BT hub
[10:31] <bastubis> I hope it'll just work when she gets home
[10:31] <bastubis> if not, we're configuring xchat so she can come back
[10:32] <MooDoo> we'll be here :)
[10:33] <MooDoo> that was quick ;)
[10:33] <Apacheuk> bastubis: is it the latest BT hub? I have a home hub 2.0 and don't have any issues here
[10:36] <AlanBell> hi bastubis
[10:36] <AlanBell> what is Linda's IRC nick?
[10:36] <AlanBell> hi LindaDamerell :)
[10:37] <LindaDamerell> hello
[10:37] <MooDoo> hello LindaDamerell
[10:37] <MooDoo> :)
[10:37] <bastubis> Hi Linda
[10:37] <bastubis> OK, I think we're good here - thanks :)
[11:03] <MooDoo> blimey it's quiet
[11:07] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[11:08] <popey> Morning all!
[11:09] <davmor2> morning popey
[11:10] <brobostigon> hi popey and davmor2
[11:10] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[11:10] <brobostigon> it is 12:10, isnt it meant to be afternoon.
[11:12] <MooDoo> howdy popey and brobostigon
[11:12] <brobostigon> hi MooDoo
[11:23] <BranCo_SCB_> Hi everyone. Does anyone know if there's an E-magazine on Ubuntu UK.
[11:23] <AlanBell> hi BranCo_SCB_ there is the full circle mag
[11:23] <AlanBell> global focus but based in the UK
[11:24] <BranCo_SCB_> The Full Circle Mag?
[11:24] <BranCo_SCB_> I'll search. Thank you.
[11:24] <AlanBell> http://fullcirclemagazine.org/
[11:32] <BranCo_SCB_> The magazine is great! What software do they use to make it?
[11:33] <popey> BranCo_SCB_: dunno, scribus I think
[11:35] <davmor2> BranCo_SCB_: I think in issue 1 or 2 they give you a break down of what tools to use
[11:35] <directhex> vim and latex.
[11:36] <BranCo_SCB_> I'll check. Tnx.
[11:40] <KrisDouglas> Hello, I am having a problem getting my ubuntu server to get it's hostname resolving on our network. We have a windows server as a DNS and the fqdn for the ubuntu server is setup to crm.domain.local
[11:40] <KrisDouglas> the windows server is sbs.domain.local and that works
[11:41] <KrisDouglas> but the ubuntu server won't resolve.
[11:41] <AlanBell> the .local domain is special
[11:41] <AlanBell> works with avahi
[11:41] <KrisDouglas> I don't like the sound of that
[11:41] <KrisDouglas> :)
[11:42] <directhex> .local means something specific
[11:42] <AlanBell> I do, it just works!
[11:42] <AlanBell> hostname.local just resolves
[11:42] <directhex> it's auto-discovered domains found using mdns, aka zeroconf aka apple's bonjour
[11:42] <AlanBell> no need for DNS at all
[11:42] <KrisDouglas> So I am going to assume I have to install Avahi?
[11:43] <AlanBell> depends what you want to achieve
[11:44] <directhex> you can change which domain avahi uses in /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf, i.e. tell it not to use .local, so there's no conflict
[11:44] <directhex> if a conflict is the issue
[11:46] <KrisDouglas> Ok changing now
[11:46] <KrisDouglas> Is there anything (other than avahi-daemon) that i have to restart?
[11:49] <directhex> not that i can think of
[12:00] <KrisDouglas> this is the top of my config file, which is still not working =[ http://pastebin.com/Rpp2ESBD
[12:02] <KrisDouglas> I really need to study networking :)
[12:08] <HazRPG> heh, the "new" commodore 64 seems to have been released :P
[12:08] <HazRPG> also, hi all \o
[12:08] <brobostigon> afternoonings HazRPG :)
[12:14] <HazRPG> brobostigon: afternoon :)
[12:14] <KrisDouglas> Oh no!
[12:14] <dogmatic69> o/
[12:14] <KrisDouglas> BE are withdrawing their bonded broadband servic
[12:14] <KrisDouglas> e
[12:18] <HazRPG> KrisDouglas: how come?
[12:19] <KrisDouglas> They didn't say, but they are pursuing FTTC now so I am going to assume they are "re-aligning" resources
[12:19] <KrisDouglas> We have a bonded connection from them in stone, absolutely flawless
[13:23] <daubers> lo
[13:23] <jacobw> o/
[13:24] <brobostigon> o/
[13:24] <dogmatic69> o/
[13:24] <bigcalm> If I were to buy an album of MP3s from Amazon, would they come DRM free?
[13:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: no idea why?
[13:26] <KrisDouglas> I have a windows vista machine in at the moment which doesn't have the driver for the hard drive that the OS is loading off..  yet it boots, logs in to a desktop and tells me such.
[13:26] <gord> bigcalm, if its listed as mp3, yeah
[13:27] <gord> KrisDouglas, what makes you think you need a driver for a hard-drive?
[13:27] <bigcalm> We saw In Bruges last night. The OST is wonderful so I wanted to buy the album. On Amazon, £17.79 for the CD, £7.99 for the MP3s
[13:27] <davmor2> KrisDouglas: it'll use some ancient default driver that be optimised
[13:28] <KrisDouglas> gord, davmor2 it's not loading them :) I do this crap for a living, just thought it was a comical scenario.
[13:28] <popey> bigcalm: yes, mp3 on amazon is drm free
[13:28] <KrisDouglas> Seems like the registry has forgotten all these drivers were setup
[13:29] <davmor2> KrisDouglas: no the registry forgot something I don't believe you ;)
[13:30] <KrisDouglas> ?
[13:31] <bigcalm> Oh yay. The Amazon mp3 downloader .deb is for i386
[13:31] <KrisDouglas> found a registry backup that the system generated, going to load that and see what happens.
[13:31] <bigcalm> Wonder if wine will help
[13:32] <directhex> bigcalm, don't use it then.
[13:32] <KrisDouglas> http://tinyurl.com/ubuntu1012 works
[13:32] <directhex> bigcalm, use clamz or bamz (provided with banshee)
[13:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[13:34] <bigcalm> 11.04 64bit
[13:35] <directhex> amazon's amz files are encrypted. however, every amz file in the world is encrypted with the same key, which can be extracted easily from the amazon mp3 downloader binary. hence replacement downloader tools, like banshee
[13:35] <bigcalm> I see
[13:36] <bigcalm> I'll give it a go, ta
[13:36] <directhex> it's seamless if you use the amazon mp3 store directly within banshee, but bamz is a command-line download tool
[13:37] <davmor2> bigcalm: use banshee, and see if it is cheaper on ubuntumusic store too some are some aren't
[13:38] <directhex> i pay extra for u1ms. i like the cloud aspect
[13:39] <gord> course you also have the ability to download from amazon and store the music in u1 ;)
[13:39] <directhex> i wrote the first u1ms banshee plugin, i'm gonna damn well use it
[13:39] <davmor2> directhex: I found that the same album on u1ms was a pound cheaper than amazon but on the new releases I find amazon is normally cheaper but hey the 2 are in there so it's worth looking :)
[13:40] <bigcalm> This is quite good :)
[13:40] <directhex> i've paid almost 3 quid for a single track on u1ms before
[13:40] <bigcalm> Couldn't find the album on U1
[13:41] <bigcalm> Ah
[13:41] <bigcalm> Now downloading at 4.3K/s
[13:42] <bigcalm> So, who got my money for buying MP3s via Banshee?
[13:42] <directhex> bigcalm, amazon got your money. amazon then pay affiliate revenue to canonical
[13:43] <directhex> canonical then pay 25% of afiliate revenue from amazon and 7digital to gnome
[13:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: everyones a winner baby :)
[13:43] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:43] <KrisDouglas> That sounds a lot better than the previous arrangement.
[13:43] <directhex> if you use a banshee PPA, the affiliate revenue from banshee goes to gnome & bypasses canonical
[13:44] <bigcalm> What if I had installed Banshee from a non-canonical source?
[13:44] <bigcalm> Ah, there :)
[13:44] <directhex> affiliate revenue is one or two pennies per track afaik
[13:44] <bigcalm> Well, considering that I've never given monies to Canonical before now and have been using Ubuntu for years...
[13:45] <bigcalm> Not too bothered :)
[13:45] <popey> i donated to tuxpaint last night :D
[13:45] <bigcalm> popey: who's donating to your printer fund?
[13:45] <popey> heh
[13:46] <directhex> i should get off my arse and update my mono PPAs. those are a good source of donations
[13:48] <MooDoo> :)
[13:51] <directhex> i could do with a boost to clear the credit cards
[13:54] <bigcalm> I really shouldn't have bought that album, enjoying it though
[13:54] <bigcalm> Damn you Amazon for keeping my credit card details so handily
[13:55]  * daubers just spent all his money on education :(
[13:55] <bigcalm> And what has that taught you?
[13:56] <davmor2> don't spend all your money on education
[13:58] <bigcalm> :D
[13:59] <directhex> anyone want an updated libgdiplus for natty? only tuppence ha'penny!
[14:00] <davmor2> directhex: No?
[14:00] <directhex> darn
[14:01]  * hamitron directs directhex to "the source"
[14:01] <hamitron> ;)
[14:01] <davmor2> may the source be with you
[14:02] <hamitron> indeed
[14:03] <hamitron> !natty
[14:03] <hamitron> just checking
[14:07] <daubers> should be getting some video cameras this week \o/
[14:10] <daubers> Need to go somewhere noisy and do an ambient noise test with them
[14:21] <oimon> daubers: oggcamp?
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> vorbiscamp?
[14:23] <daubers> oimon: That's where they'll be destined, but I want to know if external mics would be appropriate
[14:24] <oimon> last year's oggcamp video has been written off hasn't it?
[14:24] <daubers> It may appear at some stage (the professionally filmed bits anyway)
[14:24] <oimon> i heard someone made an offer to grab the raw footage themselves but didn't gfet far
[14:26] <daubers> oimon: Either way, this year will be _awesome_
[14:26] <oimon> is everyone supposed to wear name tags featuring their irc nicks?
[14:27] <popey> oimon: yes
[14:27] <popey> (as in video written off)
[14:28] <oimon> shame, would be nice to get an idea of what it's like
[14:28] <daubers> oimon: Can help you there!
[14:28] <daubers> oimon: http://blip.tv/daubers
[14:30] <oimon> daubers: can you record audio directly from the PA desk?
[14:31] <daubers> oimon: I'm not so worried about filming the talks. Thats kinda sorted, it's more for wandering around the exhibition bit and stuff
[14:31] <oimon> ah
[14:31] <oimon> i guess you could take it to a wtherspoons pub for ambient chatter noise
[14:32] <daubers> oimon: I was going to go to the local shopping center :)
[16:05] <ascenseur> hey
[16:06] <popey> HELLO!
[16:07] <popey> http://twitpic.com/5zbuza   oops
[16:08] <ascenseur> popey: what's occurin'? :)
[16:08] <popey> Heat!
[16:09] <popey> lots of it
[16:09] <popey> everywhere
[16:09] <ascenseur> aha
[16:09] <BigRedS> oh
[16:09] <ascenseur> and don't we know it!
[16:09] <BigRedS> that's going to be annoying
[16:09] <BigRedS> (not for me, which is nice)
[16:09] <ascenseur> popey: aha, and yes, that's bad :/ luckily my train ride skips croydon!
[16:10] <gord> its so hot :( i may melt
[16:10] <ascenseur> i am melting!
[16:15]  * popey puts ice in the gord
[16:15] <daubers> Woot! New air conditioned office ftw
[16:15] <BigRedS> yeah, I'm now dreading going home after these stories
[16:15] <popey> best decision ever, buying a fridge/freezer which makes ice
[16:15] <BigRedS> it's quite pleasant in my air conditioned office
[16:16]  * daubers imagines popey shovelling ice from the fridge with his new snow shovel
[16:16] <davmor2> if it keeps up like this I may resort to the aircon unit over the fan :)
[16:35] <davmor2> popey: that mudslides really bad I mean I turn the picture upside down and it still didn't clear
[16:41] <davmor2> I forgot to ask who was installing sim city 2000 in dosbox did they do it and did it work?
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> it works fine
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> just put the installtion files in some dir
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> mount that path in dosbox
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> and run it
[17:38] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Cool glad it worked :)
[17:57] <kvarley> Using Quickly how do I add the deb icon? So when the deb is opened in the Software Centre the icon appears?
[18:47] <popey> Evening all
[18:48] <StevenR> lo
[18:51] <gord> dear ubuntu gods, can we just alias les to less already =\
[18:52] <davmor2> gord: NO! repent sinner for even thinking such a thing
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> gord: this is what ~/.bashrc is for
[19:01] <gord> MartijnVdS, no no no
[19:02] <gord> once you start editing bashrc for your own lazyness, you end up not being able to use anyone elses computer
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> gord: ln -s it from ~/Ubuntu\ One/.bashrc
[19:05] <daubers> gord: I used to know someone who's bashrc ran into the thousands of lines
[19:05]  * bigcalm slaps mc.net - let me log in!
[19:05] <daubers> mostly of typos to real commands
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> there's also a shopt for that
[19:06] <peng42phone> Yawn, repeat (train,  change) until home
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> cdspell If set, minor errors in the spelling of a directory com‐ ponent  in  a  cd command will be corrected.
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> you could also patch the command-not-found package to automatically RUN the first suggestion if it's already installed
[19:09] <peng42phone> Ooh dangerous
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> peng42phone: as an option, of course
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> mr some_file
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> oops, didn't want rm anyway..
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> something like that ;)
[19:10] <peng42phone> Nod
[19:10] <webpigeon> MartijnVdS, you didn't need it anyway... right? :P
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon: probably not
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon: especially in the (very) long run
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon: (think geological time)
[19:11] <webpigeon> universe.sh ?
[19:12] <peng42phone> Still 2 trains from. Home
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> peng42phone: I'm always 2 trains from home when I'm at work :)
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> On all 3 alternative routes :)
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> 4
[19:13] <peng42phone> This is a 4 train route
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> aww
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> English trains too
[19:14] <peng42phone> Eastern English trains at that
[19:14] <webpigeon> peng42phone, cd ~
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon: or just "cd"
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon: it defaults to ~
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> (also, it saves on keyboard wear)
[19:15] <webpigeon> MartijnVdS, this is true, but with your autocorrect script running, who knows ;)
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon: I have "oops.pl" running in irssi
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> so when I type just "ls" it does /names :)
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> or "whois" in a query
[19:24] <peng42phone> Martijnvds: what happens when you type rm in your irc?
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> peng42phone: nothing
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> peng42phone: though linking it to /kick or /kickban would be nice ;)
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> peng42phone: rm = kick, rm -rf = ban :)
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> peng42phone: and sudo would be some command to nickserv
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> to get ops
[19:26] <webpigeon> :P
[19:27] <webpigeon> sudo <cmd> = nickserv op <cmd> nickserv deop
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> webpigeon: sudo -s = just nickserv op
[19:28] <Karti> Hi any Thunderbird gurus on here? Having trouble saving settings
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> Karti: of what?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> Karti: a single account, or "Preferences"?
[19:29] <Karti> MartijnVdS, Within my settings (all is working by the way) any time I change my junk settings they are "not remembered"
[19:30] <webpigeon> MartijnVdS++
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> Karti: did you copy your profile from a different place, or did you create it "new"?
[19:30] <Karti> All from new. Moved acros from Evolution
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> Karti: what are you setting the junk setting to?
[19:31] <Karti> as it looked like thunderbird was going to be the default on 11.10
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> it is
[19:32] <Karti> all my accounts point to Global Local settings (I like to save on my HD rather than teh server) and teh junk should go to local settings Junk folder
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea what could cause this
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> Have you tried looking on the Mozilla wiki, or in bug lists?
[19:34] <Karti> Ha d a google look and seen some details but all some time ago.
[19:34] <Karti> I will search teh lists and see if any recent bugs have been accepted
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> if not, please file one yourself
[19:35] <Karti> MartijnVdS, Thanks for the assistance
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> there should be an option to do that in the menu
[19:35] <Karti> will do
[19:35] <Karti> :)
[20:03] <ikonia> popey: I'll be interested in how your flash experiment goes and compare notes
[20:05] <popey> Had my first video that wont play :D
[20:06] <ikonia> popey: which site ?
[20:06] <peng42phone> Right, on the last of the trains for today
[20:06] <popey> a youtube video
[20:08] <ikonia> interesting, I had no problems with html5 youtube
[20:13] <Daviey> popey: I have had no sound on some html5 youtube videos
[20:13] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVXekyKwQAo&feature=feedu
[20:13] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pDhG_Q9oBg&feature=feedu
[20:18] <Daviey> Is it going to be a mistake if i try minecraft?
[20:18] <popey> heh
[20:19] <webpigeon_laptop> Daviey, productivity-wise, probably :P
[20:21] <daubers> Daviey: define "mistake"
[20:21] <daubers> Also, the /topic should be updated :)
[20:27]  * webpigeon_laptop hides
[20:28] <AlanBell> you can run but you can't hide
[20:28] <webpigeon_laptop> :P
[20:29] <DJones> Daviey: The mistake would be not trying minecraft :)
[20:30] <Daviey> hmm...
[20:33] <oimon1> evening chaps..having a video /dvd issue
[20:33] <oimon1> adding some m4v files to a dvd that i am combining to a single dvd
[20:34] <oimon1> first 3 files work fine, then the final file i am adding is reported at 125 fps instead of 25 and the preview in devede is playing wrongly..any ideas?
[20:35] <ali1234> convert everything into png sequence and wav with ffmpeg first
[20:35] <ali1234> then specify framerates by hand
[20:36] <ali1234> put it all back together as a nice editable format
[20:36] <oimon1> sounds like a lot of work
[20:36] <ali1234> then fix audio sync manually by skewing in a good video editor
[20:36] <ali1234> yeah, it's a lot of work
[20:36] <ali1234> but it pays well :)
[20:37]  * Daviey ponders 13.95...
[20:37] <Daviey> anyone wanna buy me a gift certificate? :)
[20:39] <oimon1> ali1234: you have any experience with a gui editor? i'm a bit noob at video encolding
[20:39] <ali1234> oimon1: only adobe
[20:44] <ali1234> has anyone ever tried to buy a kindle off amazon.com? (instead of amazon.co.uk)
[20:44] <popey> i did
[20:44] <ali1234> what happened?
[20:45] <ali1234> see, i have a gift balance on amazon.com
[20:45] <popey> it arrived in the post shortly after
[20:45] <ali1234> it's in dollars, cannot be used on .co.uk
[20:45] <popey> exactly what I had :D
[20:45] <ali1234> cool
[20:45] <ikonia> so if you buy one from .com you can't use it to shop at .co.uk ?
[20:45] <popey> it arrived and i used it via .com for some months
[20:45] <popey> then they launched in teh uk
[20:45] <ali1234> ah
[20:46] <popey> and there is a button on amazon.co.uk and it says "migrate your .com kindle"
[20:46] <ali1234> well, now you can buy them on .co.uk... .com redirects you
[20:46] <popey> so its easy to migrate
[20:46] <ikonia> ahhh, I have that on mine
[20:47] <ali1234> maybe if i use a proxy
[20:48] <peng42phone>  Better, back on the right side of the pennines
[20:51] <hamitron> can you move a .co.uk kindle to .com?
[21:35] <bigcalm[revo]> I got the DisplayLink graphics adaptor working \o/
[21:35] <bigcalm[revo]> Only at the expense of the nvidia monitors not working at the same time /o\
[21:52] <popey> haha
[21:53] <bigcalm[revo]> :(
[21:56] <bigcalm[revo]> It's not my night
[22:22] <brobostigon> good night, sleep well everyone.
[22:30] <Bomster> tara
[22:36] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/656714/ my / drive went read only
[22:36] <AlanBell> doesn't seem to have affected much
[22:37] <AlanBell> what can I do about it?
[22:39] <AlanBell> this is an ext4 partition running on an SD card
[22:44] <dutchie> have you tried turning it off and on again?
[22:44] <dutchie> (perhaps with a fsck in the middle)
[22:44] <AlanBell> funnily enough I have
[22:44] <dutchie> :)
[22:44] <AlanBell> it did it again, not sure an fsck happened though
[22:45] <AlanBell> is there a way to force that on boot?
[22:45] <dutchie> not sure, there it might be a kernel command option
[22:45] <dutchie> or just boot a live environment
[22:46] <AlanBell> right now the thing is receiving backups from other computers to an attached disk that is read/write still. I will try some other stuff tomorrow.
[22:46] <AlanBell> I can take the sd card out and plug it in my laptop to fsck
[22:46] <AlanBell> all servers should boot from SD cards
[22:47] <AlanBell> and all SD cards should not do silly faily things like this
[22:48] <directhex> mount -o remount,rw /
[22:49] <directhex> you can force a fsck by writing a file called "forcefsck" to the root of a partition
[22:51] <AlanBell> cool, I will do that tomorrow, thanks directhex
[22:55] <Bomster> Anyone from the Lakes, spent much time up there? Sorry I'm always spamming this channel with random shit
[22:56] <StevenR> Bomster: I grew up in that part of the world
[22:57] <Bomster> me and a few friends want to plan a trip there. Do you think it will be possible to have a start point and an end point, about 3 days walking apart, and just set up our tent at oubs in between?
[22:57] <StevenR> at pubs?
[22:58] <Bomster> just somewhere to eat etc
[22:58] <Bomster> and pitch up
[22:58] <Bomster> *pubs
[22:58] <hamitron> will depend on the pub at a guess ;)
[22:58] <StevenR> how do you intend to get from end back to start?
[22:58] <StevenR> leave one car at end?
[22:59] <Bomster> yeah, we were hoping to hitch or taxi back to the car at point A
[22:59] <StevenR> Bomster: you can't just camp anywhere, but there are campsites.
[22:59] <StevenR> you might struggle to hitch
[22:59] <StevenR> you could also do a circular route
[22:59] <hamitron> or choose locations with a train?
[23:00] <Bomster> yeah, thats what I was asking really, is there enough places to camp for us to be able to find
[23:00] <Bomster> yeah, a circular route is probably a batter idea
[23:00] <StevenR> hamitron: there's not a great deal of train in the lakes
[23:00] <StevenR> unless you could the L+H
[23:00] <StevenR> *count
[23:00] <Bomster> a circular route is no problem
[23:00] <Bomster> just want to incorporate Scafell Pike and Helvelyn
[23:01] <Bomster> (soz for bad spelling)
[23:01] <StevenR> (I assume you're sufficiently comfy with navigatin in fog, have all the appropriate kit, etc)
[23:02] <Bomster> yeah
[23:02] <Bomster> Got quite alot of kit, done alot of travelling round Europe
[23:02] <hamitron> "yeh man, I got my smart phone"
[23:02] <hamitron> ;)
[23:02] <Bomster> haha
[23:02] <Bomster> and that ;)
[23:02] <StevenR> (I met a tourist once in the middle of the cairngorms once, with a pac-a-mac and some jaffa cakes, and a lonely planet guide to scotland for naviagational aid
[23:03] <hamitron> :/
[23:03] <Bomster> hhaha
[23:03] <hamitron> I don't like jaffa cakes
[23:03] <StevenR> it's ok. he walked past us that evening on the way out
[23:03] <hamitron> :/
[23:03] <StevenR> but utterly ill prepared
[23:04] <directhex> i went to the lakes once or twice. in-laws used to have a flat there
[23:04] <directhex> spent my time at the pub.
[23:04] <Bomster> lol
[23:04] <hamitron> :D
[23:04] <Bomster> Sounds goo
[23:04] <Bomster> *d
[23:04] <directhex> also went to a wedding
[23:05] <directhex> and got stuck driving up a delightful local road called "the struggle" during a snowstorm
[23:05] <Bomster> It's a beautiful place.
[23:05] <hamitron> can I just ask.....
[23:05] <Bomster> Yes?
[23:05] <hamitron> what is wrong with a pac-a-mac?
[23:05] <hamitron> ;/
[23:05] <Bomster> lol
[23:06]  * hamitron doesn't wear pro gear
[23:06]  * Bomster wears whatever he can find in charity shops.
[23:06] <hamitron> meh
[23:07] <StevenR> hamitron: in combination with other kit, nothing. But as his sole protection against the elements on a not-very-nice-day in a reasonably remote valley?
[23:07] <hamitron> when you get rescued by the fit blondes in mountain rescue, you really gotta make an effort man
[23:07] <Bomster> haha
[23:07] <Bomster> It's not Baywatch, lol.
[23:08] <StevenR> we were worried enough that if we hadn't seen him walk past us on the way out of the mountains, we'd have gone back to find him
[23:08] <Bomster> StevenR, can you reccomend anyone I could possibly ring for some more info on the area?
[23:08] <StevenR> he asked if the bothy had a loo... he didn't like the response "Well, there's probably a spade"
[23:09] <StevenR> Bomster: local TIC?
[23:09] <StevenR> maybe Keswick or Ambleside
[23:09] <Bomster> Wow, bothys look awesome
[23:09] <Bomster> Yeah, will give 'em a call.
[23:10] <StevenR> more common in Scotland
[23:10] <StevenR> but it made us laugh alot.
[23:10] <hamitron> I got a good book on walks in North Yorkshire Moores
[23:10] <Bomster> looks amazing - http://www.bothy.com/BothyAld0001_25pc.jpg
[23:10] <hamitron> prob something for lakes too
[23:10] <StevenR> Bomster: where is that?
[23:10] <Bomster> just saw it on Google Images
[23:11] <Bomster> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=bothy&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1440&bih=802&tbm=isch&tbnid=4X1sM3oZGQXvUM:&imgrefurl=http://www.bothy.com/&docid=kg5wNNomL_MW7M&w=392&h=256&ei=lDI3Tq2HN8SzhAej8qGQAg&zoom=1
[23:11] <Bomster> In Scotland
[23:11] <StevenR> Bomster: it looks like one I stayed it
[23:11] <Bomster> Are they empty inside?
[23:12] <StevenR> some have like... wooden raised bits
[23:12] <StevenR> sometimes a bench or a few chairs
[23:12] <Bomster> and they're free?
[23:13] <StevenR> yeah. Some ask that you send some money on for upkeep and such
[23:13] <StevenR> there are societys that maintain
[23:13] <StevenR> if you ever stay in one, hang any food up
[23:13] <StevenR> (mice)
[23:14] <StevenR> I had my rucksack liner chewed through once
[23:14] <Bomster> Pro tip!
[23:14] <StevenR> (only a cheap one, so no biggie)
[23:14] <StevenR> write in the guest book too!
[23:14] <Bomster> of course!
[23:14] <StevenR> don't use all the firewood
[23:14] <Bomster> Do you just kip on the floor?
[23:15] <Bomster> Alos, do you often meet others in?
[23:15] <StevenR> some have raised areas, like big 6x3 boxes, others have upper floors, varies so much.
[23:15] <StevenR> sometimes.
[23:15] <StevenR> it's considered bad form to take large groups
[23:16] <StevenR> cos then you fill them
[23:16] <Bomster> Only 3 of us
[23:16] <StevenR> no problems then
[23:16] <StevenR> sweep up when you leave and all that.
[23:17] <Bomster> they sound brilliant
[23:17] <Bomster> Are they on most maps?
[23:17] <Bomster> OS and the like?
[23:17] <StevenR> the OS maps will show 'em
[23:17] <StevenR> usually like "Ryvoan Bothy" with little "building here" square
[23:18] <Bomster> awesome
[23:18] <Bomster> so you reckon there are only a few in the LAkes?
[23:18] <StevenR> I don't think there are many
[23:18] <Bomster> What about in bonnie Scotland?
[23:18] <StevenR> they're more converted/abandonned steadings in Scotland
[23:18] <hamitron> but no beer.....
[23:18] <hamitron> :/
[23:18] <Bomster> lol
[23:19] <StevenR> hamitron: you carry in whiskey.
[23:19] <Bomster> Multi puropse.
[23:19] <StevenR> or beer, but whiskey is "lighter"
[23:19] <hamitron> also less filling
[23:19] <hamitron> ;)
[23:19] <StevenR> :)
[23:20]  * hamitron would plan a route with pubs and/or campsites
[23:20] <Bomster> Beer is a freat recovery drink though
[23:20] <hamitron> or maybe a farm
[23:20] <Bomster> yeah, think my mates will want pubs and campsites
[23:21] <StevenR> Bomster: some are marked as "Refuges" like "Fords of Avon Refuge"... and they're just that. That particular one is a tin shack with a cairn built over it in big rocks to hold it down... with just enough space for about 4 people to sit in discomfort rather than die of exposure
[23:22] <Bomster> haha, is that a bothy?
[23:22] <StevenR> ?
[23:22] <Bomster> Refuge = bothy?
[23:22] <StevenR> no
[23:22] <Bomster> kk
[23:22] <StevenR> a bothy is an old house or steading that's a nice place to live
[23:22] <StevenR> or at least stay for a night
[23:23] <Bomster> So Pub>Campsite>Bothy>Refuge, lol?
[23:23] <Bomster> http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/03/17/2031763_3e142263.jpg
[23:23] <StevenR> a refuge is a place you hide for a little while because it's better than dieing in the mountains. Like if you had to drag yourself somewhere to wait for the mountain rescue to rock up and stretcher you out.
[23:24] <hamitron> B&B also
[23:24] <hamitron> :)
[23:24] <StevenR> Bomster: is that the one? FoAR ?
[23:24] <Bomster> yeah
[23:24] <StevenR> I thought it was (been about 5 years since I went there)
[23:25] <StevenR> it's at the join of 4 valleys in the cairngorms. It's got no floor, it probably leaks a bit, etc.
[23:25] <StevenR> it's litterally a refuge
[23:25] <Bomster> apparantly it regurlaly has a few inches of water
[23:26] <Bomster> this is supposed to be a good read - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mountain-Days-Bothy-Nights-Luath/dp/0946487154
[23:26] <StevenR> it's in a hugely accessible, but very exposed position
[23:26] <Bomster> Can you get OS maps from local libraries?
[23:27] <StevenR> dunno
[23:30] <Bomster> Also would you say Lake District > Peak District
[23:30] <StevenR> not been to the PD enough to say
[23:31] <Bomster> The Lakes are more mountainous I guess?
[23:40] <Bomster> Night guys, thanks alot for all the info and all your help. Cheers.
[23:40] <Bomster> nick Bomster|Away
[23:40] <Bomster> oooops
[23:40] <Bomsrer|Away> Def tired.