[01:05] <MarkDude> grantbow, I am headed to Scala
[01:06] <grantbow> nice, me too
[01:51] <MarkDude> Hey there iheartubuntu
[01:52] <iheartubuntu> hey hey, whats new
[01:52] <MarkDude> I have happy plants- they survived my trip to Portland
[01:52] <iheartubuntu> wow!
[01:52] <MarkDude> Last 2 years they died during my absence
[01:52] <iheartubuntu> has it been cooler there? its been for the most part, nice and comfortable down here
[01:53] <MarkDude> Here too- I know it helped to not have 100+
[01:53] <akk> The cape gooseberries (including the seedlings in pots) all did great while I was in LA.
[01:53] <MarkDude> Right on akk
[01:53] <iheartubuntu> my dad is nursing my gooseberry
[01:53] <MarkDude> Some of mine cut back on blooms
[01:53] <akk> 2 weeks away, and I was afraid they wouldn't have enough water to last, but they look very healthy.
[01:53] <MarkDude> They are super tough
[01:53] <iheartubuntu> ive leveled my garden
[01:53] <MarkDude> They can hold off flowering and wait til more water
[01:54] <akk> Also, two of my spider plants are actually putting out spiders! Great excitement.
[01:55] <sn9> meeting night?
[01:56] <akk> sn9: Aw, you mean you want us to talk about ubuntu and not gardening?
[01:56] <sn9> i have reduced relevance in a different category
[01:57] <MarkDude> Its not meeting time yet
[01:57] <sn9> it's almost 8pm here
[01:57] <MarkDude> Your relevance is rife with discussion possibilities sn9
[01:57] <MarkDude> ;D
[01:58] <MarkDude> 2 minutes and counting
[01:58] <grantbow> horse shoes and hand grenades?
[01:58] <MarkDude> Sitting next to Dangerous MFing grantbow at moment
[02:00] <pleia2> hi everyone :)
[02:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[02:00] <iheartubuntu> hiya lyz
[02:00] <pleia2> Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11July31
[02:00] <jyo> hihi
[02:00] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting?
[02:00] <pleia2> o/
[02:00] <jyo> o/
[02:00] <eps> with silver bells and cockle shells
[02:00] <pleia2> oh no, MarkDude and grantbow sitting together irl for the meeting
[02:00] <akk> o/
[02:01] <pleia2> :)
[02:01] <grantbow> lol
[02:01] <pleia2> ok, we'll jump right in then
[02:01] <pleia2> (we'll do announcements at the end)
[02:01] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Final review of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/ApprovalApplication2011
[02:01] <pleia2> we've reviewed this a few times at meetings and on the mailing list so I think we're ready to submit it, but I just wanted to double-check no one else had comments
[02:02] <rww> \o
[02:02] <philipballew> here!
[02:02] <akk> oh, good, some red people. xchat was showing everybody else who's here as light blue or green.
[02:02] <pleia2> hehe
[02:02] <rww> pleia2: looks fine to me
[02:03] <rww> (and yes, I actually read it this time :P)
[02:03] <pleia2> thanks rww :)
[02:03] <pleia2> I'll add it to the council agenda and send a note to the list when the meeting is going to be
[02:04] <pleia2> [TOPIC] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Picnix20 planning
[02:04] <eps> akk: I see dim people
[02:04] <pleia2> we actually only have one more meeting before the end of august when this happens, but I'm not particularly worried - we've done this before :)
[02:04] <pleia2> I'll nudge aaditya for our table number, but we pretty much just need to get our list-of-stuff to bring sorted and we'll be good for the picnic
[02:05] <grantbow> great
[02:05] <eps> I'm worried ... the last message I saw about the picnic was dated July 16 ...
[02:05] <grantbow> worry not :-)
[02:06] <eps> ... it said the reservation database was supposed to open two weeks ago now
[02:06] <eps> It hasn't happened. :-(
[02:06] <pleia2> eps: aaditya is the organizer this year, might nudge him about it
[02:06] <eps> Their wiki looks like it hasn't been touched since March.
[02:06] <MarkDude> Are there cookies on list again?
[02:07]  * rww ponders pretending to be a mootbot to make pleia2 happy :P
[02:07]  * MarkDude is cookie monster
[02:07] <grantbow> eps: please talk to aditya with concerns. I would appreciate your effort on this temendously
[02:07] <eps> *I* am not the organizer.
[02:07] <pleia2> MarkDude: heather said she'd make ubuntu cookies :) and I'm making android cookies!
[02:07] <grantbow> eps: aaditya is
[02:08] <pleia2> eps: our table is set for the picnic, so there aren't really organizational concerns for the california team specifically
[02:08] <pleia2> if you have personal questions about registration, aaditya is the one to talk to
[02:09] <eps> The concern is whether there's even going to be a picnic, since there has been *nothing* online ... not on their wiki, facebook, mailing list, anything as far as I can see.
[02:09] <pleia2> there is
[02:09] <MarkDude> pleia2, fair enough- as long as cookies are represented
[02:09] <pleia2> MarkDude :)
[02:10] <pleia2> anyway, if anyone is bringing things they can add them to the wiki page (I also made a loco directory event, you can rsvp there if you want, I'll add the picnic rsvp to the site once it's active): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Picnix20
[02:10] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Announcements, comments, other topics
[02:11] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam is happening Sept 2-4, Labor day weekend
[02:11] <pleia2> no one has anything planned yet, but if you want to plan something now is the time to start :)
[02:11] <pleia2> (I'll be out of town)
[02:12] <philipballew> so cal will *probably have one
[02:12] <pleia2> I suspect jono will have one in walnut creek
[02:12]  * philipballew needs to get his act together on it
[02:12] <pleia2> :)
[02:12]  * MarkDude will be down south for wedding then, and OLF for the next
[02:13] <rww> I'll be in college starting craziness then, so count me out :(
[02:13] <pleia2> oh, berkeleylug and partimus reserved a booth at solano stroll the OLF weekend (Sept 11th) so that's upcoming in september too
[02:13] <grantbow> I will be preparing for a trip but will attend.
[02:13] <MarkDude> Damn, that is fun, I dont want to miss the stroll
[02:14] <pleia2> MarkDude: sorry :) I didn't realize it either until beth lynn pointed it out to me while we were planning the partimus bit
[02:14] <pleia2> so many events, so little time
[02:14] <MarkDude> Speaking in Ohio then
[02:14] <grantbow> indeed
[02:14] <grantbow> more clones
[02:14] <philipballew> i will be to rww , but if its on a saturday or something no class in session
[02:14] <pleia2> hehe
[02:14] <pleia2> anyone else have announcements or other things?
[02:15] <rww> philipballew: gonna be my first semester there, so I'll be busy anyway :)
[02:15] <philipballew> oh nice :) good luck wherever it is rww
[02:16] <MarkDude> where is it rww?
[02:16] <pleia2> ok, I think we'll wrap up the meeting then
[02:16] <pleia2> going once..!
[02:17] <MarkDude> Wait
[02:17]  * MarkDude had his penguin suit disappear at OSCON
[02:17] <pleia2> oh dear
[02:17] <MarkDude> keep eye out for it
[02:17] <MarkDude> I know
[02:17] <MarkDude> I will email list-
[02:17] <pleia2> ok
[02:17] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:17] <pleia2> thanks everyone
[02:17]  * philipballew will chase anyone down he sees in a penguin suit
[02:17] <rww> MarkDude: How was the Fedora booth at OSCON?
[02:17] <MarkDude> ok thats all- its been a bit stressful
[02:17] <akk> Dang! I never got to see MarkDude wearing the suit.
[02:18] <grantbow> thanks pleia2
[02:18]  * rww was chatting with someone else who went the other day
[02:18] <MarkDude> it was great
[02:18] <MarkDude> as was Ubuntu's
[02:18] <MarkDude> they had full staff as well as Ryan Singer there
[02:18] <MarkDude> Oregon team will be official soon also
[02:19] <pleia2> woohoo oregon
[02:20] <rww> MarkDude: nice
[02:21] <MarkDude> Is nice not to be acting lead anymore
[02:21] <rww> MarkDude: how on earth did you lose a penguin suit
[02:21] <MarkDude> was kinda wierd
[02:21] <MarkDude> rww they had no coatrack
[02:21] <eps> Were you wearing it at the time? Is there video?
[02:21] <MarkDude> so it was at entrance
[02:21] <MarkDude> there are video before
[02:24] <philipballew>  pleia2 does anyone have a global jam planned for so cal?
[02:25] <pleia2> philipballew: not currently
[02:26] <iheartubuntu> phil are you going to be down in socal with school again?
[02:26] <philipballew> well If noone has any plan for one, I can easily find a place to do one at. yeah iheartubuntu i leave here in a few weeks
[02:27] <iheartubuntu> if there is one in SD i could make the trip
[02:27] <philipballew> i was thinking on say a saturday, because we all have work during the week
[02:27] <iheartubuntu> or we could plan something a bit more north if nathan would be avail
[02:27] <philipballew> that would work. if nathan is down
[02:28] <iheartubuntu> im planning a new UbuntuOne to coincide with the claremont colleges starting up again.. right now its a ghost town
[02:28] <pleia2> Ubuntu Hour? :)
[02:28] <iheartubuntu> ohh yah
[02:29] <iheartubuntu> :)
[02:29] <philipballew> im not sure the type of place that the global jam should be held at
[02:29] <philipballew> haha
[02:29] <pleia2> philipballew: since people need to have computers and internet it has to be some place that's friendly to that sort of thing
[02:29] <iheartubuntu> i think nathan is working on a new ubuntu one :)
[02:29] <pleia2> we do it at a pizzeria, but jdeslip knows the owners and are aware of frequent berkeleylug meetings
[02:29] <iheartubuntu> i'll stick with ubuntu hours
[02:30] <philipballew> but like how many people would you expect to show up?
[02:30] <pleia2> 1 or 100 :)
[02:30] <pleia2> depends on the venue, timing, area...
[02:30] <pleia2> the biggest one I've hosted was about 30 people, was in an office building back in philly
[02:31] <iheartubuntu> ive been exploring downtown LA a bunch lately... seems like a ton of tech people around there... i think it might be an interesting experiment since a bunch of metro lines converge in downtown
[02:31] <pleia2> the berkeleylug ones tend to be standard berkeleylug turnout, 5-12 people
[02:31] <pleia2> if you don't have the space you can limit registration though
[02:31] <philipballew> haha, true, so a coffee shop I have help host the ubuntu hours there might be to small
[02:32] <pleia2> depends on how friendly the coffee shop is to you taking up space with laptops and internet :)
[02:33] <philipballew> if i get there at a "non-meal" time and call ahead and say 10-20 people will be here and buying food, I dont see how they can turn that down
[02:34] <philipballew> unless nhaines has any global jam planes\
[02:35] <pleia2> jyo: are you editing the meeting agenda page?
[02:36] <philipballew> ill email darkwing and kevin and see what their ideas are
[02:37] <iheartubuntu> phil, please keep me informed of any updates
[02:41] <philipballew> iheartubuntu, emails sent. ill tweet you if i get anything probably
[02:41] <iheartubuntu> ok awesome thanks
[02:42] <pleia2> g 102
[02:42] <pleia2> oops
[02:46] <iheartubuntu> like a g102
[02:46] <iheartubuntu> its better than a g6
[02:46] <MarkDude> fly like that <<<< yep
[02:46] <philipballew> feelin so fly!
[02:47] <MarkDude> True.
[02:48] <jyo> pleia2: Nay.
[02:49] <iheartubuntu> wait til its friday
[02:50] <iheartubuntu> gotta have my cereal
[02:50] <philipballew> that represents american consumerism
[02:51] <philipballew> and the back seat is a metaphor for American forgen policy
[02:51] <iheartubuntu> cruisin so fast, i want time to fly (in my g6)
[02:52] <philipballew> maybe the ubuntu ca group needs to go see them in concert
[02:52] <philipballew> ...not Rebekkah black
[02:52] <philipballew> haha
[02:53] <philipballew> iheartubuntu, did you ever think about the game night thing?
[02:54] <iheartubuntu> i have a list of a bunch of games some place, but the overall feel of my list is pointing to first person shooter multiplayer
[02:55] <philipballew> urben terror is nice
[02:55] <philipballew> would somebody be running a server of the game someone picks?
[02:55] <iheartubuntu> i think an MMORPG or whatever its called like Regnum Online would be a lot of fun since we can all see each other and we can all be on the same team. there are no limits to amount of players, etc
[02:57] <philipballew> seemes like a good idea
[02:57] <iheartubuntu> how often should we do it? once a month? twice a month... for an hour or two after each meeting would be nice
[02:58] <philipballew> we could go against other distros! haha
[02:58] <philipballew> it could just always be on and whoever wants to play can play and we also have planned nights
[02:59] <iheartubuntu> ok, i'll clean up my list of games, and create a pro/con list for each game and have this ready for next team meeting here in two weeks
[02:59] <philipballew> ill back you up on it
[03:00] <iheartubuntu> for anyone running an Ubuntu Hour, i recommend posting to forums, mailing list, etc 3 or 4 days before. I notice more people when i do this
[03:01] <iheartubuntu> last pasadena UH was 8 people because of this. when i sent these notes out the day of the UH it was just 4 people
[03:01] <akk> Yeah, it's always kind of jarring to hear about an ubuntu hour happening in 3 hours that you never knew about before ...
[03:01] <iheartubuntu> ok PB
[03:02] <iheartubuntu> akk - yah this way people can plan for it better
[03:02] <philipballew> i think the mailing list can be limiting somewhat due to not many people being on it iheartubuntu
[03:02] <akk> The mailing list is the best way, for me -- if it's on twitter or facebook or something, I'll only see it if I happen to check in at the right time.
[03:02] <pleia2> twitter has over 1000 followers, far more than any of our other resources
[03:02] <iheartubuntu> its just one method. scribble out 10-15 ideas how to promote a UH and implement 3-5 of them.
[03:03] <pleia2> but anything we put in the loco directory is posted on twitter the day of
[03:04] <rww> except it's twitter, so 99% of them are spammers or people who don't actually check their account :P
[03:04] <pleia2> maybe 10%
[03:04] <MarkDude> Happy reminder for MLs day- its starting now
[03:04] <pleia2> lots of people are real :)
[03:05] <pleia2> MarkDude: hah, yeah, I was like "it's august!?"
[03:05] <philipballew> what about facebook? how often is that updated?
[03:05] <rww> twitter user retention after a month is about 40%
[03:06] <pleia2> rww: I was trying to balance your made up statistic with one of my own, in the other direction
[03:06] <MarkDude> Coreboot is in Denmark- so they are 1st for me
[03:06] <rww> pleia2: hehe
[03:06] <pleia2> :D
[03:06] <rww> philipballew: aiui, the team Facebook, Twitter, and identi.ca are all updated identically often
[03:06] <pleia2> yeah, it's automatically cross-posted
[03:07] <akk> Just remember, 78.6% of all statistics are made up.
[03:07] <MarkDude> akk lol
[03:07] <philipballew> twitter is the best social medium today imo
[03:07] <rww> word of mouth is the best social medium :P
[03:07] <MarkDude> lol
[03:07] <akk> I have no idea what % of twitter followers are bots/spammers; but even of the real people, not all of them will be monitoring at any given time.
[03:07] <akk> IRC is the best social medium. :)
[03:08] <philipballew> i get ubuntu ca tweets sent to my cell phone
[03:08] <rww> philipballew: nerd!
[03:08] <pleia2> heheh
[03:08]  * rww used to get IRC highlights sent to his cellphone >.>
[03:08] <akk> I see tweets if 1. I'm at the computer 2. I'm not busy working on stuff and 3. xchat hasn't forgotten its marker line again, so I can see where the new tweets start
[03:11] <philipballew> do we have a g+ account yet?
[03:11] <jyo> There's no org g+ accounts yet, right?
[03:12] <akk> I think that's right.
[03:12] <pleia2> right
[03:15] <rww> Company g+ accounts are in closed don't-ask-us-we'll-ask-you trial.
[03:15] <rww> e.g. https://plus.google.com/114277687548103339609
[03:15] <pleia2> ah :)
[03:16] <jyo> I think I'm going to organize my circles by affilation and geographical locations.
[03:16] <philipballew> mine are all in following myself i think
[03:31] <philipballew> does anyone know how I can tell what a program is written in so I can know how to complie the tarball?
[03:33] <grantbow> try running strings on it
[03:33] <rww> philipballew: so you have some source code files and want to know what language it is? 'file' command.
[03:34] <philipballew> yeah. i downloaded the humblee inde bundle! and 2 of the games come in tar.bz
[03:36] <philipballew> *tar.gz
[03:40] <rww> so extract them and run the files inside?
[03:41] <iheartubuntu> usually inside is an installer file... like cogs.bin or whatever
[03:42] <philipballew> there is just a launcher to run the program
[03:42] <jyo> Is there a compile-it-yourself discount version? :)
[03:42] <philipballew> its really weird
[03:42] <philipballew> i ususlly only pay a penny to download them and pay more when i get them running.
[03:42] <philipballew> im thinking 10 dollars
[03:48] <iheartubuntu> i paid $15 for bundle #1, $15 for #2 and eeeeekkkk only $5 for #3. im trying to budget my mulah these days
[03:48] <philipballew> i didnt have any money for 1 therefor didnt get it and never found a url for it
[03:49] <philipballew> iheartubuntu, how did you install the tarballs for 3?
[03:49] <iheartubuntu> i  have only had time for Cogs so far.. and it had an installer
[03:50] <iheartubuntu> these tar games though i have never figured out how to install... just run the game.
[03:50] <iheartubuntu> you could put the extracted tar in a games directory and then create a desktop or menu link
[03:50] <iheartubuntu> thats my lazy way :)
[03:51] <philipballew> the thing i dont understand is the tarballs dont have a way to make. check install like most tarballs
[18:24] <nhaines> The Ubuntu Font Family now has a compressed font available.  (for a certain value of available.)
[18:25] <pleia2> nice
[18:25] <nhaines> I'm not really sure what I'd use it for.  :)  But it's not bad.
[18:28]  * MarkDude plans to use it on a few Fedora items, want to see if anyone notices ;D
[18:33] <pleia2> lol
[18:33]  * negronjl is away: out to lunch
[18:33] <pleia2> negronjl: please don't use public away messages here
[18:33] <negronjl> pleia2:  sorry...didn't know they'll get posted on _every_ channel.
[18:34]  * MarkDude is watering garden, but is monitoring :)
[18:34] <pleia2> it'll get you kicked from -meeting
[18:34] <pleia2> and -classroom
[18:34] <pleia2> so you should probably turn it off :)
[18:34] <negronjl> pleia2:  will do
[18:34]  * MarkDude got heads up a while ago on changing nicks
[18:34] <MarkDude> :)
[18:35] <MarkDude> Hmmm, every channel.
[18:35] <nhaines> I was hoping for hinted Ubuntu Monospace.  :(  Unhinted is beautiful in Ubuntu and in PuTTY on Windows it *almost* makes that a pleasant experience except Windows XP apparently uses the Windows 3.0 font renderer or something because it is *ugly*.  :)
[18:35] <MarkDude> pleia2, is awesome. She is very helpful on cluing folks in
[18:35]  * MarkDude included ;)
[18:36] <akk> There's always a need for better monospace fonts. Especially sans-serif ones.
[18:36]  * pleia2 nods
[18:37] <akk> Especially if they have a wide selection of characters (accented, emdashes etc.)
[18:37] <akk> That's still a problem with a lot of the monospace fonts.
[18:40] <nhaines> Ubuntu Monospace is beautiful.  The difference in Evolution was instant.
[18:40] <nhaines> Unfortunately, the font size is annoying.  :)
[18:42] <akk> Fonts are so frustrating -- they render so differently on every screen and distro, so I have to go through a long selection process with every machine+distro.
[18:42] <akk> I wish I could just pick a font that looks nice and has an aspect ratio I like, and use that everywhere, maybe just changing the size slightly
[18:43] <akk> but with most fonts, changing the size drastically changes how it renders and what its aspect ratio is.
[18:50] <bkerensa> Hi All
[18:50] <bkerensa> :)
[18:50] <pleia2> g'day bkerensa
[18:50]  * bkerensa used to be a Californian
[18:50]  * bkerensa is now a Califoregonian 
[18:52] <akk> Close enough. :)
[18:59]  * bkerensa was born in the Sac
[18:59] <bkerensa> :P
[18:59] <MarkDude> bkerensa, is now lead for Oregon
[18:59] <MarkDude> And also a badass
[18:59] <MarkDude> :)
[19:00] <pleia2> oh good, I'm glad that got sorted :)
[19:01] <MarkDude> Yes, remote management is less than ideal at times
[19:05] <bkerensa> lol
[19:06] <bkerensa> Spotufy needs to fix their repo
[19:06] <bkerensa> =/
[19:06] <bkerensa> Spotify even
[19:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: Your council? If so I wanna pick your brain sometime :)
[20:18] <bkerensa> :)
[21:33] <locodir-user> hey all
[21:33] <locodir-user> I dont know if im in the right place but I need some help with a shell script
[21:34] <locodir-user> any volunteers
[23:16] <philipballew> has anyone here ever installed ubuntu to a mac ever?
[23:17] <akk> I've seen the husband do it. Don't own a mac myself.
[23:19] <philipballew> friend gave me a mac to install it on akk it doesnt install the typical way as i keep getting an error when i boot from the cd saying unable to find a medium containing a live file system” error when installing
[23:20] <philipballew> which seemes odd myself
[23:21] <philipballew> ubuntu mac needs an irc haha
[23:22] <MarkDude> It depends on exact arch with it philipballew
[23:22]  * MarkDude has seen it done
[23:23] <MarkDude> in a few ways- and am not talking about old PPC arch either
[23:23] <philipballew> MarkDude, well the laptop has 4 gigs ram so 64 bit seems the best way
[23:23]  * MarkDude does not know how to do it however
[23:23] <philipballew> theres a mac wiki on ubuntu.com i looked at for a few minutes
[23:24] <pleia2> I suspect MarkDude meant ppc vs x86 macs
[23:24] <pleia2> but if it has 4G of ram it's not ppc
[23:25] <MarkDude> Well even with *86 - I have seen the tools vary
[23:25] <MarkDude> sexycatsin hats is expert on this
[23:25] <pleia2> we installed ubuntu on a macbook at an ubuntu hour once, it wasn't a problem
[23:25] <pleia2> but yeah, it uses that boot thing in the beginning which can be weird
[23:26] <philipballew> effi or something i think it said pleia2 . i guess i have to boot into osx and install that probably
[23:27] <pleia2> I've only ever installed linux on old ppc macs
[23:28] <jyo> Is there some EFI funkiness with the install?
[23:28] <philipballew> me as well, done it 3 times this month. osx is way to locked down
[23:28] <philipballew> jyo, not sure. its different then pc instals haha
[23:29] <kdub_> philipballew: i dunno if i can do a full day bug jam
[23:30] <kdub_> maybe for a bit in the morning or something
[23:30] <kdub_> that, and i need to coordinate schedules, see if i can even do that :P
[23:30] <philipballew> I would assume morning is best time for anything haha
[23:32] <philipballew> darkwing said he wants to do alot of that planning for it and get some people to come
[23:33] <kdub_> yeah, life's been hectic over here the last few months
[23:34] <akk> I think on macs you have to press a key (c?) to boot from a live cd.
[23:34] <philipballew> sorry bout that kdub_  work stressful?
[23:34] <akk> There used to be severe EFI problems but supposedly those have been fixed with grub2.
[23:34] <philipballew> akk yeah, thats when i get the funky error. i might just try a different cd and see what i get with that
[23:34] <akk> (the one thing grub2 is better at than grub1 ...)
[23:35] <kdub_> philipballew: nah, lots of other things though. plus its summer in SD, outside calls
[23:36] <philipballew> i hear this summer is nice weather
[23:36] <philipballew> akk is it always gonna be the slowest speed is best on burning?
[23:36] <philipballew> i always do 10x
[23:42] <akk> I always try to use the slowest speed -- I have really bad luck with burning.
[23:42] <akk> But mostly linux cd burning apps ignore anything you tell them about speed anyway, and do whatever they feel like doing.
[23:44] <philipballew> haha, k3b is what i use. its good for most things i need
[23:47] <akk> k3b definitely did that, ignored what I told it about speed
[23:47] <akk> back when I could use it -- now it has a hundred requirements I don't want to install, so I quit using it
[23:52] <philipballew> what do you use? akk
[23:53] <akk> honestly, I can't remember -- the last few times I burned CDs I used cdrecord, and before that, I think maybe I used the xfce one (xfburn?)
[23:53] <akk> but I have such terrible luck with CDs, I've pretty much stopped even trying to burn them.
[23:53] <akk> I used to do it maybe once a year, and I would discover that my CD drive had stopped working since the last time
[23:54] <akk> and I'd either buy a new cable or a new cd drive, and it would work, and I'd be good for another 6-12 months 'til the next time.
[23:54] <akk> And they don't last long anyway, and USB sticks are so much smaller to carry around.
[23:55] <philipballew> cd's are becoming out of date in some regard
[23:57] <kdub_> cds are way out of date