[01:05] grantbow, I am headed to Scala [01:06] nice, me too === DonkeyHotei is now known as sn9 [01:51] Hey there iheartubuntu [01:52] hey hey, whats new [01:52] I have happy plants- they survived my trip to Portland [01:52] wow! [01:52] Last 2 years they died during my absence [01:52] has it been cooler there? its been for the most part, nice and comfortable down here [01:53] Here too- I know it helped to not have 100+ [01:53] The cape gooseberries (including the seedlings in pots) all did great while I was in LA. [01:53] Right on akk [01:53] my dad is nursing my gooseberry [01:53] Some of mine cut back on blooms [01:53] 2 weeks away, and I was afraid they wouldn't have enough water to last, but they look very healthy. [01:53] They are super tough [01:53] ive leveled my garden [01:53] They can hold off flowering and wait til more water [01:54] Also, two of my spider plants are actually putting out spiders! Great excitement. [01:55] meeting night? [01:56] sn9: Aw, you mean you want us to talk about ubuntu and not gardening? [01:56] i have reduced relevance in a different category [01:57] Its not meeting time yet [01:57] it's almost 8pm here [01:57] Your relevance is rife with discussion possibilities sn9 [01:57] ;D [01:58] 2 minutes and counting [01:58] horse shoes and hand grenades? [01:58] Sitting next to Dangerous MFing grantbow at moment [02:00] hi everyone :) [02:00] #startmeeting [02:00] hiya lyz [02:00] Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11July31 [02:00] hihi [02:00] who all is here for the meeting? [02:00] o/ [02:00] o/ [02:00] with silver bells and cockle shells [02:00] oh no, MarkDude and grantbow sitting together irl for the meeting [02:00] o/ [02:01] :) [02:01] lol [02:01] ok, we'll jump right in then [02:01] (we'll do announcements at the end) [02:01] [TOPIC] Final review of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/ApprovalApplication2011 [02:01] we've reviewed this a few times at meetings and on the mailing list so I think we're ready to submit it, but I just wanted to double-check no one else had comments [02:02] \o [02:02] here! [02:02] oh, good, some red people. xchat was showing everybody else who's here as light blue or green. [02:02] hehe [02:02] pleia2: looks fine to me [02:03] (and yes, I actually read it this time :P) [02:03] thanks rww :) [02:03] I'll add it to the council agenda and send a note to the list when the meeting is going to be [02:04] [TOPIC] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Picnix20 planning [02:04] akk: I see dim people [02:04] we actually only have one more meeting before the end of august when this happens, but I'm not particularly worried - we've done this before :) [02:04] I'll nudge aaditya for our table number, but we pretty much just need to get our list-of-stuff to bring sorted and we'll be good for the picnic [02:05] great [02:05] I'm worried ... the last message I saw about the picnic was dated July 16 ... [02:05] worry not :-) [02:06] ... it said the reservation database was supposed to open two weeks ago now [02:06] It hasn't happened. :-( [02:06] eps: aaditya is the organizer this year, might nudge him about it [02:06] Their wiki looks like it hasn't been touched since March. [02:06] Are there cookies on list again? [02:07] * rww ponders pretending to be a mootbot to make pleia2 happy :P [02:07] * MarkDude is cookie monster [02:07] eps: please talk to aditya with concerns. I would appreciate your effort on this temendously [02:07] *I* am not the organizer. [02:07] MarkDude: heather said she'd make ubuntu cookies :) and I'm making android cookies! [02:07] eps: aaditya is [02:08] eps: our table is set for the picnic, so there aren't really organizational concerns for the california team specifically [02:08] if you have personal questions about registration, aaditya is the one to talk to [02:09] The concern is whether there's even going to be a picnic, since there has been *nothing* online ... not on their wiki, facebook, mailing list, anything as far as I can see. [02:09] there is [02:09] pleia2, fair enough- as long as cookies are represented [02:09] MarkDude :) [02:10] anyway, if anyone is bringing things they can add them to the wiki page (I also made a loco directory event, you can rsvp there if you want, I'll add the picnic rsvp to the site once it's active): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Picnix20 [02:10] [TOPIC] Announcements, comments, other topics [02:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam is happening Sept 2-4, Labor day weekend [02:11] no one has anything planned yet, but if you want to plan something now is the time to start :) [02:11] (I'll be out of town) [02:12] so cal will *probably have one [02:12] I suspect jono will have one in walnut creek [02:12] * philipballew needs to get his act together on it [02:12] :) [02:12] * MarkDude will be down south for wedding then, and OLF for the next [02:13] I'll be in college starting craziness then, so count me out :( [02:13] oh, berkeleylug and partimus reserved a booth at solano stroll the OLF weekend (Sept 11th) so that's upcoming in september too [02:13] I will be preparing for a trip but will attend. [02:13] Damn, that is fun, I dont want to miss the stroll [02:14] MarkDude: sorry :) I didn't realize it either until beth lynn pointed it out to me while we were planning the partimus bit [02:14] so many events, so little time [02:14] Speaking in Ohio then [02:14] indeed [02:14] more clones [02:14] i will be to rww , but if its on a saturday or something no class in session [02:14] hehe [02:14] anyone else have announcements or other things? [02:15] philipballew: gonna be my first semester there, so I'll be busy anyway :) [02:15] oh nice :) good luck wherever it is rww [02:16] where is it rww? [02:16] ok, I think we'll wrap up the meeting then [02:16] going once..! [02:17] Wait [02:17] * MarkDude had his penguin suit disappear at OSCON [02:17] oh dear [02:17] keep eye out for it [02:17] I know [02:17] I will email list- [02:17] ok [02:17] #endmeeting [02:17] thanks everyone [02:17] * philipballew will chase anyone down he sees in a penguin suit [02:17] MarkDude: How was the Fedora booth at OSCON? [02:17] ok thats all- its been a bit stressful [02:17] Dang! I never got to see MarkDude wearing the suit. [02:18] thanks pleia2 [02:18] * rww was chatting with someone else who went the other day [02:18] it was great [02:18] as was Ubuntu's [02:18] they had full staff as well as Ryan Singer there [02:18] Oregon team will be official soon also [02:19] woohoo oregon [02:20] MarkDude: nice [02:21] Is nice not to be acting lead anymore [02:21] MarkDude: how on earth did you lose a penguin suit [02:21] was kinda wierd [02:21] rww they had no coatrack [02:21] Were you wearing it at the time? Is there video? [02:21] so it was at entrance [02:21] there are video before [02:24] pleia2 does anyone have a global jam planned for so cal? [02:25] philipballew: not currently [02:26] phil are you going to be down in socal with school again? [02:26] well If noone has any plan for one, I can easily find a place to do one at. yeah iheartubuntu i leave here in a few weeks [02:27] if there is one in SD i could make the trip [02:27] i was thinking on say a saturday, because we all have work during the week [02:27] or we could plan something a bit more north if nathan would be avail [02:27] that would work. if nathan is down [02:28] im planning a new UbuntuOne to coincide with the claremont colleges starting up again.. right now its a ghost town [02:28] Ubuntu Hour? :) [02:28] ohh yah [02:29] :) [02:29] im not sure the type of place that the global jam should be held at [02:29] haha [02:29] philipballew: since people need to have computers and internet it has to be some place that's friendly to that sort of thing [02:29] i think nathan is working on a new ubuntu one :) [02:29] we do it at a pizzeria, but jdeslip knows the owners and are aware of frequent berkeleylug meetings [02:29] i'll stick with ubuntu hours [02:30] but like how many people would you expect to show up? [02:30] 1 or 100 :) [02:30] depends on the venue, timing, area... [02:30] the biggest one I've hosted was about 30 people, was in an office building back in philly [02:31] ive been exploring downtown LA a bunch lately... seems like a ton of tech people around there... i think it might be an interesting experiment since a bunch of metro lines converge in downtown [02:31] the berkeleylug ones tend to be standard berkeleylug turnout, 5-12 people [02:31] if you don't have the space you can limit registration though [02:31] haha, true, so a coffee shop I have help host the ubuntu hours there might be to small [02:32] depends on how friendly the coffee shop is to you taking up space with laptops and internet :) [02:33] if i get there at a "non-meal" time and call ahead and say 10-20 people will be here and buying food, I dont see how they can turn that down [02:34] unless nhaines has any global jam planes\ [02:35] jyo: are you editing the meeting agenda page? [02:36] ill email darkwing and kevin and see what their ideas are [02:37] phil, please keep me informed of any updates [02:41] iheartubuntu, emails sent. ill tweet you if i get anything probably [02:41] ok awesome thanks === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-ca to: Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, August 14th, 7:00pm PDT | This channel is publicly logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic [02:42] g 102 [02:42] oops [02:46] like a g102 [02:46] its better than a g6 [02:46] fly like that <<<< yep [02:46] feelin so fly! [02:47] True. [02:48] pleia2: Nay. [02:49] wait til its friday [02:50] gotta have my cereal [02:50] that represents american consumerism [02:51] and the back seat is a metaphor for American forgen policy [02:51] cruisin so fast, i want time to fly (in my g6) [02:52] maybe the ubuntu ca group needs to go see them in concert [02:52] ...not Rebekkah black [02:52] haha [02:53] iheartubuntu, did you ever think about the game night thing? [02:54] i have a list of a bunch of games some place, but the overall feel of my list is pointing to first person shooter multiplayer [02:55] urben terror is nice [02:55] would somebody be running a server of the game someone picks? [02:55] i think an MMORPG or whatever its called like Regnum Online would be a lot of fun since we can all see each other and we can all be on the same team. there are no limits to amount of players, etc [02:57] seemes like a good idea [02:57] how often should we do it? once a month? twice a month... for an hour or two after each meeting would be nice [02:58] we could go against other distros! haha [02:58] it could just always be on and whoever wants to play can play and we also have planned nights [02:59] ok, i'll clean up my list of games, and create a pro/con list for each game and have this ready for next team meeting here in two weeks [02:59] ill back you up on it [03:00] for anyone running an Ubuntu Hour, i recommend posting to forums, mailing list, etc 3 or 4 days before. I notice more people when i do this [03:01] last pasadena UH was 8 people because of this. when i sent these notes out the day of the UH it was just 4 people [03:01] Yeah, it's always kind of jarring to hear about an ubuntu hour happening in 3 hours that you never knew about before ... [03:01] ok PB [03:02] akk - yah this way people can plan for it better [03:02] i think the mailing list can be limiting somewhat due to not many people being on it iheartubuntu [03:02] The mailing list is the best way, for me -- if it's on twitter or facebook or something, I'll only see it if I happen to check in at the right time. [03:02] twitter has over 1000 followers, far more than any of our other resources [03:02] its just one method. scribble out 10-15 ideas how to promote a UH and implement 3-5 of them. [03:03] but anything we put in the loco directory is posted on twitter the day of [03:04] except it's twitter, so 99% of them are spammers or people who don't actually check their account :P [03:04] maybe 10% [03:04] Happy reminder for MLs day- its starting now [03:04] lots of people are real :) [03:05] MarkDude: hah, yeah, I was like "it's august!?" [03:05] what about facebook? how often is that updated? [03:05] twitter user retention after a month is about 40% [03:06] rww: I was trying to balance your made up statistic with one of my own, in the other direction [03:06] Coreboot is in Denmark- so they are 1st for me [03:06] pleia2: hehe [03:06] :D [03:06] philipballew: aiui, the team Facebook, Twitter, and identi.ca are all updated identically often [03:06] yeah, it's automatically cross-posted [03:07] Just remember, 78.6% of all statistics are made up. [03:07] akk lol [03:07] twitter is the best social medium today imo [03:07] word of mouth is the best social medium :P [03:07] lol [03:07] I have no idea what % of twitter followers are bots/spammers; but even of the real people, not all of them will be monitoring at any given time. [03:07] IRC is the best social medium. :) [03:08] i get ubuntu ca tweets sent to my cell phone [03:08] philipballew: nerd! [03:08] heheh [03:08] * rww used to get IRC highlights sent to his cellphone >.> [03:08] I see tweets if 1. I'm at the computer 2. I'm not busy working on stuff and 3. xchat hasn't forgotten its marker line again, so I can see where the new tweets start [03:11] do we have a g+ account yet? [03:11] There's no org g+ accounts yet, right? [03:12] I think that's right. [03:12] right [03:15] Company g+ accounts are in closed don't-ask-us-we'll-ask-you trial. [03:15] e.g. https://plus.google.com/114277687548103339609 [03:15] ah :) [03:16] I think I'm going to organize my circles by affilation and geographical locations. [03:16] mine are all in following myself i think [03:31] does anyone know how I can tell what a program is written in so I can know how to complie the tarball? [03:33] try running strings on it [03:33] philipballew: so you have some source code files and want to know what language it is? 'file' command. [03:34] yeah. i downloaded the humblee inde bundle! and 2 of the games come in tar.bz [03:36] *tar.gz [03:40] so extract them and run the files inside? [03:41] usually inside is an installer file... like cogs.bin or whatever [03:42] there is just a launcher to run the program [03:42] Is there a compile-it-yourself discount version? :) [03:42] its really weird [03:42] i ususlly only pay a penny to download them and pay more when i get them running. [03:42] im thinking 10 dollars [03:48] i paid $15 for bundle #1, $15 for #2 and eeeeekkkk only $5 for #3. im trying to budget my mulah these days [03:48] i didnt have any money for 1 therefor didnt get it and never found a url for it [03:49] iheartubuntu, how did you install the tarballs for 3? [03:49] i have only had time for Cogs so far.. and it had an installer [03:50] these tar games though i have never figured out how to install... just run the game. [03:50] you could put the extracted tar in a games directory and then create a desktop or menu link [03:50] thats my lazy way :) [03:51] the thing i dont understand is the tarballs dont have a way to make. check install like most tarballs [18:24] The Ubuntu Font Family now has a compressed font available. (for a certain value of available.) [18:25] nice [18:25] I'm not really sure what I'd use it for. :) But it's not bad. [18:28] * MarkDude plans to use it on a few Fedora items, want to see if anyone notices ;D [18:33] lol [18:33] * negronjl is away: out to lunch [18:33] negronjl: please don't use public away messages here [18:33] pleia2: sorry...didn't know they'll get posted on _every_ channel. [18:34] * MarkDude is watering garden, but is monitoring :) [18:34] it'll get you kicked from -meeting [18:34] and -classroom [18:34] so you should probably turn it off :) [18:34] pleia2: will do [18:34] * MarkDude got heads up a while ago on changing nicks [18:34] :) [18:35] Hmmm, every channel. [18:35] I was hoping for hinted Ubuntu Monospace. :( Unhinted is beautiful in Ubuntu and in PuTTY on Windows it *almost* makes that a pleasant experience except Windows XP apparently uses the Windows 3.0 font renderer or something because it is *ugly*. :) [18:35] pleia2, is awesome. She is very helpful on cluing folks in [18:35] * MarkDude included ;) [18:36] There's always a need for better monospace fonts. Especially sans-serif ones. [18:36] * pleia2 nods [18:37] Especially if they have a wide selection of characters (accented, emdashes etc.) [18:37] That's still a problem with a lot of the monospace fonts. [18:40] Ubuntu Monospace is beautiful. The difference in Evolution was instant. [18:40] Unfortunately, the font size is annoying. :) [18:42] Fonts are so frustrating -- they render so differently on every screen and distro, so I have to go through a long selection process with every machine+distro. [18:42] I wish I could just pick a font that looks nice and has an aspect ratio I like, and use that everywhere, maybe just changing the size slightly [18:43] but with most fonts, changing the size drastically changes how it renders and what its aspect ratio is. [18:50] Hi All [18:50] :) [18:50] g'day bkerensa [18:50] * bkerensa used to be a Californian [18:50] * bkerensa is now a Califoregonian [18:52] Close enough. :) [18:59] * bkerensa was born in the Sac [18:59] :P [18:59] bkerensa, is now lead for Oregon [18:59] And also a badass [18:59] :) [19:00] oh good, I'm glad that got sorted :) [19:01] Yes, remote management is less than ideal at times [19:05] lol [19:06] Spotufy needs to fix their repo [19:06] =/ [19:06] Spotify even [19:13] pleia2: Your council? If so I wanna pick your brain sometime :) [20:18] :) [21:33] hey all [21:33] I dont know if im in the right place but I need some help with a shell script [21:34] any volunteers [23:16] has anyone here ever installed ubuntu to a mac ever? [23:17] I've seen the husband do it. Don't own a mac myself. [23:19] friend gave me a mac to install it on akk it doesnt install the typical way as i keep getting an error when i boot from the cd saying unable to find a medium containing a live file system” error when installing [23:20] which seemes odd myself [23:21] ubuntu mac needs an irc haha [23:22] It depends on exact arch with it philipballew [23:22] * MarkDude has seen it done [23:23] in a few ways- and am not talking about old PPC arch either [23:23] MarkDude, well the laptop has 4 gigs ram so 64 bit seems the best way [23:23] * MarkDude does not know how to do it however [23:23] theres a mac wiki on ubuntu.com i looked at for a few minutes [23:24] I suspect MarkDude meant ppc vs x86 macs [23:24] but if it has 4G of ram it's not ppc [23:25] Well even with *86 - I have seen the tools vary [23:25] sexycatsin hats is expert on this [23:25] we installed ubuntu on a macbook at an ubuntu hour once, it wasn't a problem [23:25] but yeah, it uses that boot thing in the beginning which can be weird [23:26] effi or something i think it said pleia2 . i guess i have to boot into osx and install that probably [23:27] I've only ever installed linux on old ppc macs [23:28] Is there some EFI funkiness with the install? [23:28] me as well, done it 3 times this month. osx is way to locked down [23:28] jyo, not sure. its different then pc instals haha [23:29] philipballew: i dunno if i can do a full day bug jam [23:30] maybe for a bit in the morning or something [23:30] that, and i need to coordinate schedules, see if i can even do that :P [23:30] I would assume morning is best time for anything haha [23:32] darkwing said he wants to do alot of that planning for it and get some people to come [23:33] yeah, life's been hectic over here the last few months [23:34] I think on macs you have to press a key (c?) to boot from a live cd. [23:34] sorry bout that kdub_ work stressful? [23:34] There used to be severe EFI problems but supposedly those have been fixed with grub2. [23:34] akk yeah, thats when i get the funky error. i might just try a different cd and see what i get with that [23:34] (the one thing grub2 is better at than grub1 ...) [23:35] philipballew: nah, lots of other things though. plus its summer in SD, outside calls [23:36] i hear this summer is nice weather [23:36] akk is it always gonna be the slowest speed is best on burning? [23:36] i always do 10x [23:42] I always try to use the slowest speed -- I have really bad luck with burning. [23:42] But mostly linux cd burning apps ignore anything you tell them about speed anyway, and do whatever they feel like doing. [23:44] haha, k3b is what i use. its good for most things i need [23:47] k3b definitely did that, ignored what I told it about speed [23:47] back when I could use it -- now it has a hundred requirements I don't want to install, so I quit using it [23:52] what do you use? akk [23:53] honestly, I can't remember -- the last few times I burned CDs I used cdrecord, and before that, I think maybe I used the xfce one (xfburn?) [23:53] but I have such terrible luck with CDs, I've pretty much stopped even trying to burn them. [23:53] I used to do it maybe once a year, and I would discover that my CD drive had stopped working since the last time [23:54] and I'd either buy a new cable or a new cd drive, and it would work, and I'd be good for another 6-12 months 'til the next time. [23:54] And they don't last long anyway, and USB sticks are so much smaller to carry around. [23:55] cd's are becoming out of date in some regard [23:57] cds are way out of date