[01:07] <snap-l> jrwren: Coolness.
[01:07] <snap-l> jrwren: Coming to CHC on Wednesday?
[02:09] <jrwren> probably not, but maybe i'll get away
[02:10] <jrwren> when is mug? this week or next?
[02:10] <rick_h_> 2nd tues
[02:10] <jrwren> so next week. cool.
[02:19] <rick_h_> hmm, what was that speaker rating site that was going around for a while?
[02:23] <snap-l> Not sure.
[11:43] <brousch> i'm frickin tired. who has coffee for me?
[11:53] <rick_h_> no kidding....dragggggggging
[11:58] <snap-l> I have coffee, but it'll be a bitch to ship
[11:58] <brousch> rick_h_ and snap-l: you both missed out on winning a book at lightning talks
[11:58] <snap-l> Bah
[11:58] <snap-l> Which books?
[11:58] <brousch> there was a tab;e full of them
[11:58] <snap-l> Ah, so winner's choice?
[11:58] <brousch> righ
[11:59] <brousch> wow, my typing is not good today
[11:59] <brousch> seemed like everything from apress and no starch
[12:00] <snap-l> Yeah, they seemed pretty well represented.
[12:00] <brousch> i picked PYthon for android using sl4a
[12:01] <brousch> http://www.apress.com/9781430235699
[12:01] <rick_h_> brousch: hah, oh well
[12:02] <rick_h_> nice
[12:02] <snap-l> brousch: Nice!
[12:02] <rick_h_> congrats
[12:02] <snap-l> DIdn't know that book existed.
[12:02] <snap-l> Will need a review. Expecially on Amazon, sice it isn't there. ;)
[12:03] <snap-l> (any reviews, that is)
[12:03] <brousch> wow, weird
[12:04] <brousch> been out almost a month according to the apress page
[12:04] <snap-l> Well, that too and I stopped getting their newsletter.
[12:05] <snap-l> for a while they didn't have much in the way of Python coming out
[12:05] <snap-l> and then they drop books like that, and the update to Foundations of Network Python Programming
[12:12] <brousch> i got home at midnight. i think the left side of my brain is still sleeping. that half of my head feels heavy
[12:13] <snap-l> heh
[12:20]  * greg-g waves at all the PyOhio folks
[12:21] <snap-l> Hey greg-g! Sorry we couldn't make your party last night
[12:21] <greg-g> no worries, bad timing/weekend for you pythonistas
[12:29] <rick_h_> greg-g: you're up early post-party
[12:41] <greg-g> rick_h_: you're telling me
[12:41] <greg-g> I about over slept. Was so tired that I set my alarm for 6:30pm. Woke up at 7:20 and rushed to go pay rent and get to the office by 8am
[12:44] <ptenhoopen> rick_h_:  I liked your SQLAlchemy presentation.  It was also fun trying to help out on the Bookie sprint even though we spent most of our time setting up!
[12:44] <rick_h_> ptenhoopen: awesome! Glad you liked the talk.
[12:45] <rick_h_> ptenhoopen: yea, but it was good. Even those that just set it up I think learned a little bit on some new things
[12:45] <rick_h_> not many people had done the virtualenv/bootstrap things and the fabric commands for helping to get things running
[12:45] <ptenhoopen> Exactly!
[12:45] <rick_h_> so hopefully it was useful for both me/them
[12:45] <ptenhoopen> It was.
[12:45] <rick_h_> as I learned I have some very weak points in my setup
[12:45] <rick_h_> and I've already started to redo some docs and update some of the scripts
[12:46] <ptenhoopen> I'll be happy to test them.
[12:46] <rick_h_> really appreciate everyone that helped with it. I still had fun :)
[12:46] <rick_h_> awesome, thanks
[12:47] <ptenhoopen> I need to finish the SQLAlchemy homework you gave us.  It was too dang hot in that classroom for me to think!
[12:47] <rick_h_> ptenhoopen: yea no kidding
[12:47] <rick_h_> while it sucked to watch everyone leave, I couldn't blame anyone.
[12:47] <rick_h_> I didn't want to stay in there lol
[12:48] <ptenhoopen> 85 degrees and climbing
[12:48] <rick_h_> feel free to ping me on any of that. I still hope some people try it and help with some of the poor reputation points
[12:48] <ptenhoopen> Cool
[13:26] <brousch> reputation points?
[13:26] <jrwren> rick_h_: speakerrate
[13:26] <jrwren> http://speakerrate.com/
[13:29] <ptenhoopen> rick_h_:  Are you saying that some people didn't like that SQLAlchemy talk?
[13:30] <ptenhoopen> Or the reputation of SQLAlchemy?
[13:31] <rick_h_> the rep of sqlalchemy as a tool
[13:31] <rick_h_> because of all it can do, and the completeness, it's got a reputation as hard to get into, bloated, more than you need, etc
[13:32] <rick_h_> my goal was more to fight those initial pain points
[13:32] <rick_h_> jrwren: that's it
[13:32] <rick_h_> thanks
[13:32] <brousch> it is more than you need. every tool is. however the good tools don't let all the power get in the way of what you need it for
[13:33] <rick_h_> http://blog.mitechie.com/2011/08/01/pyohio-2011-another-year-another-great-time/
[13:33] <rick_h_> my sumnmary
[13:34] <brousch> how the hell did you write a blog post already?
[13:34] <rick_h_> I got up, and started writing a post :)
[13:34] <jrwren> he is rick_h_
[13:34] <brousch> i'm still combing through my feeds/email
[13:34] <rick_h_> work will want a summary, so I'm doing it on day job time
[13:34] <rick_h_> ah, well I have a boy that gets up at 6:30
[13:34] <jrwren> prune your feeds/email.
[13:34] <rick_h_> and I did most of that catch up when I got home last night
[13:50] <snap-l> Heh, I'm so far behind on feeds it's not even funny.
[13:50] <snap-l> But I'll get back up to date ar some point. ;)
[13:50] <snap-l> rick_h_: Awesome summary.
[13:50] <rick_h_> ty
[13:51] <snap-l> I'll be blogging mine sometime this weekn
[13:52] <snap-l> Right now, though, it is time to make a presentation for work.
[13:52] <snap-l> Which is why I'm chatting on IRC. ;)
[13:53] <rick_h_> lol
[13:59] <jrwren> declare feed bankruptcy. its easy.
[14:03] <snap-l> Yeah, I will
[14:10] <snap-l> Wow, the filenames generated by Ubuntu / GNOME's screenshot utility are actively Windows Hostile. ;)
[14:12] <brousch> aren't they just Screenshot1.png etc?
[14:12] <snap-l> Not with Chrome handling the titme.
[14:12] <snap-l> title, even
[14:14] <brousch> talk to your wife. i will not tityou
[14:14] <snap-l> Not even a little twist?
[14:15] <brousch> nyet
[14:18] <snap-l> *whimper*
[14:19]  * greg-g walks away slowly
[14:22] <brousch> greg-g: imagine what will happen here when you're no longer around to enforce manners ;)
[14:23]  * greg-g shudders
[14:27] <snap-l> heh
[14:35] <snap-l> Apparently I had a little glitch
[14:39] <snap-l> Neato, I think I blew up my fonts.
[14:39] <snap-l> Added Tahoma via the easy to use font installer, and now Impress / Writer won't start.
[14:53] <greg-g> no one here happens to have a photo of me presenting anything, do they?
[14:55] <locodir-user_> hey whats up
[14:55] <locodir-user_> I need some help
[14:55] <locodir-user_> plzz
[14:55] <greg-g> hello there
[14:55] <greg-g> please ask your question
[14:56] <snap-l> greg-g: I thought I had a picture of you presenting at MUG, but I'm not finding it at the moment
[14:56] <greg-g> yeah, weird
[14:56] <greg-g> I can't find any either
[14:57] <snap-l> I love when social sites (like the work social site) ask you to complete your user profile
[14:57] <snap-l> as if the little bit that made me uncomfortable to enter in the first place wasn't enough
[14:58] <snap-l> "sure, here's my twitter, where I use naughty words, and have strong opinions"
[14:58] <snap-l> "And my blog, where I do more of the same in more than 140 characters"
[14:58] <greg-g> :)
[14:59] <snap-l> greg-g: Uploading the one photo I took from that meeting.
[15:00] <greg-g> sweet!
[15:00] <greg-g> also, that IRC webchat thing on the LoCoDir might get annoying, though that was the first one I saw
[15:01] <locodir-user_> hey thats me again
[15:01] <snap-l> noted.
[15:02] <rick_h_> snap-l: ooh, good find
[15:02] <brousch> greg-g: if you have video, you can cut out a single frame of you presenting
[15:02] <snap-l> https://picasaweb.google.com/craigmaloney/UbuntuMUG
[15:02] <locodir-user_> ok Im stucking in this 2 questions and I hope you guys help me
[15:02] <locodir-user_> 1. Write a shell script that will give the user 5 chances to pick your favorite color.  2. Write a shell script that will continue to ask for words until the user types in quit. All of the words typed in should be stored in a file called words in the current directory.
[15:03] <_stink_> is this for a class assignment?
[15:03] <brousch> locodir-user_: is this homework?
[15:03] <rick_h_> lol
[15:03] <locodir-user_> yess
[15:03] <locodir-user_> the instructor is beyond good so thats why im here !!
[15:03] <locodir-user_> lol
[15:04] <snap-l> greg-g: Got what you need?
[15:04] <locodir-user_> the script
[15:04] <locodir-user_> if you could
[15:04] <brousch> locodir-user_: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[15:04] <snap-l> locodir-user_: That was directed at another user.
[15:05] <snap-l> locodir-user_: In IRC, if you're directing conversation at a user, it's polite to use their name when doing so. :)
[15:05] <rick_h_> locodir-user_: so, going to say this as nicely as possible. The guys/gals here are great and helpful. But no one is going to write your script for you
[15:05] <greg-g> snap-l: hah, I look funny, thanks :)
[15:05] <greg-g> brousch: good point, lemme see if I have anything good.
[15:05] <rick_h_> if you have a specific question about some aspect, or want help with a script you're writing, you can paste what you have so far in http://paste.mitechie.com
[15:06] <rick_h_> and people are very helpful
[15:06] <snap-l> greg-g: I don't think I look anything like my pictures. ;)
[15:07] <jrwren> the ##csharp channel actually says NO HOMEWORK in the topic. we've never really need to spell it out here :)
[15:07] <locodir-user_> well the problem is I havent done nothing yet because idk where to start , like i know I gotta use the  if statment
[15:08] <jrwren> wow, never programmed before eh?
[15:08] <greg-g> locodir-user_: does your teacher have a time you can meet with them to get help?
[15:08] <rick_h_> locodir-user_: what class/school is this?
[15:08] <jrwren> and shell is your first language? sounds fun.
[15:08] <_stink_> yeah, gawd, shell as first language.
[15:08] <locodir-user_> the instructor never done a hands on
[15:08] <locodir-user_> in the class
[15:08] <rick_h_> right, but I'm going to guess that you've got a book, some lecture notes, "idk where to start" seems a bit of a stretch
[15:09] <jrwren> I love shell. if you are a cmd person, its a great first lang
[15:09] <_stink_> locodir-user_: i'd suggest looking for a bash scripting tutorial, and combine that with the link brousch gave above: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[15:09] <jrwren> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bash+tutorial
[15:09] <jrwren> locodir-user_: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bash+tutorial   :)
[15:09] <locodir-user_> I dont have notes because all what he do just open the book and go through the chapters like its a history class
[15:10] <greg-g> brousch: what would you use to cut the single frame?
[15:11] <brousch> greg-g: ffmpeg split to jpeg, lemme see if i can find it
[15:11] <locodir-user_> anyways thank you guys for your time and I dont blame ya
[15:12] <greg-g> be sure to check out those links, locodir-user_ :)
[15:12] <_stink_> locodir-user_: learn about how to get user input; how to show the user output; how to use if statements, and how to use a for loop.
[15:12] <_stink_> with that, you should be able to get something started
[15:13] <locodir-user_> I'll try although my test is n 2 hrs
[15:15] <brousch> greg-g: actually it looks pretty easy in openshot
[15:15] <brousch> trim down the video to a few seconds, export video as image sequence
[15:16]  * greg-g nods
[15:16] <brousch> it's in Export video, Advanced tab, Advanced options
[15:16] <jrwren> poor kid.
[15:17] <snap-l> Yeah
[15:32] <snap-l> And here's where I say "fuck presentations, it's a live demo"
[15:37] <brousch> snap-l: eh?
[15:38] <snap-l> Fighting with powerpoint is not something I particularly care to do. ;)
[15:39] <snap-l> So I am better using the time to figure out LiveMeeting instead.
[15:39] <snap-l> Which, of course, is proving to be the proverbial needle in haystack
[15:40] <snap-l> I swear, corporate web portals need to be abolished.
[15:41] <brousch> ug, impress gave me fits so i used S5
[15:41] <brousch> pdfs for presentations are good if they support the media you need
[15:42] <snap-l> Yes, but our lovely company has a standard template for how PowerPoint should be used.
[15:42] <Blazeix> PDFs + Impressive are the way to go
[15:42] <snap-l> And sending out anything that looks like a collection of pages in a presentation format is likely to fall under the "PowerPoint" moniker.
[15:43] <Blazeix> though S5 looks cool
[15:43] <Blazeix> it should add CSS3 transitions :)
[15:44] <brousch> Blazeix: i came up with a couple of ideas for s5 improvements due to my presentation saturday
[15:44] <Blazeix> there are a ton of web-based presentation apps out there, I haven't had time to really look at them all.
[15:49] <brousch> using notes was hard. i had to alt-tab back and forth to advance the slide, scroll my notes
[15:50] <brousch> i was thinking of making the browser stretch across both monitors, then have a vertical divider you can position where you want it. slides on the projector side, notes on the screen side. then they'd advance together
[15:51] <rick_h_> brousch: I think as you do more presentations
[15:51] <rick_h_> you tend to get more into a story a slide and can recall/do it on the fly vs notes like that
[15:51] <jrwren> the github founder wrote and s5 replacement/killer
[15:52] <brousch> rick_h_: i can't speak without a script. i am horrible
[15:52] <rick_h_> one of the pains of the html presentations are the ones that don't support working via the presentation remote
[15:52] <jrwren> brousch: just use 2 browser windows and script their sync
[15:52] <rick_h_> where you need to use arrows vs click/etc
[15:52] <Blazeix> jrwren++
[15:53] <Blazeix> jrwren: do you recall the name/link to that s5 competitor? My searches are coming up dry
[15:55] <jrwren> i'll look
[15:58] <jrwren> http://schacon.github.com/ wrote it
[15:58] <jrwren> showoff
[15:58] <jrwren> https://github.com/schacon/showoff
[15:59] <jrwren> not really s5 since i see its a sinatra app
[15:59] <brousch> a whowha?
[16:00] <Blazeix> thanks
[16:01] <jrwren> yw
[16:06] <brousch> there is some kind of weird disconnect between the title of this book and its description http://www.apress.com/9781430235699
[16:07] <jrwren> zomg https://code.google.com/p/ganeti/
[16:07] <brousch> the title is Pro Python for android, the description is Pro Scripting, and includes oither languages
[18:19] <snap-l> rick_h_: Did we need to come back from pyOhio?
[18:19] <snap-l> I'm starting to think that was a mistake. ;)
[18:24] <brousch> snap-l: my python/android book is on amazon http://www.amazon.com/Android-Python-SL4A-Paul-Ferrill/dp/1430235691
[18:24] <brousch> well, the book that i won, not my book
[18:26] <brousch> bah, but it has the wrong description, like the apress site
[18:26] <brousch> i submitted that bug to apress already
[18:30] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, I put it in my wishlist already.
[18:50] <brousch> rick_h_: I sense restraint in your description of my talk in your blog post. I'm sure I pushed at least 2 of your buttons
[19:03] <snap-l> wtf, wsgi lite?
[19:04] <brousch> snap-l: wft. are you viewing my screen?
[19:05] <brousch> i just hit that article 1 minute ago
[19:05] <snap-l> Get off of reddit. ;)
[19:06] <brousch> it was in my google reader feed, python planet i think
[19:27] <rick_h_> bah, wsgi lite was so last night
[19:27] <rick_h_> brousch: what buttons? Thought it was fine
[19:27] <brousch> :P
[19:28] <rick_h_> I think I'm mellowing in my old age
[19:49] <jrwren> wsgi is already pretty lite isn't it?
[20:02] <rick_h_> jrwren: heh, you don't want to know
[20:12] <jrwren> noted
[20:13] <brousch> what we missed because we went to pyohio: https://plus.google.com/photos/105030465637303791249/albums/5635519623583589521
[20:14] <jrwren> nah, that is just what rob saw. there was way cooler stuff than that at maker fair
[20:15] <jrwren> although the bikes and the dragon were damned sweet.
[20:15] <brousch> you went?
[20:15] <jrwren> yes
[20:15] <brousch> where's your giant photo gallery?
[20:15] <jrwren> i didn't take any pics.
[20:15] <brousch> boo
[20:15] <jrwren> well, I took one.
[20:15] <jrwren> i was too busy seeing and doing than shooting photo
[20:16] <brousch> yeah, that happens at the best events
[20:17] <brousch> i took 1 photo at pyohio
[20:17] <brousch> automated head-mounted cameras should help with that issue
[20:17] <brousch> see any of those at makerfaire?
[20:18] <jrwren> nope
[20:19] <brousch> hm
[20:19] <brousch> should be able to embed it in a hat
[20:21] <brousch> could just write an app and tape duct-tape an android phone to my head. snap pic, autoupload
[20:22] <brousch> heck, i have most of that code already written
[20:49] <ptenhoopen> brousch:  It'd be handy to have a remote shutter switch.
[20:50] <brousch> hm
[20:50] <brousch> some sort of bluetooth thing
[20:50] <ptenhoopen> Yea, sure
[20:50] <ptenhoopen> That'd work
[20:51] <brousch> or you could get fancy and do some image recognition. when you hold up your middle finger where the cam can se it, it snaps a pic a second later
[20:52] <ptenhoopen> That'd generate some interesting photos I suspect.
[22:46] <locodir-user> any cool ppl n here would help me in my test
[22:46] <locodir-user> come on michiganders
[22:48] <brousch> i hate bash
[22:48] <brousch> can you write it in python?
[22:53] <Blazeix> too much for him to handle, brousch :)
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