[03:45] <ChinnoDog>  
[04:29] <andrew>  
[09:21] <InHisName> G'mawnin'
[09:49] <rmg51> morning
[10:35] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:35] <JonathanD> eek, I'm late :P
[10:36] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[10:36] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog, InHisName, andrew
[10:37] <rmg51> 0/ sleepyhead
[10:38] <JonathanD> indeed.
[10:38] <JonathanD> I blame the swimming.
[10:39] <rmg51> just try not to fall asleep in the pool 8-)
[10:39] <JonathanD> heh :)
[10:39] <rmg51> breakfast time
[10:39] <JonathanD> I didn't
[10:39] <JonathanD> But the pool makes the eyes tired :)
[10:39] <rmg51> and red
[10:40] <JonathanD> yes.
[10:40] <JonathanD> I don't have time for a full run but I'd like to get at least half a mile in... so I'll be back.
[12:54]  * ChinnoDog yawns loudly
[13:00] <teddy-dbear> me hugs ChinnoDog :-[
[13:01] <teddy-dbear> opps
[13:01]  * teddy-dbear hugs ChinnoDog
[13:01] <teddy-dbear> better
[13:07] <ChinnoDog> thanks?
[13:08] <ChinnoDog> I need some eggs.
[13:15] <teddy-dbear> I always needs some cookies :-D
[13:24] <ChinnoDog> for breakfast?
[13:37] <teddy-dbear> for anytime
[13:38] <rhpot1991> I need some tea
[13:38] <teddy-dbear> and what's wrong with cookies for breakfast?
[13:39]  * rhpot1991 waits for ChinnoDog to be upset that rhpot1991 likes tea better than cookies
[13:39] <teddy-dbear> tea and cookies :-D
[13:40] <rhpot1991> teddy-dbear: as long as you don't dip sure
[13:41] <rhpot1991> I have cookies in my desk, but would rather not eat them for breakfast
[13:41] <teddy-dbear> I don't dip :P
[13:41] <teddy-dbear> I prefer them in my tummy 8-)
[13:41] <ChinnoDog> I like tea
[13:42] <ChinnoDog> I like cookies too but I'd rather not eat them for breakfast.
[13:42] <teddy-dbear> chocolate then :-[
[13:43] <teddy-dbear> maybe cake
[13:43] <teddy-dbear> even pie
[14:52] <InHisName> I had a BIG bowl of slice fresh peaches and milk (with a dab of cereal) for breakfast.  YUM
[14:53] <ChinnoDog> mm, peaches
[14:53] <ChinnoDog> I want peaches
[14:55] <waltman> no bacon?
[14:55] <ChinnoDog> I haz no bacon. I didn't go to the store this weekend. I need black pepper too. Eggs are better with pepper.
[14:56] <waltman> and hot sauce
[14:57] <ChinnoDog> I did use my tabasco sauce
[14:57] <ChinnoDog> eggs, water, pepper, cheese, vegetables, tabasco sauce, done.
[14:58] <ChinnoDog> Oh, and a source of fat if the cheese doesn't have any/enough
[14:58] <ChinnoDog> I used high fat cottage cheese though
[14:58] <waltman> I picked up a jar of some french spices at Penzey's that are really good with eggs. It's mostly tarragon with some other stuff.
[14:59] <waltman> I think it's this one -- http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penzeys/p-penzeysparisienherb.html
[15:09] <ChinnoDog> I need a smaller keyboard
[15:15] <ChinnoDog> something that will minimize hand strain and either come with a mouse or built in pointer that fits on my keyboard tray
[15:19] <ChinnoDog> I have 24.5" of usable space. Any suggestions?
[15:23] <ChinnoDog> Putting the number pad on the left side would save a lot of space. hrm
[15:24] <ChinnoDog> But then I wouldn't know how to type anymore
[15:24] <ChinnoDog> I could become a left handed mouser
[15:25] <rmg51> ChinnoCat?
[15:25] <ChinnoDog> maybe
[15:27] <ChinnoDog> I could become a trackball guy
[15:28] <ChinnoDog> Seems like after being annoyed by trackballs my entire life that it would be some kind of crime to start using one now.
[15:28] <JonathanD> trackpoint++
[15:28] <JonathanD> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=IBM+trackpoint+keyboard&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=ANv&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1680&bih=863&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=12957121682293152801&sa=X&ei=I8Y2TuaoM5Cltwfi1on2DA&ved=0CGMQ8wIwAA
[15:29] <ChinnoDog> No, I hate the nubs
[15:29] <ChinnoDog> I have a Thinkpad and I don't use the nub on it
[15:29] <JonathanD> :(
[15:29] <JonathanD> how can you not use the nub?
[15:30] <JonathanD> It's the only thing that works!
[15:30] <ChinnoDog> death to nubs
[15:30] <JonathanD> fingers stay on home row while you mouse.
[15:30] <jedijf> eraserhead++
[15:30] <ChinnoDog> I put a smaller tip on it so I don't accidentally touch it too
[15:30] <ChinnoDog> That is true
[15:30] <ChinnoDog> But, it is so imprecise
[15:31] <JonathanD> it's very precise.
[15:31] <JonathanD> I can close a window without even thinking about it now :P
[15:31] <JonathanD> or select a window
[15:31] <ChinnoDog> So once you developed the motor control skills for it then it is as easy as a mouse?
[15:32] <JonathanD> I believe the muscle memory for them is much better than a normal mouse.
[15:32] <JonathanD> it becomes a sort of gesture instead of a thought-requiring motion.
[15:32] <JonathanD> flick top-right, then over to minimize
[15:32] <JonathanD> (I STILL move my window control buttons to the right. Every release moves them back to the left. Please stop :( )
[15:33] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: try it for a week or two on your thinkpad.
[15:33] <ChinnoDog> Does clicking become a double thumb operation then?
[15:33] <JonathanD> I only use my left thumb
[15:33] <ChinnoDog> I think this will cause my thumb to develop a callus
[15:34] <JonathanD> Hasn't for me, anyway :p
[15:34] <JonathanD> The only issue I have is gaming that wants to use WASD
[15:34] <JonathanD> I remap to the arrows
[15:34] <JonathanD> and if it uses q,e I remap them to the back and forward keys.
[15:34] <ChinnoDog> Because you use your left thumb. ic
[15:35] <JonathanD> I just realized I mouse left handed.
[15:35] <JonathanD> on my thinkpad.
[15:35] <ChinnoDog> Wouldn't this be easier if I just learn to use the nub with my right thumb and space with my left?
[15:35] <ChinnoDog> yea
[15:35] <JonathanD> I use the same thumb for both, I guess.
[15:35] <ChinnoDog> I space with my right thumb, but that is from habit. My left thumb is useless
[15:35] <JonathanD> but yeah, you could mouse click with your right I suppose.
[15:36] <ChinnoDog> When I put my hands on my thinkpad my thumb doesn't reach far enough
[15:36] <JonathanD> Which model do you have?
[15:36] <ChinnoDog> I think this is going to be a skill to teach my pointer
[15:36] <ChinnoDog> T400
[15:36] <ChinnoDog> But my hands are hand-made. :-)
[15:36] <JonathanD> thats basically the same layout as my T61, I think.
[15:36] <JonathanD> It hasn't changed much.
[15:37] <ChinnoDog> Its too far away from my thumb when my fingers are on home row
[15:37] <JonathanD> I have a 41, 60, and 61, they're all basically the same layout. The 41 lacks the touchpad.
[15:37] <JonathanD> I have my touchpad disabled.
[15:37] <ChinnoDog> My right pointer just got nominated. I use left handed passwords so I should use right pointer for mousing
[15:37] <JonathanD> the other benefit is people try to use my laptop and I laugh at them.
[15:38] <JonathanD> First they try to use the touchpad, whcih doesn't do anything.
[15:38] <ChinnoDog> I should make changes all at once. Pointer use and dvorak.
[15:38] <JonathanD> Then they try to use the trackpoint, which yes, if you've not used it before, is imprecise as heck. The mouse goes flying around the screen.
[15:39] <ChinnoDog> Actually, I just came up with a new awkward arrangmeent that will let me start practicing now by using my laptop to type. k, gotta reverse my Synergy roles.
[15:40] <JonathanD> I stopped using synergy at work.
[15:40] <JonathanD> I love it, but my laptop and desktop aren't on the same network now.
[15:46] <ChinnoDog> AWKWARD. This is going to be difficult
[15:46] <ChinnoDog> Reaching for mouse buttons is difficult to do if I am only going to use one thumb to do it.
[15:47] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: I think I might use both, but I'm not 100% sure.
[15:47] <JonathanD> I'd have to watch myself clicking...
[15:48] <ChinnoDog> oh. "enable press to select". Does that work well?
[15:48] <JonathanD> I never really used it.
[15:48] <JonathanD> I don't know if it's different on the 400
[15:49] <JonathanD> But on mine "press" is a very light movement in any direction.
[15:49] <ChinnoDog> problem solved. Press to select emulates left click. I can reach the right mouse button with my right thumb.
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> It requires a reasonable amount of force on my touchpad.
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> Ok, maybe <3 Thinkpad.
[15:51] <ChinnoDog> double clicking might be a pita though
[15:54] <ChinnoDog> My finger is going to be sore
[15:54] <ChinnoDog> I can already tell. Its going to be worse than gamer's thumb.
[15:56] <ChinnoDog> This is an amazing setup. My laptop is on my keyboard tray and my large monitor is behind it. Both are in my field of vision but my higher density laptop monitor is closer so I can actually see it
[15:57] <ChinnoDog> The next difficulty will be when I teach myself Dvorak. I'm going to come up with a whole new list of left handed passwords.
[16:07] <jthan> Why are you going to learn Dvorak?
[16:07] <ChinnoDog> So I can type faster with less strain.
[16:07] <waltman> He wants to level up :)
[16:07] <jthan> Do you know anyone who uses dvorak?
[16:08] <ChinnoDog> Yes. No one else can use his computer because they can't type on it.
[16:08] <jthan> What's your plan to learn?
[16:08] <jthan> If you have a solid one I'll try it with you
[16:11] <ChinnoDog> idk yet. Probably need a typing tutor.
[16:11] <ChinnoDog> I'll probably learn the same way I learned querty, it will jut be a lot faster because I already have the motor control.
[17:17] <JonathanD> Hmmm
[17:18] <JonathanD> The boot order editor thing for 11.04 doesn't seem to work.
[17:22] <jedijf> grub2?
[17:23] <JonathanD> Yup
[17:23] <JonathanD> Somehow it's stuck on memtest
[17:23] <JonathanD> and changing it doesn't seem to actually do anything.
[17:25] <JonathanD> I tried editing the file by hand too (/etc/default/grub)
[17:35] <jedijf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[17:37] <JonathanD> Yeah, I'm reading that.
[17:37] <JonathanD> Is this supposed to be better than old grub? :)
[17:38] <JonathanD> I'm going to try quoting what I want instead of numbering
[17:38] <JonathanD> I think maybe my ordering is messing it up
[17:39] <JonathanD> it's putting a number in, and I don't think that number remains accurate if it's after the autoprobe stuff.
[17:40] <JonathanD> that seems to work.
[17:50] <JonathanD> jedijf: ended up changing my ordering mostly back.
[17:51] <JonathanD> I had moved memtest and such up, but either the default option doesn't do what it should or... something. So I re-ordered /etc/grub.d to 10_linux, 20_os_prober, 30_memtest (not exact names) and that worked.
[17:51] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: I have to admit that it is pretty handy being able to use the nub to move the pointer between screens faster than I could have with the mouse.
[17:52] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: yes, no mouse-relocating is a nice feature.
[17:52] <JonathanD> Do you have the scrollbar working in 11.04?
[17:52] <JonathanD> I've not bothered to fix that yet, but I need to.
[17:53] <ChinnoDog> I have not mastered the press-to-click yet. It is hard to keep the pointer steady while pressing.
[17:53] <JonathanD> press-to-click is on the touchpad?
[17:55] <ChinnoDog> On the nub
[17:55] <JonathanD> thought so
[17:55] <ChinnoDog> I enabled it in the touchpoint control panel applet
[17:56] <JonathanD> is this windows or buntu?
[17:56] <ChinnoDog> Windows. It is my work laptop.
[17:56] <JonathanD> gotcha.
[17:56] <JonathanD> I didn't think there was an applet for it for ubuntu
[17:56] <JonathanD> how nice that would be.
[17:56] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: my 61 is win/ubuntu, my 60 is just ubuntu
[17:57] <ChinnoDog> You could write an applet
[17:58] <JonathanD> I can't write a sandwich :/
[17:58] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: my leet hacking about ends at irssi scripts and very simple php.
[17:59] <JonathanD> I could probably make somethign that enables the scroll button :)
[17:59] <rmg51> look under mouse in Ubuntu
[17:59] <ChinnoDog> I haven't even used that. Is that the one in the middle?
[18:00] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: yah
[18:00] <rmg51> thereis a touchpad tab
[18:00] <JonathanD> you ususally have to hack it in after every update.
[18:00] <JonathanD> http://www.eastwoodzhao.com/thinkpad-middle-button-scroll-ubuntu-linux/
[18:00] <JonathanD> rmg51: doesn't do the thinkpady stuff, though.
[18:00] <rmg51> k
[18:01] <ChinnoDog> It doesn't work through synergy. :-( It only scrolls in Windows.
[18:18] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!
[18:18] <JonathanD> ChinnoDog: I never found a fix for that.
[18:18] <SamuraiAlba> Fix for bacons?
[18:18] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: I don't think there is a fix. Synergy is not that intelligent.
[18:18] <JonathanD> scrolling bacons.
[18:18] <ChinnoDog> mm, scrolling bacons
[18:19] <JonathanD> turn the bacon wheel.
[18:21] <SamuraiAlba> lol
[18:30] <ChinnoDog> round and round it goes, where it will land, no one knows
[18:46] <SamuraiAlba> sipgate+google voice FTW