| stephenmartyr | hi i dropped my computer/and then on the windows side of partition an error about cooling fan noy runni9g camne on,then on ubuntu studio studio side o partition under disk utility it said some bad sectors on disk,please help | 06:16 |
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| stephenmartyr | <holstein>you still at gig? | 06:17 |
| stephenmartyr | anyone disk bad sectors and error?please im blessed even to have this computer,please help | 06:20 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: Heheh. :) Sometimes it just happens that every bad thing that can occur, occur almost at the same time. :) Well, I don't know much about that. Some suggestions say that you should download a tool from the disc manufacturer. | 06:47 |
| orngjce223 | well, of course you have to first backup your data in case it's bad | 06:48 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: That will be able to do the needed diagnostics and whatnot, so that the bad sectors can be mapped, and that the data there are can be copied (if possible) to elsewhere on the disc. | 06:48 |
| stephenmartyr | is it somin called smart i downloaded in terminal | 06:49 |
| stephenmartyr | sorry my girlfriend actual booted this comp for me and im a newb so i need help | 06:50 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: Yes, as orngjce223 said, backup immediately! Then there are guides on the 'net, that will tell you all the different ways to get around that in linux, but make one mistake and you can easily wipe both OSs. :) | 06:50 |
| orngjce223 | hehe, yeah | 06:51 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: You're probably thinking of smartmontools. | 06:51 |
| stephenmartyr | yea but the "guides"are written to people who have LOTS more knopwlegde of computer functions then me | 06:51 |
| stephenmartyr | im really not even sure how to backup my data | 06:52 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: Copy your documents and other important bits and pieces to a USB flash stick, external USB hard disc, or burn on CDs/DVDs. | 06:53 |
| stephenmartyr | i have one cd | 06:53 |
| stephenmartyr | then i should still do a partition or one system? | 06:53 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: Here's a good guide, and not at all directed to experienced people. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem | 06:54 |
| stephenmartyr | ok thanks,sorry for the 100 questions | 06:55 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: Try the manufacturer diagnostic tool first, if that doesn't help, and you're ABSOLUTELY SURE you have ALL YOUR DATA BACKED-UP, then you could erase the whole disc, and install both operating systems again, BUT DON'T DO THIS unless you're sure you have a real INSTALLATION MEDIA of Windows with you in the first place. | 06:56 |
| stephenmartyr | i think i have 2 maybe 3 hard drives | 06:56 |
| stephenmartyr | where do i find the diagnostic tool? | 06:57 |
| astraljava | Sorry for the caps, but these are really important things to keep in mind for, and sometimes people tend to forget some of them. :) | 06:57 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: Is this a laptop or a desktop? | 06:57 |
| stephenmartyr | laptop | 06:58 |
| stephenmartyr | yea thats why i keep asking u questions,i know not much | 06:58 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: Usually there is only one hard disc, but we'll see about that. | 06:59 |
| stephenmartyr | ok maybe my gf meant partitions | 07:00 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: Can you run this command: `sudo lshw -c disk` then go to http://paste.ubuntu.com, copy the output of the command there, and post the link here, please? | 07:00 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: Pretty sure, yes. :) | 07:00 |
| astraljava | gonna get some coffee and water, brb | 07:00 |
| stephenmartyr | http://paste.ubuntu.com/656165/ | 07:04 |
| stephenmartyr | <astrajave>let me know when ur back | 07:13 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: Okay so that's a Hitachi disk. You should go their website, look for the diagnostics tools, search by that id (product field in that output), download it, and see what options it has. But please, please, backup first! | 07:24 |
| astraljava | stephenmartyr: There's a situation here at work, so I need to go. Good luck, and ask on #ubuntu when you get stuck on some part. | 07:24 |
| phaidros | hi | 13:35 |
| phaidros | by any chance, does ubuntustudio offer a live dvd image anywhere? | 13:35 |
| astraljava | phaidros: No, not yet. But it's being worked on, so stay tuned. It might be there for 11.10 | 13:58 |
| astraljava | Or might not, might take until the next release. | 13:58 |
| astraljava | I'm not 100% on the progress of it. | 13:58 |
| phaidros | oh pity, a friend of mine is looking for such a thing for a project with kids in maroc next week | 13:59 |
| phaidros | would it be easy to create a live dvd from a running/installed system? | 14:00 |
| phaidros | or just go for artistix for now? | 14:00 |
| astraljava | You could have a look at the KxStudio or something like that. It's my understanding that the author is actually the developer for Ubuntu Studio's live DVD creator script, he should have it implemented for his own version. | 14:03 |
| astraljava | Umm... at the moment, I'm not sure where you can actually get that, or how. But falkTX is online quite often, ask him when he gets here. Or try #opensourcemusicians, they should know more about it. | 14:06 |
| phaidros | astraljava: kthx ! | 14:13 |
| stephenthemartyr | does any one know about or have used disk utility? | 17:10 |
| stephenthemartyr | please i really need helps | 17:13 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: sure | 17:16 |
| holstein | whats up? | 17:16 |
| holstein | you dropped the machine? | 17:16 |
| stephenthemartyr | yes | 17:16 |
| holstein | i use a live CD http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ | 17:16 |
| stephenthemartyr | last night | 17:16 |
| holstein | there are really nice vendor tools and other tools to really test the hardware | 17:17 |
| stephenthemartyr | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1816105 | 17:17 |
| holstein | you can do it with the disk utility from the ubuntu LIVE CD too though | 17:17 |
| stephenthemartyr | this explains it pretty well if u wanna read it | 17:17 |
| holstein | OH | 17:17 |
| stephenthemartyr | the tools are in bootc? | 17:17 |
| stephenthemartyr | cd | 17:17 |
| holstein | ok, you need help excepting the fact you broke your hard drive then? | 17:18 |
| holstein | accepting* | 17:18 |
| holstein | ? | 17:18 |
| stephenthemartyr | no | 17:18 |
| stephenthemartyr | its not broken | 17:18 |
| holstein | right, but you have bad sectors | 17:18 |
| holstein | at some point, you get more bad sectors than the hard drive can deal with | 17:18 |
| holstein | its common on laptop hardware | 17:18 |
| stephenthemartyr | it has 239 bad sectors | 17:18 |
| holstein | right | 17:19 |
| holstein | usually, when i see a drive like that, i look for a vendor tool on that disc i linked | 17:19 |
| stephenthemartyr | at least disk utility thinks so,but iread on that and most people said that actuallu didnt mean anything | 17:19 |
| holstein | i format it, and run some tests | 17:19 |
| holstein | you can run some tests without formatting | 17:19 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: you can run fsck | 17:20 |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SystemAdministration/Fsck | 17:20 |
| holstein | you'll want to do that with a live CD too | 17:20 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok but the system is noty working that well,in jack and stuff,i have it set at the highest number and still have x-runs | 17:20 |
| holstein | let me rephrase... you'll *need* to do that from a live CD | 17:20 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: i would *still* choose these battles one at a time | 17:21 |
| holstein | if you want to talk xruns, we can | 17:21 |
| stephenthemartyr | i was putting that tango studio on a dvd should i stop it and do this first? | 17:21 |
| holstein | you *should* try several different kernels | 17:21 |
| holstein | the RT ones available | 17:21 |
| stephenthemartyr | i think weve tried everything i can | 17:21 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: yeah? | 17:21 |
| holstein | hows the AVlinux live CD run? | 17:21 |
| stephenthemartyr | i dont know | 17:21 |
| holstein | how is falktx's kernel responding for you? | 17:22 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: then you have *not* tried everything | 17:22 |
| stephenthemartyr | av linux didnt seem to have that many programs | 17:22 |
| stephenthemartyr | what about tango | 17:22 |
| holstein | sure.. try a lot of live CD's | 17:22 |
| stephenthemartyr | is this a normal amount of messing things up or am i way above average? | 17:22 |
| holstein | im asking you to basically kernel shop | 17:22 |
| holstein | and the live CD's are a way of testing that | 17:22 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: depends | 17:23 |
| holstein | you seem to jump around a lot | 17:23 |
| holstein | i say, fix the drive | 17:23 |
| holstein | then move on to trying different kernels with your hardware | 17:23 |
| holstein | be that by installing them, or trying them from live CD's | 17:23 |
| stephenthemartyr | i jump around cuz there are no definites | 17:24 |
| stephenthemartyr | and this dropping the cxomp completely hopfully not messed things upo | 17:24 |
| holstein | im not sure why you jump around | 17:24 |
| holstein | you damaged the hard drive to some degree | 17:24 |
| holstein | you need to accept that, and run some tests and fix it if possible, or replace | 17:24 |
| holstein | that will just degrade into a bad issue | 17:25 |
| holstein | doesnt really matter, hard drives are so cheap these days... | 17:25 |
| stephenthemartyr | no peiople either dont help or help a little then think i can do the rest on my own but i cant,some girl trtl or somin had me download some rt headers or somin and i changed the default number in a boot config file | 17:25 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: right... i say, and have said, dont do anything you dont feel comfortable doing, and dont understand | 17:26 |
| stephenthemartyr | then earlier the awesome dousdhes in ubuntu were getting mad and giving me complicated long links | 17:26 |
| stephenthemartyr | alright | 17:26 |
| holstein | there is always several ways to do what you need to do | 17:26 |
| holstein | if you want to try kernels without following complicated links, i suggest using live CD's | 17:27 |
| holstein | that way, you *dont* break any part of your install,but you get to see how the kernel works | 17:27 |
| holstein | and you get to see some other distros, which is educational | 17:27 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok,so tango,av kinux,any others known to be jackl-awesome | 17:27 |
| holstein | i suggest that because you download the iso, burn it, and boot | 17:27 |
| holstein | then you eject it, and you are done | 17:27 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea i got it | 17:28 |
| holstein | gnuguitarinux has a 3.0 verion | 17:28 |
| holstein | version* | 17:28 |
| stephenthemartyr | i just want to record and make my music,i wish i was rich(by rich i mean had any money and job)so i could buy nice computers | 17:28 |
| holstein | theres dream linux, but i think he's using falks kernel | 17:28 |
| stephenthemartyr | ha | 17:28 |
| stephenthemartyr | oph yea | 17:28 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: thats *not* a reason to use linux | 17:29 |
| stephenthemartyr | what? | 17:29 |
| holstein | these tools are professional grade | 17:29 |
| stephenthemartyr | huh | 17:29 |
| stephenthemartyr | i know | 17:29 |
| stephenthemartyr | im not dissing them | 17:29 |
| holstein | if you are just using linux to save some $$, i dont think you'll get the best experience | 17:29 |
| holstein | personally, i have issues on every OS with whatever software | 17:30 |
| holstein | and whatever machine | 17:30 |
| holstein | it doesnt matter really | 17:30 |
| holstein | its all about education, and doing the most with what you have | 17:30 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea well i havent gotten anything done much ata ll | 17:30 |
| stephenthemartyr | thats not the only reason,i like linux | 17:31 |
| holstein | right... but you havent tested any other kernels with your hardware | 17:31 |
| holstein | i think that will tell you something | 17:31 |
| stephenthemartyr | i dont like windows,and i am trying to learn harder than lots opf peoples i guarentee | 17:31 |
| stephenthemartyr | eh | 17:31 |
| stephenthemartyr | everytime i try something it seems to get worse | 17:31 |
| holstein | right, so try them live | 17:32 |
| stephenthemartyr | i am | 17:32 |
| holstein | you dont want to input a bunch of terminal commands you dont understand | 17:32 |
| stephenthemartyr | going to | 17:32 |
| holstein | you dont know how you broke whatever | 17:32 |
| holstein | and you cant tell me what you did | 17:32 |
| holstein | its challenging | 17:32 |
| holstein | im really not that much of an expert linux user | 17:32 |
| stephenthemartyr | if it got jack working id be cool; with the commands,i cant learn everything in a few months | 17:32 |
| holstein | but, i use those live CDs as a tool | 17:33 |
| holstein | and i use virtualbox installs when possible, to see what does what | 17:33 |
| stephenthemartyr | oh yea what is that thing? | 17:33 |
| holstein | virtualbox? | 17:33 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea | 17:34 |
| holstein | how about this.. google it, and let me know whats not clear | 17:34 |
| holstein | then, instead of me spoon feeding it to you, we can discuss it :) | 17:34 |
| stephenthemartyr | dude how long you been workin with computers and technologies? | 17:34 |
| holstein | i use it quite often, but its not cool for testing hardware for audio | 17:35 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: im a musician, and ive been a computer hobbyist for years | 17:35 |
| holstein | ive been running linux exclusively for only 4 years or so i think | 17:35 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea i have not,in fact 80%of my life was with very very little | 17:36 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: did you look up virtualbox? | 17:39 |
| holstein | the last thing i want to do is discourage you, or send you away from this channel, or this community | 17:39 |
| holstein | but, at the same time, you really do need a healthy level of self discovery with this stuff i find | 17:40 |
| holstein | the issue is, no one else has your specific hardware, and i, nor anyone else, can definitively say 'do this' | 17:40 |
| holstein | we can only offer troubleshooting steps to gain information, and i feel like sometimes you dont follow through | 17:41 |
| holstein | i know another thing that really helped me transition as well... | 17:42 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea i give up easy from years of failure and pain bnlah | 17:42 |
| holstein | i *didnt* transition my studio machine at the same time | 17:42 |
| stephenthemartyr | ill go check it out | 17:42 |
| holstein | i got a laptop and put linux on it | 17:42 |
| holstein | i made myself learn how to do daily tasks on it | 17:42 |
| holstein | i had a windows machine for doing whatever i *had* to do | 17:43 |
| holstein | when i had the time, or could make the time, i would look up how to do things in linux instead | 17:43 |
| holstein | when i was able to surf, email, install software, manage the system, and join wifi networks.. moving on to transitioning the studio was much easier | 17:44 |
| holstein | i would not have made it though without some key helpers | 17:44 |
| holstein | same issue though... no one had my hardware, and it was not easy | 17:44 |
| holstein | but, im glad i did it | 17:44 |
| holstein | i had XP+cubase, all nice and legit and legal, with plugins i liked and knew how to use | 17:45 |
| holstein | but i wanted to transition to linux and FOSS tools | 17:45 |
| stephenthemartyr | cool so all os work in virtual? | 17:47 |
| stephenthemartyr | coocl send me those | 17:47 |
| stephenthemartyr | ha | 17:47 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: most OS's work well virtualized | 17:48 |
| holstein | theres a hit in performance, and passing things through to the guest OS like firewire or USB, or running anything like JACK virtualized | 17:48 |
| stephenthemartyr | whoa when did this happen? | 17:48 |
| holstein | that would *not* work well | 17:48 |
| stephenthemartyr | buit are the programs free? | 17:48 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: what programs? | 17:48 |
| stephenthemartyr | i dont know | 17:49 |
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| holstein | stephenthemartyr: virtualbox has a free and non-free version | 17:53 |
| holstein | both of which dont cost anything for you to have | 17:53 |
| holstein | the non-free one includes some things they cannot include legally in the free version | 17:53 |
| stephenthemartyr | hows thsat? | 17:53 |
| stephenthemartyr | nice | 17:54 |
| holstein | USB support, and something else like remote desktop? RDP? something i dont use... i forget | 17:54 |
| stephenthemartyr | there is one in accesories | 17:54 |
| stephenthemartyr | i think | 17:54 |
| holstein | i mean, from a microsoft machine | 17:55 |
| stephenthemartyr | hmm i have to make virtual machines | 17:55 |
| holstein | if you want to connect using that proprietary protocol, they (virtualbox) cant provide that in the free version | 17:56 |
| stephenthemartyr | so there really isnt a reason to dual boot anymore | 17:56 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: thats what im getting at though | 17:56 |
| holstein | you cant do something things virtually | 17:56 |
| holstein | and there is a hit in performance | 17:56 |
| stephenthemartyr | what would i have to pay for? | 17:56 |
| stephenthemartyr | like how? | 17:56 |
| holstein | you wouldnt want to have XP in virtualbox for gaming or doing audio | 17:56 |
| holstein | but, for the casual windows program, it works great | 17:57 |
| stephenthemartyr | microsoft is cool with that? | 17:58 |
| holstein | what do they care | 17:58 |
| holstein | you bought windows | 17:58 |
| stephenthemartyr | noope | 17:58 |
| stephenthemartyr | my gf must have | 17:58 |
| holstein | you buy the disc/license, and they got their $$ | 17:58 |
| holstein | you can run it where ever you want | 17:59 |
| stephenthemartyr | she gave me this computer for my bday all set up cause my old one was not gunna cut it for recording | 17:59 |
| holstein | even on an intel mac :) | 17:59 |
| holstein | apple are the ones that like to dictate what hardware you install the macOS on | 17:59 |
| stephenthemartyr | hey in ur opinion is pre-sonus or saphire have better firewire a.i.'s? | 17:59 |
| stephenthemartyr | of course they do | 18:00 |
| stephenthemartyr | ive never had one | 18:00 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: i think it depends on what you want | 18:00 |
| holstein | the firepod is literally out of the box | 18:00 |
| holstein | the focusrite saphire pro40 is not that much more $$ though | 18:01 |
| holstein | and probably better pre amps? | 18:01 |
| holstein | not sure about that | 18:01 |
| holstein | i heard it was a little tricky with the new stack rolling out | 18:01 |
| stephenthemartyr | what about presonus? | 18:01 |
| holstein | but i think its sorted out, and i have no way of checking | 18:01 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: what about it? | 18:01 |
| holstein | all i have is the firepod | 18:01 |
| stephenthemartyr | thats the firepod | 18:02 |
| holstein | the pres are OK | 18:02 |
| holstein | the support is great | 18:02 |
| holstein | you need a texas instruments firewire chip | 18:02 |
| stephenthemartyr | im gunna get either the pre-sonus studio firewire or a saffire | 18:02 |
| holstein | theres also http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=ECAF12&omid=106&ref=cag&CAWELAID=761538991 | 18:03 |
| holstein | i hear the new ALSA firewire built in driver is almost working with that | 18:03 |
| holstein | which is awesome :) | 18:03 |
| holstein | no preamps though | 18:03 |
| holstein | that might not be what you are looking for | 18:03 |
| holstein | thats more what im looking for | 18:03 |
| holstein | nice A/D converters | 18:03 |
| holstein | balanced ins | 18:04 |
| holstein | no pres | 18:04 |
| stephenthemartyr | whoa cool | 18:04 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea there is a page to check which work with linux and whiuch dont yea? | 18:04 |
| holstein | sure, but i believe it when i see it running on my hardware | 18:04 |
| holstein | all it takes is a kernel rev, or a stack rev... something changes in FFADO or alsa or whatever and it seems like its broken ;) | 18:05 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea in the mic input on my laptop is no good | 18:05 |
| stephenthemartyr | haha | 18:05 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea | 18:05 |
| stephenthemartyr | well im gunna try and boot this tango studio | 18:05 |
| holstein | good idea | 18:05 |
| stephenthemartyr | i just burn it on a dvd right | 18:06 |
| holstein | run fsck from it while you are in there | 18:06 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: i havent tried tango... you'll need to copy | 18:06 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok will do | 18:06 |
| holstein | using the downloaded iso as the source | 18:06 |
| holstein | and the blank CD/DVD as the destination | 18:06 |
| stephenthemartyr | ok | 18:06 |
| holstein | depending on the size | 18:07 |
| stephenthemartyr | ill use brasewro | 18:07 |
| stephenthemartyr | brasero | 18:07 |
| stephenthemartyr | i cannot type | 18:07 |
| holstein | you can burn CD images to DVD's | 18:07 |
| stephenthemartyr | that fsck checks harddrive | 18:07 |
| holstein | check and fixes | 18:07 |
| holstein | read that wiki about it, it says how to run it | 18:08 |
| holstein | i reference it each time ;) | 18:08 |
| stephenthemartyr | awesome thanks for your patience and for not treating me like the uibuntu channel people did | 18:08 |
| stephenthemartyr | i will | 18:08 |
| stephenthemartyr | thanks man | 18:08 |
| holstein | well, its challenging in that channel | 18:08 |
| stephenthemartyr | yea im sure | 18:08 |
| stephenthemartyr | but if ya aint up for it i guess u shouldnt,at least thats what i think | 18:09 |
| stephenthemartyr | <holstein>unfortunately my discs are too small | 18:15 |
| stephenthemartyr | i cant do thwt coommand un studio? | 18:16 |
| holstein | stephenthemartyr: ok | 18:18 |
| holstein | one at a time... | 18:18 |
| holstein | your discs are too small? | 18:18 |
| holstein | the iso is bigger than the DVD's you have? | 18:18 |
| holstein | this should still work for running fsck on reboot | 18:19 |
| holstein | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-force-fsck-on-the-next-reboot-or-boot-sequence/ | 18:19 |
| stephenthemartyr | no rewritable dvds | 18:34 |
| stephenthemartyr | cd's are re-writable but not big enough | 18:34 |
| holstein | right | 18:35 |
| holstein | most of the audio distros are going to be too large for CD | 18:36 |
| stephenthemartyr | damn | 18:36 |
| holstein | thats another reason i suggested gnuguitarinux | 18:36 |
| holstein | its smallish | 18:36 |
| stephenthemartyr | i dont have money or friends | 18:36 |
| stephenthemartyr | ha | 18:36 |
| stephenthemartyr | thats why i havent been doing these btw | 18:36 |
| stephenthemartyr | dude i think i did that one but i dont remember which dvd it is | 18:38 |
| holstein | should be a CD | 18:38 |
| holstein | you dont have any DVD's? | 18:38 |
| stephenthemartyr | i do have 11.04 | 18:38 |
| holstein | you dont need a DVD | 18:38 |
| stephenthemartyr | i dont know | 18:39 |
| holstein | you can use a USB stick | 18:39 |
| stephenthemartyr | dont have one | 18:39 |
| stephenthemartyr | guiatrgnu can be cd? | 18:39 |
| holstein | should be | 18:39 |
| holstein | the iso is smallish | 18:39 |
| holstein | i dont know what you burned it to though | 18:39 |
| stephenthemartyr | the only way to find oput is to reboot right | 18:40 |
| holstein | thats one way | 18:40 |
| holstein | you can look at the disc | 18:40 |
| stephenthemartyr | how would that tell me | 18:41 |
| stephenthemartyr | i didnt mark it,except 11.04 | 18:41 |
| holstein | you should be able to see whats burned to the disc | 18:42 |
| holstein | the label might say something too | 18:42 |
| holstein | probably wont say gnuguitarinux, but im sure you can figure it out | 18:42 |
| stephenthemartyr | any old music player should be able tosee it ? | 18:46 |
| holstein | well, its not music | 18:48 |
| holstein | i would just put it in, and it should show up on the desktop | 18:48 |
| holstein | you should see the label there | 18:48 |
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