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[01:25] <ScottK> perlqt built in ninjas
[02:49] <ScottK> claydoh: Can haz release notes for Alpha 3 by Wed?
[02:51] <ScottK> kdepim binaries accepted.
[02:53] <ScottK> perlkde built too.
[02:53] <ScottK> It'd be good if someone could upload perlqt and perlkde.
[04:27] <claydoh> ScottK: yes, I will do them tomorrow, any highlights (other than 4.7) ? I am a little out of the loop I think
[04:27] <ScottK> claydoh: The big news is KDEpim 4.7.0.  It's our first update to the new KDEpim.
[04:27] <ScottK> But yes, 4.7.0.
[04:27] <claydoh> kdepim 
[04:27] <claydoh> ahh
[04:27] <ScottK> Others will know stuff too.
[04:28] <claydoh> kdepim has been, well, fun
[04:34] <ScottK> New amarok.
[04:34] <ScottK> Not sure what's in it.
[04:35] <claydoh> gpodder mygpo support 
[04:35] <claydoh> iirc
[04:48] <Tm_T> and revolutionary new ... bug fixes
[04:50] <rww> does kubuntu-backports get updates to fix odd bugginess, or is e.g. 4.7 pushed out the door and that's it?
[04:51] <rww> (don't have something specific in mind, just curious about the workflow)
[05:01] <Tm_T> rww: unless it's something that needs quick fix, it'll wait monthly bugfix release from upstream
[05:01] <rww> k
[05:01] <Tm_T> atleast AFAIK that's how it goes
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[07:26] <bambee> morning
[07:26] <markey> hey folks
[07:26] <markey> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:26] <markey>  kdelibs5-plugins : Breaks: kdevelop (< 4:4.2) but 4:4.0.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[07:26] <markey> I'm not even using KDevelop
[07:26] <markey> how to fix this?
[07:27] <markey> I'd love to nuke KDevelop into orbit
[07:28] <markey> apt-get remove kdevelop ?
[08:20] <felimwhiteley> ugh 4.7 ppa is either broken or there's some dolphin regressions :( takes about 3mins to open Dolphin up.. anyone else getting that?
[08:23] <felimwhiteley> both via quicklaunch and krunner and from the menu..
[08:36] <felimwhiteley> hmm seems to be Soprano errors.. open bug? Soprano: "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Invalid name"
[08:49] <debfx> ScottK, yofel: perlqt and perlkde are in new
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[09:32] <yofel> rww: right, the bugfixes get in with kde point releases, but if you think there's something that needs fixing file a bug against the PPA
[09:32] <yofel> markey: try to purge it, maybe that'll help
[09:33] <yofel> felimwhiteley: I haven't gotten any such errors on my system yet...
[09:34] <felimwhiteley> yofel: hmm weird I don't know why.. I've seen this where people had virtuo-t using high CPU or nepomuk crashed but it is fine for me..
[09:35] <yofel> felimwhiteley: feel free to file a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ - maybe someone else can take a look later
[09:44] <felimwhiteley> ok will do
[09:45] <felimwhiteley> is there a way to double check nepomuk etc is running? Bar it saying it is inside the System Settings tool
[09:48] <felimwhiteley> or bar the virtuoso process running
[09:49] <felimwhiteley> get another error too Soprano: "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Invalid name"
[09:49] <felimwhiteley> I'll stick it all in a bug report
[09:55] <apachelogger> Quintasan: Did you upload phonon vlc yet?
[09:58] <felimwhiteley> I've added that in as https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/819720
[09:58] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 819720 in Kubuntu PPA "Dolphin Takes Long Time To Load Soprano/Dbus errors" [Undecided,New]
[09:58] <felimwhiteley> what he said ^
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[11:02] <steveire> ScottK: I hope to be able to test out the packages of kdepim soon, yep
[11:02] <steveire> Should I test on 11.10?
[11:14] <yofel> steveire: yes please, the natty packages will probably stay in experimental so oneiric has priority
[12:19] <ScottK> steveire: It's in the archive for Oneiric, so we really need that tested.
[12:39]  * yofel goes packaging prison
[12:56] <yofel> aaaaargh
[12:56] <yofel> prison is missing COPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS
[13:09] <ScottK> Did anyone here retry kmail on armel?
[13:40] <ScottK> debfx: Can you sponsor perlqt and perlkde today?
[13:43] <ScottK> Oh, wait.  Nevermind
[13:50] <ScottK> perlqt source accepted.
[13:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: actually i'm waiting for someone to upload kstars
[13:58] <shadeslayer> from ninjas
[13:59] <ScottK> Can't be me though, I need to put it through New.
[14:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: apachelogger yofel: ^
[14:02] <yofel> IIRC that'll be source new material, so I don't think I can upload that
[14:04] <yofel> bbiab, can someone review this in the meanwhile? It's been a while since I packaged something from scratch:
[14:04] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/prison] Philip Muškovac * 1 * (14 files in 4 dirs) Initial release
[15:59] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[15:59] <_Groo_> anyone here uses basket?
[16:42] <Quintasan> ScottK: Can you sync http://packages.debian.org/sid/libalure-dev ?
[16:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: kstars	(4:4.6.90+repack-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED
[16:43] <Quintasan> Y U NO 4.7.0?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: check ninjas
[16:43] <Quintasan> bump bzr?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> oh, right, forgot to bump bzr
[16:53] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: pushed
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[17:42] <CIA-52> [kstars] Michal Zajac * 4 * debian/changelog Releasing version 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1
[17:58] <yofel> Quintasan: mind taking a look at prison?
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[18:07] <CIA-52> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/qtruby] Philip Muškovac * 6 * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) fix licensing of examples/ruboids
[18:07] <yofel> Quintasan: and re-upload qtruby please?
[18:10] <_Groo_> stupid question
[18:10] <_Groo_> im trying to compile a app with debug symbols
[18:10] <yofel> compile or package?
[18:10] <_Groo_> so i did a dh_auto_configure -- -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
[18:10] <_Groo_> isnt that enough to pick up from drkonki
[18:10] <yofel> package :)
[18:11] <_Groo_> yofel: compile and package
[18:11] <yofel> _Groo_: you _did_ override dh_strip, did you?
[18:11] <_Groo_> override_dh_auto_configure:         dh_auto_configure -- -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Debug
[18:11] <yofel> I'm talking about strip, not auto_configure
[18:11] <_Groo_> yofel: can you paste me a complete set? :P
[18:12] <yofel> well, just read the manpage.... if you have a debug package it would look like this for example:
[18:12] <yofel> override_dh_strip:
[18:12] <yofel>         dh_strip --dbg-package=libprison-dbg
[18:12] <_Groo_> no no, its a quick test, i just want the default package to have symbols
[18:12] <_Groo_> ah ok
[18:13] <_Groo_> gotcha
[18:13] <_Groo_> tks
[18:13] <yofel> _Groo_: then just leave my second line away and use an empty override
[18:13] <Quintasan> or install pkg-create-dbgsym
[18:13] <yofel> so that dh_strip is never run
[18:13] <yofel> or that
[18:13]  * yofel didn't think of that one..
[18:14] <_Groo_> so just add override_dh_strip:  without anything to buyild in current package?
[18:14] <yofel> right
[18:14] <_Groo_> k testing, tks yofel
[18:14] <Quintasan> persia told me about that one, it's neat stuff if you don't want to override half of the package just to get some dbg magic
[18:14] <_Groo_> basket is broken in 4.7 and im helping a basket dev to fix it
[18:14] <Quintasan> yofel: I can look at prison
[18:14] <_Groo_> gonna send a new one to ya guys when im done
[18:14] <Quintasan> gimmie branch pls
[18:15] <yofel> Quintasan: lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/prison
[18:15] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I did not since you told me not to (yet)
[18:16] <yofel> p-vlc is in debian now though
[18:16] <_Groo_> ahh nice trick # Skipping dh_strip - empty override
[18:16] <Quintasan> ScottK: Can you sync http://packages.debian.org/sid/libalure-dev and phonon-backend-vlc?
[18:17]  * Quintasan thinks he asked but didn't get an answer or doesnt remember
[18:17] <_Groo_> its not stripping now.. why the stupid package doesnt show debug symbols :P
[18:18] <_Groo_> yofel: can you take a look at the rules file pls? http://paste.ubuntu.com/657383/
[18:18] <Quintasan> yofel: Did you try contacting upstream about the license?
[18:19] <apachelogger> Quintasan: actually package has a bug ... vlc is a requirement not a recommendation
[18:19] <Quintasan> apachelogger: in Debian too?
[18:20] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I reckon without vlc installed videowidget wont work
[18:21] <Quintasan> If it uses vlc then no way :D
[18:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: What is the "supported" backend for Phonon anyways?
[18:22] <apachelogger> gstreamer and vlc
[18:22] <Quintasan> Neat.
[18:22] <yofel> Quintasan: what license?
[18:22] <Quintasan> BSD magic for CMake magic
[18:23] <Quintasan> I see a patch there to add the missing license
[18:23] <yofel> ah, svuorela committed that a few hours ago
[18:23] <yofel> he's upstream :P
[18:23] <Quintasan> Good.
[18:23] <yofel> _Groo_: --with quilt is a bit overkill if you use 3.0 (quilt)
[18:23] <Quintasan> :D
[18:24] <yofel> or do you use native?
[18:24] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah i know, it was just a quick copy/paste
[18:24] <_Groo_> yofel: anyway i did the proper way, added to control, etc :P
[18:24]  * Quintasan can never get quilt vs native right
[18:24] <yofel> you wanted comments, otherwise fine IMO 
[18:25] <Quintasan> yofel: prison built with -j12 here
[18:25] <Quintasan> lol
[18:25] <yofel> uh, does that even have 12 jobs it can spawn? ^^
[18:25] <Quintasan> *shrug*
[18:26] <Quintasan> sudo -E ARCH=i386 DIST=o ninja=1 pbuilder create
[18:26] <Quintasan> what a nice command
[18:26] <Quintasan> :D
[18:28] <Quintasan> ScottK: kstars is in New somehow
[18:29] <_Groo_> yofel: let me get this straight. when i build a dbg package it gets my package.install and remakes it but with build symbols.. so i just need to declare the files in package.install and thats it?
[18:29] <yofel> Quintasan: it's the first upload, that's why
[18:29] <Quintasan> I see
[18:30] <yofel> _Groo_: er, not really, if you have a dbg package it'll put the debugging symbols of all binary files that are built into that
[18:30] <Quintasan> _Groo_: Usually dh_strip is called which strips debug information form libraries and discards them or puts them into separate package if you tell it to do so
[18:30] <_Groo_> yeah
[18:30] <_Groo_> this is my rules
[18:30] <Quintasan> If you override it with no command then it won't get called and therefore won't strip debug info from files
[18:30] <yofel> EXCEPT if you are Quintasan and try to build Qt in neon :P
[18:31] <_Groo_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/657393/
[18:31] <_Groo_> this is my control
[18:31] <Quintasan> Yeah, that too
[18:31] <_Groo_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/657394/
[18:31] <Quintasan> _Groo_: Why do you have them commented?
[18:31] <_Groo_> this is my basket.install
[18:32] <_Groo_> i still need to put debug=full? when i have declared a -dbg in control?
[18:32] <yofel> _Groo_: a) why are the overrides commented out b) if you have a -dbg package don't use an empty override
[18:32] <yofel> use dh_strip --dbg-package=basket-dbg
[18:33] <Quintasan> _Groo_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/657395/
[18:33] <Quintasan> That's how would I do it
[18:33] <Quintasan> with the debian/control that is
[18:34] <_Groo_> Quintasan: and i still need to declare it in control, right?
[18:35] <Quintasan> basket-dbg package? yes
[18:36] <Quintasan> yofel: I though I would catch you on some symbols on i386 in prison but that didn't happen ^_^
[18:36] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for yofel
[18:36]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to yofel.
[18:36]  * Quintasan hands the Might Stick of apachelogger Poking to yofel
[18:36] <Quintasan> yofel: Since you are  -dev now you can have one
[18:36] <Quintasan> :D
[18:36]  * apachelogger is doing preps for DS
[18:37] <_Groo_> k it worked now, cookies to everyone :) but, if i declare a -dbg isnt dpkg smart enough to know what it is? or i always need to explictly say which files are there?
[18:37] <Quintasan> yofel: See, it works
[18:37] <apachelogger> SO LEAVE ME ALONE *fist waving etc.etc.*
[18:37] <Quintasan> _Groo_: You need to tell debuild that there is a package which contains debug symbols if you want to strip them to separate package
[18:38] <Quintasan> and dpkg somehow has to know what to pull when installing dbg stuff, doesnt it?
[18:38] <_Groo_> k
[18:38] <_Groo_> noted
[18:38] <_Groo_> still... drkonki still doesnt generated meaningfull stuff
[18:38] <apachelogger> what great awesomness have we done that went upstream?
[18:38] <Quintasan> _Groo_: kdebugdialog
[18:39] <Quintasan> _Groo_: enable all
[18:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I did neon
[18:39] <Quintasan> :P
[18:39] <apachelogger> more upstreamy
[18:39] <_Groo_> Quintasan: basket is marked in kdebugdialog
[18:39] <_Groo_> Quintasan: i need to enable all of it? :P
[18:40] <Quintasan> I would if I were hoping to get any sensible debug
[18:40] <Quintasan> s/get/do
[18:40] <Quintasan> s/get/do/
[18:40] <kubotu> Quintasan meant: "s/do/do"
[18:40] <Quintasan> lol
[18:41] <Quintasan> yofel: prison uploadan
[18:41] <_Groo_> Quintasan: nope, same thing
[18:41] <_Groo_> Quintasan: i need to add the debugfull? 
[18:42] <Quintasan> dpgk -X basket-dbg.deb /path/to/where/it/should/extract and see what's inside
[18:42] <Quintasan> _Groo_: hmm, try adding that to override_dh_auto_configure
[18:42] <Quintasan> Might work
[18:43] <Quintasan> yofel: Do we have to have prison now? I'd like someone else review it as well
[18:44]  * _Groo_ raises hand! whats prison?
[18:44]  * Quintasan goes playing games
[18:44] <Quintasan> _Groo_: QRCode generation library
[18:46] <Quintasan> yofel: hmm, you just had to remind me of Qt, didn't you?
[18:47]  * Quintasan still blames LP for that
[18:47] <_Groo_> i have this http://paste.ubuntu.com/657406/ inside -dbg and installed along normal basket... and yet it doesnt generate symbols
[18:47] <Quintasan> Hrm, no idea
[18:49]  * yofel tries
[18:49] <yofel> thanks for the stick btw. :D
[18:50] <claydoh> Ok folks, whats new in Kubuntu for the next alpha, outside of KDE 4.7 and amarok? anything you want highlighted?
[18:50] <claydoh> kdepim as well
[18:50] <yofel> Quintasan: well, it's needed for qrcode stuff in KDE, but as long as we get it in before FF it's fine
[18:50] <_Groo_> stupid question
[18:50] <_Groo_> when i activate all in kdebugdialog
[18:50] <_Groo_> its only used by drkonki?
[18:51] <_Groo_> or every single app in there is gonna start pew pewing debug symbols?
[18:51] <yofel> _Groo_: curious, can I see the trace?
[18:51] <yofel> and wait
[18:51] <yofel> kdebugdialog is about stderr output, isn't it?
[18:52] <_Groo_> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/657408/
[18:52] <yofel> _Groo_: erm
[18:53] <yofel> the *basket* symbols are all there
[18:53] <yofel> you're missing some dbus debug lib
[18:53] <_Groo_> drkonki still stays The packages containing debug information for the following application and libraries are missing:  /usr/bin/basket
[18:54] <_Groo_> well at least i was able to do the package correctly :P
[18:54] <yofel> _Groo_: well, it looked for basket-dbg in the archive I guess
[18:54] <yofel> anyway
[18:54] <yofel> is libdbus-1-3-dbgsym installed?
[18:55] <_Groo_> yofel: nope
[18:55] <yofel> go install
[18:55] <_Groo_> yofel: theres none
[18:55] <_Groo_> root@hydra:/home/groo# apt-cache search libdbus-1-3 dbus - simple interprocess messaging system libdbus-1-3 - simple interprocess messaging system
[18:55] <_Groo_> no dbg
[18:55] <yofel> _Groo_: please read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[18:56] <_Groo_> yofel: i read it..
[18:56] <_Groo_> yofel: my fight was with dbg packages
[18:56] <yofel> ok, so you enabled the dbgsym repository?
[18:56] <_Groo_> yofel: i learned it now :)
[19:01] <danimo> what is the naming convention for software that has no version number but is generated from a snapshot?
[19:01] <danimo> (for deb packages)
[19:02]  * danimo read foo-snapshot_YYYYMMDD, but dh_make doesn't like that
[19:02] <_Groo_> danimo: we usually call it phonon releases
[19:02]  * _Groo_ ducks and hides
[19:02] <yofel> lol
[19:02] <danimo> _Groo_: haha!
[19:02] <_Groo_> i lose a friend but i win a joke D:
[19:03] <_Groo_> try name~git20011122~ubuntu1~ppa1
[19:03] <yofel> danimo: no version number at all
[19:03] <yofel> ?
[19:03] <_Groo_> danimo: use date
[19:03] <danimo> yofel: indeed, it's a project that has never ever been released
[19:03] <_Groo_> like
[19:03] <danimo> (google breakpad)
[19:04] <_Groo_> 0.7.57+git20110802-1~natty~padoka0
[19:04] <danimo> it only exists as trunk svn project
[19:04] <yofel> date I think too
[19:04] <_Groo_> from rekonq for ex
[19:04] <yofel> or use date and svn rev, like DATE+rREV
[19:04] <_Groo_> put 0.1 then
[19:04] <_Groo_> cant miss with 0.1
[19:04] <yofel> or rather ~
[19:04] <_Groo_> 0.1~date+rrev
[19:04] <yofel> ia32libs for example is date only
[19:04] <yofel> !info ia32libs
[19:04] <ubottu> Package ia32libs does not exist in natty
[19:04] <yofel> !info ia32-libs
[19:04] <ubottu> Package ia32-libs does not exist in natty
[19:05] <yofel> yeah, right
[19:05] <yofel> 20090808ubuntu13
[19:06] <danimo> so if the source dir should be called google-breakpad_20110802 ?
[19:06] <yofel> no, google-breakpad-20110802
[19:06] <_Groo_> can someone hack freenode and delete what i said above, so apachelogger doesnt hunt me down and kill me?
[19:06] <yofel> the source will be google-breakpad_20110802.orig.tar.xz
[19:07] <danimo> wonderful :)
[19:07] <danimo> works now
[19:08] <_Groo_> :)
[19:09] <danimo> thanks guys
[19:22] <claydoh> _Groo_: you would also have to track down everyone in here and bribe them to clear their history 
[19:22]  * claydoh stands with his hand out.... :D
[19:22] <_Groo_> claydoh: yeah i know ;)
[19:25] <_Groo_> im lazy, ill just let him kill me
[19:25] <_Groo_> dont like to run
[19:33] <ScottK> Quintasan: I'll have a look.
[19:44] <danimo> interesting, there seems to be no documentation on how to pass "-jX" to debuild
[19:45] <yofel> that's handled by dpkg-buildpackage, so read that manpage. debuild just passes it through
[19:45] <yofel> debuild -j8 would actually be correct
[19:47] <ScottK> kstars source accepted.
[19:48] <sheytan_> apachelogger ping
[19:49] <apachelogger> sheytan_: yuz?
[19:49] <sheytan_> apachelogger i have a nice idea, just give me a minute
[19:51] <apachelogger> sheytan_: roger
[19:54] <_Groo_> ok, a basked developer fixed the crash
[19:54] <_Groo_> should i send a  package to you guys to put in backports? or?
[19:56] <yofel> how severe is the crash?
[19:57] <_Groo_> yofel: open basket, see it crash
[19:57]  * yofel tries
[19:57] <_Groo_> yofel: their implementation of KUrls is broken
[19:57] <_Groo_> if you open a empty basket it works
[19:57] <_Groo_> put a url in there... bang
[19:58] <_Groo_> yofel: you can get the temporary fix in https://git.gitorious.org/~robertm/basket/robertm-basket.git
[19:59] <_Groo_> yofel: ive been testing and send bug reports for hours... took 15 builds :P
[19:59] <_Groo_> but its working now :)
[19:59] <_Groo_> now i need to bug the fancy tasks devel
[19:59] <_Groo_> already sent email.. need to hunt him down in IRC
[20:00] <yofel> _Groo_: ok, more detailed please. I opened basket, put an url in the general tab, nothing crashed
[20:00] <_Groo_> ok
[20:00] <_Groo_> backup your basketrc (you are in 4.7 correct?), and your .kde/share/apps/basket
[20:01] <_Groo_> let him make the default demonstration baskets
[20:01] <_Groo_> open the second sub folder from the top down
[20:01] <_Groo_> it will crash
[20:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks, what about alure?
[20:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: Needed by gluon
[20:01] <yofel> Quintasan: uploaded ruby?
[20:01] <Quintasan> yofel: ?
[20:02] <Quintasan> Not that I know anything about that
[20:02] <yofel> Quintasan: qtruby needs re-upload
[20:02] <yofel> I did ping you..
[20:02] <ScottK> Quintasan: Is it in New?
[20:02] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks
[20:02] <Quintasan> yofel: uploading
[20:03] <yofel> thanks
[20:03] <Quintasan> yofel: qtruby (4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1)?
[20:04] <yofel> Quintasan: the one from bzr
[20:04] <Quintasan> it's that
[20:04] <Quintasan> qtruby (4:4.7.0-0ubuntu1)
[20:04] <yofel> still named ubuntu1 since it wsa rejected
[20:04] <Quintasan> Oh
[20:04] <Quintasan> Can ScottK guide it through New?
[20:04] <_Groo_> gonna go home, seeya all tomorrow
[20:04] <_Groo_> yofel: did it crash?
[20:04] <yofel> sure, once it's up again
[20:04] <ScottK> Quintasan: Yes.  Once it's uploaded.
[20:04] <yofel> _Groo_: haven't gotten it to crash yet
[20:04] <Quintasan> ScottK: Uploaded.
[20:05] <_Groo_> yofel: well the developer did reproduce the crashes
[20:05] <_Groo_> in the git i sent you its the fix
[20:05] <_Groo_> yofel: di you reseted it like i said?
[20:06] <yofel> well, it's the first time I ever used it
[20:06] <_Groo_> yofel: its a killer app for me :)
[20:07] <_Groo_> anyway seeya all tomorrow
[20:12] <apachelogger> sheytan_: that is more than a minute now :P also please join #phonon
[20:12] <sheytan_> apachelogger already finished
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[21:31] <claydoh> apachelogger: anything you feel needs highlighting for the release notes for alpha3?
[21:34] <apachelogger> My gigantic phonon.
[21:34] <apachelogger> claydoh: I am not in touch with development of the past couple of weeks.
[21:35] <Mamarok> any ETA for Amarok 2.4.3?
[21:35] <claydoh> apachelogger: just trolling for items, Scott K already listed a couple
[21:35] <claydoh> and no one else seems to have anything to add
[21:36] <claydoh> Mamarok: in oneiric now
[21:37] <Mamarok> nice :) What about Natty?
[21:47]  * yofel tries to build amarok on natty
[22:09] <yofel> debfx: why aren't the dbus interfaces for amarok installed again?
[22:18] <claydoh> heh wiki.kubuntu.org goes down just when I log in, go figure
[22:44] <Daskreech> What's the term for a button that has been pushed in?
[22:44] <Daskreech> activated?
[22:44] <Daskreech> sunken?
[22:58] <ScottK> clicked?
[23:01] <LaserJock> so I found that when running pidgin on 4.7 (natty) that if I start pidgin as a part of the session I get old GNOME notifications + KDE notifications  but if I start pidgin afterward I get only KDE's notifications
[23:01] <LaserJock> is that worth filing a bug and where would I do that?
[23:06] <Daskreech> clicked I guess
[23:06] <Daskreech> Pressed
[23:06] <Daskreech> clicked works but I just want to describe it being down
[23:06] <Daskreech> clicked state
[23:14] <ScottK> LaserJock: Probably pidgin getting started before plasma.
[23:14] <LaserJock> is there a way to order that? I was just using the "restore session" thing
[23:30] <ScottK> No, it's a bug.
[23:30] <ScottK> kstars binaries accepted.
[23:31] <ScottK> qtruby too
[23:32] <claydoh> ScottK: any known issues for a3? I am not seeing any here :)
[23:32] <micahg> there should be a conflict on the KDE notification engine and the GNOME one
[23:39] <ScottK> micahg: No.  They should be co-installable, but only one should be running.
[23:40] <ScottK> claydoh: People need to be careful about kdepim issues for upgrades.
[23:40] <micahg> ScottK: no, every other thing that provides notification-daemon conflicts/provides
[23:40] <ScottK> So how does one have ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop co-installed?
[23:40] <claydoh> ScottK: agreed
[23:40] <micahg> ScottK: technically, I agree with you, but they should all behave the same way
[23:41] <micahg> ScottK: until recently, kubuntu hasn't provided a notification-daemon at a package level :), xubuntu/ubuntu co-installability ended in natty
[23:57] <LaserJock> ScottK: sorry for being so dense, but what package would I file a bug against?
[23:58] <ScottK> LaserJock: I'm guessing kde-workspace, but it's better to file it upstream.
[23:59] <LaserJock> that really stinks that *buntu become not con-installable :(
[23:59] <LaserJock> co-installable