[00:11] <raevin> anyone know why times new roman isn't showing in librewriter?  i have ttmscorefonts installed but none of the ms core fonts are displaying as usable
[00:12] <MaximLevitsky> raevin: I know
[00:12] <raevin> MaximLevitsky: this wouldn't be an issue if i didn't need it for school, lol
[00:12] <MaximLevitsky> raevin: thats because ubuntu has totaly fucked-up fontconfig setting
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky> Honestly I didn't know how to fix it
[00:13] <raevin> MaximLevitsky: is there a way to fix it??
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky> I just removed the offending fonts
[00:13] <raevin> i don't even know what's offending it tho o.o
[00:13] <MaximLevitsky> raevin: its hard to fix really
[00:14] <MaximLevitsky> me nether, I had that issue with PDFs
[00:14] <MaximLevitsky> and about o.o, really install ms office
[00:14] <MaximLevitsky> I had so much issues with O.O that I decided its not worth the pain
[00:14] <raevin> but i got away from that, so i thought T_T lol
[00:15] <raevin> i've found libre to be different in some aspects but i understand
[00:15] <raevin> i might install office then
[00:15] <MaximLevitsky> in fact if the O.O were to be nuked, vaporized and relicensed under a draconic license Linux would benifit
[00:16] <raevin> MaximLevitsky: you really hate openoffice, don't you?
[00:16] <MaximLevitsky> raevin: Yep
[00:17] <MaximLevitsky> The point with O.O is that is not just bug ridden, but is mess of the code so nobody touches it
[00:17] <ppq> raevin: you have to do a "sudo fc-cache" after installing fonts
[00:17] <raevin> ppq: thanks, i'll try that
[00:17] <raevin> ppq: any reason as to why?
[00:17] <MaximLevitsky> And yet its very hard competetior to other office suites cause it has lot of features that others has to cactch to
[00:18] <MaximLevitsky> ppq: that won't help
[00:18] <ppq> if that doesn't help, try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig"
[00:18] <MaximLevitsky> I fought with that once all day
[00:18] <MaximLevitsky> fonconfig just insists to pick wrong fonts
[00:19] <raevin> ppq: running fc-cache didn't do anything, trying dpkg now
[00:19] <ppq> raevin: you have to restart x or update the font cache manually after installing fonts. i don't know why it is like that..
[00:19] <MaximLevitsky> I rather use small but bug free office suite that officilly says it has NO doc support that use buggy as hell office suite like O.O
[00:19] <ppq> raevin: you have to restart openoffice/libreoffice, as well
[00:19] <MaximLevitsky> It really sets Linux back
[00:20] <MaximLevitsky> Linux developer should really pick the time proven strategy, focus one one thing and do that well
[00:20] <raevin> i've restarted X many times tho since i installed mscorefonts, and it still hasn't done anything :/  not even dpkg-reconfigure
[00:20] <raevin> ppq: i've also restarted libreoffice after each command
[00:21] <MaximLevitsky> And rather improve Ofice support in wine
[00:21] <raevin> office 07 and 10 work just fine for me in wine MaximLevitsky
[00:21] <MaximLevitsky> Like iPad doesn't have office
[00:21] <MaximLevitsky> Yet peoples buy it...
[00:21] <MaximLevitsky> raevin: good to know
[00:22] <raevin> MaximLevitsky: going to assume that wasn't a smartass response...
[00:22] <MaximLevitsky> raevin: sure
[00:22] <ppq> strange.. libreoffice works for me. so does ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[00:23] <raevin> ppq: is there a way to reinstall ttf?  maybe it got corrupt some how
[00:23] <MaximLevitsky> ppq: what says 'fc-match "Times"'
[00:23] <MaximLevitsky> fc-match "Times"
[00:23] <MaximLevitsky> and
[00:23] <MaximLevitsky> fc-match "Symbol"
[00:23] <ppq> give me a minute, i have to boot my ubuntu machine
[00:24] <MaximLevitsky> Especially harmfull was that Nimbus N9 font I remember
[00:24] <raevin> MaximLevitsky: that's what times shows for me
[00:24] <MaximLevitsky> raevin: then nuke it
[00:25] <raevin> MaximLevitsky: not exactly sure i can fit a 10-ton (if not more) weapon inside of a sata hard drive...
[00:25] <MaximLevitsky> raevin: :-)
[00:26] <MaximLevitsky> I moved /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts to /usr/share/fonts/type1/.zrem/gsfonts
[00:26] <MaximLevitsky> Thats a bit barbaric, but works fine
[00:27] <MaximLevitsky> its comes from gs-fonts package and its not removeable
[00:27] <MaximLevitsky> also I removed 'ttf-symbol-repalcement'
[00:27] <MaximLevitsky> that thing has just wrong symbols
[00:27] <MaximLevitsky> even without ms fonts other symbols fonts that kick it are better
[00:28] <raevin> fixed it a lot easier than doing that
[00:28] <raevin> uninstall/reinstall mscorefonts
[00:28] <raevin> <3
[00:28] <MaximLevitsky> raevin: dunno, I tried that
[00:28] <raevin> MaximLevitsky: worked for me :D now to uninstall officeshit
[00:29] <MaximLevitsky> raevin: and what about fc-match "Times"
[00:29] <raevin> still n021003l.pfb: "Nimbus Roman No9 L" "Regular"
[00:30] <MaximLevitsky> So, its still there to bite you, but anyway, it its works for you, its fine
[00:30] <raevin> MaximLevitsky: eh, if the teacher bitches i'll tell her it shows times new roman for me
[00:32] <MaximLevitsky> raevin: and about Office beeing shit, I won't disagree with you, its just better to use it and focus on better OS that to give users false sense of hope that eventually user reliazes that O.O isn't Office but very buggy program
[00:33] <yuriy> I'm trying to search for part of an attachment file name in KMail. anyone know how to do that?
[00:33] <raevin> yuriy: could try Edit->Find Messages
[00:34] <raevin> attachments show in the body of the e-mail so if you search the complete message it might work
[00:36] <yuriy> raevin: oh wow that works. too simple and obvious. i was tring to search in headers.. thanks
[00:36] <raevin> yuriy: no problem :D  glad i could help you
[00:42] <sithlord48> has anyone tried any ubuntu on UEFI board?
[00:48] <Linkmaster> I'm trying to build the dependencies for koffice, but when I run 'sudo apt-get build-dep koffice' I get the error 'E: Unable to find a source package for koffice'
[00:51] <rww> Linkmaster: System Settings -> Software Management -> Settings -> Edit Origins -> [X] Source Code
[00:51] <Linkmaster> that was the first thing I checked for
[00:51] <rww> (technical comment: you need to add deb-src lines that match the existing deb lines for any repositories from which you want to pull source packages)
[00:51] <rww> (and then run apt-get update)
[02:04] <cypha> how do I make sure indexing is off?
[02:05] <rww> cypha: assuming we mean the same indexing, System Settings -> Desktop Search -> uncheck both boxes on "Basic Settings" tab
[02:06] <cypha> thanks. my kubuntu is going slow as shit with desktop effects off. and apparently indexing is off too.
[02:06] <cypha> any ideas?
[02:07] <cypha> or else what do you think the fastest linux is on X?
[03:00] <cypha> what's the fastest linux using X?
[05:09] <Fender2012> ？
[05:09] <bittin`> :o?
[05:12] <Fender2012> 无聊啊
[05:14] <rww> !cn
[05:14] <goodtime> whoa
[05:15] <goodtime> hmmm
[05:15] <goodtime> it might be a setup
[05:15] <bittin`> rww, he left
[05:15] <goodtime> hmmm
[05:16] <goodtime> he still can be traced
[05:16] <goodtime> or she
[05:16] <bittin`> ah
[05:17] <snarkster> hi this may be OT. how do you compile a kernel on a machine when linux doesnt run on it?
[05:19] <goodtime> back
[05:20] <snarkster> hi this may be OT. how do you compile a kernel on a machine when linux doesnt run on it?
[05:20] <bittin`> goodtime, ok
[05:22] <bittin`> snarkster, i think ##kernel or ##linux is a better place for your question
[05:22] <snarkster> thank you
[05:54] <cypha> in kate, how to i make a line collapsable?
[06:58] <janmalte> i've searched through the bug tracking tools, but didn't found any solution or hint someone is lokking for it
[06:58] <janmalte> i changed to KDEPIM 4.7 and now my dual core is working most of the time on 100%
[06:58] <janmalte> virtuoso-t is taking most of it
[07:03] <Linkmaster> same thing to me, though I dont know why
[07:04] <Linkmaster> its just CPU, none of my super swap I set up
[07:07] <janmalte> yes, it seems like many users have these issues
[07:08] <janmalte> i'm wondering if the devs didn't had it or if it is just a las call patch just before tagging and packaging
[07:08] <janmalte> liek this the notebook is very unusable
[07:09] <janmalte> even with a completly new user and just one mailaccount his happens
[07:52] <James147> janmalte: turn off the indexing ^^
[07:55] <James147> janmalte: or you could try and wait for it to finish indexing everything :) not sure if its buggy or just taking its time
[08:04] <jemand> Hi all
[08:05] <jemand> since I upg yesterday to KDE 4.7  amaroK can't stream anymore  ;-(
[08:12] <alvin> since I upg yesterday to KDE 4.7 kmail can't move messages anymore :-(
[08:24] <simplygades> Hi everyone! I installed Kdepim from the ppa, however launching Kmail 2 displays a "KMail encountered a fatal error and will terminate now.
[08:24] <simplygades> The error was:
[08:24] <simplygades> Failed to fetch the resource collection" dialog. Is that a known issue, or should I file a bug?
[08:25] <simplygades> ...oh, the kmail windows is responsive, until I click ok at the dialog, then it terminates.
[08:25] <James147> simplygades: first try it on a new user... if it works for them then its a config error
[08:26] <simplygades> James147: thanks, I'll try and report.
[08:27] <alvin> I fear for installing kdepim2. The current kmail is actually able to read messages. I wonder what will break. According to many users, many things will break and kmail2 is not stable yet.
[08:29] <gorgonizer> kmail2 is working fine for me I must say..
[08:30] <janmalte> James147: Its not nepomuk, its kmail2 and akonadi i think
[08:31] <James147> janmalte: virtuoso-t is the file indexer (and nepomuk is more then just the indexer)
[08:31] <janmalte> ok, so i will try it
[08:32] <simplygades> Do I have to launch User management as superuser to let me modify the accounts? what's the command pls?
[08:32] <janmalte> just diasableing strigi? or how to disable the indexer?
[08:32] <James147> simplygades: dont think you need to
[08:32] <simplygades> Buttons are grayed-out..
[08:32] <James147> simplygades: if i remember it now prompts for a password when you try to save changes
[08:33] <James147> simplygades: hmm... then kdesudo kcmshell4 kcm_useraccount
[08:33]  * James147 notes that kcmshell4 --list   will list all the modules it can open :)
[08:34] <simplygades> James147: thanks a lot!
[08:43] <janmalte> James147: I found this blog entry http://blogs.kde.org/node/4457 and it seems like it helped. thanks for your hint so i changed my search subjects
[08:58] <lena> Hello
[08:59] <lena> here who says realties in Russian?
[09:01] <janmalte> James147: Just one last update, this solved it just for one of my accounts, the new created one, the other, old one, has still 100%cpu load
[09:04] <James147> janmalte: possibally a issue with your configs as well then
[09:04] <James147> (or its still indexing files on your old user)
[09:08] <lena>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[09:11] <simplygades> James147: I created new user, the dialog didn't appear, added my imap mail account, then Kmail crashed on opening the first unread message.
[09:13] <simplygades> and I've got an "akonadi_agent_launcher crashed with SIGSEGV in typeinfo name for KStandardDirs()" too.
[09:14] <simplygades> tried again and seems to work now
[09:23] <Who> hello
[09:23] <Who> are there any macbook users for kubuntu
[09:23] <Who> ?
[09:23] <Who> i got macbook pro 8.1 few weeks back , i realized there is good guide on ubuntu for it (wiki)
[09:23] <Who> but i feel kubuntu should have one as well
[09:23] <goodtime> wow i would have never tryed that
[09:24] <Who> like synaptiks already provides most of multitouch functions in kubuntu
[09:24] <goodtime> ubuntu would work better
[09:24] <Who> so i am thinking of writing a small guide
[09:24] <Who> i mean
[09:24] <Who> it will be inspired by ubuntu wiki of course and its forums
[09:24] <goodtime> kubuntu's desktop needs more ram than ubuntu
[09:25] <Who> but since i will be trying it on kubuntu , the results might be more accurate
[09:25] <Who> well the only thing is, how many macbook pro 8.1 users are there in first place
[09:26] <goodtime> plus you can just install ubuntu and still get the kde desktop for it
[09:26] <goodtime> then you can chose what you want to boot with
[09:26] <James147> s/boot/login/
[09:29] <goodtime> Who: in synaptic you can apply kdefull
[09:29] <libro> hi all, does anybody know how I can get the latest version of Amarok (V.2.4.3)?
[09:30] <goodtime> apt-get install amarok
[09:31] <James147> libro: dont think its been packaged for kubuntu yet... it was only just released :S
[09:32] <James147> libro: http://www.kubuntu.org/news  << it will be announced there if/when it is packaged though its likly to end up in backports ppa  (like kde 4.7)
[09:33] <simplygades> libro: it's on the experimental ppa I think but not foor production machines. If you're just testing though it's ok
[09:34] <simplygades> libro: that's what I'm running now
[09:34] <James147> simplygades: its probally not in there yet... and if it is it would be best to wait for it to be placed somewhere else
[09:34] <goodtime> heh
[09:35] <simplygades> James147: I warned libro : ). But my version is 2.4.3 I can't think of elsewhere to have gotten it.
[09:36] <James147> simplygades: then it will probally be in a more stable repo soon if there are no problems with it :)
[09:36] <goodtime> James147: so it needs to be tested
[09:37] <James147> goodtime: I would hope so... it was only released today :)
[09:37] <goodtime> and thats why foss is the best
[09:38] <James147> (or according to the time stamp on the article in one hour :p...)
[09:38]  * James147 wonders what timezone it was released in 
[09:38] <simplygades> James147: It updated yesterday (Build date Aug 1) so far seems fine, but I'm still testing it. By the way Kmail is really fast when it works
[09:39] <James147> or not... my clock seems to be wrong :P
[09:39] <James147> (and my date)
[09:39] <simplygades> :D
[09:39] <goodtime> it happens
[09:40]  * James147 blames windows... his time has never been accurate since he installed it)
[09:40] <simplygades> mine too! I should have died 3 years ago! :P
[09:40] <goodtime> omg
[09:40] <goodtime> of course
[09:41] <goodtime> hey if its still running ok then by all meens run it
[09:43] <goodtime> prob soon linux might have a virus but its for sure for windows
[09:44] <James147> goodtime: ^^ linux already have viruses... they just dont tend to live long
[09:45] <goodtime> oic ok i thought so i just wasnt sure because i just heard about it
[09:45] <James147> goodtime: they tend to get patched quickly... which is why you should start uptodate
[09:45] <James147> stay^^
[09:45] <goodtime> ah i see
[09:45] <goodtime> makes sence
[09:46] <Peace-> James147: xD i don't upgrade
[09:46] <goodtime> well if its lts dristro your good
[09:46] <goodtime> LTS
[09:47] <James147> Peace-: even security updates?
[09:47] <goodtime> some how i dont think so James147
[09:49] <goodtime> well i gotta go i guess
[09:49] <goodtime>  peace
[10:19] <Fanfare> Q:i added module atl1c to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-ath-pci.conf but it still gets loaded after reboot? Kubuntu natty
[10:26] <Incarus6> I suppose it's the wrong blacklist file, try blacklist.conf, Fanfare
[10:27] <Fanfare> Incarus6: shouldnt they all be read and used...? moving line to blacklist.conf...
[10:28] <Incarus6> Fanfare, I'm not sure if that makes a difference but things should allways be in the correct blacklist file
[10:29] <Incarus6> Fanfare, but "sudo modprobe -r atl1c" is working correctly?
[10:31] <Fanfare> Incarus6: reasons: the atl1c module is the driver for the atheros lan adapter and that freezes system when not connected or gets disconnected... so i thought ath-pci might be the right place.
[10:31] <Fanfare> sudo rmmod atl1c works fine
[10:32] <Fanfare> Incarus6: i dont  need a depmod run after editing blacklist files right?
[10:33] <Incarus6> Fanfare, I don't think so. What is the difference between atl1c and atl1e?
[10:34] <Fanfare> Incarus6: eth0 was created by atl1c here atl1e was not loaded.
[10:35] <Incarus6> What version of Kubuntu are you using?
[10:35] <Fanfare> kubuntu natty
[10:35] <Fanfare> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet (rev c1)
[10:36] <Fanfare> atl1c 0000:06:00.0: atl1c: eth0 NIC Link is Up<100 Mbps Full Duplex> from dmesg
[10:38] <Fanfare> rebooting now...
[10:42] <Fanfare> still loading atl1c :-(
[10:43] <camino> fanfare, after replacing my MB I had problems with 8152 too. I follwed this tread  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9449490 (i'm still on Lucid.)
[10:46] <Fanfare> the thing is i wnat to get rid of atl1c :-) it freezes system when not connected... this machine will most likely be online via wlan...
[10:48] <Incarus6> why don't just create an autostartscript with the content "sudo rmmod -f atl1c"?
[10:48]  * Incarus6 will be right back
[10:57] <Fanfare> ok, so i placed rmmod atl1c in /etc/rc.local couse blacklist atl1c in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf didn't prevent loading...
[10:57] <Fanfare> seems to work fine now...
[10:59] <Fanfare> thx for your help Incarus6 & camino
[11:17] <Incarus6> Yes!
[11:17]  * Incarus6 is downloading Nivida's driver 280.13
[11:19] <szal> 64bit driver was available yesterday
[11:19]  * szal waits for Roberto Ferramosca to package it
[11:20] <Incarus6> szal, but the official site of nvidia returns 404 ;) http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2462436&postcount=5
[11:21] <szal> Incarus6: not for 64bit
[11:21] <Incarus6> szal, I also get a 404 error for http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-280.13-driver.html
[11:22] <szal> Incarus6: no problem here, downloading as we speak
[11:23] <cher> Hi. Probably easy question. sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk tells me sun-java6-jdk could not be found. What do I need to do to make it found? I guess the repository from which this is installed is deactivated, but I don't konw how to activate it.
[11:24] <szal> !java | cher
[11:24] <Incarus6> szal, Iszal, inetresting, are you using the US server?
[11:24] <Incarus6> *interesting
[11:25] <szal> Incarus6: no idea what server that was, I used your link
[11:25] <szal> http://www.abload.de/img/20110802_firefox-dlman6od3.png <- this for proof
[11:26] <Incarus6> nice connection speed. I used the direct link, it's working for me too. But the driver info site for 280.13 is 404 for me ;)
[11:27] <cher> So in case of Kubuntu 11.04, I guess I have to do s/lucid/natty/, so that it would be sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ natty partner" right? (At least it seems to work)
[11:28] <szal> cher: no, read the factoid again
[11:29] <szal> cher: ah, my bad, yes, it's partner
[11:29] <szal> cher: no need to add it though, it's there already, you just need to enable it
[11:32] <cher> Well, then possibly I've two entries for that now, one enabled and one disabled. Now let's see what's faster right now, OpenJDK or SUN JDK.
[11:33] <cher> Oh, SUN JDK is significantly faster.
[11:33] <Incarus6> cher, I prefer Sun too
[11:35] <cher> A benchmark for which OpenJDK takes 62 seconds, SUN JDK takes 51 seconds.
[11:36] <szal> doesn't sound like that much of a difference to me
[11:37] <szal> no pkg for Sun Java 7 yet, as far as it looks
[11:39] <cher> Well, it's more than 10% for something which I run multiple times a day, so for me it makes a difference. Saves a few minutes every day.
[11:41] <cher> szal: Thank you for helpinh me getting SUN JDK running on my kubuntu!
[11:49] <cher> Is there a kind of per-user-wrapper of alternatives? I.e. what if user X wants java to be openjdk and user Y wants java to be sunjdk?
[11:52] <Incarus6> cher, as browserplugin?
[11:53] <cher> Na just from the command line, i.e. for Ant etc.. I know one could simply put the desired JDK's bin directory prior to the other directories in PATH, but this approach might not work for all software that has alternatives.
[11:55] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[11:55] <yofel> hey BluesKaj
[11:55] <Incarus6> cher, just install both
[11:55] <BluesKaj> hey yofel , Incarus6
[11:56] <yofel> Incarus6: you'll still only have one of them in your path
[11:56] <GirlyGirl> BluesKaj: hi
[11:56] <BluesKaj> hi GirlyGirl
[11:57] <cher> Incarus6: I did, but update-alternatives works on a per-system-basis, not on a per-user-basis. Or maybe there is a way to get update-alternatives to create a per-user-wrapper in ~/bin or so which I don't know of, that's what I want to find out.
[11:57] <yofel> cher: not really, alternatives are done on a dpkg basis, so system level only currently
[11:58] <yofel> you could write a script that does it on user level though I guess
[11:58] <cher> Okay, then I'll have to deal with changing PATH. No problem with that, afaik all software I'm interested in works fine with that.
[11:58] <yofel> after all it's just switching symlinks
[11:58] <cher> Yep.
[11:58] <Incarus6> cher, why don't you use the specific full path of sun and open-thing java?
[11:59] <cher> Incarus6: because I don't invoke java myself. Ant invokes java for me. I can't use the full path without tampering with Ant.
[12:00] <Incarus6> cher, you can place a script in /usr/bin instead of the java script, which regocnizes the user who is logged in and starts the correct java version
[12:01] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, Nvidias 280.13 direct download link is now working for me ;)
[12:02] <cher> Incarus6: Yes I could, and then I have to take care that update-alternatives and apt-get upgrade don't mess with it. So in theory this definitely is an option, but I think I'm not yet experienced enough with debian / ubuntu / kubuntu to do this reliably.
[12:03] <Incarus6> be right back, testing the new driver
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, glad to hear it ...which nvidia card, again ?
[12:04] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, I'm using GT 220, but it's a general driver for several cards
[12:05] <yofel> Incarus6: why are you installing it by hand again? ^^
[12:06] <Incarus6> yofel, because I'm not dependent from extra-ppas and can allways use the latest beta driver
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, the 270.41.06 still working well here , an entry level pci card 8400gs ..it's very good as an HD movie renderer.
[12:09] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, if I would want to use old, stable software I would use Debian
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, I tried the nvidia recommended driver for my card and it was seriously broken ...dunno why it's in the rec'd list
[12:10] <szal> BluesKaj: you don't have problems resizing windows w/ the 270?  I had, so I went for the 275
[12:11] <szal> BluesKaj: the 270 should be the recommended driver for that card
[12:11]  * yofel goes installing 280.13 from x-updates
[12:12] <BluesKaj> not the default kubuntu rec'd driver...no i have no windows resizibgf probs ...using dvi to hdmi to a panasonic 42 plasma tv
[12:12] <szal> BluesKaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/761575
[12:12] <szal> BluesKaj: see comment #4
[12:13] <yofel> bug  760632 is funnier
[12:13] <BluesKaj> err I am using the default recommended driver..din't mean confuse anyone.... I mean i tried the nvidia driver from their site and it broke X
[12:13] <szal> yofel: then one should be a duplicate of the other, I noticed it w/ Konsole too
[12:14] <GirlyGirl> I have the Konsole issue too
[12:15] <szal> GirlyGirl: using a newer driver helps; I use the 275 from LffL PPA (280 should be available there soon)
[12:15] <yofel> LffL?
[12:15] <yofel> and 280 is already in x-updates
[12:15] <szal> yofel: https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/nvidia
[12:16] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/
[12:16] <GirlyGirl> I know, I just used the driver from nvidia.com, problem is I have to reinstall every kernel update but I don't mind
[12:16] <yofel> bah, doesn't install right :/
[12:18] <szal> yofel: haven't heard of that yet, nice to know :)
[12:18] <szal> yofel: how doesn't it?
[12:18] <yofel> Setting up nvidia-current (280.13-0ubuntu1~natty~xup1) ...
[12:18] <yofel> update-alternatives: error: alternative link /usr/share/man/man1/nvidia-xconfig.1.gz is already managed by x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf.
[12:18] <Incarus6> :DD
[12:19] <yofel> I'm trying to install the natty driver on oneiric though, so that might have something to do with it :P
[12:19] <szal> heheh
[12:19] <yofel> nobody uploaded it to the archive yet :/
[12:19] <Incarus6> I dislike 64bit
[12:19] <szal> Incarus6: why that?
[12:19] <BluesKaj> szal, I have a few freezing probs , but it's due to my kde 4.7 stability IMO
[12:20] <BluesKaj> yofel, the 275 ?
[12:20] <yofel> no, this was 280, I'm already running 275
[12:20] <szal> the 280 for Oneiric, I guess
[12:21] <Incarus6> szal, nope, that one from nvidia.com
[12:21] <Incarus6> szal, several reasons speak against it - one main reason is the compatibility of 64bit in GNU/linux
[12:21] <szal> Incarus6: compatibility with what?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> I can't experiment with this pc for a while...wife wanted to watch a movie when X broke after an oneiric update an wasn't happy that she had to wait  for 40 mins for me to reinstall natty :)
[12:23] <Incarus6> !oneiric
[12:24] <szal> Incarus6: don't be so nazi ;)
[12:24]  * BluesKaj sticks with natty for the next coupole of months
[12:24] <Incarus6> I am sorry that I am German. :D
[12:25]  * szal is German too ^^
[12:25] <yofel> as am I, but stay polite anyway ;)
[12:26] <Incarus6> szal, mehrere sachen sprechen gegen x64, zum beispiel wieviel pakete in den repos vorhanden sind oder wie buggy der flash player ist etc. But know lets talk English. :D
[12:26]  * szal can't complain about 64bit Flash player & didn't miss anything yet, even proprietary software most of the time is available for 64bit natively
[12:28] <szal> of course if you use 32bit Flash player on 64bit, you're bound for headaches ^^
[12:30] <Incarus6> Remind me to installl 280.13 in a couple of minutes
[12:34] <BluesKaj> I havent had any issues with flash 64bit either
[12:37] <rectec794613> is the floodbot for long posts, spamming or both?
[12:38] <Pici> All of the aboev.
[12:38] <Pici> It doesn't do typos though, obviously.
[12:38] <rectec794613> hehe
[12:38]  * BluesKaj is curious about the 280 driver .. Incarus6 are you running kde 4.7 ?
[12:38] <rectec794613> so what should i do with this long question?
[12:39] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, yes, and I'm going to test it now. But I wont come back after that because I have to go ;) cya, szal and yofel
[12:40]  * szal is installing the 280 just now (KDE 4.6.5 still)
[12:40] <rectec794613> its long but it could have a simple answer, that's why i'm holding off on the forums as of yet
[12:41] <szal> yofel: same conflict, different message in Natty -> update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf because link group gl_conf is broken
[12:42] <yofel> bah, poke in #ubuntu-x
[12:42] <rectec794613> Hey guys. Hopefully this issue is small enough to handle on IRC. Anyway, I have a small network problem. If I logoff/restart x due to a freeze or glitch, and log back in, I can't connect to the internet. There's just a dot representing the Network Manager. Whenever I try to click on a network to connect, nothing happens and I have to restart to get back functionality. Is there a simple...
[12:42] <rectec794613> ...solution for this?
[12:42] <yofel> their fault ^^
[12:42] <rectec794613> huh
[12:42] <rectec794613> guess it worked
[12:42] <rectec794613> anyway there it is.
[12:43] <rectec794613> oh and sorry about the timing, yofel
[12:43] <yofel> rectec794613: that was only 1 line, floodbot triggers at 3 lines in rapid succ.
[12:43] <rectec794613> oh
[12:43] <rectec794613> lol that guy said all of the aboev
[12:44]  * BluesKaj curses network manager
[12:44] <yofel> if your post is *too* long it'll be split  over multiple lines
[12:44] <szal> restarting now, bb (hopefully ;))
[12:44] <rectec794613> cool
[12:44] <szal> depending on your IRC client, that is
[12:44] <BluesKaj> rectec794613, wifi or ethernet
[12:44] <rectec794613> wifi
[12:45] <rectec794613> i've got the dreaded realtek rt2860
[12:45] <rectec794613> or is it rt2800
[12:45] <rectec794613> anyway i had to blacklist some drivers
[12:45] <rectec794613> to get it to work right
[12:46]  * BluesKaj thinks rectec794613 should be thankful wifi works at all  ...my rt2870 is hoplessly non supported
[12:46] <rectec794613> that sucks
[12:46] <yofel> which is funny since the rt2860 is pretty well supported...
[12:47] <yofel> ~works, usually
[12:47] <rectec794613> yeah if freezing ur whole pc is part of that support
[12:47] <yofel> hm, no. I have it in my eeePC 1000H and it usually works
[12:47] <yofel> but I'm on oneiric there right now
[12:47] <rectec794613> so yeah, had problems from the start. us poor, poor realtek users
[12:47] <BluesKaj> the 2800 has to be blacklisted on most other ralinks
[12:47] <szal> seems to work as it's supposed to, everything's smooth :)
[12:48] <rectec794613> ok but whats the deal with my problem?
[12:48] <rectec794613> dont remember?
[12:49] <rectec794613> :_
[12:49] <rectec794613> ok
[12:49] <yofel> hm
[12:49] <rectec794613> my problem is: if i try to relog into the pc, i cant connect to a network
[12:49] <rectec794613> basically
[12:50] <yofel> nah, I've seen that occasionally, you could try to reload the kernel module 'sudo modprobe -r rt2800pci && sudo modprobe rt2800pci'
[12:51] <rectec794613> that might work
[12:51] <yofel> lately with kernel 3.0 which I'm running the driver works mostly fine
[12:51] <rectec794613> restarting the drivers right?
[12:51] <yofel> rectec794613: that would be restarting the driver, right
[12:52] <rectec794613> well im looking forward to kernel 3.0
[12:52] <rectec794613> or is it 3.0.1 or 3.1 now?
[12:52] <yofel> uh, not sure, the ubuntu kernel got renamed to 3.0.0 in oneiric due to script issues, but linus wants to keep 3.X
[12:53] <Dragaan> I got a few questions, if anyone thinks they can help.  Regarding Grub and a few other things.
[12:53] <rectec794613> yeah i don't blame him
[12:53] <rectec794613> the old version scheme is a bit confusing
[12:53] <rectec794613> go ahead Dragaan
[12:54] <Dragaan> ok, well I installed ubuntu the other day for the first time.  I did the easy win7 installation
[12:54] <rectec794613> wubi?
[12:55] <Dragaan> yea. I loaded it onto my D: drive (c: is boot for windows)
[12:55] <Dragaan> that went smoothly, but I decided to uninstall and try out open SuSE
[12:55] <Dragaan> I booted from the .iso I downloaded (burned to CD)
[12:55] <Dragaan> and installed it on the D drive
[12:56] <Dragaan> oh, first let me say that when I installed ubuntu with wubi, it didn't use grub
[12:56] <rectec794613> yeah
[12:56] <Dragaan> it used the windows one
[12:56] <Dragaan> ok, so when i installed open suse, it put in grub
[12:57] <Dragaan> i decided i liked kubuntu best, so i deleted the opensuse partition
[12:57] <Dragaan> formatted
[12:57] <Dragaan> then installed kubuntu again
[12:57] <Dragaan> the installation went okay, but now i have grub AND the windows OS selector
[12:57] <Dragaan> and in my kubuntu system options, it says grub is disabled
[12:57] <cher> Who needs grub... ;-)
[12:57] <Dragaan> but it's still there. with 4 options (2 kubuntus and 2 safemode kubuntus)
[12:58] <symbiotic> good day
[12:58] <Dragaan> how can i get rid of one of them?  I don't need both
[12:58] <rectec794613> hmm grub 2 deals with its menu differently than before
[12:58] <Dragaan> meanint the windows OS selector or grub
[12:58] <Dragaan> the first time i had kubuntu setup, i didnt need grub to load it
[12:59] <GirlyGirl> Dragaan: Mine groups all ubuntu kernels in old version
[12:59] <symbiotic> i have a quetion is there a good sound making program for linux?
[13:00] <rectec794613> honestly, I can't say i know how to edit the grub 2 list without looking it up first :P
[13:00] <szal> Dragaan: the Wubi installation does NOT use Grub, if you want Grub, then do a real installation
[13:00] <rectec794613> he did
[13:00] <Dragaan> im assuming grub is left over from my openSuSE install.  maybe I didn't uninstall it correctly (all I did was delete the partition)
[13:00] <Dragaan> i have grub, but i don't want it :p
[13:00] <rectec794613> what do you want?
[13:00] <szal> Dragaan: then overwrite the MBR from the Windows installation medium
[13:01] <Dragaan> well the first time i installed wubi, it didn't need grub.  the windows OS selection screen (kubunto or windows 7) was the only selection screen/program that came up.
[13:01] <Dragaan> i don't want both the windows OS selection screen AND grub (which is what i have now)
[13:01] <cher> symbiotic: What exactly do you want? Roughly speaking, there are different types of programs, like Rosegarden for Composing, different kinds of sampling software, sound effect processors, software synthesizers, trackers... Do you have a Midi Synthesizer?
[13:01] <rectec794613> windows bootloader supports linux?
[13:02] <Dragaan> szal, so boot from the win7 disk?
[13:02] <symbiotic> i have 2 pc 1 win and 1 linux for win i have fruity loops,is there a program for linux that functions the same_?
[13:02] <Dragaan> and  reset the mbr?
[13:02] <szal> Dragaan: yes
[13:02] <Dragaan> how will i get back into kubuntu?  will grub still be there?  or the windows OS selector?
[13:02] <cher> symbiotic: I don't know fruity loops, so I can't tell.
[13:02] <szal> rectec794613: the Wubi installer adds *buntu to the Windows bootloader
[13:02] <Dragaan> symbiotic, try reason
[13:02] <Dragaan> might be available for linux
[13:02] <szal> rectec794613: and for XP you can even do that by hand
[13:03] <rectec794613> yeah but I thought he installed Ubuntu through wubi, then opensuse, then kubuntu
[13:03] <Dragaan> it's more complex than fruityloops, but WAY more powerful
[13:03] <rectec794613> he would have grub then
[13:03] <Dragaan> rectec, that's correct
[13:03] <rectec794613> oh wait
[13:03] <symbiotic> thanks for your info cher!!!!!!
[13:03] <Dragaan> well, i did wubi, then opensuse, then wubi again
[13:03] <rectec794613> you dont want ubuntu wubi in the windows bootloader menu?
[13:03] <rectec794613> oh
[13:03] <rectec794613> ok
[13:04] <Dragaan> sorry if that wasnt clear
[13:04] <szal> as I suspected
[13:04] <Dragaan> so, yea, i shoudlnt need both grub AND the windows menu
[13:04] <cher> symbiotic: What info? ;-) Probably thank Dragaan instead :)
[13:04] <Dragaan> ok, so i'll try the windows boot cd thing
[13:04] <szal> in that case the Grub is a remainder of the openSUSE installation; remedy: as I said above ^^
[13:04] <rectec794613> ok
[13:04] <Dragaan> ok thanks.  I have one moer question tho
[13:05] <rectec794613> yeah do the recover startup errors program from the cd
[13:05] <Dragaan> when I first installed kubuntu, i added a few widgets that showed my cpu temperature and load etc
[13:05] <Dragaan> after a few restarts, they no longer show any info
[13:05] <Dragaan> the widget is on my toolbar but it's blank
[13:05] <symbiotic> you can have multible user interfaces programs on 1 pc if the computer can handel it!!!
[13:06] <Dragaan> what would cause those programs to stop being able to read my hardware info?
[13:06] <rectec794613> umad?
[13:06] <symbiotic> thanks dragaan!!!
[13:06] <Dragaan> np
[13:06] <cher> symbiotic: All I can tell is that I wanted to have something like OctaMED on Linux, but I couldn't find. The other programs I didn't like, so when I do music, I program the Midi interface with Java. But this is probably not what you're looking for ;-)
[13:07] <symbiotic> you can enter the bios and deactivate hardware channels!!!!!
[13:08] <rectec794613> uh
[13:08] <Dragaan> symbiotic, i just looked up reason and it only works on mac and pc.  so that won't work  :/
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Dragaan, have you considered dual booting ?
[13:09] <rectec794613> some bios's may have those settings but not everybodies
[13:09] <symbiotic> when the computer starts you get a option to enter the bios and can change the settings!!!
[13:09] <Dragaan> you mean  running linux/windows w/o using wubi?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Dragaan, yes
[13:10] <rectec794613> yeah plus a fresh installation usually fixes most problems
[13:10] <Dragaan> I have.  I used to do it years ago... I used linux over 12 years ago, but i forgot almost everything lol.  I just the other day decided to try linux out again, so I wanted to test it out for a while
[13:10] <symbiotic> good day evryone!!!!!!
[13:10] <rectec794613> except, of course, mine...
[13:10] <Dragaan> I'll probably do that eventually.  If I end up needing more than 30GB for linux
[13:10] <Dragaan> did you guys see my question above about the hardware widgets?  no one has any ideas what could have caused that?
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Dragaan, ok , that's exactly what wubi is about , to try kubuntu and familiarize oneself with it before doing a serious dual boot install
[13:11] <Dragaan> it's not a big deal.  I can live w/o them.  It's just odd that they worked fine after the installation, then a few hours later stopped showing any info
[13:12] <Dragaan> yea.  I probably will end up doing a real install soon.  Once I get enough experience so I can do a perfect installation.  I'm testing a lot of things out and being a little reckless with the wubi installation, lol
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Dragaan, do your updates/upgrades , there may be an update that fixes it
[13:14] <Dragaan> the hardware widgets?  ok, i'll try.  still confused as to why they worked perfectly then stopped tho.  I haven't really done anything in the meantime.  :/
[13:15] <Dragaan> no new updates listed :(
[13:16] <rectec794613> is there a command that restarts the sensor drivers?
[13:16] <rectec794613>  /modules
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Dragaan, open the package manager and enable other software sources , including partners
[13:17] <cher> rectec794613: Well, what's the name of the kernel module that's responsible for providing sensors information?
[13:17] <rectec794613> no idea
[13:17] <Dragaan> how do I get to that option BluesKaj?
[13:18] <Dragaan> I'm in KPackageKit.  Are you talking about a different application?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Dragaan, kmenu>apps>system>kpackagekit
[13:19] <rectec794613> what would a sensor module usually be named? we might be abled to find it with lsmod
[13:19] <rectec794613> i think he's running Ubuntu
[13:19] <rectec794613> oh
[13:19] <rectec794613> wait
[13:20] <rectec794613> hm
[13:20] <Dragaan> me?  Kubuntu 11.4
[13:20] <BluesKaj> rectec794613, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart ..might work
[13:20] <rectec794613> yeah u said u installed Ubuntu with wubu before
[13:20] <rectec794613> BluesKaj: it's ok we already got that sorted out
[13:21] <rectec794613> wubi*
[13:21] <rectec794613> i'm talking about Dragaan's problem with his hardware sensors
[13:21] <BluesKaj> rectec794613, ok good , I should have paid closer attn
[13:22] <rectec794613> its ok. u got any idea what a sensor module might be namex?
[13:22] <rectec794613> named*
[13:22] <rectec794613> or is there one in the first place?
[13:24] <rectec794613> hows it goin?
[13:25] <rectec794613> still there, Dragaan?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> !xsensors
[13:26] <Dragaan> yea, I am.  I'm really not sure what else to do.
[13:26] <Dragaan> the bubblemon seems to show info
[13:26] <BluesKaj> !info |xsensors
[13:26] <Dragaan> but the temp sensor, cpu monitor, system monitor are all blank (and they worked fine the first time i enabled them)
[13:26] <rectec794613> cant help you with KPackageKit since i dont use it
[13:27] <rectec794613> might be able to help u if u switch to Muon
[13:27] <rectec794613> which will be default starting with oneiric btw
[13:27] <Dragaan> For installing updates and other software?  I use whatever works, heh.
[13:27] <Dragaan> any way I can avoid doing the manual installations, lol.  those are confusing
[13:28] <rectec794613> not sure kde comes with a package manager (e.g. synaptic) by default
[13:28] <BluesKaj> I still keep synaptic around for application reference and it has the fix broken packages option that works sometmes
[13:28] <rectec794613> manual installations? like compiling?
[13:29] <Dragaan> well before I realized I could just use the kpackagekit program, i was trying to figure out how to get gcc installed and I had to type in some really long funky command that I got off a website
[13:29] <rectec794613> anybody know if sentelic touchpads will be supported by Touchegg?
[13:29] <Dragaan> and I'm not sure how all that works yet.  gonna be a while before I figure it out, I'm sure
[13:29] <rectec794613> oh
[13:31] <rectec794613> yeah i suggest a package manager like muon to get all the available packages
[13:31] <rectec794613> i think things like KPackageKit and Ubuntu Software Center take out the extra packages and leave just the main programs
[13:32] <Dragaan> Yea, I'll try that one out.  I wanna find all the must-have programs before I decide to do a real installation
[13:32] <Dragaan> I'm not sure if updates will fix this problem tho.... seems like a setting gone wrong
[13:32] <Dragaan> if i reinstalled kubuntu right now, i'm pertty sure they'd be working just fine
[13:33] <rectec794613> yeah i wouldnt worry about temp unless playing an intense game anyway
[13:33]  * szal never uses the graphical pkg manager frontends
[13:33] <Dragaan> well my comp is funny... if it's turned off for longer than like 10 minutes and i restart it, the cpu gets REALLY hot for a few minutes
[13:34] <Dragaan> it's like my cpu cooler waits a few min to activate
[13:34] <rectec794613> weird
[13:34] <Dragaan> gets to like 70 c and stays there. then a few minutes later, the temp plummetts really fast down to 30
[13:34] <rectec794613> unless its overheating, i wouldnt worry too much
[13:34] <Dragaan> so i use the sensor to know when im safe to start working :)
[13:34] <rectec794613> oh well that might be useful then
[13:35] <Dragaan> for now ill just boot into windows if im starting it up after some downtime. then reboot to linux.
[13:35] <Dragaan> ok well thanks guys, im off
[13:35] <Dragaan> muon is the package manager?
[13:35] <Dragaan> liek the particle
[13:35] <rectec794613> yeah
[13:35] <rectec794613> muon-installer is the main thing
[13:36] <rectec794613> like software center
[13:36] <Dragaan> ok, ill write it down.  thanks again.  gonna go fix my grub
[13:36] <Dragaan> ok
[13:36] <rectec794613> k cheers
[13:36] <rectec794613> dont have too much fun
[13:36] <BluesKaj> muon is ok ..a bit slow and clunky but it works
[13:36] <rectec794613> works fine for me, integrates better with kde than synaptic atleast
[13:37] <szal> aptitude doesn't need to integrate :P
[13:37] <rectec794613> the experimental compiz plugin "dialog dim" doesnt work well with gtk apps
[13:37] <rectec794613> so u try to use kde alternatives like muon
[13:38] <szal> who needs Compiz on KDE anyway?
[13:38] <rectec794613> i use command line whenever i know exactly what i'm tying to install, package managers when i dont
[13:38] <rectec794613> i do
[13:38] <rectec794613> well i want
[13:39] <rectec794613> more accostomed to it
[13:39] <szal> I'm pretty sure that KWin can do everything on its own that Compiz can
[13:39] <BluesKaj> szal,  there's nothing wrong with usin aackage manager, as long as it works ..the cli is fine for installing and I use it all the time , but a package manager can give descriptions of what applications can do etc , so they can be a good source of info as well
[13:39] <rectec794613> ok lets try not to have the first ever window manager war here
[13:40] <rectec794613> nor a package installation method war
[13:41] <rectec794613> bottom line: gui package manager
[13:41] <rectec794613> is good for new users and people who want discriptions
[13:42] <rectec794613> aptitude: fast but less user-friendly
[13:42] <cher> Oh I like holy wars :)
[13:42] <BluesKaj> I think some ppl get affected by the purists as if it's some kind of  badge of honour and achievement to avoid guis as much as possible
[13:42] <rectec794613> aptitude is an athiest : P
[13:43] <cher> The avoidance of GUIs has nothing to do with purism or honour.
[13:43] <cher> GUIs just suck at automation.
[13:43] <alvin> I updates to kmail2 (stable, but in experimental ppa)
[13:43] <alvin> Nothing works at all. Migrator crashes, kmail crashes.
[13:43] <rectec794613> then why is it stable?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> used aptitude for yrs when apt-get was falling behind , but apt-get is now the standard IMO
[13:44] <alvin> I don't often say it, but it's too buggy to report.
[13:44] <cher> As long as something like ARexx doesn't come up again, I claim that GUIs for everything that is not inherently interactive are a crime ;-D
[13:45] <cher> But then again, I'm someone who edits graphics files using vim.
[13:46]  * szal can get any description out of aptitude
[13:46] <rectec794613> anybody else think the bouncy ball widget is a very useful and productive tool?
[13:46] <BluesKaj> alvin, kmail went to dogs when kde4 was implemented ...it wrecked my email setup , and my ISP mails erver went with a hotmail derivative
[13:47]  * szal migrated KMail from KDE3 to KDE4 with no issues
[13:47] <BluesKaj> so i went with webmail whether I like d it ornot
[13:47] <alvin> BluesKaj: Unfortunately, I agree. The whole kontact suite was working perfectly in KDE3. I really, really like the akonadi idea, but it's buggy as hell.
[13:48]  * rectec794613 looks at aptitude
[13:48] <alvin> Nepomuk, well... as long as you can disable it, it's fine by me. Maybe I'll try it from time to time. As soon as I have a 16-core cpu and 256GB ram.
[13:48] <rectec794613> looks like synaptic and apt-get had a baby
[13:48] <BluesKaj> akondai and nepomuk are hopeless on my setup ...they're turned off ,and if you remove kmail and kontact then akonadi is basically disabled
[13:48] <szal> rectec794613: aptitude even has a ncurses frontend, if you want a box to select things from
[13:49] <cher> Well, imo KDE4 sucks a lot more than KDE3. I mean, I use KDE myself, since KDE2 or even earlier, I don't really remember. But look: I do ssh -X onto another box, there I start kontact, then I quit kontact, and before I can successfully terminate my ssh session, I first have to ps -aef and kill lots of stupid KDE processes that I never wanted to hang around. That is NOT the way UNIX is supposed to work like.
[13:49] <szal> rectec794613: you call it by starting 'aptitude' with no arguments
[13:49] <rectec794613> yes thats how i
[13:49]  * rectec794613 looked at aptitude
[13:50] <cher> All the nice stuff on the GUI and the possibilities cannot hide that the architecture of KDE sucks and is a pain in the ass of every UNIX sysadmin that has to deal with it.
[13:50] <Dragaan> ok, i have an update on my hardware sensor problem.  if you guys are still here
[13:50] <rectec794613> personally i dont think admins should use kde
[13:50] <rectec794613> i think its built more for regular users
[13:51] <cher> It's not the point whether or not the admin uses KDE as long as users use KDE and then run to the admin asking "why does my ssh session hang" etc..
[13:51] <rectec794613> however i must say, the bouncy ball is something every admin should strive for
[13:51] <alvin> That's no true guys. I AM an admin. Try gnome with XDMCP. It lost it.
[13:51] <Dragaan> they DO work.  the hardware temperature one DOES show the temp when I scroll over it (shows it in a popup).  but instead of showing the temp in numbers (like it did the first time i turned it on), it just shows this gray bar that keeps growing til it fills the widget's space then stays there
[13:52] <alvin> The biggest downside is that all these database-using technologies (Amarok, nepomuk, akonadi) are wrecking setups with NFS-mounted home
[13:52] <alvin> Then again, Ubuntu is probably the worst distro to use with NFS shares.
[13:52] <cher> Well, true, at least starting and running KDE sessions through xdmcp or ssh works reliably.
[13:52] <rectec794613> well this is completely out of my league. anyways, welcome back Dragaan
[13:53] <Dragaan> thanks.  so yea, it shows the temp when i scroll over it.  the widget's thumbnail is messed up tho... it makes no sense.  I'd like to get it back to showing the temp in numbers
[13:54] <rectec794613> i know this is a stupid question but, have you tried closing and adding the widget back?
[13:54] <cher> But still, whether admin or user, if I do ssh -X machine2 program, and program terminates, the ssh session should terminate, too. With KDE apps, that's not the case :`(
[13:56] <Dragaan> yea, several times
[13:56] <Dragaan> another sensor addon has the same thumbnail/graphic
[13:56] <Dragaan> just this gray line that slowly extends to the left.  makes no sense, lol
[13:56] <Dragaan> it extends a lil bit every 2sec (which is when i have them set to update)
[13:57] <Dragaan> i'm using muon atm to look through some packages... maybe installing it again will fix it
[13:57] <szal> Dragaan: lm-sensors
[13:57] <Dragaan> what's that ?
[13:58] <Dragaan> oh, nm.  i see it
[13:58] <szal> to my knowledge that's the backend to all programs that read sensor data
[13:58] <BluesKaj> cher when using X in ssh like dolphin for example ..after closing the app , hit the enter key to get back to the prompt ..that should stop any apps still running
[13:58] <Dragaan> it's on the list in muon.  i'll download that one.  fyi, the one i have installed atm according to muon (the one that came with the installation) is called libsensors4
[14:00] <rectec794613> yeah i got a reccomendation to install lm-sensors when i typed sensors into the terminal
[14:00] <szal> Dragaan: judging from the description, libsensors4 is the shared library that comes with lm-sensors
[14:01] <cher> BluesKaj: Good joke ;-D Reminds me of the April fools joke in the Amiga Magazin 1992, where they suggested to press several specific keys at the same time (you would need 3 hands) to unlock the secret AGA features of an ECS chipset. I don't believe in Voodoo ;-)
[14:01] <rectec794613> yeah it's like DLLs to help it run
[14:03] <BluesKaj> cher  sorry that you think it's a joke ...or am I somehow misinformed ?
[14:04] <cher> BluesKaj: I'm not talking of getting the prompt. The prompt already is there, and enter just makes readline in bash print the prompt again. But dolphin etc. all launch kdeinit4, and they don't terminate kdeinit4 if the last process that uses kdeinit4 terminates.
[14:04] <rectec794613> well i gotta get some sleep. later guys
[14:05] <cher> BluesKaj: So I do this: ssh -X zbox01 then ls then exit and the ssh session closes. I do this: ssh -X zbox01 then dolphin then quit dolphin then exit, and the ssh session stays open because of the dangling kdeinit4 processes.
[14:05] <cher> BluesKaj: So for my ssh session to terminate, I have to do ps -aef and kill all those dangling KDE processes.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> cher, how do you know the kde's are still running after you exir ?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> err exit
[14:10] <Dragaan> is it sad that one of my top reasons for wanting linux over windows is the "wobbly windows" setting in kde
[14:11] <szal> *omfg*
[14:11] <Dragaan> ok, for muon - are there any settings i should change?  i forgot who suggested it.  was it rectec?
[14:11] <cher> BluesKaj: Because when I exit, the ssh session does not close. So I don't exit and do ps -aef and see lots of KDE processes althouth the last KDE app has quit.
[14:11] <Bucky> hi all. i have two issues with kde's panel. First: how do i add a place launcher (e.g. home launcher) to the panel? Second: how do i create empty space between items in the panel? thanks
[14:12] <Dragaan> there's an "add space" setting i believe
[14:13] <Dragaan> "add spacer" in the panel toolbox
[14:13] <Dragaan> next to add widgets.  if that's what you're talking about
[14:15] <Bucky> Dragaan: yes, it was that. i thought they meant the vertical bar with spacer.
[14:17] <Bucky> do you know regarding the home launcher, too?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> cher, so you're saying the enter key doesn't stop any lower level kde processes ...odd because the enter key is what most tutorials advise.
[14:19] <Dragaan> not sure what you mean by a place/home launcher
[14:19] <cher> BluesKaj: That's definitely voodoo and not real :)
[14:19] <BluesKaj> voodoo, cher ?
[14:19] <cher> Means people say it works but it doesn't.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> cher, so what are the consequences ?
[14:20] <Bucky> i mean a shortcut to \home folder placed in the panel
[14:20] <cher> As I described, I have to kill processes manually.
[14:21] <Dragaan> is there no widget for that?  i thought i saw one while scrolling through them.
[14:22] <Dragaan> "quick access" widget should do it
[14:22] <Dragaan> i'm pretty new to all this, but can't you just drag+drop the folder down onto the panel from dolphin
[14:23] <Bucky> perfect. to be honest i meant something that immediately opens dolphin, but that's ok too
[14:23] <Bucky> thank you Dragaan! bye
[14:23] <Dragaan> you can probably drag dolphin's icon
[14:23] <Dragaan> to teh panel
[14:24] <Bucky> it's true! i was trying to do it with the panel locked, so it didn't worked
[14:24] <Dragaan> my sensors must be messed up... and I did install lm-sensors.  the cpu monitor shows a % but it never changes.  Just realized that.  It always shows 27%.  :(
[14:27] <szal> Dragaan: CPU load has nothing to do w/ sensors
[14:29] <Dragaan> oh, it gets that info from the os?
[14:30] <Dragaan> oh well, im just gonna give up on these for now.  not must-have apps. thanks
[14:31] <GirlyGirl> sometimes its the cpu load viewing app that uses more cpu!
[14:54] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, back. 280.13 is working ;)
[14:59] <BluesKaj>  Incarus6 , are there any benefits over the default nvidia 270 ?
[15:02] <guest> Greets, everyone...
[15:02] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, some things renders faster in my oppinion, but that could be imagined too
[15:03] <guest> Am I missing something, or is the launcher support in Task Manager (and by extension, Smooth Tasks) broken to the point of being completely useless?
[15:04] <Incarus6> guest, ehm, that Ctrl+Esc taskmanager?
[15:05] <guest> Incarus6: No, the plasmoid ("taskbar"). Sorry for not clarifying.
[15:09] <Incarus6> guest, it is working perfectly for me. Have you upgraded to KDE 4.7?
[15:11] <alvin> BluesKaj: Is nvidia 270 the default in natty? Then yes, all newer versions will avoid the konsole resize crash
[15:12] <guest> Incarus6: Yep. And to be sure, I nuked the home directory on this account to test; still no joy.
[15:12] <Incarus6> !screenshot | guest, can you make a screenshot?
[15:14] <guest> Incarus6: Well, not really. It's the functionality that's nonexistent (on my system, at least); no graphical glitches or anything like that. For example...
[15:14] <Incarus6> so can you explain the exact issue, guest?
[15:17] <guest> Incarus6: Right-clicking on a running program and checking "Show a launcher for <program> when it is not running" has no effect (i.e., no launcher is shown for the program after closing it) (even though, oddly enough the box is still checked for that program after closing and re-opening it)...
[15:18] <xzhx> 有人吗？
[15:18] <Incarus6> guest, you can fill a bug report on https://bugs.kde.org to get it fixed until the next version or you could ask in #kde they could know more about that
[15:19] <Incarus6> !zh | xzhx
[15:21] <guest> Incarus6: Also, if I drag and drop a launcher onto the task manager, it disappears after I close the program it's for...
[15:24] <guest> Incarus6: Thanks... I was just curious; I thought I read somewhere that launcher support was supposed to be majorly improved in 4.7 (I experienced similar issues in 4.6 and I'm pretty sure the bugs were already reported).
[15:25] <guest> brb, checking something...
[15:29] <Incarus6> guest, are yoou using the 'default'-panel, so the prevonfigured panel with all the things like clock and kde-menu..?
[15:29]  * BluesKaj joins the nvidia 280.13 club
[15:30] <guest> Ok, so re-starting plasma-desktop causes the launchers to finally show up. And then, after closing their respective programs, they're gone again until the next time Plasma starts.
[15:31] <Incarus6> guest, those launchers aren't working for me either, it should be a known bug if someone reported it, one sec.
[15:31] <guest> Incarus6: Yeah, I left _everything_ at default settings (like I said, I started with a completely clean home directory on this account just to be sure).
[15:32] <Incarus6> one possible workaround here is that you create a new clean panel and add all those plasmoids manually - that _could_ fix the launcher issue
[15:34] <guest> Incarus6: Nope; on my main profile, the panel I initially had the problem on was clean.
[15:38] <guest> Honestly, I think I just came in here to vent my disappointment with 4.7... It's supposed to be a feature release, yet the two features I was hearing the most buzz about months ago (launcher support in task managers and the ability to set a program to always start in a certain activity) appear to be MIA.
[15:39] <Peace-> 4.7 rocks here.
[15:39] <Peace-> packagers no
[15:39] <Peace-> xD
[15:39] <Peace-> i have a lots of problem with some widget...
[15:40] <Peace-> but after that ... the other stuff work properly
[15:41] <Incarus6> guest, see https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279181
[15:41] <guest> Peace-: What big improvements have you noticed in 4.7? I'd love to be pointed in the direction of some redeeming qualities. ;-)
[15:43] <Incarus6> guest, if you have additional information - please add
[15:43] <guest> Incarus6: Thanks, will do...
[15:44] <BluesKaj> yeah kde 4.7 kicker is disappointing , when choosing apps , there's no blue column that gives the option to select another group in the menu
[15:44] <guest> (I *do* file bug reports, for the record ;)
[15:45] <guest> BluesKaj: 110% agreed. I'm sure KDE's UI designers are familiar with Fitt's Law; not sure why they decided to completely abandon it in that instance.
[15:45] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, you have to click on the category names under the search
[15:45] <guest> Incarus6: right, which is a much harder target than the left edge of the screen
[15:45] <guest> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts_law
[15:46] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, got it , "all applications " ..it was greyed out before , now it seems to work , thanks :)
[15:46] <Incarus6> guest, I agree but I'm never using those category menus. It seems to be a feature which could be reverted soon. It's not obvious for new user where they could change the menu category
[15:47] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, yes. if you would read the changelog or at least look at the new-features-pictures you would know it :D
[15:48] <ematos815> hi
[15:48] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, I'm lazy ... I justa sk in here  :)
[15:48] <guest> yeah, i launch pretty much everything via krunner or panel icons... i do like to browse through the programs in kickoff from time to time though.
[15:49] <ematos815> i like to know if anybody know how to download itunes
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, the 280 driver seems fine so far , btw
[15:49] <Incarus6> .______. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/4902774615_1dfe849113.jpg
[15:49] <guest> lancelot would be great if it gave the option to show applications by name. for all the options it has, i don't get why it's lacking one that kickoff has.
[15:51] <Incarus6> guest, it really slows down my computer (and I'm using a quad-core). Xorg consumpts more than 20% CPU when I activate lancelot. That's almost 100% on one CPU core
[15:51] <guest> Incarus6: are you using the default plasma theme (air)?
[15:52] <Incarus6> guest, nope, it was a random image. I'm using oxygen-air as window theme and glassified as plasma theme
[15:53] <guest> Incarus6: did you try just disabling blur altogether?
[15:54] <Incarus6> guest, no, because just lancelot isn't working properly and I'm not using that, so I don't care ;)
[15:58] <guest> xorg's cpu usage goes to ~11% for about a second when opening lancelot here (on an old 2.13GHz C2D), ~7% with blur turned off (same as kickoff)
[16:00] <guest> jesus christ... no more keyboard navigation in kickoff???
[16:01] <Incarus6> working for me
[16:02] <guest> in the Applications tab?
[16:04] <guest> ah, nice - the new lancelot does show programs by name now (except favorites).
[16:06] <Incarus6> guest, no, just in the general menu. I have to go, bye ;)
[16:06] <guest> i'm out too. good chatting, BluesKaj. peace.
[16:21] <maggo> moin
[16:22] <maggo> jemand da
[16:22] <matti__> how can i install flash in 64-bit kubuntu?
[16:23] <szal> !flash | matti__
[16:23] <BluesKaj> matti__, install , kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:25] <BluesKaj> gawd , who uses gnash anymore ?
[16:26] <matti__> it is write that i have to update flash software
[16:31] <BluesKaj> matti__, in some setups you may need this : sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[16:33] <matti__> BluesKaj: i have it installed
[16:33] <mahesh> hi
[16:33] <mahesh> newbee in ubuntu
[16:45] <matti__> i found something what i trying
[16:45] <EagleScreen> hello
[16:46] <matti__> BluesKaj: http://www.fragles.eu/2011/07/14/adobe-flash-player-11-ubuntu-11-04-64bit/
[16:48] <EagleScreen> I have a small issue, on KDM the user image of the rest of users is well showed, but mine is not showed
[16:56] <Daskreech> hi EagleScreen
[16:58] <EagleScreen> the difference I think is that my user is previous to KDE 4.7.0 upgrade, and the other users have been created after
[17:11] <Daskreech> EagleScreen: Reassign the icon?
[17:13] <EagleScreen> Daskreech: I have set it after upgrade
[17:15] <Daskreech> It's the default user?
[17:15] <cher> I have installed Kubuntu on an SSD. I've used ext4 with noatime. I did not configure a swap partition as I have 8 GB RAM. Is this a good setup, or should I choose a different FS?
[17:15] <Daskreech> Well that's moot it shows the last logged out user as the default
[17:18] <GirlyGirl> cher: Hibernate does not work without swap
[17:19] <cher> GirlyGirl: Oh thanks that is good to know!
[17:19] <GirlyGirl> cher: I just learnt that, someone told me on #ubuntu-fr
[17:20] <EagleScreen> Daskreech: not sure if it is the defaut user
[17:20] <cher> I guess it is required for suspend to disk.
[17:20] <Daskreech> cher: it's where the RAM is dumped
[17:21] <GirlyGirl> cher: but you can use a swap file instead
[17:21] <cher> I don't need hibernate on these machines. But it's good to know because my next machine will actually get hibernate.
[17:22] <EagleScreen> it might be the default user, but I am affected by Bug LP: #793792
[17:23] <EagleScreen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/user-setup/+bug/793792
[17:24] <yofel> cher: ext4 is ok for SSDs, if anything add the discard option to enable TRIM
[17:28] <cher> yofel: I guess discard sends trim so that sectors no longer in use can be erased asynchronously by the SSD, right?
[17:28] <yofel> right
[17:36] <cher> What do you think of 12.7 W idle power consumption?
[17:38] <Daskreech> EagleScreen: policykit bug?
[17:39] <EagleScreen> Daskreech: yes, but I dont see what relation may be between that bug and my user image issue
[18:41] <BluesKaj> getting some strange behaviour with scp -r copying a folder to another linux machine on our network ...it's copying the whole /home/user directory rather than /home/user/folder that I want to copy
[18:42] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: what is the command?
[18:44] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, scp -r ~/Pictures/folder kaj@192.168.x.x: /home/user
[18:46] <Daskreech> BluesKaj: scp -r ~/Pictures/folder/ doesn't work?
[18:47] <BluesKaj> odd, because that command worked great previously..suddenly it's trying copy my whole home directory instead of a folder in the directory
[18:56] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: was the space after the ':' a typo, or part of the command you typed?
[18:58] <yofel> the : looks right, the space after it not
[19:03] <BluesKaj> no space after the colon ?
[19:04] <tsimpson> BluesKaj: in the "kaj@192.168.x.x: /home/user" part, the space is bad
[19:05] <BluesKaj> yofel, ahh..ok now I see , space afer the IP is the problem
[19:05] <BluesKaj> tsimpson, yeah , the command works properly now
[19:08] <BluesKaj> ok , errands to do ...BBL
[19:51] <kiki__> is anyone talking ??
[19:51] <kiki__> it looks like I'm alone here
[19:52] <BluesKaj> kiki__, ask your question
[19:52] <kiki__> is that how it works ??
[19:52] <BluesKaj> yes
[19:52] <kiki__> ok
[19:52] <kiki__> I have no question
[19:52] <kiki__> for now
[19:53] <GirlyGirl_> yes
[19:53] <BluesKaj> there's #kubuntu-offtopic for regular chatting
[19:54] <kiki__> thx
[19:54] <kiki__> going there
[19:54] <BluesKaj> kiki__, this is ubuntu support
[19:54] <kiki__> :)
[19:54] <BluesKaj> kubuntu support actually :)
[20:00] <kiki__> what is differences between kubuntu and ubuntu ??
[20:00] <kiki__> s**
[20:00] <kiki__> what is kubunty anyway
[20:00] <tsimpson> !kubuntu
[20:00] <kiki__> u*ok
[20:00] <kiki__> ok
[20:00] <kiki__> get it
[20:01] <kiki__> which one you have ??
[20:01] <kiki__> which one is better
[20:02] <kiki__> I mean, which one you have installed
[20:02] <tsimpson> most people in #kubuntu will have Kubuntu
[20:02] <kiki__> what is wrong with Gnome ?
[20:02] <kiki__> I have that one
[20:02] <tsimpson> different people like different things, it preference
[20:03] <kiki__> just GUI
[20:03] <kiki__> or more than that
[20:03] <tsimpson> the only difference between "regular" Ubuntu and Kubuntu is the GUI
[20:04] <kiki__> then I assume Kubuntu needs more RAM
[20:04] <tsimpson> you assume incorrectly
[20:04] <kiki__> just a guess
[20:04] <kiki__> if it has better GUI
[20:04] <kiki__> then logically
[20:04] <tsimpson> no
[20:04] <kiki__> more RAM
[20:05] <kiki__> I installed KDE once
[20:05] <kiki__> and didn't like it
[20:06] <kiki__> really
[20:06] <BluesKaj> !enter
[20:06] <kiki__> ok
[20:06] <tsimpson> kiki__: you've been told where the offtopic chat goes, or there is #ubuntu-offtopic if you want a more active room
[20:50] <systemclient> does a nvidia 9500 GT work with 3D and all KWin (incl. wobble and cube)?
[21:05] <draik> Has anyone come into an issue in which the display size is a little bigger than the monitor size?
[21:06] <Daskreech> systemclient: Should its' old enough to be covered by Free drivers
[21:06] <Daskreech> draik: Not in quite a number of years
[21:08] <systemclient> Daskreech: I have no idea
[21:09] <draik> Daskreech: The display is slightly bigger than my TV. It's about the size of a window border in 1280x1024 resolution.
[21:09] <Daskreech> systemclient: Sorry that was should be.
[21:10] <Daskreech> It's old enough to be covered by free drivers in the kernel
[21:11] <systemclient> Daskreech: Debian Stable (Kernel 2.6.32) does not seem to carry it
[21:11] <systemclient> but I guess the 3.0 in Kubuntu should do?
[21:11] <Daskreech> ah probably
[21:11] <Daskreech> Debian is quite against blobs in the kernel
[21:11] <systemclient> I started using debian today and I already dislike it …
[21:12] <systemclient> because they are do dogmatic and strict
[21:12] <systemclient> ubuntu seemed a little more real-life oriented
[21:17] <Daskreech> systemclient: Dogmatic and strict work. So does Real current life choose whichever you like :)
[21:19] <systemclient> Daskreech: well, in Kubuntu I can just install the nvidia driver and be done with. In debian, I am currently working with some wiki article
[21:20] <LINKSWORD2> Daskreech: What kind of trouble are you causing now?
[21:20] <Daskreech> systemclient: That's by design on both sides.
[21:21] <Daskreech> LINKSWORD2: HOld on let me check my list
[21:21] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[21:26] <newfla> eiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[21:26] <newfla> c'è qualche italiano?
[21:27] <newfla> hi
[21:29] <LINKSWORD2> !languages
[21:30] <LINKSWORD2> !ubottu newfla | it
[21:30] <newfla> yes
[21:30] <LINKSWORD2> !newfla | it
[21:30] <newfla> i'm italian
[21:31] <Unit193> !it | LINKSWORD2 failed
[21:31] <newfla> thanks
[21:31]  * LINKSWORD2 hitting self over head.
[21:31]  * LINKSWORD2 reaches out and hits Unit193 for not telling me how....
[21:32] <LINKSWORD2> Hey, DarkwingDuck?
[21:35] <DarkwingDuck> Hey LINKSWORD2?
[21:36] <LINKSWORD2> :) Sup?
[21:37] <LINKSWORD2> DarkwingDuck: May I query? I have a specific question.
[21:38] <DarkwingDuck> LINKSWORD2: Sure
[21:42] <systemclient> well, nvidia now works good with Debian Stable now, just to let you know
[22:05] <shane2peru> ok, quick question, when I try to ssh into my  computer from my laptop on the same network, I get port 22 refused, I don't think I have a firewall setup, but apparently something is blocking port 22??  Any ideas?
[22:10] <gomiboy> shane2peru: that address replies to ping? sshd is running (ps ax | grep sshd)? also check the firewall: sudo iptables -L
[22:11] <shane2peru> 13302 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep sshd
[22:12] <shane2peru> gomiboy: ^^  that is ps ax | grep sshd, so appears it is running
[22:12] <gomiboy> shane2peru: no, that's your grep command :P
[22:12] <shane2peru> iptables seems pretty empty, Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination, same for Chain Forward, and chain output
[22:12] <shane2peru> ohh,
[22:13] <shane2peru> right, I see that now, so it isn't even runnin
[22:14] <shane2peru> gomiboy: I was missing openssh-server I installed the client
[22:14] <shane2peru> thanks!!! gomiboy
[22:14] <gomiboy> np :)
[22:21] <lsv> is it normal if iwconfig shows wifi0 and wlan0 but I only have one wireless card?
[23:03] <paul__> hi all
[23:03] <paul__> someone online ?
[23:05] <paul__> someone can help me ?
[23:08] <cher> I have a problem with WLAN on my kubuntu box. I tried to configure WLAN to start at bootup. But this fails. If I connect through RJ-45, then do ifdown wlan0 ifup wlan0 it works. Syslog contains entries like "wpa_supplicant[948]: Failed to initiate AP scan." But the AP definitely is not the cause of failure.
[23:09] <cher> is this a known problem?
[23:43] <Bsims> My most recent apt-get update wants to remove kdebase... WHY?
[23:45] <Bsims> astraljava: well its apt-get dist-update to get the ones held back
[23:52] <Bsims> http://paste.ubuntu.com/657553/ for the info