[11:25] <jmburgess> Bug 565543 can be marked as triaged I think. Importance medium
[11:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 565543 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Alps touchpad detected as ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse(in VAIO E series) after the kernel upgrade (affects: 68) (dups: 1) (heat: 404)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565543
[11:41] <micahg> jmburgess1: have you read the kernel triage procedures?
[14:40] <evfool> where should a bug for archive.ubuntu.com be reported?
[14:40] <Pici> What sort of bug?
[14:49] <xteejx> Hey guys, anoyone around?
[14:52] <evfool> Pici: a 404 not found for a link from changelogs.ubuntu.com
[14:52] <evfool> Pici : http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/DevelReleaseAnnouncement.html
[14:52] <micahg> evfool: there's usually a delay between the time something is uploaded and when it hits there
[14:53] <evfool> micahg: it's about a devel release announcement, so it's not that important
[14:54] <micahg> evfool: idk, maybe ask mvo
[14:56] <evfool> jibel: could you take a look at bug 775668, and check which solution you
[14:56] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 775668 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Release link on check-new-release-gtk dialog, points to the raw content of a wiki page (affects: 1) (heat: 39)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775668
[14:56] <evfool> jibel would prefer
[14:57] <htorque> hello everyone! should apport pop up for every .crash file in /var/crash? it doesn't for me. :(
[15:01] <xteejx> I know I should ask this in ubuntu+1, but no-one there,and besides this is my main room ;) BUT....I'm running Oneiric as an install. How do I get round the partial upgrade thing? I want to check all conflicts first though. HELP!
[15:02] <xteejx> Should I install aptitude?
[15:02] <hggdh> xteejx: run from the command-line, for example: apt-get dist-upgrade -- do *not* reply Y, but look at the resolution proposed
[15:03] <xteejx> hggdh: That's the one....stupid me :)
[15:03] <hggdh> or, if you want to play safe (no packages removed) run apt-get upgrade
[15:03] <xteejx> Cheers mate
[15:03] <hggdh> cheers
[15:04] <hggdh> htorque: apport will pop up if it is active, and if the crash (1) has not yet been processed; (2) has not reached the maximum reports
[15:05] <xteejx> hmmmm 127 upgrades, 110 new installs, 9 to remove; evince evolution-exchange indicator-me kdebase-runtime-data <<<WTF libbrasero-media libindicator3 plasma-scriptengine-declarative <again WTF python-gnomecanvas ubuntu-desktop  ...... how does that sound?
[15:05] <mvo> jibel, evfool: I check #775668 out next
[15:05] <htorque> hggdh: ah, so it simply could have been reported tons of times already? great, thanks!
[15:06] <xteejx> I definitely don't see why ubuntu-desktop would be removed though....
[15:06] <hggdh> htorque: reported from *your* machine
[15:06] <htorque> hggdh: oh, that's not the case then :(
[15:06] <hggdh> xteejx: if you do not use kde, no biggie ;-)
[15:07] <xteejx> htorque: If you're running a stable Ubuntu version, apport won't kick in unless you've changed a certain option...if you haven't done that, that'll be why it doesn't kick in
[15:07] <hggdh> xteejx: this means there are packages in flux, and some of them are requiring newer versions than what is currently available
[15:08] <xteejx> hggdh: So just go ahead with it and write down the ones removed and try installing them again at a later date?
[15:08] <htorque> hggdh: no, i'm on +1. for instance, i cleaned the /var/crash directory yesterday and today there are new .crash files (thing i definitely haven't reported) but apport didn't show up at all
[15:08] <htorque> *things
[15:08] <hggdh> htorque: open nautilus, and click on the crash reports if you want to report them
[15:09] <xteejx> are .crash files handled by apport? I think you have to do it manually
[15:09] <hggdh> xteejx: I would be very, *very* cautious...
[15:09] <xteejx> ahh ^^
[15:09] <xteejx> hggdh: I think it may be the gtk3 transition
[15:10] <xteejx> I'll try it...we're in A3 now should have settled enough to be stable
[15:10] <hggdh> xteejx: usually when that happened with me I would either do a apt-get upgrade, or manually select the packages that could be upgraded sanely (or run update-manager)
[15:10] <hggdh> xteejx: caveat emptor. You have been warned ;-)
[15:10] <htorque> hggdh: i know how to report them, but if i don't know what caused them, they are not that useful. ;-) the apport pop-up i usually got with earlier +1 versions was a big help in determining a test case to reproduce the bug.
[15:10] <xteejx> hggdh: Same, but update-manager doesn't want to know, and I'm pretty much Natty.025 at the mo lol
[15:11] <xteejx> hggdh: no prob :P If I blow up my PC I'm coming to find you haha :D
[15:11] <hggdh> LOL
[15:11]  * hggdh has just returned to Natty...
[15:11] <micahg> xteejx: Caribe Royal, Orlando, Oct 31 :)
[15:11] <xteejx> micahg: Lmao, trust you to be an instigator :D
[15:12] <xteejx> UDS I assume?
[15:12] <xteejx> I will go one one day....don't think I'd bring much to the table (if anything), but would be good to see how it goes
[15:13] <micahg> xteejx: yes :)
[15:13] <hggdh> xteejx: I am about 5'8'', around 180 pounds, blue eyes, wear a kippa
[15:13] <hggdh> :->
[15:13] <xteejx> haha
[15:13] <micahg> lol
[15:13] <xteejx> Whats a kippa? A fish?
[15:14] <hggdh> oh boy... a skullcap
[15:14] <xteejx> head bandana thing?
[15:14]  * hggdh tries to visualise someone wearing a fish on the top of their head
[15:15] <charlie-tca> no, a small brimmed floppy hat like thing
[15:15] <xteejx> Have you not seen american Dad? hehe
[15:15] <paultag> I love skullcaps
[15:15] <charlie-tca> easily recognized as the only person with that particular hat
[15:15] <xteejx> Now I'm thinking farmer type straw hats....
[15:15] <paultag> charlie-tca: are you talking about a beanie?
[15:16] <charlie-tca> nope
[15:16] <hggdh> a.k.a. yarmulke. xteejx -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kippah
[15:16] <xteejx> Right so a guy with some hat I've never heard of...should be easy to spot :D
[15:16] <paultag> with the little brim on it?
[15:16] <charlie-tca> At least I have never seen a beanie with a brim
[15:16] <paultag> skullcaps don't have brims
[15:16] <xteejx> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:17] <xteejx> hggdh: I get it now :)
[15:17] <charlie-tca> lol
[15:17] <charlie-tca> That doesn't look like the one I remember.
[15:17] <xteejx> I didn't know they had a particular name, I called them Jewish prayer hat things
[15:17] <xteejx> Please dont take offense btw!!!
[15:17] <paultag> charlie-tca: this is a beanie http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Teepe4zvlDM/TOlHSxRKSLI/AAAAAAAAAic/qCMkf685pYE/s400/1719-large1.jpg
[15:18] <paultag> charlie-tca: and this is a skullcap - http://www.tuques.com/images/skull_cap.jpg
[15:18] <xteejx> So why "skullcap" then?
[15:18] <paultag> last I checked :)
[15:18] <hggdh> no offense taken, xteejx
[15:18] <paultag> sorry for cruddy google pics, had to do a search
[15:18] <hggdh> xteejx: because it caps the skull? I really do not know, only in the US I heard it
[15:19]  * charlie-tca must be losing his mind. None of those look right
[15:19] <paultag> charlie-tca: are you in the USA?
[15:19] <paultag> I forget
[15:19] <paultag> charlie-tca: long time no see, also :)
[15:19] <charlie-tca> yes, Idaho
[15:19] <paultag> oh, right right
[15:19] <hggdh> charlie-tca: no, you are not losing your mind. kippahs tend to be, ah, hand-made
[15:20] <hggdh> and many colours
[15:20] <hggdh> (depending on the wearer)
[15:20] <htorque> hggdh: good, my last question: do you think i should report a bug against apport? it is running but not popping up and windows on new crashes.
[15:21] <htorque> *any
[15:22] <hggdh> htorque: remove all current crashes, and force a new one
[15:22] <hggdh> htorque: after making sure apport is indeed active
[15:22] <htorque> that's what i did last night
[15:23] <htorque> 'sudo status apport' reports 'apport start/running'
[15:25] <hggdh> interesting
[15:26] <xteejx> Whew
[15:26] <hggdh> htorque: look at /etc/apport/blacklist.d, see what is in there (do not change blindly)
[15:26] <xteejx> VERY nearly lost the system there, but it's ok
[15:27] <hggdh> xteejx: you may only find out after logging out/in, or rebooting...
[15:27] <htorque> hggdh: nope, not in there (those were compiz, unity-2d-places, libunity(-misc? i forgot) crashes)
[15:27] <xteejx> hggdh:  Have done, it seems relatively stable
[15:27] <hggdh> htorque: and you are running a full up-to-date oneiric?
[15:28] <htorque> yup
[15:28] <xteejx> hggdh: Would you mind copy and pasting my apt output line about 10 mins ago please? I forgot to take a note of it
[15:28] <hggdh> xteejx: 9 to remove; evince evolution-exchange indicator-me kdebase-runtime-data <<<WTF libbrasero-media libindicator3 plasma-scriptengine-declarative <again WTF python-gnomecanvas ubuntu-desktop
[15:29] <xteejx> hggdh: Brilliant! Thank you :)
[15:31] <xteejx> Can anyone go to UDS? Just wondered
[15:34] <micahg> xteejx: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/
[15:35] <xteejx> micahg: Oh cool
[15:36] <xteejx> I may need to renew my passport after all ;)
[15:37] <xteejx> linux in general, and Ubuntu in particular needs a rollercoaster simulator of some sort :(
[15:43] <htorque> hggdh: i found a way to trigger a compiz crash, apport didn't do anything (except collecting the data). am i good to go reporting this against apport? (sorry for repeatedly bugging you ;))
[15:44] <hggdh> htorque: it should have driven apport, yes. But I am out of Oneiric right now, and do not know what goes with apport there
[15:45] <xteejx> I haven't had any problems with apport. In fact I had a crash about 10 minutes ago and apport caught and filed it correctly
[15:45] <xteejx> In Oneiric btw
[15:49] <htorque> xteejx: thanks, good to know
[15:52] <xteejx> hggdh: No prob :)
[15:56] <jmburgess> micahg: still there? Sry I had to step out. Yes I did read the kernel triage procedures and followed them. It has been tested on the latest as well as mainline and been forwarded upstream
[15:58] <micahg> jmburgess: k, just wanted to make sure you saw they have a different procedure
[15:59] <jmburgess> micahg: no problem. I understand its all very diff
[17:03] <om26er> seb128, Hi!
[17:04] <om26er> appmenu-gtk is not on the cd so gtk2 applications don't export their menus to the unity menubar e.g. shotwell
[17:04] <om26er> appmenu-gtk3 is installed though
[17:05] <seb128> om26er, thanks
[17:05] <seb128> hey ;-)
[17:06] <seb128> I'm wondering why
[17:07] <seb128> oh
[17:07] <om26er> something to do with the seed ? seb128
[17:07] <seb128> no, those are not seeded
[17:08] <om26er> aha so they go in through recommends i guess
[17:09] <seb128> yes
[17:09] <seb128> indicator-appmenu should recommend it
[17:12] <jmburgess> In the apport info is there a way to find out which packages are installed?
[17:14] <seb128> jmburgess, only depends
[17:14] <seb128> which are in the Dependencies textfile
[17:14] <hggdh> jmburgess: you will find the depends of the failing packages
[17:16] <hggdh> jmburgess: to find out all installed packages, run 'dpkg --get-selections'
[17:18] <jmburgess> Thanks guys
[17:19] <jmburgess> hggdh, I know about that. The reason I ask is because I was working on bug 818897 and he just mentioned when he unistalled virtualbox, suspend would work so this is a dup of bug 814323. Just making sure I didn't miss anything in the apport info
[17:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 818897 in linux (Ubuntu) "System doesn't suspend to RAM (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/818897
[17:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 814323 in virtualbox (Ubuntu) "Virtualbox 4.1 (vboxdrv) Blocks Machine Suspend (affects: 8) (dups: 1) (heat: 52)" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814323
[17:20] <jmburgess> I should have checked procmodules for vboxdrv
[17:24] <cprofitt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/776999
[17:24] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 776999 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Lenovo W520] laptop freezes on ACPI-related actions (affects: 18) (dups: 1) (heat: 93)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:24] <cprofitt> would like to help move this from confirmed to triaged... but do not have a ton of experience with ACPI issues
[17:46] <bdmurray> pedro_: perhaps lightdm could use an apport package hook?
[17:47] <seb128> it should probably copy what gdm is doing
[17:47] <seb128> i.e adding the xorg config
[17:47] <seb128> or logs
[17:58] <pedro_> bdmurray, hello, yeah, will write one for it
[17:59] <pedro_> based on the same gdm is doing
[18:03] <bdmurray> pedro_: cool
[22:21] <bdmurray> Those Problem with MergeList apt bugs were when behind a proxy right?
[22:21] <bdmurray> Anybody remember the master bug?
[22:43] <bdmurray> answering my question its bug 346386
[22:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 346386 in apt (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "[MASTER] Update fails with invalid package files with "Encountered a section with no Package: header" (affects: 234) (dups: 179) (heat: 1362)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/346386