[00:00] <JanC> zoopster: you have some experience with them?
[00:00] <zoopster> not with using them. in a sysadmin fashion, no
[00:13] <lifeless> sidnei: yes
[00:14] <lifeless> sidnei: https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/LXC
[00:23] <lifeless> sidnei: did you see my reply ?
[00:23] <sidnei> lifeless, no, but i figured it out. i forgot to create the target directory for the mount.
[00:24] <sidnei> the error i got was complete nonsense. :/
[00:25] <lifeless> sidnei: shouldnt be needed with bind mount
[00:25] <lifeless> *shrug*
[00:25] <lifeless> sidnei: anyhow with oneiric its just -b sidnei to lxc-create :)
[00:26] <sidnei> lifeless, i was trying to mount /src in the host as /src in the container.
[00:26] <sidnei> lifeless, it's where i keep all my checkouts.
[00:26] <sidnei> lifeless, and /src didn't exist in /var/lib/lxc/<container>/rootfs/src
[00:26] <sidnei> lifeless, so lxc-start failed in obscure ways
[02:13] <zul> RoAkSoAx_: you can do usb power on the pandaboard fyi
[02:16] <Martyn> sort of
[02:16] <Martyn> it needs slightly more than USB is designed to give to run
[02:16] <zul> looks fine to me
[02:18] <Martyn> so you can run the CPU, but when you have to power the USB network device at the same time you'll brown out the CPU slightly
[02:18] <Martyn> If you are using the WiFi, you'll be fine (but only just)
[02:19] <Martyn> USB can provide about ~80% of the power the board needs
[02:21] <Pilif12p> Why would my server be showing just $ when I ssh in, not tanner@server~$ or whatever
[02:23] <twb> Pilif12p: because /bin/sh is your login shell
[02:24] <twb> Pilif12p: I would guess because you are creating users with (say) webmin instead of adduser.
[02:24] <Pilif12p> no, i did "useradd tanner"
[02:24] <twb> Do not use useradd
[02:24] <Pilif12p> What shall I use instead?
[02:25] <twb> adduser
[02:26] <twb> useradd is a low-level command invoked by adduser
[02:26] <Pilif12p> oh
[02:31] <octillion> I don't see anything wrong with using useradd.  If you want to change the default shell, just use the -s option
[02:31] <octillion> or use usermod to change the shell after the fact
[02:33] <octillion> Pilif12p, do "sudo usermod -s /bin/bash tanner" to change the default shell for tanner to bash
[02:33] <Pilif12p> urgh, i can't delete users now
[02:34] <Pilif12p> meh. fixed it
[02:34] <Pilif12p> thanks octanium
[02:34] <Pilif12p> and octillion
[02:34] <twb> octillion: yes, but presumably he's enough of a newbie that adduser's hand-holding is beneficial
[02:34] <twb> You're right that I should've mentioned chsh (or usermod -s), though.
[02:34] <octillion> twb, fair enough, though reading through the man page for useradd shouldn't be too difficult
[02:35] <twb> octillion: if he could read a damn manpage he wouldn't have asked us :-/
[02:53] <RoAkSoAx_> zul: cool!! no power supply then
[02:54] <RoAkSoAx_> zul: what type of cable ar eyou using?
[02:56] <philipballew> how do i find all open ports on an ip address
[03:00] <philipballew> need to scan my remote server
[03:03] <qman__> philipballew, nmap, but be forewarned, using this tool wrong over the net can be illegal
[03:03] <qman__> so make sure you RTFM and know exactly what you're doing
[03:06] <philipballew> for sure. qman__  its just my friends server i am troubleshooting for him. doing it to unknown random people is usually bad
[03:06] <philipballew> those damn blackhats!
[03:33] <twb> Crossing the street can be illegal
[03:36] <philipballew> twb have you ever "crossed the street"?
[03:37] <twb> philipballew: sure; https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Jaywalking
[03:37] <philipballew> the cops have better things to do then bug people for jwalking'
[03:38] <twb> And there are enough dumbasses running nmap on 0/0 that probably nobody is going to knock on your door for doing it
[03:38] <twb> Although I suppose your ISP might cut off your tubes for violating AUP
[03:42] <philipballew> depends on the isp probably
[03:44] <twb> Yeah, definitely
[03:44] <philipballew> att are the worst
[03:54] <lifeless> hallyn: well, it tries to start now (without step 3)
[03:54] <lifeless>  sudo lxc-start -n lucid-test-lp
[03:54] <lifeless> init: plymouth-splash main process (155) terminated with status 2
[03:54] <lifeless> init: plymouth main process (7) killed by ABRT signal
[03:55] <lifeless> hallyn: but its a little unhappy ;)
[03:58] <lifeless> hallyn: though that looks like it might be a container glitch; investigating
[04:00] <lifeless> hallyn: yes, looks like a container glitch
[04:24] <lifeless> hallyn: ahh, I can reliably nuke an lucid container :(
[05:39] <sw0rdfish> how to check what my friend is doing? I gave him ssh access to do something for me in my vps?
[07:12] <RoyK> sw0rdfish: ttysnoop?
[07:43] <huats> morning !
[07:44] <bkerensa> good morning :)
[07:47] <_ruben> *yawn*
[09:22] <tiphares> can someone name a simple, yet good, text editor witha gui for ubuntuserver?
[09:24] <_ruben> gui and server don't go along very well usualy
[09:24] <greppy> gvim
[09:25] <greppy> or just use nano in an xterm.
[09:25] <tiphares> i have fluxbox on it because i find coding easier with a gui
[09:26] <tiphares> i use nano for 'everyday use'
[10:55] <incidence> Hi, I'm installing openvpn but I keep getting error: "Since you are using --dev tun with a point-to-point topology, the second argument to --ifconfig must be an IP address. You are using something (255.255.255.128) that looks more like a netmask."
[10:55] <incidence> when connecting with a client
[10:56] <incidence> http://pastie.org/private/pwoyp62ifmdpayl7ldxg - there's my server config file
[10:56] <incidence> I'm trying to access our offices 10.0.1.1 network via openvpn
[13:51] <hallyn> SpamapS: I know you're uber-busy, but have you had any cycles to think about bug 350936 ?
[13:52] <hallyn> I'm tempted to say let's create a libvirt-shutdown.conf, startig on start runlevel 06, which shuts down the domains, and having qemu-kvm wiat on that one to finish before stopping
[13:53] <hallyn> though I guess sendsigs is still a problem;  so that's the main reason I'm pinging you :)
[14:45] <r4__> so im trying to build slapd with tcp wrappers support....im issuing the command "dpkg -b openldap-2.4.21/" but im getting the error "dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `openldap-2.4.21//DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory"
[14:45] <r4__> however... openldap-2.4.21/debian/control exists
[14:46] <r4__> the only modification i did to the source was adding "--enable-wrappers" to the "CFLAGS = ..." line in openldap-2.4.21/debian/rules
[14:46] <r4__> any suggestions? the man page failed me
[14:47] <patdk-wk> r4__ I seriously doubt c supports the --enable-wrappers command
[14:47] <r4__> c?
[14:47] <patdk-wk> yes, you added it to CFLAGS
[14:47] <patdk-wk> flags used when running c (or gcc)
[14:48] <r4__> hrm...then im not too sure where i need to add that command :(
[14:48] <patdk-wk> well, something told you to add --enable-wrappers, what told you that?
[14:48] <r4__> i could of sworn it was a CFLAG
[14:48] <patdk-wk> I will bet you it isn't :)
[14:48] <r4__> digging thru the source...lemme find a link
[14:51] <r4__> http://tinyurl.com/3ufw4hg
[14:51] <r4__> line 279
[14:52] <patdk-wk> oh, 3 things
[14:52] <patdk-wk> I don't see anything about CFLAGS there
[14:52] <patdk-wk> that isn't instructions
[14:53] <patdk-wk> and you should atleast google this, or do what I told you days ago, and not go greping the source
[14:55] <patdk-wk> like I told you a few days ago, edit debian/rules
[14:55] <patdk-wk> and add the --enable-wrappers in there to the configure command
[15:03] <patdk-wk> heh useless, openslap has --enable-wrappers by default
[15:13] <r4__> patdk-wk: thats what i did
[15:13] <r4__> i edited rules
[15:13] <patdk-wk> well, it's already enabled
[15:13] <patdk-wk> so I dunno why you need to *redo it* to enable it
[15:13] <r4__> but thanks for telling me it has it by defualt...i did not see it in rules
[15:14] <r4__> i dont...i couldnt find it in there, so i assumed it wasnt
[15:14] <patdk-wk> the rules file imports configure.options
[15:14] <r4__> ahh...so that is the file where i would find if such flags were set
[15:33] <r4__> patdk-wk: thanks for dealing with my ignorance :)
[15:48] <SpamapS> hallyn: I did spend some time on it last cycle but got distracted
[15:48] <SpamapS> hallyn: re bug 350936
[15:50] <SpamapS> hallyn: I seem to be caught in a cycle where I go "oh thats a bug I'll do that after Feature Freeze" and then after feature freeze I go "oh there are bugs in my new features I have to fix those" and then I never get to these important ones. :-P
[15:54] <hallyn> SpamapS: I wonder if we can work aroudn it for libvirt by having it start on starting (whatever starts sendsigs)
[15:54] <hallyn> I think I might have to pursue that.  I feel like this is something that needs to be solved.  soon.
[15:54] <SpamapS> hallyn: I believe the appropriate thing to do is to have the thing that shuts down all vms start on starting rc RUNLEVEL=[016]
[15:55] <SpamapS> hallyn: once rc has started, its kind of over. :-P
[15:55] <hallyn> right
[15:55] <hallyn> since sendsigs is initscripts, that's what i meant :)
[15:56] <hallyn> SpamapS: i think i'll work on a proposal
[15:56] <hallyn> lemme rephrase more assertively.  I will work on a proposal :)
[15:56] <SpamapS> hallyn: cool.. appreciate it, I think that bug is important too. :)
[15:56] <hallyn> thx, ttyl
[15:56] <SpamapS> hallyn: reassign the bug to yourself and mark it In Progress then.
[16:00] <zul> hallyn: did you run the last meeting?
[16:02] <hallyn> zul: no i didn't, though i did pretty recnetly
[16:02] <hallyn> SpamapS: yup, soon as i get started
[16:02] <hallyn> zul: what no agenda updates?
[16:41] <potatoe> I added new modules to /lib/modules, what is the command that I must run after I add these modules ( before I start doing modprobes )
[16:43] <patdk-wk> depmod?
[16:47] <Daviey> zul: Can you add ipxe to server-supported for now, and we'll think about adding it to another post A3.
[16:47] <zul> Daviey: yep
[16:47] <Daviey> cool
[16:48] <zul> Daviey: umm already there: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.oneiric/view/head:/server-ship
[16:51] <Daviey> zul: so it is..
[16:51] <Daviey> :)
[16:51] <Daviey> annnnd. it's showing.. we are just blocked on AA.
[16:55] <hallyn> SpamapS: if i do 'stop on starting runlevel [016]', will that DTRT?
[16:56] <hallyn> eh - let's try
[16:59] <potatoe> THANKs :D patdk-wk
[17:03] <SpamapS> hallyn: no
[17:03] <SpamapS> hallyn: stop on starting rc RUNLEVEL=[016]
[17:09] <h4lfl1ng> hello all, i'm running ubuntu server 11.04 and I cant seem to get sudo to keep environmental variables that were exported either as sudo or su or sudo -i
[17:11] <RoyK> h4lfl1ng: su alone should keep your environment, I don't think sudo will
[17:13] <Pici> h4lfl1ng: What about sudo -s ?
[17:13] <RoyK> dunno - try it
[17:14] <RoyK> doesn't look like it
[17:14] <RoyK> Pici: man sudo
[17:14] <RoyK> Pici: there's a -E flag
[17:14] <h4lfl1ng> Pici: noope..
[17:15]  * RoyK throws an RTFM in Pici's direction
[17:16] <Pici> RoyK: throw it at h4lfl1ng
[17:16] <RoyK> h4lfl1ng: see above, please :P
[17:16] <RoyK> Pici: sorry
[17:16] <Pici> RoyK: its okay.
[17:18] <h4lfl1ng> RoyK: -E for what command?
[17:18] <h4lfl1ng> sudo?
[17:18] <RoyK> h4lfl1ng: man sudo
[17:19] <RoyK> h4lfl1ng: man sudo # RTFM
[17:23] <h4lfl1ng> RoyK: How do I use the SETENV tag? When I try to do sudo -E export ASD="stuff" I get export not found..
[17:24] <Pici> export is a shell builtin
[17:25] <RoyK> h4lfl1ng: export somevar=asdf; sudo -E ... echo $somevar
[17:25] <RoyK> sudo -Ei should work well, preseving the old variables
[17:25] <RoyK> h4lfl1ng: it's all in the docs ;)
[18:09] <Velmont> Problem: multiple computers with multiple users. They "lock screen" and sometimes ppl have to turn computer off (cutting power). That makes Firefox go batshit crazy because of .lock-files, so it never starts again.
[18:10] <Velmont> Problem 2: If you login on two computers, and open LibreOffice on both, LO will destroy its own profile. Never starting again (until you delete the profile).
[18:11] <Velmont> So. Possible fix 1 to problem 2: How can I only allow people to login ONCE? I'm using OpenLDAP and pam_ldap.
[18:12] <Velmont> Possible fix for problem 1: How can I NOT allow people to lock the computers? Only logout?
[18:13] <Pici> Depending on what desktop environment you're using, and how updated these links are...
[18:13] <Pici> !lockdown
[18:13] <Pici> That *might* help.
[18:14] <Velmont> Pici: Yes pessulusus or what's it's name. I can see if it has anything that can help :-D
[18:16] <Velmont> Trying to force everyone to use gnome-desktop by default, because Unity crashes so badly and only allows people to login 2/3 of the times they try (or else they have to reboot). It's a problem with either compiz, or unity and ldap. Or maybe NFS. I have no idea after trying to find out why. :-)
[18:20] <Velmont> Pici: Disable Lock Screen and Disable User Switching will work. -- Great, that should help with the Firefox and Thunderbird lock problem.  --  It won't help with the OpenOffice problem though. But a step closer to more sane computing (and less yelling at the Linux machines)
[18:25] <OsakaFoo> hi, just got all the way though to "configure package manager" and for some reason it decided to disconnect the usb which it was installing to. Is there any way to continue the install?
[18:58] <miceiken> Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2) - I am getting this error when trying to make a gameserver connect with the mysql-server. It works fine other than that with for example PHP.
[19:07] <patdk-wk> miceiken, heh, that shouldn't work :) that is a huge security issue
[19:41] <r4__> ugh i cannot figure out for the life of me why the ldap daemon won't start after i enable SSL authentication
[19:42] <r4__> following this guide, http://tinyurl.com/3fmbtt8
[19:43] <r4__> At the end of the section...that is the error i get.
[19:45] <patdk-wk> probably broken cert
[19:45] <caaakeeey> hey, whats the best ami to use on amazon?
[19:45] <patdk-wk> personally, I perfer one that works :)
[19:50] <caaakeeey> which one would that be?
[19:53] <r4__> patdk-wk: probably...fun!
[19:58] <lifeless> hallyn: hiya
[20:22] <hallyn> lifeless: hey
[20:22] <lifeless> hallyn: hey
[20:23] <hallyn> (doing some tests involving rebooting my laptop right now, apologies in advance for delays)
[20:23] <lifeless> hallyn: seen my omgwtf bug ?
[20:23] <lifeless> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/819621
[20:23] <skaet> Daviey,  hggdh - are you good with the current Ubuntu server images, or do you want to pick up the new images that were part of the respin?
[20:23] <hallyn> lifeless: yup
[20:23] <hallyn> lifeless: the workaround there should fix the wrost part (the not restarting)
[20:24] <lifeless> ah, thanks! will try after I get off the call I'm on
[20:24] <lifeless> hallyn: and so ssh was blocking getty ?
[20:24] <hallyn> no, but networking was
[20:25] <lifeless> thanks!
[20:26] <hallyn> lifeless: i'm really hoping that next week we can get real reboot support so we can stop having all these issues
[20:26] <lifeless> that would be cool
[20:26]  * hallyn reboots
[20:26] <lifeless> is my playing with this helping you at all?
[20:27] <stgraber> hallyn: getting reboot working and getting closer to having the user namespaces would be awesome :) then we'd have good hopes of having close to OpenVZ's feature set for the next LTS
[21:00] <lifeless> hallyn: back ?
[21:04] <Bernhard> Any dutch people ?????
[21:04] <genii-around> !nl
[21:09] <hallyn> lifeless: what's up?
[21:10] <hallyn> stgraber: user namespace won't be ready :(  unless a miracle happens, I expect the vfs support to tak ea long time
[21:11] <lifeless> hallyn: just wondering if my experiments are helpful to you, or I'm just finding issues you already know about ?
[21:16] <hallyn> lifeless: they are helpful to me, definately
[21:17] <photon> hi
[21:18] <hallyn> (time for another sync and reboot)
[21:19] <skaet> hmm.. haven't heard back on those Server images so going to post the latest.
[21:24] <hggdh> skaet: I have not looked at the server images; it is probably not a bad idea to get the latest respin
[21:25] <skaet> thanks hggdh
[21:37] <lifeless> hallyn: cool; I shall persevere then!
[21:39] <photon> hey. can anyone recommend a good book on Linux server administration, Ubuntu Server specifically, that focuses on security and efficient administration? I need something to read on my 10 hour plane ride.
[21:50] <hallyn> lifeless: I appreciate it
[21:55] <Bernhard> when i install a prog with for example apt-get install nginx
[21:55] <Bernhard> then it does not install automaticly the latest version.. how can i update and install in the same path ?
[22:40] <Daviey> skaet: I don't think significant testing has yet been achieved, thereore i'd like to stay as current with the other flavours as possible.
[22:40] <skaet> Daviey,  goodness since I just finished updating ;)
[22:41] <Daviey> hah, glad you thought to ask tho :P
[22:41] <skaet> Daviey,  well hggdh did say it was ok.  ;)
[22:42] <skaet> Daviey, I'm looking to see if the arm server images are off the builder,  and if so, unless you tell me otherwise,  I think you've got your images.
[22:44] <Daviey> skaet: good stuff!
[22:45] <Daviey> skaet: I will sign off amd64 and i386, NCommander needs to sign off the arm delieverables.
[22:50] <skaet> Daviey,  gotcha.
[23:18] <lifeless> SpamapS: hallyn's lxcmount.conf patch should fixup lxc starting up for you on oneiric
[23:18] <lifeless> SpamapS: I suspect it was the same issue
[23:18] <SpamapS> lifeless: sweet
[23:18] <SpamapS> lifeless: any other gotchyas?
[23:20] <lifeless> SpamapS: see my running docs - ./lucid-test-lp/rootfs/etc/init/lxcmount.conf
[23:20] <lifeless> bah
[23:20] <lifeless> https://dev.launchpad.net/Running/LXC#preview
[23:21] <lifeless> SpamapS: anything [oneiric only] is a gotcha :P
[23:23] <SpamapS> lifeless: we can likely backport lxcguest to lucid for these purposes.
[23:23] <lifeless> SpamapS: yes, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/819621/comments/12 :P
[23:23] <lifeless> SpamapS: that said, we should fix oneiric as much as possible to avoid -faarghly- workarounds.
[23:42] <Velmont> What? LXC? How new is that? Is it former vserver? I've tried Xen, KVM, usermode linux, openvz and vserver. But never seen LXC.
[23:44] <Velmont> In mainstream kernel since 2.6.29. Hmm. Ohwell. Need to look that up then :]
[23:52] <SpamapS> Velmont: LXC is most like OpenVZ
[23:53] <patdk-lap> lxc is much better then openvz
[23:53] <Velmont> SpamapS, patdk-lap: Yes, I'm reading some of the guide. Although I should be asleep, seeing as I've got a job interview tomorrow :-)
[23:57] <SpamapS> Velmont: 5 hour energy FTW