bigcalmHowdy kids :)07:34
MooDoomorning all07:59
diplomorning all08:03
KrisDouglasI need to start coming into work at 10 again08:03
MooDoopah! ;)08:03
JamesTaitMorning all!08:16
bigcalmHas emma ever spoken in here?08:39
AlanBelldunno, but she asked in -irc to have the ban lifted because she has fixed her connection, which was the reason for the ban08:41
emmathanks AlanBell08:44
gordpopey, to maybe get you re-interested in the screencast project :) http://idratherbewriting.com/2011/07/22/a-few-notes-from-usability-testing-video-tutorials-get-watched-text-gets-skipped/08:50
bigcalmAlanBell: fair enough08:52
bigcalmemma: welcome back :)08:52
emmabigcalm: thanks :)08:53
bigcalmgord: I think it depends upon the subject matter. I've seen screen casts when howto text would have been preferred08:55
gordbigcalm, yup, because you wern't a new user, you are experienced, experienced people skip videos as the article points out08:56
oimonyeah, or maybe the happy medium of screenshots08:56
gordyou are just after a specific bit of info so you want text you can scan08:56
bigcalmgord: ah, I didn't look at the link, just read the URL ;)08:57
oimonme too :P08:58
oimoni suppose we're the kind who don't watch vids either :)08:58
popeygord: nice!09:00
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:10
brobostigonmorning dwatkins09:11
dwatkinsI trust all is well with people09:12
brobostigonother than my eczema getting worse because of this heat, i am fine.09:12
brobostigonand you?09:12
dwatkinsI have the same problem, coincidentally.09:14
dwatkinsI'm also in an air conditioned office but have the window open due to the heat, despite the rain outside.09:14
popeytsk tsk tsk09:14
popeyour windows dont even open09:15
dwatkinsI was surprised to learn that they do here, but very glad - I think the aircon has one sensor for the whole floor.09:15
bigcalmIt's a bit muggy09:15
* dwatkins goes to share his thoughts with the facilities department09:16
dwatkinsyeah bigcalm09:16
oimoni don't understand when premises are airconditioned to really cool temperature in warm weather - why not a pleasant medium?09:17
oimonwent into coop yesterday and it felt like standing inside a freezer09:18
gordbecause someone walked in out of the heat and thought "this is only medium, i need to get cold!" and changed the thermostat09:18
BigRedSoimon: 16 Celsius *is* a pleasant medium09:19
tola_gord: heh09:19
BigRedSbut, yeah, I get similarly annoyed with heating in winter09:20
bigcalmMystic Meg is a silly medium09:20
oimonmy office is cool today, without air con09:20
oimonthats what you get for sitting behind 6 metres of 1960s concrete in a NW facing room09:21
BigRedSbigcalm: :)09:21
bigcalmIf one uses xorg.conf, does X then ignore all other config files?09:23
brobostigonhttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg   it seems the config files in newer xorg's are alittle different.09:25
brobostigonbut having fixed config present, will override xorg's auto config, yes.09:26
bigcalmI'm wondering how to stop my windows from becoming sluggish to refresh by the afternoon. I fear 'stop using Java' is the biggest saving09:27
brobostigonyes, java, flash etc wont help.09:28
bigcalmAha, I don't use flash so that might as well be removed09:31
bigcalmActually, I was wondering if I needed to add any modules to my xorg.conf file if X is ignoring everything else09:32
brobostigonnot a clue, myself, popey helped me last time i have xorg issues.09:33
bigcalmSo I'm removing traces of flash from my system. Is libquvi0 required?09:34
brobostigon!info libguvi009:34
lubotu3Package libguvi0 does not exist in natty09:34
brobostigon!info libguv09:34
lubotu3Package libguv does not exist in natty09:34
bigcalmIt's in the software centre09:35
bigcalm!info libquvi009:35
lubotu3libquvi0 (source: libquvi): library for parsing video download links (runtime libraries). In component main, is extra. Version 0.2.11-1 (natty), package size 24 kB, installed size 220 kB09:35
* bigcalm shrugs09:35
brobostigonwhy didnt it work for me?09:35
bigcalmYou did g not q09:36
bigcalmAww, down side to no flash is I don't get to enjoy Weebl's Stuff09:36
bigcalmOr Absolute80s :'(09:38
* BigRedS listens to the Spice Girls for a bit09:46
MartijnVdSpoor BigRedS09:50
BigRedSI did sort-of ask for it09:50
BigRedSActually, I literally asked for it...09:50
MartijnVdSBigRedS: so, which one is your favourite? :)09:53
BigRedSMartijnVdS: I've not really been following them, and I suspect they've changed a bit now...09:57
danfishBigRedS: I tell you what you want, what you really really want09:57
BigRedSdanfish: stop right now, thank you very much09:58
Kirrusdanfish: didn't put that one on. I think that would have been a bit too much, even for BigRedS ;) :P09:58
bigcalmStarted typing in gedit as though it was a terminal. That's not going to work for long09:59
Kirrustoo used to using vi?09:59
oracologybigcalm: I keep a terminal plugin active in gedit for just such occasions :)09:59
bigcalmNot really, just what was being displayed looked like a dir listing09:59
davmor2morning all10:06
* davmor2 prods czajkowski to gauge her mode10:06
bigcalmHullo hullo10:06
brobostigonmorning davmor210:06
davmor2morning bigcalm brobostigon10:06
bigcalmI can't believe that my 1st thought to fix mp3 playback was to reboot :(10:08
bigcalmAt least rebooting is quick when you have an SSD10:08
davmor2bigcalm: did it work though?10:08
bigcalmResult was what I wanted. Just not the path I would have taken a few years ago10:09
bigcalmI've been using windows for too long10:09
* popey hugs SSD10:09
MooDooyay SSD :)10:11
bigcalmThe only thing left that stops me from working like I used to is the DisplayLink USB thing not working at the same time as the nvidia card10:12
bigcalm2 monitors is better than 1 though. But was very used to spreading out on 310:12
popeyi have gone back to one monitor at home10:12
bigcalmIn any case, I'm glad I'm using Ubuntu all the time now10:13
popeyoh, you are?10:13
bigcalmI am10:13
popeyi thought you were still on windows daytime10:13
* popey is on xp atm10:13
bigcalmNope, got fed up of the random crashes in Windows 710:13
daubers\o/ random crashes10:13
daubersbigcalm: That's a feature to make sure you're aware of how you should be working10:14
bigcalmRunning Ubuntu on my workstation and doing dev was an experiment that seems to be working out ok10:14
bigcalmdaubers: :)10:14
bigcalmTBH, I don't mind what OS I'm using, as long as it works10:14
daubersI don't mind as long as it doesn't get in my way10:14
bigcalmI've reached the point in life when I realise that computers are just a tool for getting work done10:15
czajkowskidaubers: oi10:23
czajkowskidavmor2: oi10:23
czajkowskidaubers: sorry10:23
daubersczajkowski: huh?10:23
MooDoohi czajkowski davmor210:23
czajkowskidaubers: bad tab complete10:23
davmor2daubers: don't believe her she isn't she's like that :)10:24
davmor2czajkowski: morning10:24
davmor2MooDoo: Morning dude10:24
* daubers changes the music and goes back to wiki editing10:24
MooDoodavmor2: how goes it?10:25
bigcalmThis is confusing. Every video I look at on youtube requires flash to play10:26
bigcalmWhat happened to the HTML5 trial?10:26
davmor2bigcalm: are you on the html version of the site?10:27
jussibigcalm: youtube.com/html510:27
bigcalmOdd, thought I was already on the trial10:28
davmor2bigcalm: ah had you signed in?10:30
dwatkinsPerhaps it's per-browser or something.10:30
gordit is per-browser10:32
dwatkinsWierd, I signed-up on the page jussi cited, but it's still showing me flash videos.10:33
jussiyeah it is per browser (its a cookie iirc)10:34
bigcalmGotcha, I feel dumb :)10:36
AlanBell£60 for answering a few questions https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2011-August/030943.html10:36
bigcalmMinus cost of getting to Canonical10:38
BigRedSThey're in London. Isn't everybody?10:40
dwatkinsI'm not.10:41
bigcalmdwatkins: we're not everybody then10:42
BigRedSto be fair, I'm not in London, either10:43
KirrusBigRedS: Except for every (other) weekend... :P10:44
BigRedSnah, it's more frequent than that :)10:44
davmor2I'm not I don't create apps for other platforms either10:44
AlanBellquite amused they think world of goo is a little app tbh10:44
bigcalmI develop web apps...10:45
bigcalmFor monies10:45
AlanBellI would much rather sit down and write an OpenOffice clone from scratch than World of Goo10:46
gordactually. world of go kinda is a little ap10:47
gordit was first coded as an entry to one of those time limited game development competitions10:47
gordiirc it uses a modified version of ODE for its physics10:47
AlanBellgosh, didn't know that10:49
directhexprogrammers can't write games. there's far more to a game than the engine10:50
MartijnVdSEngine is the easy bit :)10:51
gordnot all programmers are game developers, but that does no game developers can be programmers10:51
davmor2AlanBell: Yeah but your insane :D10:52
directhexprogrammers can be game developers, but they can't write games. designers of various types write games. in some cases, the same person may cover multiple roles, i.e. a programmer may also be a designer10:53
gordright, but your assertion that programmers can't write games10:53
gordis false10:53
gordsure they can, they just have to also have the skill set to design the game10:54
AlanBellmy grip on reality is somewhat tenuous, granted. But getting the blobs to distort and move right plus animating a whole load of blobs keeping track of state and momentum vectors and updating everything every frame just sounds like a nightmare to me10:54
directhexi forget, we have a distro filled with super-awesome AAA games by pure programmers10:54
MartijnVdSAlanBell: that's why objects rock -- they just keep track of themselves :)10:54
AlanBellplus collision detection and stickyness stuff10:54
MartijnVdSdirecthex: nethack!10:55
MartijnVdSAlanBell: collision detection and physics ARE annoying problems, but not as hard as you think once you start to break them down in an event-driven world10:55
davmor2directhex, gord: without a programmer the game will exist but it will be heavily patented by Waddingtons I think you'll find and the boxes will generally be much bigger :D10:56
bigcalmPut 'nethack' into software centre and it includes 'PuTTY Terminal Emulator' in the list10:56
AlanBellit is a world apart from applications that consist of forms with fields on and business processes and workflow stuff10:56
gordAlanBell, it would take me a weekend to write a world of goo clone, years to clone open office ;)10:57
directhexdavmor2, there are hundreds of top-level engines available off the shelf. and the existence of "total conversion" mods for existing games shows how little a programmer is needed to generate a "full" game10:57
hamitronreal men make their own engine ;)10:57
AlanBellgord: I guess for me OpenOffice.org has no "magic" in it10:58
gordAlanBell, its all smoke and mirrors ;)10:58
AlanBellwhere sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic10:58
BigRedSAlanBell: I'm told there's lots of black magic, voodoo etc. in it10:58
davmor2directhex: who made the engine?  who modded the engine? my point was with no programmer games would still be on boards10:58
BigRedSI thought the earlier point was that you needed more than just a programmer?10:59
gorddirecthex, just fyi, those "total conversion" mods, always involve a full C++ knowlege as well as the API's exposed by the game engine and the ability to wield visual C++10:59
gordyou very much need programmers to make those10:59
davmor2BigRedS: Yeap but my point was with out a programmer there would still be no game so they're just as essential11:00
directhexC++? how delightfully specific11:00
BigRedSdavmor2: yeah, they're essential. But so is everybody else11:00
directhexgames use multiple engines. high-level scripting engines are simple enough that the artists do all that themselves.11:00
AlanBellBigRedS: I understand everything it does, none of it is advanced, none of it is time critical programming (as in you must move everything on screen before the next vertical blank comes along)11:00
BigRedSAlanBell: no, but it's all done very very badly FWIG :)11:01
davmor2BigRedS: what about the one man indie game manufacturer?11:01
BigRedSdavmor2: he's more than just a programmer :)11:01
hamitronAlanBell: "none of it is time critical" <-- good job with how long it takes to start ;)11:01
BigRedS"I'd like to start a spreadsheet next thursday" *double-clicks OOo icon*11:01
bigcalmHumm, that's a point11:02
AlanBellnot time critical11:02
bigcalmWhy do spreadsheets take so long to open?11:02
AlanBellthat is "would be nice if it were faster"11:02
livingdaylightFF seems to have triggered an issue and now I cannot bootup into Ubuntu, any longer. I get BOOTMGR is missing on startup11:02
bigcalmThe app loads quickly. Opening .xlsx is pants slow though11:02
davmor2bigcalm: cause you are using OOo and not LO?11:03
directhexthe programmers aren't the ones deciding on the "game" part, because they'd be crap at it. the designers can build the game on top of the foundation laid by the programmers.11:03
bigcalmdavmor2: nope, LO is the default in 11.04 which is what I've left it as11:03
hamitronis the code IBM has put into OOo going to be in LO?11:03
AlanBellhamitron: it isn't in OOo yet, it has just been offered.11:04
hamitronyeh, I was assuming it will be11:04
hamitron"if" then11:04
davmor2bigcalm: SS here opens in a 1-2 seconds here11:04
AlanBelland I don't think that is likely to be code of a higher quality than the rest of it11:04
bigcalmdavmor2: .xlsx?11:04
AlanBelllivingdaylight: sounds more fundamental than firefox!11:04
hamitronAlanBell: I just read it adds support for better running of macro11:05
livingdaylightAlanBell: ok, but firefox seems to have triggered it11:05
bigcalmPondering moving to ODF. It's a business document though, so others need to be able to open it11:05
davmor2bigcalm: you didn't say that you said it takes an age to open a spreadsheet you can't go changing the rules half way through the process11:05
AlanBellhamitron: yeah, they did some stuff on VB macros, that is probably worth merging (macros need to die in a fire though)11:05
BigRedSWell, they can download and install LO/OOo </hippy>11:05
bigcalmdavmor2: hehe, aww, sorry :)11:06
hamitronAlanBell: I agree, it just shuts up some of those complaining for now :)11:06
popeylivingdaylight: unlikely11:06
davmor2bigcalm: on your machine use ODF if you need to send it to a company save a copy in whatever format and ship it out11:06
* popey creates a 100GB oracle tablespace11:07
livingdaylightafter not being able to boot up at first I then was, which is strange ini itself. I ran it for a few days using chrome, when FF was launched by clicking on a link sent by twitter using Gwibber system crashed again and this time I can't log in at all11:07
popeyTime Passess..11:07
AlanBellhamitron: the rest of the stuff they have done is some fairly radical UI tinkering (mostly ick imho) and eclipse integration (what were they thinking) and accessibility improvements (great, if they can be merged without the rest)11:07
davmor2popey: time still passing...11:07
popeyyeah, been 17 mins so far11:07
livingdaylightI'm bricking it, because I don't want to lose everything I had on this system11:07
popeylivingdaylight: can you still see the hard disk in the BIOS?11:08
popeylivingdaylight: can you press shift after the BIOS to trigger the GRUB menu?11:08
AlanBelllivingdaylight: at a guess the HDD is failing and FF happened to be on a really bad sector or something like that11:08
livingdaylightpopey: I can check. It is now letting me go to the log in page but after logging in Desktop just flickers and unity bar is not there, just the wallpaper11:09
popeylivingdaylight: can you boot from a live CD / USB and "see" the hard disk?11:09
AlanBellI need to do a fsck myself actually o/11:09
popeythis is less disasterous than you made out initially :D11:09
livingdaylightAlanBell: that's a thought. Problem definitely materialised ever since I loaded Gwibber and ran FF as a consequence of it being default browser for links11:10
davmor2sudo fsck AlanBell system incompatible with irc removing11:11
bigcalmdavmor2: internal company document shared over dropbox. I'm the only LO user, everybody else is using MS Office11:11
livingdaylightpopey: it feels disastrous. What worries me is the inconsistent error returns11:11
davmor2bigcalm: so import it one save it locally as odf and save the copy in dropbox as xmlx or whatever it is :D11:12
davmor2bigcalm: you know you love my solutions :D11:13
bigcalmdavmor2: it's starting to make my brain itch :P11:13
popeylivingdaylight: you have backups?11:14
davmor2bigcalm: only worry when the tick starts11:14
bigcalmTime to pause for lunch I think :)11:14
livingdaylightpopey: no11:14
popeylivingdaylight: you might want to consider a backup system11:16
MartijnVdSbackups \o/11:17
livingdaylightwhere in BIOS would I see the hard disc?11:18
MartijnVdSdepends on the bios11:18
popeyhang on11:18
popeyif you're already booted to the desktop then my questions about BIOS dont apply11:18
popeymy questions related to your initial issue which seems to no longer be affecting you11:19
livingdaylightok, naturally, lol11:19
livingdaylightnow, how to access contents of installation?11:19
livingdaylighti.e. home11:20
BigRedSlivingdaylight: where are you now? booted into the install itself?11:28
livingdaylightBigRedS: I was. I tried going booting into classic instead of unity, with pretty much the same results except Desktop icons were not flickering. But when I hit ctl+alt+F1 system went to command line and started shooting long readings of I/0 numeric messages regarding /dev/sda11:41
livingdaylightI've now booted up ubuntu live 10.1011:41
livingdaylightCan someone please tell me how I would, in theory at least, mount my partitiions?11:42
BigRedSthey're probably already mounted11:42
BigRedSif the system's booted11:42
livingdaylightI see it!11:42
livingdaylightnow I just need to find an external hd to transfer my files :p11:43
livingdaylightCan't access my files due to permission issues. Can soemone tell me how to get this permission so that I can access and transfer files to safety?11:48
BigRedSlivingdaylight: only if we know who you're logged in as and what the permissions on the files are11:50
livingdaylightBigRedS: running live cd, is one not logged in as a default user?11:53
BigRedSah, I thought you were booted up on the hd install11:53
BigRedSso, yeah, you are11:53
BigRedSit's probably easiest to do everything as root/with sudo11:54
BigRedSrather than try changing the ownership of all the files11:54
livingdaylightsudo nautilus didn't seem to work. Didn't see any of my files then11:54
BigRedSor you could create a user with a uid matching that which owns the files on the disk, grant that user write access to teh usb disk, then su to that user11:54
BigRedSer, there's a switch to pass to nautilus to get just the filemanager bit11:55
BigRedSand gksudo is preferred to sudo for gtk apps (like nautilus)11:55
BigRedSgksudo nautilus --browser11:55
BigRedSshould be it11:55
BigRedSI think11:56
BigRedSThat's not tested, though11:56
andylockranheya guys11:57
andylockranI fancy running a twitter feed of a #hashtag during a live debate.  The hashtag will be of the debate, but I want to be able to audit the comments before they're projected onto the screen.  Any suggestions for software to do this?11:58
daubersIs lo still as much of a train crash as it used to be?12:06
andylockranlo ?12:06
dauberslinux outlaws12:06
andylockranI've not listened to it much12:12
andylockranthe debate is for a healthcare charity @ the big 3 party conferences next month12:12
daubersandylockran: I've only ever seen generic twitter falls, so not sure which ones allow moderating12:17
andylockranyeah.. may have to purchase/write something12:17
daubersandylockran: Quick google gives this http://code.google.com/p/guardian-twitterfall/12:17
AlanBellandylockran: I used gwibber in the past, hacked in a full screen mode, but no moderation12:22
AlanBellandylockran: the tweepy api can do streaming real time updates, I would start with that12:23
andylockranThank you.  The guardian-twitterfall looks interesting12:29
popeydaubers: have a listen? it's not to everyones tastes, but they have a lot of listeners12:35
dauberspopey: I used to regularly, had just grabbed the most recent ep to see if it still annoys me or not12:36
popeywhat annoys you?12:36
popeyI made the mistake of correcting Fab last night during their live show12:36
bigcalmBlame popey12:37
daubersIt used to be a mix of the general attitude and it went a bit .... wandery and unfocused which was why I stopped listening12:37
czajkowskipopey: how well did that go down :)12:37
popeynot well12:38
popeyhe said something about jonos job being PR only12:39
popeythat he does no developer relations12:39
popeyI pointed out he has people who do that for him, Jorge and Daniel12:39
czajkowskiI beg to differ especially this cycle12:39
popeynot me you need to convince12:39
czajkowskiI don't listen to LO12:39
czajkowskiI dont mind dan12:39
czajkowskibut find Fab waffles and talks more shite than an old irish man in a pub!12:40
czajkowskiand that's a lot of waffle and shite12:40
davmor2czajkowski: Language12:40
directhexeveryone's trying my mono backports, i trust?12:40
davmor2directhex: NO!12:40
directhexSHAME ON YOU12:41
hamitronno mono :/12:41
davmor2directhex: I don't have backports enabled on this system and the others I work on are a huge mix of oneiric and maverick12:46
AlanBelldaubers: I think there might be a gap in the podcast market12:49
directhexdavmor2, it's in my PPA. no official backports are possible for mono12:50
daubersAlanBell: Hmmm?12:50
AlanBellI am pondering starting one around free software in the workplace12:50
davmor2directhex: then definitely not then this is my production system I trust nothing ;)12:50
daubersAlanBell: heh, sounds kinda fun12:50
DJonesdaubers: Can you do this with you arduino setup http://www.thelocal.se/35306/20110802/12:52
daubersDJones: Building a nuclear reactor is relativley easy. Building a good/safe reactor is moderatley hard. Getting hold of fissionable material is nearly impossible12:54
DJonesdaubers: Sounds like that bloke didn't have much problem getting the materials12:54
daubersDJones: I'd suspect they weren't very good. To get enough material from smoke alarms you'd need thousands and thousands of them12:55
daubersDJones: tbh, from a news site that allows so much swearing (http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/snuggling/2011/08/01/no-more-babies-on-airplanes/) I'd be very doubtful of their accuracy12:56
daubersYou could probably build a RTU from smoke alarms, you'd need a couple of thousand of them probably and might generate a watt, but it's not a proper fission reactor12:59
daubersRTG sorry not RTU12:59
daubersAlanBell: Scarily enough, I have little idea how _big_ enterprise systems work13:04
popeydefine "bug"13:04
livingdaylightI'm copying files using 'cp' command. Is there a difference between using option 'r' or 'R' when copying a folder such as 'Documents' to another hd?13:05
dauberspopey: More than about 20 employees across multiple sites13:05
daubersmost people I deal with are maybe 15/20 people in one building13:06
directhexlivingdaylight, no, they're the same thing13:06
daubersoccasionally a University department, but that's different again13:06
popeyhow about 140K employees?13:06
dauberspopey: Wouldn't know where to start :) (Other than get in a contractor who has more of a clue)13:07
* popey wonders how many sites this place has13:07
popeythe "add printer" dialog is amusing here13:08
popeyyou _have_ to filter by country13:08
daubersThe main thing I've wondered about is how big places like that using Linux cope without a unified directory tool (i.e. controlling menu permissions and the like)13:08
popeyoh, we dont have linux on the desktop13:08
daubersgnome seems to have little ldap integration for that kind of thing13:08
popeybazillions of servers, no linux desktops13:08
popeyand use ldap13:08
dauberswould be nice to see some ldap integration sneak into unity13:10
gordpatches welcome :)13:10
AlanBellI was talking to a SAP Senior Manager for Deloitte yesterday13:10
AlanBellthey are kind of interested in whether they should be offering OpenERP services to enterprise yet13:11
* popey used to work for Deloitte SAP practice13:11
gordquick read of ldap wikipedia page shows i'm dumb13:11
gordno simple.wikipedia.org page for it either :(13:11
directhexgord, ?13:11
daubersgord: I've been considering having a go... but have yet to manage to get an ldap server to play nice with linux :)13:12
directhexi deployed replicated LDAP for auth, with 400 clients13:12
popeywhat would /usr/bin/slapd be?13:13
popey(thats the ldap we use)13:13
popey(on linux)13:13
gordi jigglied the giggawatts with ldap for a billion new widgets13:13
popey /usr/sbin/slapd even13:13
dauberspopey: I think it's still slapd13:13
popeyno, i mean what product would that be13:14
popeythats what we use then13:14
daubersgord: OSX server lets you do things like manage what people have in their docks, and set printers and whatnot from a unified directory thing13:14
gorddon't we call that gsettings?13:15
daubersmakes rolling out macs easy, "plug in mac, bind to server, reboot"13:15
daubersgord: does gsettings let you have a central server controlling it?13:16
AlanBellyeah, Ubuntu could be much better at that13:16
directhexpopey, slapd is openldap's server process13:16
directhexbah, stupid dsl13:16
AlanBellUbuntu server seems to have very very little to do with managing Ubuntu clients13:17
davmor2directhex: dsl == distintly slow line right?13:17
gorddaubers, pretty sure it does13:17
gordits pretty much the idea13:17
daubersAlanBell: Solutions I've been given tend to be "Oh, I have a bash script that does some of that" and it's all pretty patchy13:17
directhexdavmor2, speed is not the issue.13:17
Davieydaubers: I can't work out how to set what is in my local dock, let alone central management :)13:18
AlanBellyeah, what I want is that you install Ubuntu server, then when you install Ubuntu clients they find it by avahi or by specifying where it is, then just work13:18
AlanBellprinters, user accounts, configurations, apt-cache etc.13:18
oimonpuppet is a good configuration system13:18
oimongets rid of bash scripts13:18
DavieyAlanBell: There is a good chance avahi discovery will land this cycle for automated installation.13:18
davmor2daubers: you can I think it's called landscape ;)13:18
daubersoimon: Still not an optimum solution. You have to muck around with it for each application13:19
daubersdavmor2: never played with landscape :)13:19
popeyavahi is no good in the enterprise13:19
daubersbroadcast domain fail \o/13:19
AlanBellgreat for SMB13:19
popeygood for single site, single network yes13:20
Davieypopey: agreed.. spanning multiple subnets doesn't work that well :)13:20
daubersAlanBell: Not if you have a network that crosses networks13:20
davmor2AlanBell: there is a difference between good and easy :)13:20
directhexi am gonna cook so much tasty food next week, omgs!13:20
popeydaubers = good13:20
popeydavmor2 = easy13:20
daubersDaviey: How would that work then? Avahi installation stuff?13:21
davmor2popey: Ha I'll have you know I resemble that comment13:21
Davieydaubers: I haven't touched the avahi part of it yet, but that shouldn't be too much of a challenge13:21
DavieyThe idea is to enroll a new server with the provisioning server13:22
AlanBellso with avahi, you take your laptop, go to another office in the group, plug in and connect to the local server and pick up all the local settings13:22
Davieydaubers: The hardest part is auth.13:22
daubersAlanBell: Avahi only works within the local broadcast domain13:22
AlanBelldaubers: yes, which is great13:22
daubersAlanBell: Not if you're in a building which has a different subnet on each floor (like some Uni's I've been into)13:23
daubersDaviey: So it would grab settings and stuff from the provisioning server?13:23
AlanBellif you don't have a server in each subnet it is an issue13:23
Davieydaubers: in principle, you can have a proxy agent.. but it's just fugly.13:23
AlanBellbut like I said, it would be nice if it just works with avahi, or specify where your server is if avahi doesn't work for you13:24
Davieydaubers: well make it 'aware' on the server, for later options13:24
gordif something doesn't "just work" on ubuntu, its a bug :)13:24
daubersDaviey: A small step forwards then :)13:24
* davmor2 files a bug against gord13:25
* popey files a bug against davmor2 13:25
Davieydaubers: I haven't finished the enrollment tool yet.. but as it stands, http://pb.daviey.com/Rnip/13:25
davmor2popey: I only use windows to test ubuntu that doesn't count :P13:25
gordlatest ubuntu upgrade stopped my wireless keyboard from working :(13:26
* davmor2 counters popey's bug with several against popey :D13:26
* popey points davmor2 at https://bugs.launchpad.net/popey/+filebug13:27
Davieydavmor2: you want this link, i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/popey/+filebug13:27
Davieypopey: it does seem you are currently 'bug free'13:28
daubersDaviey: Will you store the settings in some kind of db, or flatfile?13:28
Davieydaubers: 'settings' ?13:28
daubersDaviey: All the bumpf you pass down to the new server?13:29
daubersOr you will be passing down eventually13:29
Davieydaubers: Well, there is some data stored in the server, via cobbler13:29
Davieyfor deployment, it's ensemble enabled :)13:29
Davieythe initial deploy is supposed to be quite dumb13:30
Davieyproviding a reasonably stock installation.13:30
Davieyensemble then puts the real payload on there..13:30
DavieyTalking about this hurts, it's reminding me of my TODO's.13:31
davmor2popey: there's one on there from your wife something about excessive time wasted on minecraft ;)13:31
AlanBellensemble /o\13:31
DavieyAn Austrialian celebrating13:32
BigRedScPanel's MySQL-interference interface, is it PHPMyAdmin?13:33
* daubers is failing in a sea of buzzwords while trying to find out what ensemble actually _does_13:34
popeyCanonical have screwed the marketing of ensemble up somewhat13:35
popeyI know a few geeks who don't "get" it13:35
gordi had it explained to me as "apt get for building services"13:35
AlanBellit is a way of using 7 VMs when one will do13:36
MartijnVdSgord: "building services", like janitors?13:36
DavieyAlanBell: Interesting defintion, was that based on your personal experience?13:37
AlanBellDaviey: from watching the videos13:37
popeythats the scenario people pull out Daviey13:37
AlanBellso lets install a wordpress blog . . .13:37
popeythrow up a wp install it pulls in mysql, apache etc, on lots of boxes13:37
daubersHmmm.. this doesn't seem to fit into what I see as missing at all. This seems more orchestrated towards people who run on demand services that might need another server quickly. The ldap stuff is more for someone running a couple of offices who needs to be able to get a new desktop working with all the existing stuff relativley quickly13:38
popeywhich is mental13:38
DavieyI agree the communication has sucked on current development, but it's not released yet.13:38
popeythats no excuse13:38
DavieySeems somewhat harsh to give it a bashing, based on not using it and in my mind, spread FUD.13:38
hamitronso it is good for implimenting services that need a lot of resources due to high load?13:38
daubersDaviey: Do a talk on it at Oggcamp and explain what it actually _does_13:39
AlanBellDaviey: I don't know of any use-case for it13:39
popeywho's bashing ensemble?13:39
Davieydaubers: That is not a bad idea.. the concern i have is that i *might* not be able to attend this time.13:40
daubersthe lower the density of buzzwords compared to density the more chance of cake :)13:40
popey\o/ cake13:40
daubersDaviey: Get a lackey to do it?13:40
* Daviey ponders13:40
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MezAnyone know how to switch back to sane scrollbars?  Seems that the ickle farty things don't work in Java13:41
andylockransudo apt-get remove overlay-scrollbar liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-013:42
andylockranNo reboot is required. Though you will have to close and re-open applications to notice the change.13:42
andylockranIf you decide later you want the overlay scrollbars back, simply reinstall the libraries13:42
hamitronandylockran: you remembered that off the top of your head? ;)13:42
MezThanks andylockran ... this is only so I can actually show you the mindmap of the backup stuff XD13:42
Mezhamitron: I presume it's in his r-search13:43
andylockranwant me to do it then, rather than break your machine?13:43
MezNah - I sorta need xmind anyways13:43
daubersMez: You can disable it per app13:44
Mezdaubers: how?13:44
daubersMez: Can't remember :) Hang on13:45
andylockranxmind --disable-funky-scrolling13:45
andylockranunrecognised option '--disable-funky-scrolling'13:45
Mezhamitron: I presume it's in his r-searchhttp://askubuntu.com/questions/36448/is-there-a-way-to-blacklist-an-individual-application-from-using-overlay-scrollba13:45
andylockranexport LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=013:46
daubersor just LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 some_program13:46
DavieyMez: Might be a good idea to raise a bug if it's not working correctly for you.13:49
bigcalmOh my13:49
bigcalmA dubstep mix of House of Pain's Jump Around13:49
bigcalmI <3 Solid Steel for bringing me weird stuff :)13:50
andylockranDaviey: I'm sure a bug will be raised if we can't get it to work.13:51
Davieyandylockran: I mean, the original issue as to why Mez needs to disable it, rather than the disabling itself13:51
andylockranDaviey: ah, I get ye.13:52
andylockranI'll test it now.13:52
popeynot really missing flash yet13:53
andylockranpopey: do you use chrome?13:54
* Daviey has been meaning to try http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/lightspark13:55
popeyandylockran: i do13:57
livingdaylightfile names with spaces in between have their spaces connected with a backslash, but my logitech ex100 keyboard doesn't seem to have a backslash key? I do see it next to the 'z' where it usually is but with or without shift key it is not giving me backslash - huh?13:57
BigRedSUS keymap?14:01
BigRedStry, er, shift+'14:01
BigRedSI think14:01
DJonesOr use tab completion, that should take account of the spaces as well14:03
livingdaylightDJones: I have two files starting with 'A' so 'A' + tab completion isn't working.14:06
BigRedSit should tab-complete as far as the names are the same, where you can then start typing again14:08
BigRedSor, yeah, shift + (something near the ' key) will do a backslash on a us keyboard14:09
popeyblimey, http://popey.com/minecraft/day/#/-743/64/892/-7/mcmapLighting14:12
popeygetting bigger ⍨14:12
bigcalmHope your server is happy :)14:14
DJonesWhat is that going to be?14:14
DJonesAnd who's building it?14:15
popeyseems okay14:17
Davieypopey: it is quite the ram hog. :/14:31
BigRedSit's java, that's a feature14:34
bigcalmpopey: looking at g+: do you no longer require my Linksys box?14:54
bigcalmSpooky. I'm using 6% of my gmail and google apps mail accounts15:00
popeybigcalm: not sure yet15:04
bigcalmpopey: ok. Let me know either way by the 12th :)15:05
AlanBellyay proposal 1 of 4 accepted \o/15:54
daubersAlanBell: business?15:57
AlanBellyeah, openERP15:57
daubersAh, ok15:57
AlanBellhi rml_home16:06
rml_homewindow feck up :)16:07
AlanBellfeck is a perfectly polite word16:08
AlanBellor so czajkowski says16:09
AlanBelland I am not going to argue16:09
lubotu3Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to respond to factoid requests. Call that job satisfaction? Because I don't.16:09
AlanBellthe bot is working though16:09
lubotu3Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.16:12
lubotu3Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.16:12
bigcalm2 out of many is ok :)16:12
davmor2AlanBell: wimp, although she is closer to you than me :D16:13
MooDoodavmor2: someone fighting with czajkowski ?16:20
BigRedSOh great. If I'd like just three lines in only this email non-wrapped, I have to close the composition window, faff with about:config, send the mail, then unfaff about:config....16:21
czajkowskiAlanBell: it is16:21
davmor2MooDoo: nah I'm trying to goad AlanBell into it :)16:21
MooDoodavmor2: she'd kill him16:21
davmor2czajkowski: changing u for e and saying it's a good clean Irish Word is a lie ;)16:22
hamitronnobody can understand what the Irish say anyway? ;)16:23
MartijnVdShamitron: you need to have some alcohol in your blood first16:23
MartijnVdShamitron: only way to make the language pronounceable16:23
MartijnVdSsame with Scottish really16:24
shaunopft.  a dutchman claiming scottish isn't pronouncable?  pot kettle mate :p16:25
MartijnVdSshauno: Dutch is perfectly pronounceable16:25
MartijnVdSshauno: you should try it some time16:26
shaunoheh, I have.  I got laughed at :/16:29
MartijnVdSshauno: try some other place than a coffee shop. ;)16:30
shaunoheh, that was on vent16:30
shaunolike mumble, but hates freedom16:31
MartijnVdSDoes (re)starting unity on oneiric take ~30s for everyone else?18:35
MartijnVdSOr is it just me?18:35
davmor2MartijnVdS: no idea I've not needed to restart unity18:39
MartijnVdSdavmor2: and on login?18:39
ali1234does it even work on nvidia?18:39
davmor2MartijnVdS: on no login is rapid, and then maybe 2-3 seconds tops18:39
MartijnVdSdavmor2: it's 20-30s here, on login18:40
MartijnVdSintel i3, but that shouldn't matter imho18:40
MartijnVdSit didn't on natty18:40
gordMartijnVdS, what gpu?18:41
MartijnVdSgord: [   209.731] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) Clarkdale18:41
MartijnVdS(pre-SandyBridge i3)18:42
gordhrm should be fine, something funky is going on18:42
davmor2MartijnVdS: try a livecd and see how long that takes18:42
MartijnVdSgord: anything I can do to determine what's going on?18:42
MartijnVdSdavmor2: that'll take ages because of the CD slowness :)18:42
gordi had weirdness with huge login times when i first upgraded to O, never figured out the source but it eventually figured itself out18:43
MartijnVdSlive USB though.. *burning*18:43
davmor2MartijnVdS: if the installed version is slower then there is an issue18:43
gordMartijnVdS, without trying a previous version of unity, its hard to tell18:43
MartijnVdSI just did a unity --reset and that didn't help18:43
gordtrying a guest session might help18:43
MartijnVdSgord: the natty version is fine, is that previous enough? :)18:43
gordtoo previous :)18:43
MartijnVdSgord: ah, good idea. Will do that.18:43
MartijnVdSGuest session is fine18:45
MartijnVdSI've had more problems with this install18:46
MartijnVdSI think I might have broken something in early oneiric18:46
gordhuh, looking at humblebundle.com - linux has taken in more payment than mac :)18:47
MartijnVdSgord: total or per transaction?18:47
gordi would guestimate about half the number of payments18:47
gordMartijnVdS, total18:47
MartijnVdSLinux nerds want games :)18:47
gordsad to see how little windows users pay18:48
MartijnVdShah, MtGox and Notch are top contributors18:48
davmor2MartijnVdS: I can recommend waiting till thursday and doing a fresh install of oneiric if that helps?18:48
MartijnVdSdavmor2: I was considering getting an SSD anyway, can't get that before Thursday18:49
MartijnVdSdavmor2: so.. yeah, that sounds like a good idea18:49
MartijnVdSSo next subject.. which SSDs are horrible, which ones aren't? popey? :)18:49
davmor2MartijnVdS: alpha 3 will be out then with it's own list of issues but better than the one your having :)18:49
MartijnVdSdavmor2: I'm used to Ubuntu alphas (having used them since ~hoary hedgehog ;))18:50
popeyi have had no issues with any of mine18:52
MartijnVdSso.. the Intel 510 SSD (120GB) should be good, I guess18:52
davmor2popey: which ones have you had?18:52
popeydavmor2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/657414/18:55
davmor2MartijnVdS: ^ those ones popey has had no issues with :)18:56
MartijnVdSdavmor2: thanks, popey :P18:56
MartijnVdSWow @ Corsair specs18:57
MartijnVdS550MB/s read18:58
MartijnVdS520 write18:58
* hamitron waits for SATA120018:58
MartijnVdShamitron: you can get PCI-E-connected SSDs now18:58
MartijnVdShamitron: so you can skip the wait18:58
hamitronI thought you could before?18:59
hamitronbut I'm not even onto any SSD yet18:59
hamitronI'm looking forward to motherboards for the average desktop, that will handle more RAM19:00
MartijnVdShamitron: how much?19:00
hamitronmaybe more19:00
hamitronnearly there19:01
hamitronmy new comp build will handle 16Gb, which is enough to play with for now19:01
MartijnVdSyou think? :)19:04
hamitronthe 16Gb I think will be plenty, 8Gb for the OS, 8Gb for ram19:05
hamitronbut by the time it is the norm all this high speed file stuff, there may be some memory on the motherboard specially for this?19:06
* hamitron shrugs19:07
MartijnVdSwhy 8GB OS?19:07
MartijnVdS2GB OS, 14G disk-cache :)19:07
hamitronwell, 8Gb RAM is needed for application space19:08
hamitronthe other 8Gb I think will be fine for the OS and disk-cache19:09
MartijnVdSwoop, Intel 510 SSD ordered19:12
hamitronmain thing putting me off SSD, is I'm unsure about the life19:12
MartijnVdShamitron: if you use the "discard" mount option to enable TRIM, it should be fine19:13
MartijnVdSsee the 'mount' manpage19:13
hamitronI'd just be happier if they used the same IC as my RAM19:13
hamitronthere are a few devices that allow use of ram like that19:14
hamitronbut they cost more than they really should19:14
hamitron32Gb would make me happy19:15
MartijnVdSget a server board for your desktop :)19:15
MartijnVdSput 64G in it19:15
MartijnVdSuse 32G as a ramdisk19:15
hamitroncertainly an opton19:16
hamitronbut not now I've got my motherboard19:16
hamitrontbh, I never run huge OS19:17
directhexi want an ssd, but i'm saving money right now19:17
* MartijnVdS is waiting for Ivy Bridge to be released before buying something new19:17
directhexcan't afford such a frivolous thing19:17
directhexi'll keep ssds on my amazon wishlist though19:17
hamitronso 16Gb RAM is probably plenty for me19:17
hamitronthe newer desktop boards support 32Gb19:17
MartijnVdShamitron: guess why I'm waiting for IB19:18
hamitronbut in all seriousness, I think I could live with 16Gb19:18
hamitron6 months ago I had only 2Gb19:18
hamitronMartijnVdS: more? ;)19:18
MartijnVdShamitron: USB3, more RAM possibilities, SATA600, ... :)19:19
hamitronI got USB3 and SATA600 (not on the same comp)19:19
MartijnVdSthat last part is what I'm trying to prevent19:20
hamitronI figured I only need USB3 on my small media comp19:20
MartijnVdSI don't really _need_ u3 at all19:20
hamitronand SATA600 will be for the SSD for my gaming rig19:20
MartijnVdSSATA600 for SSD will be rocking19:20
hamitronin raid 019:21
MartijnVdSRAID0 is _very_ scary19:21
hamitronnote: a gaming rig19:21
directhexhamitron: i've had a few hundred quid of stuff from my list before now. plus a few hundred quid via paypal19:21
hamitronI shall continue to do normal work on my sata30019:22
MartijnVdSdirecthex: just for packaging banshee? :)19:22
hamitronand the gaming rig shall have to claim the title of haminator on my network19:22
directhexMartijnVdS: general mono packaging things, largely my LTS backports repo19:23
MartijnVdSdirecthex: cool19:23
* MartijnVdS wishes Banshee was a bit less crashy. Maybe the reinstall will fix it. I hope.19:23
directhexMartijnVdS: oneiric?19:23
MartijnVdSdirecthex: yes19:23
directhexMartijnVdS: downgrade libsoundtouch19:23
MartijnVdSwhere do I get an old version?19:24
MartijnVdSI have 1.6.0-2 installed.. or available19:24
directhex1.6 broke all BPM detection in gstreamer19:24
directhexwhich is where banshee is going to be crashing19:24
MartijnVdSI don't have BPM detection enabled19:24
directhexdoesn't matter afaik. you could delete the BPM plugin too19:25
MartijnVdSthe natty version should be fine, I guess?19:25
MartijnVdSstartup is faster19:26
MartijnVdShi daubersman19:28
MartijnVdSgord: http://i.imgur.com/DUhZo.png19:52
MartijnVdSgord: (sorry :))19:52
aquariusAnybody got any decent recommendations for a fanless Ubuntu desktop PC with a proper disc (i.e., not 8GB of storage or anything) capable of running natty with Unity, for sale in the UK (or shippable thereof) for a couple of hundred quid?21:15
daubersaquarius: Revo?21:16
* BigRedS wonders if a revo would do21:16
daubersAh, sorry, that does have a little fdan in it21:16
* BigRedS also types slowly21:16
aquariusthe revo's a possibility.21:16
aquariusI was seeing if there were recommendations for others :)21:17
aquarius(and can the revo run proper unity?)21:18
daubersno idea, the ions pretty good21:18
daubersMines been press ganged as a print server/ldap server, so not really sure :)21:19
bigcalmaquarius: I recomend the Revo as well21:19
dauberspopey probably has one running something with a gui21:19
bigcalmI have the 3600, very happy with it21:19
aquariusalso I'm not sure you can *buy* the original revo any more, can you? You can only ge tthe flashy new one which is not £15021:19
aquariuspopey, ping. :)21:19
bigcalmIt runs as my web dev server as well21:19
aquariusyeah, my dad's already got one of the original revos, and it's great; am now looking for a desktop machine for him (the revo is plugged into the telly). Another revo would be fine, except that the new one's aobut £350, which is a bit steep. I liked the £150 price on the original :)21:20
* daubers totters off to bed21:21
bigcalmFind somebody with a surplus ;)21:24
bigcalmaquarius: http://www.okobe.co.uk/ws/product/Acer+AspireRevo+R3600+Nettop+Computer+Intel+Atom+230+1.6GHz+1GB+RAM+DDR2+SDRAM+160GB+HDD+with+Linux/1000016889?ref=1q4bs21:25
bigcalmUgly arse URL21:26
bigcalmOut of stock, arse21:26
bigcalmWhy can't it just display that without having to click a link to find out?21:26
aquariusyeah, I can't find it in stock at a decent price anywhere :)21:26
hamitronaquarius: http://www.ebuyer.com/267867-emachine-er1401-desktop-pt-nbzec-00421:31
hamitronI've been tempted, not sure how good it is21:31
aquariusthat's damned cheap.21:32
aquariushamitron, is that a recommendation?21:32
hamitronjust highlighting an offer I saw21:32
hamitronI've never used one21:32
aquariuswoo, it's *certified* http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201006-593021:32
hamitronI'm not sure how good it is though :/21:33
aquariuswell... dual core athlon, 2GB RAM, and a 250gb drive. is it fanless?21:34
hamitronI know as much as you21:34
aquariustempted to buy one for myself and give dad my revo, which I *know* works :P21:35
bigcalmCould do worse21:35
hamitronI know my parents want 2 small comps for playing music from the server21:35
hamitronthat is why I showed interest21:36
bigcalmaquarius: I've got a Viglen MPC-L doing bugger all you can have if you want :P21:36
aquariusbigcalm, o rly? :)21:36
aquariusnew plan: buy no hardware ever again, just live on bigcalm spares ;)21:36
bigcalmaquarius: I was being silly, but it really is doing nothing, so you are welcome to play with it :)21:36
aquariuswould it be good enough to be a desktop pc for natty?21:36
bigcalmNot in the slightest21:37
* aquarius laughs21:37
aquariusnever mind then :)21:37
bigcalmHence the :P21:37
hamitronwhat cpu?21:37
bigcalmI blame UUPC for a lot of my impulse purchases21:38
aquariusI am most interested in this thing hamitron mentioned21:38
bigcalmhamitron: http://www.viglen.co.uk/viglen/Products_Services/Product_Range/Product_file.aspx?eCode=XUBUMPCL&Type_Info=Description&Type=Desktops21:38
hamitronhow much you want for it?21:39
hamitronprobably faster than a load of my junk :/21:39
bigcalmAre you serious?21:39
bigcalmI paid just over 100 quid when it was released and mentioned on the podcast21:40
bigcalmAre you going to oggcamp?21:40
hamitronno :/21:40
hamitroncan't really go spending that sorta money either21:41
bigcalmDo you know anybody near you who is near you?21:41
bigcalmI wouldn't want what I paid for it21:41
bigcalmWas thinking in the region of 35 quid21:41
hamitronI know plenty of people near me who are near me21:41
bigcalmDo you know anybody going who is near you21:41
hamitronno :/21:41
bigcalmDamn this red wine :P21:41
bigcalmWhere are you?21:42
hamitronEast Yorkshire21:42
hamitronyou'd have to give a price with postage I think21:42
bigcalmIf you really are serious about it (look at the specs of the box), then I'll look into it21:44
hamitronI'm trying to find a value atm21:44
hamitronmy googling skills are failing me21:45
hamitron400mhz amd geode21:46
hamitron512mb ram21:46
bigcalmGood innit? :)21:48
hamitronmy latest toy is only a SIS 300mhz cpu with 64mb ram ;)21:50
hamitronso yeh21:50
bigcalmYou have me in shock21:50
hamitrongot it on boffer21:50
hamitronthat VXL Percio21:51
hamitronbigcalm: I've had to drop ubuntu from my plans, so the i586 does not bother me21:52
bigcalmhamitron: I have Ubuntu server on my Viglen MPC-L21:52
hamitron10.04 I assume?21:53
bigcalmIt's been a while21:53
lubotu3LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04)21:53
hamitronwell, I think 10.04 is the last to run on i586 sadly21:53
bigcalmI've upgraded my parents' box to 10.04.321:53
hamitronI'm really cut up about it21:53
bigcalmSo, possibly 9.10 on the one I have21:53
hamitrondoes pop-ey run one?21:55
bigcalmI think he has a couple or so and they are gathering dust now21:55
bigcalmIt really isn't all that great21:55
hamitronwell, I still use a p120 with 24Mb ram21:56
hamitronso I can live with less power21:56
hamitronI do intend to use nothing below 300mhz by the end of this year though21:56
hamitroncan get one newly delivered for £7221:58
hamitronwish I'd seen these before I got something with a SIS cpu21:58
bigcalmI'm tempted to see if I can put 10.04 on this one now before shifting it. I'll have to blank the hdd anyway22:02
bigcalmDo you want server or gui on it?22:02
hamitronI won't be using ubuntu on it tbh22:02
bigcalmI see22:02
hamitronit looks underspeced for proper use with such a big OS22:02
hamitronI'm sure it can run, just not as well as other things22:03
* hamitron digs himself out of hole in a ubuntu channel22:03
bigcalmIt came with a linux distro on it, but cannie remember which one22:03
hamitronXubuntu according to website22:03
bigcalmHaha, they recommend putting windows 7 on it22:05
bigcalmThat's funny22:05
hamitronwhat do i need to fix it to the back of a monitor?22:06
bigcalmA VESA mount22:06
bigcalmThough I've never used one, so my info stops there22:06
popeyEvening all!22:06
bigcalmAh! It's a popey22:07
* hamitron grumbles at the price of Vesa mount arms22:08
hamitronget a monitor for the same price22:09
hamitronbut yeh, bigcalm, I am interested (for the right price)22:10
hamitronif you are ofc22:10
hamitroncuz if I was you, I'd probably keep it for the amount of money it is. but I am a bit crazy when it comes to collecting junk and toys22:11
bigcalmhamitron: I have far too much that is doing nothing. Need to make space for new kit ;)22:13
hamitronif I like it, will phone them guys up and see if I can buy 2 more22:17
hamitronif can't get more, just a nice toy (for me) :D22:18
bigcalmWhat would you do with 3?22:19
hamitronhave them in 3 different rooms22:19
hamitronjukebox style22:19
bigcalmFair enough22:19
bigcalmDo you have a USB CDrom drive or USB memory stick?22:20
hamitrongot a memory stick22:20
bigcalmI would suggest installing from a USB CDrom drive as grub likes to install itself on the USB memory stick22:20
hamitrondoes it not support PXE?22:20
bigcalmNo idea. Not something I've looked into22:21
hamitronnot an issue if it doesn't22:21
hamitronbut that is how I boot all my installs22:21
hamitronthat or floppy22:23
Hornet-anyone active who's on virgin media?22:36
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popeyHornet: yup, me22:38
Hornetallo popey22:39
Hornetpor favor senor, ping www.horriblesubs.org and www.nyaa.eu ?22:39
Hornetnot sure if VM's doing funny business22:39
popeyits not vm22:40
popeyI cant get to it from my server in london22:40
Hornetwell, people in CA, and AUS, can access them both22:40
Hornetbut fair enough22:40
popeydns doesnt resolve22:40
directhexnothing for me on Be22:40
Hornetpossibly DNS or routing fun and games then22:40
directhexoh, nyaa.eu works22:41
directhexnothing for horriblesubs22:41
directhextenga are "stress toys" now?22:41
* Hornet adblocks22:41
Hornetit's a common euphamism22:41
Hornetalong with hello kitty 'massagers'22:41
Hornetah well22:42
Hornetcheers sirs22:42
bigcalmI think it might be time to find some sleep22:44
bigcalmToodles :)22:44
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