[04:40] <Mintal> kudus
[04:43] <Mintal> any one knows how to cook some meth?
[04:45] <orngjce223> That's not the channel for this type of query.
[04:46] <orngjce223> Now, if you wanted to get JACK set up, I'm your gal, but I don't deal with amateur chemistry.
[04:46] <Mintal> dont you mean *This is*
[04:46] <orngjce223> Heh.
[04:46] <orngjce223> Close enough, I think
[04:47] <Mintal> whats is jack?
[04:47] <Mintal> i just use rebirth
[04:48] <Mintal> you know anymore like it?
[04:48] <orngjce223> JACK (allcaps) is a sound server, sends sound from one program to another.
[04:49] <orngjce223> Designed for high performance/low latency.
[04:49] <orngjce223> Not like pulseaudio or anything like /that/. This is the real thing.
[04:49] <Mintal> so you do music?
[04:51] <orngjce223> Yeah
[04:51] <Mintal> can i install jck on my sys puter and listen to what she is doing?
[04:51] <orngjce223> This is an ubuntu+music place
[04:51] <orngjce223> Uh
[04:51] <orngjce223> You'd need to hook up to a streaming server for that
[04:51] <orngjce223> My computer's not good enough to do that right now anyway. Maybe after I get back to a full-size desktop.
[04:52] <Mintal> im using Opera
[04:52] <Mintal> http://unite.opera.com/applications/
[04:54] <Mintal> http://unite.opera.com/application/322/
[05:02] <Mintal> hey u there m8?
[05:04] <Mintal> do you wanna ear so random sonds ive made?
[05:05] <Mintal> orngjce223: ?
[05:05] <Mintal> omg he got bored
[05:06] <orngjce223> No, I'm reading. Long-form.
[05:07] <orngjce223> I like e-books, a hundred pages at a time or so.
[05:08] <Mintal> joker
[05:13] <Mintal> harry potter?
[05:13] <Mintal> lol
[05:14] <Mintal> have you read the latest
[05:17] <Mintal> so do you wnat to listen to my music?
[05:20] <Mintal> what are you doing here really?
[05:33] <Mintal> there no other living soul in here
[05:36] <Mintal> and they sai they have 1 million on ubuntu :P
[05:36] <Mintal> 1 million clones
[05:36] <Mintal> roflol
[05:43] <Mintal> who are you?
[05:43] <orngjce223> Heh. You should talk to #ubuntu, there are more people there
[05:43] <Mintal> another clone
[05:43] <orngjce223> but http://orngjce223.net/
[05:44] <Mintal> what is that ?
[05:45] <Mintal> you gona get my ip and hack me?
[05:48] <orngjce223> Heh
[05:48] <orngjce223> Just my usual. My hosting is a friend of a friend, I have to ask if I want the logs.
[05:50] <Mintal> so you the dude that makes them NFO viewers music?
[05:51] <orngjce223> No, I just do music because I have music in my head.
[05:51] <orngjce223> I'm autistic, it's kind of a thing.
[05:51] <Mintal> sure
[05:51] <Mintal> whatever
[05:52] <Mintal> i myself am a police officer
[05:54] <Mintal> i really hate this on line open society ... if people dont have to pay for stuff then there would be no robbers and i would be out of a job
[05:55] <Mintal> im gald only loony like you release free stuff
[05:55] <orngjce223> heh.
[05:56] <Mintal> im sure theres some law against it or there isnt there should be one
[05:59] <orngjce223> That's the beauty of it, though, isn't it? Read the GPL sometime. It twists your beautifully designed copyright law into a way that we can keep our culture free even with people like you around.
[06:01] <Mintal> not in my country you dont
[06:01] <orngjce223> Where do you live?
[06:02] <Mintal> some place you actually have to sell your music to live
[06:02] <orngjce223> See, that's what I don't get.
[06:02] <orngjce223> The dayjob/side hobby pattern is traditional. You don't have to sell your music to live, in fact you really shouldn't.
[06:03] <orngjce223> If you listen to pop these days? It sounds like cutting off your ears and putting them in a blender with a guitar and a drum.
[06:03] <Mintal> what you are doing is taking out my competitive edge
[06:03] <orngjce223> Because apparently a certain ratio of pureed ears to guitar bits to drum skin makes music that sells, and there are "artists" chasing after that holy grail but I can't listen to it so I do my own.
[06:05] <orngjce223> My point is, making no money has no bearing on it. If you're that much of a musician it'll come out anyway. Maybe less well-produced, maybe you have to save up for guitar strings, but if it's good, you put it up and people will listen.
[06:05] <Mintal> you should change to windows the music apps there sound much better
[06:05] <Mintal> that whatever you are using
[06:06] <orngjce223> Here, I admit it: I don't much care for using Windows. It's a silly grudge, and not even useful, but I like using Linux because I /want/ to tinker with things and nudge command lines and get things working the way I want them exactly.
[06:06] <Mintal> lol
[06:07] <orngjce223> I would rather use an incomplete DAW with no working undo button and only two export settings, knowing full well that I can just holler to the developers and they know who I am and that we're all working to make it available to more people.
[06:07] <Mintal> undo button?
[06:07] <orngjce223> LMMS.
[06:07] <orngjce223> Look it up if you care.
[06:08] <orngjce223> It works, though, and I've been mistaken for someone with hundreds of dollars to throw at DAWs.
[06:08] <Mintal> DAWs?
[06:08] <orngjce223> Digital audio workstations.
[06:08] <orngjce223> Music making programs, in essence.
[06:09] <Mintal> the one i use is free
[06:09] <orngjce223> But the reason I use it is because I have music in my head, and I give it to other people that like listening to it.
[06:10] <orngjce223> If there is a true artist writing the music, it will show. If not, well, I don't miss people who aren't in it for the art.
[06:10] <Mintal> http://www.rebirthmuseum.com/
[06:10] <Mintal> you sound like prick
[06:11] <Mintal> i guess its part of your job discriptions
[06:12] <orngjce223> No, I want to make the world better.
[06:12] <Mintal> theres even a version for the iphone but that one isnt free
[06:14] <orngjce223> TB303? There's a plugin for that, I tried using it but I prefer other sounds anyway.
[06:15] <Mintal> http://office.0prime.operaunite.com/stream/# try this
[06:16] <Mintal> is it working?
[06:16] <Mintal> is it working?
[06:16] <Mintal> is it working?
[06:17] <Mintal> is it working?
[06:17] <orngjce223> I see it.
[06:17] <orngjce223> It's a streamripper program.
[06:18] <orngjce223> And its output, by the looks of it.
[06:18] <Mintal> you dont make sence
[06:19] <orngjce223> On the contrary, I'm making perfect sense to /myself/. Please try to understand what I am saying.
[06:20] <Mintal> is it working?
[06:20] <orngjce223> What I see, is someone who is taking down music that they could easily have bought on Amazon for ninety-nine cents with no DRM, or else email the artist and make an arrangement for the same, etc.
[06:20] <orngjce223> I'm listening to something else right now.
[06:21] <Mintal> you are full of craapo
[06:21] <Mintal> what amazon ?
[06:21] <Mintal> what drm?
[06:21] <Mintal> this is my musics you twat
[06:21] <orngjce223> Ah, okay.
[06:22] <orngjce223> I was going by README.TXT, you should probably take that down to avoid giving the wrong impression.
[06:23] <Mintal> are you listning to any?
[06:23] <orngjce223> I'm listening to the new queue I was sent the other day, actually.
[06:23] <orngjce223> http://homestuckgaiden.bandcamp.com/
[06:24] <Mintal> ok dont listen to my music
[06:25] <Mintal> fiji is the latest
[06:26] <orngjce223> Mm.
[06:26] <orngjce223> So
[06:26] <orngjce223> What point are you trying to make?
[06:27] <Mintal> did you listen to any ?
[06:27] <orngjce223> I told you earlier, I am listening to something else.
[06:27] <orngjce223> It will not finish for at least another hour, judging by the timestamps.
[06:28] <Mintal> lol
[06:29] <orngjce223> Excuse me, but what is your point trying to talk to me about this?
[06:30] <Mintal> http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/710029/autistic-boy-labeled-cheater-by-microsoft-has-gamerscore-deleted/?page=3
[06:30] <orngjce223> Your initial point was that of, apparently free culture is nonsense because then nobody will own anything and policemen will go out of business.
[06:30] <Mintal> was that you?
[06:30] <orngjce223> No, actually.
[06:30] <orngjce223> Are you googling for "autism" in the news pile? I haven't shown up on any, I'll tell you that.
[06:31] <Mintal> why wont you listen to my songs?
[06:33] <orngjce223> I am listening to someone else's, people that I know, remixing themes that I like.
[06:33] <orngjce223> You are in the queue, but that will wait for tomorrow.
[06:34] <Mintal> but we are talking now
[06:34] <Mintal> stupid people
[06:34] <holstein> Mintal: rebirth is not open source
[06:35] <holstein> i think that is the point orngjce223 is trying to make
[06:35] <Mintal> so what?
[06:35] <orngjce223> Just because it is free /now/ doesn't mean that it will stay that way.
[06:35] <Mintal> it will
[06:35] <Mintal> ive downloaded it
[06:36] <holstein> Mintal: thats all really
[06:36] <orngjce223> Suppose it doesn't run on Windows 10; who will patch it then? Without source code, it would be easier to rewrite it from scratch.
[06:36] <Mintal> so it free for  me for ever
[06:36] <holstein> its just not open source
[06:36] <holstein> when the source is open, we are free to do with it as we please
[06:36] <Mintal> like ruinin it
[06:36] <holstein> if you liked all but one little feature, you could add that feature
[06:36] <holstein> sure, you can ruin it too if you want Mintal
[06:37] <holstein> Mintal: you dont use ubuntustudio?
[06:37] <Mintal> no
[06:37] <holstein> are you here for more information about it?
[06:37] <Mintal> i use windows
[06:37] <holstein> sure
[06:37] <holstein> thats fine
[06:37] <Mintal> because its faster that linux
[06:37] <holstein> im just trying to figure out what brings you to the channel?
[06:38] <holstein> Mintal: you probably could configure windows to be fast if you want
[06:38] <holstein> my only problem with it peronally is security
[06:38] <holstein> but, if windows works for you... go for it
[06:38] <Mintal> what security?
[06:38] <holstein> so, what brings you do the channel Mintal ?
[06:38] <Mintal> like linux has security
[06:39] <holstein> Mintal: the user account setups
[06:39] <holstein> and the security risks in running windows
[06:39] <Mintal> just like in wiondows?
[06:39] <holstein> windows out of the box is a security risk the way its configured
[06:39] <holstein> too bad really
[06:39] <Mintal> odcourse
[06:39] <holstein> not a big deal as long as you know how to administer it
[06:39] <holstein> or you dont get online with it
[06:40] <Mintal> so you have broken into my computer already?
[06:40] <holstein> the way the users accounts are setup with unix's really helps knock a lot of that down
[06:40] <holstein> Mintal: ??
[06:40] <holstein> im not trying to hack you or anyone else
[06:40] <holstein> Mintal: what brings you to the channel?
[06:40] <Mintal> so how can you say its not secure?
[06:41] <holstein> Mintal: i didnt
[06:41] <holstein> im stating facts about the configuration
[06:41] <holstein> again, if it works for you, thats great
[06:41] <Mintal> sure
[06:41] <Mintal> does it work for me?
[06:41] <holstein> the facts are... in windows typically the normal user is an administor account
[06:41] <Mintal> security wise that is
[06:41] <holstein> thats a fact, and works well for some things, but not security online
[06:42] <holstein> but, thats not what this channel is about
[06:42] <holstein> its not about bashing windows
[06:42] <holstein> its not about windows at all really
[06:42] <holstein> Mintal: what brings you to our channel?
[06:43] <Mintal> to show the musics
[06:43] <Mintal> to check if its working
[06:44] <holstein> if whats working?
[06:44] <Mintal> are you listning?
[06:44] <holstein> that opera link?
[06:44] <holstein> didnt work for me
[06:44] <holstein> link it again...
[06:44] <Mintal> http://office.0prime.operaunite.com/stream/# try this
[06:44] <Mintal> hey dont ripoff my musics
[06:45] <Mintal> try fiji
[06:45] <Mintal> its great
[06:45] <Mintal> are you listning allready?
[06:45] <holstein> yeah it works
[06:46] <holstein> flash isnt rendering all that great for me in chromium
[06:46] <Mintal> so..
[06:46] <Mintal> flash?
[06:46] <Mintal> im talking about the musics
[06:46] <holstein> your interface is in flash
[06:47] <Mintal> are you listening??
[06:47] <Mintal> what do you think?
[06:47] <holstein> sure
[06:47] <Mintal> what do you think?
[06:48] <holstein> well, im an acoustic guy really, so i dont take in much electronic stuff
[06:48] <holstein> i think its a good start
[06:48] <Mintal> thanks
[06:48] <Mintal> ive made one with guitar too
[06:48] <Mintal> but its not in there
[06:49] <Mintal> what else are you listning to?
[06:51] <holstein> i listened to a bit of digi
[06:51] <holstein> but im not on it anymore
[06:51] <Mintal> i meant fiji
[06:51] <Mintal> have you riped my songs of?
[06:52] <holstein> riped?
[06:52] <holstein> you mean stole?
[06:52] <holstein> no
[06:52] <Mintal> have you save them to your computer?=
[06:52] <holstein> nope
[06:52] <holstein> you need that tested?
[06:52] <Mintal> no
[06:53] <Mintal> you could
[06:53] <holstein> i dont need to really
[06:54] <Mintal> would rebirth work in ubuntu studio?
[06:55] <Mintal> i have fedora but its alot slower that windowsxzp
[06:55] <Mintal> and to think linux used to be faster that winxp
[06:55] <holstein> i had it working in wine
[06:55] <Mintal> lol
[06:56] <holstein> depends on your hardware really
[06:56] <holstein> and what youa re doing
[06:56] <Mintal> you used rebitrth?
[06:56] <holstein> are*
[06:56] <holstein> i used rebirth back on XP
[06:56] <holstein> and i got it running in WINE to test
[06:56] <holstein> it was easy :)
[06:56] <Mintal> o thought its was on wine
[06:57] <Mintal> fedora lags on my computer
[06:57] <Mintal> and now nokia ruined KDE
[06:57] <Mintal> new KDE sucks
[06:57] <Mintal> and its slow
[06:57] <Mintal> the older one was fast
[06:58] <holstein> well, i dont use KDE, but nokia doesnt have much to do with it
[06:59] <Mintal> new KDE is just like the older only slowers
[06:59] <holstein> interesting perspective
[06:59] <holstein> have you actually looked at KDE4?
[06:59] <holstein> it looks pretty slick
[06:59] <holstein> i think it lags on my hardware, but thats not really what the goal is
[07:00] <holstein> KDE4 is about the most modern looking DE ive seen
[07:00] <Mintal> yes kde 4.6
[07:00] <holstein> doesnt work for me though
[07:00] <Mintal> why?
[07:00] <holstein> doesnt fit my needs
[07:00] <Mintal> kde 3.5 looks just has good
[07:00] <holstein> theres quite a bit of difference i find
[07:01] <holstein> i think 4.x looks more slick, but 3.x is fine too
[07:01] <holstein> still not for me though
[07:01] <Mintal> why?
[07:01] <holstein> i dont like it
[07:01] <orngjce223> http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ That's 3.x being patched pretty much as long as they can keep developers, which should be a while.
[07:02] <holstein> orngjce223: ive heard about that... im wondering what'll be like that for gnome 2.x
[07:02] <holstein> orngjce223: you running XFCE?
[07:03] <orngjce223> Yeah
[07:03] <holstein> im going to soon
[07:03] <holstein> im still on lucid+gnome :)
[07:03] <holstein> http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ is down for me
[07:04] <orngjce223> The thing with XFCE is that it's on gtk2 which is tied fairly closely to gnome, so that's a long-term problem.
[07:04] <holstein> looks down for everyone :/
[07:04] <orngjce223> But it will do.
[07:04] <orngjce223> Ah
[07:04] <holstein> maybe they ran out of steam
[07:04] <orngjce223> maybe tomorrow,
[07:04] <orngjce223> yeah
[07:04] <Mintal> my hardwear dosnt like linux
[07:04] <orngjce223> I'm actually wondering if I should jump ship to the even less popular LXDE or something like that
[07:04] <holstein> but, thats the thing about open projects
[07:05] <holstein> if orngjce223 and I want, we can download KDE 3.x and do with it as we please... roll it into a custom distro
[07:05] <Mintal> LXDE is good
[07:05] <holstein> Mintal: i always miss something in there
[07:05] <holstein> nice and light though
[07:05] <holstein> AVlinux uses LXDE
[07:05] <holstein> and peppermint OS
[07:05] <holstein> i like both of those projects
[07:06] <Mintal> LXDE=WINXP
[07:06] <holstein> yeah?
[07:06] <holstein> theres that one WM that looks like XP or older windows
[07:06] <holstein> i never really thought of them being all that similar
[07:08] <Mintal> you can get an app luncher in LXDE and have XFCE AND WINXP UIs
[07:08] <holstein> well, its linux
[07:08] <holstein> you can do what you want.... its all open
[07:08] <_guitarman_> yup you can do anything
[07:08] <holstein> if its not there, you can build it :)
[07:09] <Mintal> LOL
[07:09] <Mintal> im nuts_?
[07:09] <holstein> nuts?
[07:09] <_guitarman_> yup - you can build a spaceship os
[07:09] <holstein> for wanting your system to look like XP?
[07:09] <_guitarman_> and rocket to the moon
[07:09] <Mintal> sure
[07:09] <holstein> hey, if thats what you like, go for it
[07:09] <_guitarman_> Mintal: there were distros that skinned like winxp-  red flag linux was one of them
[07:10] <orngjce223> Oh, also this: http://ubuntu.online02.com/node/14
[07:10] <holstein> _guitarman_: what was that WM that was very windows-y
[07:10] <holstein> puppy had it...
[07:10] <holstein> JVwm?
[07:10] <holstein> something like that
[07:10] <_guitarman_> icewm
[07:10] <_guitarman_> old skool
[07:10] <_guitarman_> joes window manager
[07:10] <_guitarman_> jwm
[07:10] <_guitarman_> .g icewm winxp
[07:10] <holstein> yeah... didnt feel totally like it, but it looked similar
[07:11] <orngjce223> Well, there's always the command line. :P
[07:11] <holstein> no thelonius :/
[07:11] <orngjce223> Well, there's ubottu in here but I dunno how to use him
[07:12] <holstein> !vanilla
[07:12] <holstein> thats about all i use him for
[07:12] <holstein> !AB
[07:12] <_guitarman_> hehe
[07:12] <_guitarman_> !help
[07:12] <holstein> !help | _guitarman_
[07:12] <holstein> lol
[07:12] <orngjce223> hehehe
[07:12] <_guitarman_> hehe
[07:12] <_guitarman_> i like that
[07:13] <orngjce223> ubottu: awesome
[07:13] <_guitarman_> so you connect jack blah blah ...
[07:13] <Mintal> i dont like the xp them i use the older versiuon like win95
[07:13] <_guitarman_> what i don't get it
[07:13] <orngjce223> Hehehehe
[07:13] <_guitarman_> !help | _guitarman_
[07:13] <Mintal> its faster
[07:13] <_guitarman_> oh wow
[07:13] <holstein> you can PM the ubuntu bots and get friendly with em
[07:13] <_guitarman_> yeah
[07:14] <holstein> i need to read up on them
[07:14] <holstein> they are quite helpful
[07:14] <_guitarman_> thats curious
[07:14] <_guitarman_> this bot is different for sure
[07:14] <_guitarman_> alrighty - time to rest up - got to work tomorrow
[07:14] <_guitarman_> bbl
[07:14] <holstein> _guitarman_: o/
[07:14] <holstein> Mintal: im actually installing DOS on some boxes for a job soon
[07:14] <holstein> but, this is not really the channel for that
[07:15] <holstein> this is actually an official support channel for ubuntustudio
[07:15] <holstein> we relaxed the OT policy a bit to get a bit of a community going
[07:15] <Mintal> though luck
[07:16] <holstein> you mean tough luck?
[07:16] <holstein> whats that mean?
[07:16] <Mintal> the comunity thing
[07:16] <holstein> we acutally have quite a community
[07:16] <holstein> just not on the IRC usually
[07:16] <Mintal> sure
[07:16] <holstein> the mailing list is quite active
[07:17] <Mintal> mailing list
[07:17] <Mintal> like anyone uses that
[07:17] <holstein> yeah, thats something else you could troll... i mean join
[07:17] <Mintal> not my cake
[07:18] <Mintal> mailing list are official
[07:18] <holstein> this channel is offical as well
[07:18] <holstein> its logged
[07:18] <Mintal> cool
[07:18] <Mintal> iu hate that
[07:19] <holstein> well... that happened...
[07:22]  * orngjce223 sigh
[07:23] <orngjce223> http://i753.photobucket.com/albums/xx180/genericAnomaly/shenanigans/missingnos.gif
[07:24] <holstein> what are those twitchy little fellas orngjce223 ?
[07:24] <orngjce223> missingno!
[07:24] <orngjce223> It's supposed to be a glitch Pokemon
[07:25] <orngjce223> but I'm in some hilarious roleplay shenanigans in which they're threatening to bring down a... uh... corporation that creates games that play around with the fabric of the universe.
[07:25] <orngjce223> I mean, if it was just some random dimension being corrupted, that would be fine. But we're talking programming languages that tap into the underlying structure of reality.
[07:26] <holstein> lol
[07:26] <orngjce223> Also, playing massively overpowered reality programmers with amazing technobabble skills doesn't get old.
[07:26] <holstein> over my head im afraid
[07:26] <orngjce223> Heh.
[07:27] <orngjce223> If there's one thing that hanging out with the Linux group has taught me, it's how to string together nonsense about hand-coding assembler to ensure that the processors don't get into deadlocks and cause resource contention to... etc. etc.
[07:27] <holstein> hehe... well, enjoy
[07:27] <holstein> im out for the nite
[07:27] <orngjce223> Usually they work higher-level though. You'd be surprised how much of their "games division" revolves around their Java-analogue.
[07:27] <orngjce223> Hehe
[07:27] <orngjce223> Goodnight then