[01:12] Anyone else get two options of Xubuntu Session today? [01:12] fresh install or after running updates? [01:13] Updates [01:13] Daily live with updates that is [01:14] mr_pouit: We get two sessions now for Xubuntu after the xubuntu-default-settings update [01:14] One is the XFCE theme [01:15] file a bug for it against xubuntu-default-sessions. We will need the bug report for the qa tracker [01:16] Do you get it too though? [01:17] I haven't done any updates since the change was done [01:19] Anything you want me to put in it? LightDM has two Xubuntu Session options [01:20] And file agenst xubuntu-default-settings [01:20] yes, and add "after the upgrade to xubuntu-default-settings on 2011-08-01" [01:35] Bug 819585 [01:35] Launchpad bug 819585 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "LightDM has two Xubuntu Session options after upgrade to xubuntu-default-settings on 2011-08-01" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/819585 [01:41] Thank you [01:41] Only thank me if it's valid and helpful :P https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot?action=diff&rev2=23&rev1=22 [01:42] it's helpful [08:35] o hai [08:35] yeah, sorry, I wasn't aware of the freeze (and I received the announcement mail a few hours later) [08:36] yeah, well, default.desktop is supposed to be handled in a special way in lightdm, but apparently it's not the case if there are two xubuntu sessions :/ [09:15] I'll get th[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Ce logs tomorrow (5am now and I need sleep) [13:49] Good morning [13:49] Alpha3 images to test today. [14:17] http://pastebin.madnick.se/paste.php?id=4e3806fb0a746 [14:18] :( [14:20] Ok, this is what I made it out to look like: [14:20] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/default.png [14:21] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/default2.png [14:21] Thats using only the new config files [14:29] Are the new images complete with the lightdm config file? [14:32] no [14:33] mythbuntu images should have their new config file. ours are a bit of a mess right now [14:33] okay [14:33] https://launchpad.net/bugs/819585 now has logs from today's live session [14:33] Ubuntu bug 819585 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "LightDM has two Xubuntu Session options after upgrade to xubuntu-default-settings on 2011-08-01" [Medium,Triaged] [14:34] charlie-tca: someone uploaded a new version of gnumeric w/out goffice, if we respin xubuntu, it'll break [14:34] I sure wish they would stop doing that [14:34] Is it part of the that sync that should not have happened? [14:35] no [14:35] let's move this to -release [14:35] yes [14:37] We have an install icon on the live desktop now [14:47] micahg: bigger problem than just pulling in gwibber [14:47] bug 819614 [14:47] Launchpad bug 819614 in xfce4-indicator-plugin (Ubuntu) "xfce4-indicator-plugin pulls in lots of unnecessary packages (dup-of: 819519)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/819614 [14:47] Launchpad bug 819519 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Gwibber installed on Xubuntu/Lubuntu ISO (indicator-messages recommends)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/819519 [14:48] charlie-tca: that's due to gwibber [14:51] charlie-tca: that was a temporary work round so gwibber got on the cd it was missing, so if it isn't meant to be on xubuntu then it should be removed when it moves to the ubuntu seed but check with kenvandine [14:52] I sure like the way Ubuntu temporary workarounds make more work for us, but our workarounds have to make sure they don't touch what ubuntu needs [15:03] madnick: i like the new greetings you made :D [15:13] charlie-tca: I don't think it was done intentionally honest ;) [15:15] charlie-tca: ken is on ubuntu-devel feel free to flame him :D [15:15] charlie-tca: what does xubuntu use for twitter and stuff? [15:16] davmor2: nothing until now, now we have pidgin-microblog :) [15:17] pidgin [15:17] We have never used gwibber [15:21] charlie-tca: I've let ken know for you on #ubuntu-desktop [15:22] davmor2: he already knew as I subscribed him to the bug [15:22] Thanks [15:22] micahg: trust me I know how many bugs he is dealing with right now irc is quicker :) [15:23] davmor2: the biggest issue I see is that it also caused all of us already running oneiric to get gwibber installed too [15:23] and that is not so easy to fix by changing seeds [15:23] huh? [15:24] huh? what? [15:24] oh, wait [15:24] I forget normal people don't run aptitude :) [15:24] charlie-tca: feel free to let ken know I've done my bit and let him know that it got installed :) [15:24] yeah, people will be stuck with it [15:24] Every computer running oneiric with indicators now has gwibber and gwibber-service [15:24] unless they run apt-get autoremove [15:24] It is not removing it [15:25] charlie-tca: won't remove it until indicator-messages doesn't recommend it [15:25] charlie-tca: it won't currently they'll need to remove the recommends [15:25] See, it is not so much a matter of "fixed it to work on the Ubuntu images." [15:26] It really is much bigger than a simple "got it on the cd" [15:51] There is a big difference between an installation of oneiric and the live session now [16:02] charlie-tca: BTW, I got the list of users back when I installed unity [16:02] Yes, because lightdm has been set up specific to Ubuntu now [16:02] The provision for anyone else to use it is not there yet [16:03] charlie-tca: no, I just need to seed accountsservice if you want the list back [16:04] let's seed it then [16:04] k, after alpha3 :) [16:04] But that still won't get us a default session working right [16:04] I thought mr_pouit's upload fixed that [16:04] nope [16:04] hmmm [16:05] we now have two xubuntu sessions, one of which is ours and one is xfce defaults [16:05] neither one gives the right live session [16:05] bug 819585 [16:05] Launchpad bug 819585 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "LightDM has two Xubuntu Session options after upgrade to xubuntu-default-settings on 2011-08-01" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/819585 [16:07] but we are gaining. We now *have* a live session, and you can install from it [16:08] You just have to know to use "ubuntu" as the user name, nothing goes in password, and choose the bottom Xubuntu session [16:08] which I will put in the release notes [16:09] charlie-tca: you'll get the user list after I seed accountsservice (I wonder if it will auto-login like it should) [16:09] But that will be after alpha3 is released, right? [16:09] yep, unless you want a respin [16:10] it's alpha3, they should expect a problem or two? [16:11] your call [16:12] If we knew it would fix the multiple xubuntu session thing and the auto-login part, then I would. Otherwise, let's just wait [16:13] It isn't that hard to login now, and if you don't know what user name and password you used, maybe you should not be using oneiric. [16:35] bah, this is extremely boring [16:35] huh? [16:35] what is? [16:36] #819585 is a lightdm issue imho [16:36] (yeah, sorry, out of context) [16:37] We seem to have many bugs against lightdm now. Is there anything we can do to fix them? [16:38] We get the right session with all the pieces after installing, but the live session is really messed up [16:38] It seems to be pulling in a combination of xfce and xubuntu again [16:38] if you log in to the wrong session first [16:39] it's because lightdm takes 'default.desktop' instead of 'xubuntu.desktop' as the real session name [16:40] I get a different session when I log to the first xubuntu session, logout, then login the the second xubuntu session [16:40] so DESKTOP_SESSION=default instead of DESKTOP_SESSION=xubuntu gets propagated to the environment [16:40] much different than logging straight to the second session [16:40] and picked up by some xsession scripts [16:41] so XDG_CONFIG_DIRS end up containing /etc/xdg/xdg-default/ instead of /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu [16:41] thus the different look, because it searches for default xfce settings in the wrong folder [16:43] btw, has something been done for gnumeric? [16:43] mmh [16:44] ah, micahg uploaded goffice :) [16:44] yeah, we added goffice, so if we respin, it should be okay [16:45] mr_pouit: I sent an e-mail to the uploader of gnumeric [16:45] Should we go ahead and add accountsservice and respin to see what that fixes or breaks? [16:46] micahg: I bet he didn't know gnumeric was seeded by xubuntu =] [16:46] We have a good xubuntu live session if you login to the second session on starting the desktop cd [16:46] mr_pouit: he might not have been checking for seeded packages at all, idk, but he promised to be more careful [16:47] micahg: okay, thanks for taking care of that. I think the real issue is there's no easy way to check that... [16:47] (or, at least, easy and advertised ;D) [16:47] right, I have an open bug to write a tool that checks the tasks [16:48] which would get us 98% of the way there [16:49] I suppose anyone not reading the release notes is going to be very upset with what they get in Alpha3 [16:51] well, all previous alphas have been more or less broken because of lightdm, haven't they? [16:52] Yup [16:52] so people won't be more upset :p [16:52] ever since Ubuntu added it [16:52] true statement [16:52] It seems to be working quite well, other than getting logged in [16:53] If they insist on filing bugs for using the wrong session, we can sign them off invalid for not reading release notes? [17:09] knome: cannot directly use the "textbox" image, we can color the current one however [17:10] well, unless we make a special case theme for that only [17:21] micahg: so, the seed changes are done and will be in the next respin, gnumeric and goffice will also update? [17:21] charlie-tca: I didn't change anything yet [17:21] and it is only tuesday [17:22] let's do it and respin then [17:22] charlie-tca: what do you want me to add? accountsservice, anything else for alpha3? [17:22] We can pick up the user list, goffice, gnumeric, sudoku, what else? [17:23] mr_pouit: anything else we can do to make lightdm work? [17:23] we're stuck with gwibber unless another upload of indicator-messages happens [17:23] micahg: as far as I know, that's it [17:25] mr_pouit: depends or recommends on accountsservice (I"m think recommends) [17:26] charlie-tca: did you want xdiagnose? [17:29] sure, I think [17:29] also want pastebinit [17:30] right, but for now or after alpha 3? [17:30] oh, I guess after is fine [17:30] we are in freeze now, so we should only do what we really need, right? [17:30] * micahg thinks xdiagnose should wait as well [17:30] yep [17:31] yep, xdiagnose is not a priority [17:31] but we should be able to do gnumeric, goffice, and accountsservice [17:31] Those are big for us [17:31] k, will upload a new meta in a few minutes [17:32] I will order a respin in what, an hour? [17:32] hour and a half if I get it uploaded in the next 30 minutes [17:32] Okay, I will give it two hours then [17:33] oh, should I drop aisleriot for alpha3 or leave it broke? [17:33] They ain't gonna fix it yet, huh? [17:33] let's drop it, it will cut down on fake reports [17:34] we're waiting on a new upstream release with the license fixed [17:37] I see. Well, we can put it back when it is working, right? [17:38] madnick, can't use it with what, lightdm? [17:38] madnick, could we just add that image as some kind of background image, and add a 100% transparent box on top of it? [17:39] charlie-tca: do we need to check with skaet before I upload? [17:39] What are we uploading, just accountsservice? [17:39] no, just the meta [17:39] courtesy check, yes [17:40] or do we own our CDs [17:43] I don't think we own much, TBH [17:43] by own I mean can respin when we wnat [17:43] Got permission, go ahead, micahg [17:44] I can request the respins, but have to have them push the button [17:44] k, it'll be a few more minutes for the meta (this takes forever) [17:44] no problem [17:47] I have worked pretty hard to get Xubuntu in a position that when I request things now, I usually get it [17:48] um, I just updated it and it didn't pick up accountsservice [17:49] ah, branch scaner didn't get to it yet [17:49] okay, respin happens in 1.5 hours [17:49] all images [17:50] oops, pushed to my branch, not the main one..I hope I make it... [17:50] heh [17:51] What a deal... Just trying to really improve things, too. :) [17:53] yeah, I don't think we'll make it, one more hour most likekly [17:54] actually, I shouldn't say that, idk exactly how this all works yet [17:57] No problem. I will order the respin when you tell me everything is ready [17:58] knome: i am afraid that is not possible without modifying the greeter, it should probably be possible to use a gtk theme also, however i cannot get lightdm to do that [18:00] might be better to try that after alpha3, we just added the user list [18:01] I find it really hard to find documentation about lightdm [18:01] k, meta uploaded [18:01] madnick: that's because there is very little [18:02] madnick: have you seen http://people.ubuntu.com/~robert-ancell/lightdm/reference/ [18:02] madnick: also some good stuff in http://bobthegnome.blogspot.com/2010/07/lightdm.html [18:03] madnick: and I also have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM [18:03] Does that help at all? [18:04] It is all I seem to know of for lightdm [18:04] well, ive seen them but thanks :) [18:04] what im looking for is: [18:05] How to use a GTK theme, hm i guess that is all :P [18:05] charlie-tca: ive modified as much as i could [18:05] using the glade file, and the configs: [18:05] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/default.png [18:05] But I dont think its enough [18:06] Thanks for trying. We will need some of the broken stuff fixed too, I think [18:06] I like that [18:06] did you get the logo in the lower left to tone down? [18:07] nope, but it is scacled [18:07] charlie-tca: k, meta is building, but we missed the start of the publisher run, idk if it'll still make it in or need to wait for the next one [18:07] or lower right, I guess. [18:07] micahg: Okay, I will wait and see. Let me know when to respin. [18:08] * micahg hopes this actually helps :)( [18:08] heh, me too [18:08] Well, it has to, if we get a user name in the list [18:09] I already duped a bug report for no autologin to live session [18:10] I will go work on other things, since I know both desktop images did work [18:13] well, hopefully 2 less release notes for xubuntu :) [18:23] Every one counts! [18:30] madnick: heya [18:31] madnick: just a quick comment (might be off again for tonight pretty quickly), i think it would be cool if the box with the username etc wouldn't be plain grey, if you can tweak that that would be great. either something translucent (e.g. black shadowy half-transparent box?) or a darker color could go well with the bg-colors [18:32] ochosi: i will see what i can do :) [18:32] The problem is what layer im gonna end up adding to [18:32] madnick: okeydokey, maybe we can also start out with mockups [18:32] ochosi: have you seen the plymouth stuff? [18:32] I think you were on vacation? [18:33] yup, just retourned [18:33] so no, haven't seen that [18:33] link [18:33] ? [18:33] 1 sec [18:33] sure np [18:33] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/ [18:33] the ogg files [18:33] mainly [18:33] looks pretty sazzy :) [18:34] i like it [18:34] good [18:34] :) [18:34] the knight-rider effect can't really be transformed into something else, can it? [18:34] i mean the white bar going left and right [18:34] Well, anything can be done, we had it different before [18:34] what if it were black instead of white? [18:35] 1 sec [18:35] hm, maybe black would be strange because the logo and font are in white [18:35] ochosi: had it rebouncing before [18:35] But that was not so nice [18:35] hm, i see [18:36] maybe we can do something like a spinner? [18:36] we get no real "progress" data as we do for fsck [18:36] if you'd like [18:36] you can make something taht i can use [18:36] that would feel more natural to me [18:36] because it's "endless" [18:37] what do you need for that? [18:37] just a mockup? [18:37] yep [18:37] ok, thing i can get around to that, maybe tomorrow [18:37] or at least in the upcoming days [18:37] im not great with colors or stuff like that :( [18:37] np, what you've done up to now looks great [18:37] knome did all of the graphics [18:37] and i'm happy i'm not the only one anymore doing artwork around here :) [18:38] :P [18:38] heh, we are trying to add to the contributors :) [18:38] i meant, for this plymouth [18:39] mhm [18:39] is it normal that mouse doesn't work in lightdm? :) [18:39] no [18:39] mouse works here in it, on all images and installs [18:39] * charlie-tca has both usb only and ps/2 only mice, too [18:40] wait [18:40] charlie-tca: Can you try whether it works the same way for you than it works for me; try to add a new key shortcut, can you actually add a key combo for the command? [18:40] ochosi: i looked at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Breezy?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xubuntu_logo.png [18:40] but it was animated, was that what you had in mind? [18:40] TheSheep: no, all mice should just work in lightdm [18:40] charlie-tca: I see, disconnecting the tablet helped [18:40] Usually when mine doesn't, I have to reboot and it will [18:41] astraljava: let me try [18:41] madnick: yeah, i think there's a spinning/running mouse somewhere as a login splash-screen in xfce/xubuntu [18:42] ochosi: yep but i was told not to use it because it was old [18:42] a-ha [18:42] "old" in what way? [18:42] I dont know :P [18:42] hehe [18:42] i see [18:42] well we can talk about that again [18:43] i'm not sure it's necessary that the logo itself moves [18:43] astraljava: it added it [18:43] Let me try a fresh oneiric [18:43] madnick: a very clean circle underneath the logo/font would work as well and be cleaner in a way [18:43] charlie-tca: Okay, then it was just a glitch in my yesterday's install. [18:44] let's see what a new install [18:44] does [18:44] ochosi: :) [18:44] ochosi: is that the mouse running in the circle of friends? [18:44] we killed that logo [18:45] I loved it [18:45] do you think we should have something specific at boot/shutdown? to distingish them? [18:45] charlie-tca: ah, now i get what you mean with "old". true. [18:45] madnick: maybe, i [18:45] i'll try to think of it a bit [18:45] all of this started pretty much as i left [18:45] so i'm at square one here [18:45] :P [18:47] ochosi: you also got a vid from a real computer screen from the live cd, so you can see how it looks like with a normal resolutions [18:47] its a bit wider [18:47] astraljava: works great here on fresh install from today [18:47] ochosi: I did suggest looking at the xfce splash screens, too [18:48] They used to have a running mouse that was nice [18:48] mhm [18:49] well after having seen the bar that moves back and forth i really think we should go for something else there [18:49] be it a running mouse or a spinner [18:49] madnick: yeah thanks, i looked at all the stuff there now. great you put that together! [18:49] I can agree with that. Maybe give it some thought [18:50] yeah, i'm pretty sure we'll come up with something nice [18:50] micahg: do we know anything yet? [18:51] ubuntu just started a full respin, so it will be a while for us now. [18:52] is there some special purpose for the thick lines in the accessability and shutdown icon things? [18:53] in lightdm [18:53] charlie-tca: Right, will have to try again tomorrow, then. Thanks! [18:56] madnick: carry over of the icons used by Untiy [18:57] s/untiy/unity and Ubuntu [18:57] okay [18:57] It should be changable for us. [18:57] it is [18:57] its stock icons [18:58] set in the glade file [18:58] But I really wonder, if this is what they call "themable" [18:58] seems worse than gdm [18:59] oh.. i forgot to talk to the developer :( [19:01] heh, and another person finds the changes made by Ubuntu miserable to work around [19:07] charlie-tca: it's not the changes Ubuntu make, it's the lack of changes you guys make honest ;) /me counts to 3 before hearing charlie-tca's head explode [19:07] charlie-tca: I think we're good [19:07] Okay, thanks, micahg [19:07] will go for the respin now [19:08] davmor2: honest, lightdm worked great for a week before Ubuntu touched it [19:10] charlie-tca: I blame the lightdm-gtk-greeter or whatever it is called, I can't even change to the unity-greeter and without it lightdm doesn't go at all :( I liked the unity-greeter too it was nice [19:11] Well, glad I ain't the only one fighting it :) [19:12] Maybe it is just easy to blame Ubuntu. It can't all be their fault, right? [19:13] Besides, it really is Ubuntu that allowed Xubuntu to exist at all! [20:22] charlie-tca: I'll be afk for several hours, but will check backscroll later tonight [20:25] Thanks, micahg [21:10] gah, i wish we used the webkit engine :P just tried some stuff out, its wonderful :D [21:16] seems thats deleted from oneiric? [21:25] probably. There have been many changes in the last week or two. [21:37] i give up for tonight :P when is the next meeting? [21:37] sorry for asking that, forgot there is a website [21:38] It's also in the topic [21:39] August 8 [21:40] :) [22:22] Does GTK3 break something in Xubuntu? [22:23] Reason Im asking is [22:23] http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/unity.png [22:24] Is very possible, if we had GTK3 [22:24] Xfce uses GTK2, but I think we may ship with both? The theme will support it anyway [22:25] oh sweet :) [22:25] Don't know why Ubuntu hardcoded the Ubuntu fonts and Ubuntu logos into the source [22:26] Wait for another to make sure. Because it's Ubuntu :P [22:27] hehe, its also written in Vala :P [22:28] But Vala is easy, sorta like C# [22:28] madnick: gtk3 should not bread anything [22:28] I got a little check when i saw string? [22:28] "string?" :) [22:28] But then i got the reference and saw what it meant [22:29] charlie-tca: im sorry, "bread", im not familar with the expression :( [22:29] madnick: gtk3 should not break anything [22:29] sorry [22:30] keyboard got confused [22:30] sorry, i truly did not understand, i wasnt correcting you [22:31] no problem. spelling errors happen [22:31] But do we want a theme like this one? [22:31] Its already running on my machine, so it works [22:32] gtk3 should work, but there is apparently a difference in graphics in gtk2 and gtk3 [22:32] okay, because, without writing a greeter [22:33] We cannot do much things [22:33] And if this works, then its very good [22:33] Write a greeter if you need to, we can have one named xubuntu-greeter, can't we? [22:34] or do things the easiest way [22:34] yep we can, but if we want the unity greeter is pretty nice imo [22:34] mr_pouit does not plan to put gtk3 on the cd if we don't have to. [22:36] hm, difficult this :P [22:36] okay [22:36] Ill ask ochosi and knome if they have inputs [22:36] and if they really like to do something [22:36] wot? [22:36] I could costumize the greeter to do it? [22:37] knome: about the art to use [22:37] I know what you said last night [22:37] mmh [22:37] But that is not really 100% possible with the GTK default greeter [22:37] bah. :) [22:38] The functionallity of the unity greeter is nice imo [22:53] Hehehe... costumize. :) I like that. [22:54] charlie-tca: gtk3 is already on the CD [23:07] oops [23:08] madnick: apparently, my information was bad. gtk3 is on the cd, so you can use it [23:08] we don't want GNOME3 :) [23:09]