[00:03] <Ian_Corne> bjsnider: imo, empathy looks very ugly atm on 11.10
[00:03] <Ian_Corne> ooh my battery icon is back :D
[00:04] <bjsnider> empathy is at least integrated well with gnome
[00:04] <Ian_Corne> And it's not starting properly atm.. hmrf :p
[00:05] <Ian_Corne> ah a nautilus update
[00:05] <Ian_Corne> anyone got a ATI 6XXX card here?
[00:07] <Ian_Corne> hmm empathy does launch properly when I launch it from commandline...
[00:07] <Ian_Corne> and also from the menu now
[00:11] <Ian_Corne> anyone know the reason why x updates doesn't have the latest version of fglrx for natty but does for 11.10?
[00:11] <Ian_Corne> and does it work with 11.10 yet?
[00:11] <charlie-tca> yeah, we just added it to oneiric, so people will have it by default in Xubuntu
[00:12] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: ^  ^
[00:12] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I saw pidgin-twitter last cycle
[00:13] <charlie-tca> plugins have been there, but not installed with pidgin for us. Oneiric, we will install the plugin.
[00:13] <Ian_Corne> oh wait, 11.10 also has the older driver in x-updates..
[00:26] <Ian_Corne> err ctrl+tab is something too now?
[00:26] <Ian_Corne> because that used to be switching tabs in browser..
[00:32] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: AHHH
[00:33] <bjsnider> Ian_Corne, there is al ack of manpower to add things to x-updates
[00:33] <bjsnider> i am basically the only one who has time
[00:33] <bjsnider> and i don't have time either
[00:33] <bjsnider> i can only update the blobski
[00:34] <Ian_Corne> ok
[00:35] <bjsnider> it's BUGabundo's fault for sending in too many bug reports
[00:35] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[00:36] <BUGabundo> this is the cicle I've sent less
[00:36] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: I had to disable compiz unity plugin
[00:36] <BUGabundo> still haven't set compiz to how I like it cause of that
[00:36] <Ian_Corne> I'm running unity
[00:36] <Ian_Corne> so..
[01:01] <BUGabundo> Chromium using 1,878,204k
[01:01] <BUGabundo> Firefox 626,660k
[01:01] <BUGabundo> WOW
[01:03] <charlie-tca> \o/
[01:18] <Daekdroom> Ian_Corne, Crtl+tab is the new window switcher, but while it's not ready yet it's mapped to crtl+tab
[01:18] <Daekdroom> instead of alt+tab
[01:20] <BUGabundo> fail
[01:21] <BUGabundo> user super+tab
[01:21] <BUGabundo> :P
[01:34] <BUGabundo> nite folks
[01:35] <charlie-tca> Good night, BUGabundo
[01:45]  * mendred has gone fishing: Gone away for now
[03:01] <aroman> How can I hide the desktop icons on Oneiric?
[03:01] <aroman> The gconf key that used to work is nonexistant
[03:01] <aroman> and I can't find a dconf counterpart.
[03:09] <jbicha> aroman: try dconf org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons
[03:10] <jbicha> or install gnome-tweak-tool
[03:11] <aroman> jbicha: well
[03:11] <aroman> that definitely got rid of the icons
[03:11] <aroman> but it also made the entire background just ghost all of my windows
[03:11] <aroman> making it max out cpu etc
[03:11] <aroman> so it sounds like a bug
[03:11] <aroman> the dconf setting I mean
[03:13] <aroman> kind of frightening how buggy everything is considering we're 2 days away from A3
[05:09] <tayyab> what is new in ubunut 11.10
[05:09] <tayyab> ?
[08:33] <alvin> Where can I find Kubuntu 11.10 alpha-2? This http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/11.10/ is empty
[08:35] <cortex|sk> alvin "Kubuntu images will not be available for Alpha 2. " https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Alpha2#Kubuntu
[08:36] <alvin> Oh, ok. Thanks
[08:37] <alvin> And no alpha1 either. I didn't look there. It said on http://www.kubuntu.org that KDE 4.7 packages were ready for 11.10 so I assumed some image must have been there too.
[09:31] <Ian_Corne> thank daekdroom
[09:31] <Ian_Corne> who is not here
[12:40] <kroson> hi people im using ubuntu oneiric updated right now
[12:40] <kroson> there is a gnome option in gdm, but it doesnt launch
[12:40] <kroson> what is it for?
[12:42] <jbicha> kroson: it's for Gnome Shell if you have that installed
[12:43] <kroson> jbicha: will it be installed by default on ubuntu 11.10 final?
[12:43] <kroson> or we will only have unity 3d and unity 2d?
[12:43] <jbicha> no, just Unity 3D & Unity 2D are on the CD
[12:43] <kroson> jbicha: even for final version?
[12:44] <jbicha> if you happened to have Gnome Shell or gnome-panel or whatever installed before, it would be updated though if you did an upgrade
[12:44] <jbicha> kroson: yes, there is not enough room for everything on the CD, but Gnome Shell & other desktops are available for easy install
[12:44] <jbicha> in the repositories
[12:45] <kroson> jbicha: so there is no longer a way to have 2 panel gnome like in 11.04 and before?
[12:45] <jbicha> kroson: that's not true, it's just not installed by default
[12:46] <jbicha> install gnome-panel
[12:46] <jbicha> It's the Gnome Fallback session and is an updated version of the Gnome 2 interface
[12:47] <kroson> jbicha: is unity going to have customization like gnome 2 before?
[12:47] <kroson> im really trying to enjoy it
[12:47] <jbicha> could you be more specific about what customization you want?
[12:48] <jbicha> some things are customizable; others aren't, but it's definitely not the same as Gnome 2
[12:49] <kroson> and there are some things i do like in unity, but seems to lack polish :S
[12:49] <kroson> jbicha: is it better than gnome 3's shell?
[12:50] <kroson> because i haven't tried that one yet
[12:50] <kroson> will try it now lol
[12:52] <jbicha> you'll have to decide that for yourself, there are very strong opinions about which is better, whether the change is awesome or horrible
[12:53] <kroson> jbicha: what do you use by the way?
[12:53] <jbicha> they have a lot in common
[12:53] <jbicha> these days I'm using Gnome Shell mostly
[12:54] <jbicha> either desktop will take some time to learn how it works
[12:56] <kroson> jbicha: thanks :)
[12:56] <jbicha> by the way, if you install gnome-shell, you'll want to install gnome-themes-selected too
[12:57] <jbicha> it's a packaging bug that it doesn't depend on that
[12:57] <kroson> jbicha: are there any themes for unity?
[12:57] <kroson> thats the thing it seems to lack :S
[12:58] <jbicha> Unity is not completely themable
[12:58] <jbicha> also there are very few GTK3 themes which both Unity & Gnome Shell require now
[12:59] <kroson> tks :)
[13:04] <kroson> jbicha: whats that package tnome-themes-selected for? it talks about the gnome 2 desktop
[13:04] <jbicha> oops, gnome-themes-standard is what you want
[13:04] <jbicha> it contains the Adwaita theme for Gnome Shell since Ambiance/Radiance don't fully support GS
[13:05] <jbicha> gnome-themes-selected is basically obsolete
[13:05] <kroson> yea, thats what i thought
[13:05] <kroson> will test it now, brb
[13:43] <man> hello i have ubuntu 11.10 alpha 2 with gnome-shell 3.1.3 installed ,i have a problem with themeSelector extension,when i go to the "themes" tab i don't see any themes available,here is a screenshot: http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=3nerg77xvr2qrzn&thumb=6
[13:45] <man> anyone here?
[13:51] <khamer> Hey trying to get my Logitech BT (though I don't need to run it in BT mode) keyboard to work, it shows a BT Mini-Receiver in lsusb but a hcitool scan returns "Device is not available; No such device"
[13:52] <khamer> I'm actually not even convinced that the bluetooth service is running
[14:21] <erle-> will ubuntu +1 have gnome 3.2?
[15:40] <dgfger> why oneiric is so fail?
[15:40] <Pici> Because its an alpha?
[15:40] <om26er> yeah
[15:41] <dgfger> it cannot be alpha 2 months before release
[15:41] <charlie-tca> why not?
[15:42] <yofel> dgfger: erm, alpha3 release is tomorrow, so it is very much alpha
[15:42] <charlie-tca> We have not put out an alpha3 yet, and beta won't be for another month
[15:42] <Pici> !schedule
[15:43] <dgfger> even nAUTILus crashes :(
[15:43] <yofel> I think someone mentioned that, did you file a bug?
[15:43] <IdleOne> alpha software tend to be buggy
[15:43] <IdleOne> tends*
[15:44] <mobidyc> does oneiric will come with the 3.0 linux kernel ?
[15:44] <IdleOne> yes
[15:44] <mobidyc> great, I need to imprve my brtfs slices ;)
[15:46] <dgfger> because your distro is 'alpha' doesn't mean that upstream stable gnome became alpha too
[15:47] <IdleOne> true but they kinda depend on each other
[15:47] <IdleOne> if 1 is "broken" the other probably won't work properly
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Normally, if you need something stable, using the development is not recommended
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Normally, if you need something stable, using the development release is not recommended
[15:52] <dgfger> i would but unity shell in natty is unusable and apparently won't get updates
[15:55] <yofel> define unusable, and again, did you file bugs about your issues?
[15:56] <dgfger> there's hundreds open bugs about unity
[15:56] <dgfger> 778 to be precise
[15:56] <yofel> and thousands about the rest of ubuntu. Are all the issues that you have reported there? If not they're unlikely to get ever fixed
[15:59] <dgfger> but it's not important right now
[15:59] <dgfger> what's important is that I have difficulties connecting to local network which I had in previous ubuntus
[16:00] <yofel> wired or wireless?
[16:00] <dgfger> wired of course, windows network
[16:00] <yofel> ah, you mean samba, can't help there
[16:33] <om26er> what should i install to get base kde i dont want to install the whole kubuntu-desktop package
[16:34] <om26er> yofel, ^ :)
[16:36] <yofel> try with kde-workspace, plasma-widget-networkmanagement, phonon-backend-gstreamer, plasma-desktop and maybe kdeplasma-addons
[16:37] <yofel> kubuntu-default-settings would be a good idea too
[16:37] <yofel> and kde-window-manager
[16:37] <yofel> om26er: that *should* give you a working desktop I hope
[16:38] <om26er> yofel, downloading now
[16:38] <yofel> om26er: maybe dolphin too
[17:37] <dgfger> where I report bug about vt?
[19:06] <antihero> Hey guys. lately my system will seem slow so I'll open up htop and see that there are several Google Chrome processes that are maxing out my CPU. They don't appear to be related to any tabs etc, because killing them doesn't affect my active Chrome window.
[19:07] <antihero> seems to be when opened by a 3rd party app such as musicbrainz picard
[19:15] <sdimkov> so next alpha comes out tomorrow huh ?
[20:08] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[20:11] <wolter> does anybody know how to remove certain users from the login screen list?
[20:11] <wolter> I get users like proxy in the list
[20:12] <BUGabundo> you shouldn't
[20:12] <BUGabundo> have you changed any of the user lists?
[20:13] <BUGabundo> what login manager and DM are you using wolter?
[20:13] <wolter> BUGabundo, not while conscious :/ is there some file I can check?
[20:13] <wolter> BUGabundo, gdm
[20:26] <Poopity> Yes hello
[21:50] <burner> anyone out there able to help me get nvidia drivers working again?  I can use nouveau, but as soon as I change to nvidia in my xorg.conf and restart x, I get no dm
[21:51] <burner> i tried "sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-current" to no avail
[21:52] <LukeL> add nv.modeswitch=0 to your kernel line
[21:53] <burner> I have to reboot then presumably?
[21:53] <LukeL> yeah
[21:53] <burner> werd... this something new because of linux 3.0?  or something I did wrong?  just curious
[21:54] <LukeL> something i ran into awhile ago experiencing the same problem
[21:54] <LukeL> not too sure of why
[21:55] <burner> so where do I add this to my kernel line other than manually in grub when I boot?
[21:55] <LukeL> sorry it's nouveau.modeswitch=0
[21:55] <LukeL> you would add it to your /etc/default/grub.cfg
[21:55] <LukeL> then update-grub
[21:56] <burner> aww..  I was looking all over /boot
[21:56] <LukeL> also, linux 3.0 is just a numbers game, there's nothing really big changing hehe
[21:57] <burner> so i've heard, but it was just a thought that maybe some script was looking for 2.x blah blah... whatever... I'm rebooting... wish me luck... and thanks!
[21:57] <LukeL> oh and its /etc/deafult/grub
[21:57] <LukeL> no .cfg
[21:57] <LukeL> good luck
[21:57]  * burner found it!  :)
[22:02] <burner__> still no nvidia love :(  damn you nouveau and your slightly pinkish hues!
[22:02] <charlie-tca> um, it's not just nvidia
[22:02] <LukeL> hm
[22:02] <charlie-tca> ati will give that petty pink too
[22:02] <charlie-tca> s/petty/pretty
[22:02] <LukeL> sorry, that's the only idea i had to help
[22:07] <ior3k> burner__: did you uninstall nouveau when trying to use nvidia-current?
[22:09] <burner__> nope
[22:09] <ior3k> burner: I don't think they coexist peacefully
[22:09] <ior3k> try to wipe out all traces of nouveau
[22:09] <ior3k> also just move xorg.conf away
[22:09] <ior3k> (at least, I'm not using one)
[22:10] <burner> you're not using one?!?!?
[22:10] <ior3k> nope
[22:10] <burner> wtf, I thought you had to
[22:10] <burner> even if i delete it, it comes back
[22:10] <yofel> with nvidia you have
[22:10] <ior3k> well, x detects I'm using nvidia just fine
[22:11] <yofel> not here, it loads nouveau instead
[22:11] <yofel> but I ran into nouveau blocking nvidia too
[22:11] <yofel> my workaround was to _delete_ the nouveau module and update initrd
[22:11] <ior3k> $ ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:11] <ior3k> /etc/X11/xorg.conf: No such file or directory
[22:11] <ior3k> $
[22:11] <yofel> well, I need a manual setting in xorg.conf anyway
[22:12] <burner> ok... i apt-get removed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and nouveau-firmware and I'm aptitude reinstalling nvidia-current
[22:13]  * burner remains hopeful :)
[22:13] <ior3k> burner, I'd aptitude purge rather than remove
[22:13] <ior3k> not sure if it makes a difference
[22:13] <burner> werd, i can purge
[22:13] <yofel> purge removes config files, remove doesn't
[22:13] <ior3k> yeah
[22:14] <ior3k> but I don't know if it makes a difference in this case
[22:14] <ior3k> supposedly, it shouldn't
[22:14] <ior3k> but who ever said computers were logical? ;)
[22:14] <yofel> nah the X packages have no config files, so it only makes some difference in the dpkg database
[22:14] <yofel> nothing that you notice though
[22:15] <ior3k> alright, thanks for the info
[22:17] <robin0800> gnome shell is now working and gnome-tweak-tool can change unity themes and icons happy day