[01:41] chrisccoulson: cimi and I were just talking about firefox and thunderbird. What are their plans for gtk3? any word on timing yet? [01:45] anyone familiar in vala could tell me what uint64.parse(somestring) would be now? [01:45] or is it now done automatically or something? [01:50] nevermind, I got it.. I'm dumb :) [05:19] good morning [05:21] hey didrocks , how are you? [05:22] hey jasoncwarner_! I'm fine, thanks :) and you? [05:22] didrocks: pretty good, thanks. trying to get all those final details sorted before leaving tomorrow morning [05:23] jasoncwarner_: when are you arriving in Berlin? Friday evening? [05:24] yeah, I'll be in on Friday [06:39] ok, just one MIR remaining to review [06:39] what is this "wayland" stuff? should be quick to review! ;-) [06:41] Woo! I won't have to revert the mesa wayland bits when the A3 freeze ends and I can upload mesa! [06:42] RAOF, nice :) [07:01] RAOF: I'm pretty surprised by the size of wayland TBH :) [07:01] RAOF: any idea what the wayland-scanner is used for? [07:01] didrocks: How big it is, or how small it is? [07:01] didrocks: IIUC wayland-scanner turns the XML protocol definition into C headers. [07:01] it's really small compared to what I was excepting :) [07:01] oh? [07:02] That's one of it's primary goals - simplicity ;) [07:10] is the user-switching from the indicator supposed to work? [07:10] with lightdm [07:10] it just locks the current session [07:17] RAOF: ok, MIR reviewed, small questions/work needed but it's in the right direction :) [07:17] tjaalton: I don't think it is working yet [07:18] didrocks: Sweet. Ta. [07:18] yw! [07:18] lesson learned, don't use a picture of self in the morning when testing photobomb/gwibber integration [07:19] rickspencer3: heh, is it so frightening? :) [07:19] good morning btw! :) [07:19] I guess so [07:19] the word "homeless" was used :/ [07:19] good morning didrocks [07:19] rickspencer3: yeah, that looks mean :-) [07:19] indeed! [07:19] didrocks: ok, thanks [07:25] good morning everyone [07:26] morning chrisccoulson [07:26] hey [07:26] hey didrocks chrisccoulson [07:26] hi didrocks, how are you? [07:26] how are you? [07:27] hi seb128, i'm good thanks [07:27] chrisccoulson: I'm fine, thanks, and you? ;) [07:27] how are you? [07:27] hey seb128 [07:28] I'm fine thanks [07:32] * didrocks got yesterday his server up again! the power supply wasn't the only death by the thunderstorm, one disk died as well, had to replace it [07:38] didrocks, seb128, chrisccoulson what's the word on the street for A3? [07:39] * rickspencer3 gets increasingly worried by laggy replies [07:40] rickspencer3: unity still have some known issues (like key and mouse events), compiz has been reverted to be usable for alpha3 (no tested release from dx). So at the end, an usable alpha3, not top quality from what we can have [07:40] are we going to stick with the compiz that we have for Oneiric? [07:40] for GNOME3, I think that the team handled well the 3.1.4 release :) [07:41] rickspencer3: I hope (and daily ping) dx to get a tested release from them [07:41] right now, we are using the gtk-window-decorator and not unity-window-decorator which needs a lot of fixing [07:42] rickspencer3, it's an alpha with its alpha issues but no stopper I think [07:42] so hopefully, they will deliver for next week a good compiz version [07:42] thunderbird is rocking for A3! ;) [07:42] didrocks, is that a *new* compiz, or basically Natty compiz with bugs fixed? [07:43] rickspencer3: we had a new compiz with a huge rewrapping two weeks ago [07:43] rickspencer3: we can't roll back to the previous version as there is too many dependency to this new one [07:44] rickspencer3, compiz bug fixed? you wish [07:44] lol [07:44] rickspencer3, it's basically the natty one with half working feature rolled out from a distro side to have something we can use [07:44] i'm going to start fixing compiz bugs when i've figured out why it always gets focusing wrong! [07:44] chrisccoulson, \o/ [08:04] I'm looking to fix bug #410264 While I'm futzing with mesa [08:04] Launchpad bug 410264 in mesa "Translations: .pot template files missing, existing .po files won't be used" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410264 [08:04] Bah, premature [08:06] Anyway - does anyone have an idea about how strict launchpad is with respect to those translations? Also, the translation replacement is done at build time - does launchpad have any way of handling that, too? [08:09] no [08:09] you can upload them separately if you want [08:09] or lp can suck them directly from a branch [08:11] Hm. Maybe there's not much point in getting those translations. [08:19] good morning. [08:20] hey jibel, how are you? [08:20] didrocks, thanks for the nux upload yesterday. [08:20] jibel, how is a3 testing? [08:20] seb128, I'm good, thanks [08:20] jibel: yw ;) [08:20] hey! [08:21] seb128, there was problem with live session autologin yesterday but stgraber fixed it, I'll verify this morning [08:21] how come nobody noticed those before? ;-) [08:21] other bugs are known or cosmetic issues [08:21] like the new config format landed over a week ago [08:23] but nice to see it fixed ;-) [08:52] woohoo! my screen wasn't all messed up when i docked my laptop :) [08:52] but that's only because compiz crashed and restarted, which fixes it anyway ;) [09:09] updating this morning + reboot caused desktop not to start.. lightdm auth'd, then got the 'x' rather than a mouse pointer. [09:10] Is it just me? [09:17] Daviey, yes [09:17] Daviey, there was a crash like this yesterday but it is now fixed. What is your graphics and and version of libnux-1.0-0 ? any crash file in /var/crash ? [09:18] seb128, what would you suggest for derivatives which still use gnome-system-tools 2.32 e.g bug 789333 ? [09:18] Launchpad bug 789333 in gnome-system-tools "users-admin crashes on start because of mixed GTK2 and 3 symbols" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789333 [09:19] jibel, that they fix the bug or stop using g-s-t? ;-) [09:19] lightdm seg faulting. [09:19] :) [09:19] I am using non-free nvidia [09:20] jibel, no special suggestions, I've enough work with Ubuntu bugs to not want to spend time fixing outdated tools [09:20] jibel, but I'm happy to help if they have specific questions on how to solve an issue [09:22] (The good news is that gdm doesn't segfault.) [09:22] Daviey, can you use apport to report the bug? [09:23] morning [09:24] seb128: seems to not be finding the crash report on it's own. awesome [09:24] Daviey, is it in on disk? [09:24] lut huats [09:26] hello seb128 ! [09:33] gah, w3n is not that much fun with LP anympre [09:33] anymore [09:33] Daviey: ? [09:35] lifeless: for some reason i was getting a "missing field", but nothing was asking me for more data [09:35] seb128: bug 820255 [09:36] Daviey, ok, needs to be retraced I guess [09:38] \o/ [09:38] Daviey: doing what? [09:39] lifeless: it's probably me being a donut, apport-bug /some/.crash/file .. launch browser.. [09:41] seb128, hey. Any reason you didn't build empathy 3.1.4 with gudev support? [09:42] cassidy, no, kenvandine probably overlooked that [09:42] cassidy, let me check [09:42] cassidy, is it of any use if we build without cheese? [09:43] cassidy, seems only cheese-camera-device-monitor.c uses it [09:43] nope [09:43] ok [09:43] so that's probably why [09:43] PKG_CHECK_MODULES(UDEV, [gudev-1.0], [09:43] have_gudev="yes", have_gudev="no") [09:43] that's it [09:43] no, we ship this file so you don't have to depend on cheese to use it [09:44] cassidy, oh ok, so yeah just an overlook I guess, I will check with ken when he wakes up and get it fixed [09:44] cool [09:46] Daviey: IIRC it was w3m we got working, so if its no longer, thats a serious issue [09:46] didrocks: Am i reading the nux d/changelog correctly.. that it went from version 1.X to 0.X ? [09:47] Daviey: it was 0.9 in natty, and now it's 1.X right [09:47] why? [09:47] lifeless: second attempt it worked.. doing the same thing, i believe - so i'm not sure it's a massive failure [09:58] RAOF, hey [09:58] RAOF, did you find a Debian sponsor for colord? [09:58] if not what about uploading to Ubuntu to get it in and sync later when they take it? [10:06] seb128: I've lined up Laney [10:07] RAOF, great ;-) [10:15] seb128, hello [10:16] ricotz, hey [10:16] i will look into a new rhythmbox snapshot later [10:16] seb128, could you add this to gdk-doc-tools http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk-doc/commit/gtk-doc.make?id=3939e9473aa5cc848ff6295e5e16e7f5203c39aa [10:16] ricotz, thanks [10:16] ricotz, what issue does it fix in practice? is there a launchpad bug about it? [10:17] currently using gtk-doc.make broken [10:17] i am just seen this with rhythmbox [10:17] and using $(build) is clearly wrong [10:18] which lead to things like this "cp x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/tmpl/*.sgml ../../rhythmbox-2.90.1/doc/reference/tmpl" [10:19] the current gtk-docs git trunk already uses another solution though [10:20] g2g [10:21] ricotz, ok thanks [10:36] m'eh - http://is.gd/TXIHqu :/ [10:36] not sure what's going on there [10:36] seems to be quite frequent in oneiric :( [11:32] seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/780747/comments/6 [11:32] Ubuntu bug 780747 in rhythmbox "Window does not always close when running gnome-shell" [Low,New] [11:32] ricotz, thanks! [11:32] ricotz, what clutter build depends would the new code add? [11:33] seb128, mx [11:33] hum ok [11:34] we will not to mir those one day [11:34] other things in GNOME 3.1 want to use it [11:35] not? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:35] i think i should get a MIR [11:36] doh [11:36] not->need [11:36] sorry ;-) [11:36] ;) [11:37] if you are interested by writing those mir please do [11:39] not really -- more needed would be to update cogl and clutter ;) [11:41] did you find somebody to sponsor those in debian? [11:41] i.e pochu maybe? [11:41] would be easier to sync them ;-) [11:41] otherwise feel free to open sponsoring bugs in ubuntu [11:43] i didnt asked for sponsoring yet, cogl should be ready though, but clutter has some outstanding ubuntu patches [11:43] cogl needs to get in, newed etc first [11:43] you should ask for this one ;-) [11:44] you have time to work on clutter while that happens [11:45] right, i might get to it at the weekend [11:45] great [11:46] seb128, do you know if gnome-menus gets an release soon? [11:46] jbicha: in case you didn't notice, I sponsored your work and acked the MIR thanks! :) [11:46] jbicha: just ping me back to push it in main once transmission will dep on it [11:46] ricotz, you should ask vuntz but from what I read for 3.1.5 [11:47] didrocks, isn't that already the case? [11:47] seb128, ah, i see -- i hope he feels to answer ;) [11:47] - Bump build-depends on libappindicator3-dev [11:48] for 2.33 [11:48] didn't see the additional one? [11:48] didrocks, well there is an update patch from debian to use system libs [11:48] but I didn't check [11:48] indeed [11:48] so yeah, it deps wait [11:48] didrocks, I though it was just depwaiting since the previous version [11:48] hum, let's maybe do the promotion after alpha3? [11:49] but that's sloppy tracking, I'm not sure [11:49] to avoid having a new transmission ;) [11:49] didrocks, your call, it can for sure wait tomorrow [11:49] * didrocks opens a new tab for having less sloppy tracking ;) [11:52] didrocks: thank you it looks like libnatpmp has built now [11:52] jbicha: yeah, just waiting post-alpha3 to do the real promotion. Thanks to you! :) [11:53] oh ok, that makes sense, transmission works fine in alpha3, it's just an older version [11:54] ricotz: there'll be one for 3.1.5 [11:54] not before, since we broke api [11:54] oh, and that was just said, still catching up on reading the backlog :-) [11:57] vuntz, thanks, i noticed, when is 3.1.5 about to be released? [11:58] ricotz, http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/ [11:58] 2 weeks [11:58] seb128, right, thanks ;) [12:06] didrocks, http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/unitytheme.jar ;) [12:06] (theme for thunderbird) [12:06] chrisccoulson: nice! :) [12:06] let's see how to import that [12:08] note that compose and address book is broken right now :) Hacking at that right now [12:11] andreasn: chrisccoulson: love it! [12:11] :) [12:14] didrocks, glad you like it! [12:39] morning! [12:42] cyphermox, good morning! [12:42] hey pedro_! [12:42] cyphermox, upstream is asking for testing on a evolution patch that could fix https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=655507 [12:42] Gnome bug 655507 in Plugins "crash on startup when initializing spamassassin" [Critical,New] [12:42] cyphermox, any chance to include that in your evo ppa? [12:43] sure [12:43] cyphermox, thanks! [12:43] what's the lp bug for this one? [12:43] nevermind [12:43] is linked at that bug [12:55] chrisccoulson, good morning! [12:55] chrisccoulson, is the google contacts extension packaged for thunderbird? [12:56] chrisccoulson: same story for you every day, it seems :) [12:56] kenvandine, no, but m_conley_away is working on e-d-s contacts integration [12:57] we generally don't package third party extensions any more [12:57] poor chrisccoulson :) [12:57] pedro_: https://launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+archive/evolution-staging/+sourcepub/1844284/+listing-archive-extra [12:57] heh :) [12:57] seems silly that it isn't included in thunderbird by default [12:57] moving to thunderbird feels like i am going back to the 90s :/ [12:57] functionality wise [12:58] never thought i could describe evolution as "modern" [12:58] kenvandine, what are you missing? [12:58] cyphermox, merci! [12:58] google contacts [12:58] and google calender [12:58] i knew there was no google calender... [12:58] now to debug connman's dns cache :'( === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:59] kenvandine: there is no calendar fullstop ;) [12:59] but i just assumed thunderbird worked with google contacts [12:59] guess i've been using evo too long [12:59] the idea of a local address book is weird [13:00] kenvandine, hey === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:00] kenvandine, cassidy asked if there was a reason you didn't built the empathy update with gudev? [13:00] hey seb128 [13:01] no reason [13:01] i could do that [13:01] you should, camera detection is good to have [13:01] cassidy, will do :) [13:01] thanks:! [13:01] i wasn't looking for new stuff to enable [13:01] kenvandine, http://www.google.com/support/calendar/bin/answer.py?answer=99358#sunbird [13:01] tss you should read the release notes :p [13:01] kenvandine, btw feel free to upload for that or the indicator-power update [13:01] seb128, ok... will do! [13:01] cassidy, :) [13:01] kenvandine, standalone components are fine to update during the soft freeze [13:02] kenvandine, just don't do renaming or transitions ;-) [13:02] as long as the gudev support doesn't add new depends that aren't already on the cd [13:02] i doubt it does [13:02] mmm, I can't help but think of ice cream when you say "soft freeze" [13:03] andreasn, indeed... just sad users have to go find that stuff [13:03] hummm [13:03] who is that joining! [13:03] jbicha, don't talk of ice cream with vuntz around! [13:04] he will stop working and look for it ;-) [13:04] xchat-gnome randomly trying to reconnect on my other box :) [13:04] lol [13:06] hey seb128 , we are doing thunderbird meeting right now and had a cdspace question...do you know where we stand at A3? [13:06] kenvandine, we currently have a gsoc student working on automatic setup of google calendar (and others), as long as you provide your google account name [13:07] kenvandine, but I agree it's currently really hard to set up [13:07] google contacts extension doesn't support thunderbird 6 :( [13:07] andreasn: what about Thunderbird tying into gnome-online-accounts to pick that up? [13:07] andreasn, i saw you had a theme for tb... where is that? [13:08] kenvandine, http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/unitytheme.jar [13:08] kenvandine, in a very unstable state right now though :) [13:09] andreasn, thx... i won't complain :) === mterry_ is now known as mterry [13:32] chrisccoulson: not sure you saw my earlier question. Any idea when Firefox and Thunderbird move to GTK3? Cimi and I were talking. [13:33] jasoncwarner_, not sure yet. i haven't been following the recent review comments on the bug which covers that [13:34] chrisccoulson, if that's not before the LTS you win the GTK2 stack to maintain ;-) [13:34] seb128: well, that is unless chromium rules the day! mwuhahaha [13:35] ;-) [13:35] then chrisccoulson wins chromium to maintain [13:35] heh [13:35] and the gtk2 stack! [13:35] chromium still use gtk2 as well right? [13:35] jasoncwarner_, did you see my response to your post on G+ ;) [13:35] and firefox and both of their 6 week release cycles [13:35] it might, but I heard kenvandine was going to rewrite chromium in vala after his fun with gwibber this cycle [13:36] * kenvandine ignores jasoncwarner_ [13:36] vala and an experimental gtk4 branch [13:36] heh [13:36] anyway...going to sleep...see some of you at summit. Others, online ... [13:36] later [13:37] i like vala... but man it is a pain to do anything that touches outside of gtk with it [13:37] untested bindings... love that! [13:37] good night jasoncwarner_ [13:37] mpt, where is the spec for what the unity lightdm greeter should look like? [13:38] kenvandine, you can always off-road and make your own local bindings [13:38] kenvandine, or make a tiny C file that links in with your app [13:38] kenvandine, both of which are pains I guess :) [13:39] mterry, I didn't know there was one, sorry [13:39] mpt, that might be the answer then :) [13:40] mterry, i did have to bundle my own vapis... as i found things broken [13:40] then submit the fixes [13:40] just painful to find those [13:40] kenvandine, for the indicators in the unity-greeter, there would need to be a "greeter mode" where they didn't show links to such things like "updates available" and settings. Has there been a DX discussion about how they want to do that? env var or gsetttings or such? [13:41] mterry, there is one, check maybe with john [13:41] seb128, ooh, ok [13:41] mterry, robert_ancell had it at the rally but not sure if it's published and where [13:41] mterry, I will ask him on friday to share it with you if you don't find it before that [13:41] seb128, thanks [13:42] mterry, I don't think the indicator limited mode was discussed in dx [13:42] dx didn't get involved in the lightdm discussions that I know about [13:42] seb128, k, I'll ask in #ayatana then [13:42] mterry, I have located it, I'm just getting access to it now === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [14:03] didrocks, this has happened to me twice today whilst opening an application: http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/Screenshot%20at%202011-08-03%2015:01:44.png [14:03] have you seen that before? [14:04] i can click through the grey box and the transparent empathyt window, and it appears to be open somewhere else on the screen (but it's invisible) [14:05] chrisccoulson: better to ask smspillaz about that one ^^ [14:06] but yeah, the grey box is known, not the other one though [14:14] mvo: ping [14:21] hey dobey [14:23] mvo: hey. i'm trying to use python-aptdaemon, but it seems to be having some mainloop contention issues or soemthing. and i'm not quite sure how to resolve that. adding a call to DBusGMainLoop() didn't seem to help [14:24] mpt, hey [14:24] dobey: do you have a example somewhere? I'm happy to have a look [14:24] mpt, the bluetooth indicator should be dropped in oneiric right? [14:24] seb128, no, why? [14:25] mpt, the way to configure bluetooth is using the session indicator entry opening the control center panel? [14:25] i would have thought so [14:25] mpt, because we have bluetooth in 2 indicators and that seems confusing [14:25] seb128, no, you can't change any of the settings from that menu, it just opens the settings panel [14:26] mpt, well the panel let you change those settings [14:26] mpt, I though the recommended way would be to open the panel from the session indicator? [14:26] i thought we were getting rid of the current bluetooth indicator too (and having a proper implementation, rather than the current appindicator one) [14:26] seb128, no, that would be a regression. [14:27] that was my understanding from the rally [14:27] yeah, that's what I got told as well [14:27] For example, you couldn't tell whether Bluetooth was on or off by looking at the menu bar. [14:28] mpt, so what's the point to have it in the session indicator? [14:29] seb128, I don't know, sorry. [14:29] mpt, sorry I assumed you were designing the indicator refactoring [14:29] mpt, who should I ping about it? [14:29] seb128, John or Oren [14:29] mpt, thanks [14:32] seb128, as I understand it, the choice of which settings panels were included was just a guess as to which ones are most popular. Even if Bluetooth is one of the most popular, it wouldn't then make sense to make Bluetooth functions *slower* to access. [14:37] hum, ok, will check with john or ted when they are there [14:38] ronoc, do you know if there is any design document somewhere why says that the bluetooth indicator is deprecated by the device one? [14:39] * ronoc checks [14:43] seb128, doesn't mention it in the spec I'm working off of right now [14:43] ronoc, ok thanks; I guess I will let it around until I check out with ted or john [14:44] but what mpt said about having an indicator showing if it's on or off in some way would make sense [14:45] seb128, it would, just needs to be put in the spec and I'll see if i can get it in before ff (should be relatively easy with the bluez dbus interface) [14:45] ronoc, can you talk to the design guys about it? [14:46] seb128, mpt owns that spec, i'll chat to him about tmrw when I'm at the office [14:46] ronoc, ok, but see backlog, mpt said to talk to john or oren [14:47] ronoc, well I will let you guys sort that at the office, thanks ;-) [14:47] ok [14:54] cyphermox, FYI re the evolution bug , mbarnes committed a fix to http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution/commit/?id=4fc04af617091c77dfc9f6353299378918cb69cc [14:54] cyphermox, so the previous patch was not the 'correct' one [14:54] are [14:55] I'll cherry-pick a few patches from git [14:56] thanks! [14:59] bah [14:59] usb-creator is a fail today, it breaks on the boot loader creation [15:02] ok, let's try if dd if=iso of=usbkey works ;-) [15:04] seb128: it did last time I tried, apart that the double iso partition format on /dev/sdX and /dev/sdX1 puzzled gvfs for mounting it === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|dinner [17:39] re [17:39] cyphermox, what evolution version do you use? [17:39] 3.1.4 [17:39] cyphermox, the current oneiric one still fails to display gpg signed email for me, like the debian-devel-changes ones [17:39] I wish 3.1.5 could be released [17:39] ah? [17:40] mine displays the emails fine but shows an error for the gpg key [17:40] I get that as well [17:42] cyphermox, oh btw while you there :p [17:42] (yeah, now is a good time to close IRC for you ;-) [17:43] cyphermox, bug #818243 [17:43] Launchpad bug 818243 in bluez "Bluetooth fails after suspend/resume with bluez 4.95" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/818243 [17:43] cyphermox, the user says it works after downgrading to 4.94 [17:44] cyphermox, I've assigned the bug to you, could you check if that's broken for everybody or not? [17:44] yeah [17:44] if it's broken for everybody we probably want it milestoned, other feel free to unassign yourself from it [17:49] ricotz, ^ etherpad is in the title ;-) [17:49] seb128: almost certainly not broken for everyone, because I see there one of the usb ids that match for hid2hci. [17:49] seb128, oh, this xchat topic field is clearly to small ;) [17:49] so my guess is it tries to switch it again when bluez is using the device, then hells breaks loose. [17:50] cyphermox, well he says on suspend resume, that clearly shouldn't break whatever you are doing [17:50] cyphermox, thanks for checking ;-) [17:51] seb128: given that hid2hci is giving me more headaches now, I'm very tempted to disable it again; it's a big pain in the ass, if only because on install if all you have is a bluetooth MX 5500 for instance, you'll have fun trying to associate your mouse and keyboard [17:51] on the contrary [17:51] doesn't udev re-trigger on resume? [17:51] (in case usb devices changes in the meantime) [17:51]