[06:45] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:45] <brobostigon> morning AlanBell
[06:53] <livingdaylight> anyone watch the piece still currently playing on BBC1 about copyright?
[07:11] <daubers> Morning
[07:14] <livingdaylight> morning
[07:17] <livingdaylight> very quiet this morning
[07:18] <livingdaylight> It was yesterday suggested that my hd could be dying. Hence I backed up and transferred my files to saftey. However, before simply binning my 500gb hd I thought I'd run the defect detector on the live cd and it came back with zero  errors? Is this a reliable test to tell me about the health of the hd?
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> "defect detector"?
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> do you mean the SMART long test in the Disk Utility (palimpsest)
[07:20] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS: on the live cd there is a Memory test and test for hd, no?
[07:20] <livingdaylight> I forget what it's called exactly, but it checks the hd for defects afaik.
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: As far as I know that  checks the CD for defects
[07:21] <livingdaylight> ahhh, okay,.... that's not what I need, lol
[07:21] <livingdaylight> How can I test the disc before chucking it in the bin?
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: start the live environment, then start the disk utility, and have it do a "Long" or "Extended" test
[07:21] <livingdaylight> not the disc, the hard drive, sorrry
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: ^^
[07:22]  * livingdaylight needs a coffee
[07:23] <daubers> livingdaylight: SMART is not necessarily a good indicator of disk health :(
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> daubers: SMART saying your disk is bad _is_ a good indicator
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> daubers: SMART saying your disk is good isn't :)
[07:23] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Well.. sometimes. I've seen a couple of disks flip from "bad" to "good" within a few minutes
[07:23] <daubers> stupid smart
[07:23] <livingdaylight> so, SMART can say the disc is good but it is still in fact bad?
[07:24] <daubers> livingdaylight: Yes, sometimes
[07:24] <MartijnVdS> daubers: sure, but once you get a "bad" signal, you replace the disk
[07:24] <livingdaylight> not very smart :s
[07:24] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Assuming the disk hasn't already just failed before it's gone to a "bad" state
[07:25] <livingdaylight> Either my hd died or Ubuntu had a meltdown for the first time  in all the years that I've been using it.
[07:25] <daubers> livingdaylight: use the tool described above and have a look, SMART may tell you the disk is bad, it may not :)
[07:26] <livingdaylight> is there another, more reliable test?
[07:26] <daubers> livingdaylight: As rubbish as SMART is, it's the best tool for this kind of thing at the moment
[07:26] <livingdaylight> ok
[07:26] <livingdaylight> I'd rather not chuck a 500gb hd, on a whim
[07:27] <livingdaylight> I'm probably just in denial still about its death
[07:27] <livingdaylight> a little traumatic
[07:27] <daubers> livingdaylight: You get used to them after a while
[07:45] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:46] <BigRedS> G'morning MooDoo
[07:50] <MooDoo> :)
[07:50] <daubers> o/
[07:58] <livingdaylight> not sure I found and used SMART in Disc Utility or not. But there are some bad sectors. Does that make an entire hd unusable?
[08:00] <BigRedS> nah, that's normal
[08:01] <BigRedS> but a lot of bad sectors, or a high rate of allocating bad sectors, suggests it's going to die soon
[08:01] <BigRedS> some, though, not so bad. Zero is better, though
[08:03] <gord> some bad sectors isn't that normal ;)
[08:03] <gord> you'll want to run bad blocks on the drive at least to stop the bad sectors from being used
[08:06]  * BigRedS might just have low standards and good backups...
[08:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[08:10] <livingdaylight2> Where /how do I run bad blocks?
[08:11] <livingdaylight2> Using irc client on smart phone for the first time
[08:11] <livingdaylight2> I is like :)
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> gord: drives remap bad sectors. As soon as it runs out of remapping sectors, I replace the disk usually
[08:16] <gord> MartijnVdS, in my experience, not automatically
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> gord: I'm paranoid ;)
[08:18] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:18] <MartijnVdS> it's biggie calms :P
[08:22] <MooDoo> morning pah!
[08:26] <livingdaylight2> There is a poem called fish by Mary Ann Hoberman and I can't read it because of"rights issues" as I'm outside of the usa - ridiculous
[08:27] <AlanBell> fibre to the cabinet about to be installed \o/
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: \o/
[08:29] <MooDoo> o/
[08:30] <dogmatic69> livingdaylight2: proxy?
[08:32] <gord> have to use the stupid revo keyboard today because ubuntu forgot how to talk to my wireless one :(
[08:37] <livingdaylight2> Auto complete difficult on Android orc, with swype anyway.
[08:47] <selinuxium> mornign all   o/
[08:50] <shauno> oh that's just typical.  an hour after I wipe my phone, gmail decides it's "that time of the month" and asks me to use the authenticator thingie
[08:53] <MooDoo> lol
[08:53] <selinuxium> Tried to install Moneydance from their deb. It come up with the warning as described in the following link. http://help.infinitekind.com/discussions/switching-to-moneydance-from-microsoft-money/1370-installing-deb-on-ubuntu  Is it just me or is just using gdebi to circumnavigate the warning not the way forward...
[08:56] <shauno> hopefully he meant what he said about looking into fixing it
[08:56] <shauno> but yeah.  teaching people to ignore spurious warnings isn't cool
[08:59] <popey> Good morning
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[08:59] <bigcalm> Good moaning
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: I ordered my SSD -- http://www.anandtech.com/show/4202/the-intel-ssd-510-review
[09:00] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: putting ubuntu on it?
[09:01] <gord> trying to type on this backup keyboard is hard =\ i keep taking screenshots or paging down or opening menus... its basically like if mr bean used a computer
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Yes (and I know about the "discard" mount option)
[09:02] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: discard what?
[09:03] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: i've not used that with my ssd
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: it tells the SSD about which regions are "empty" so it can use its internal wear-leveling more efficiently
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: i.e. when you delete files
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> which means it should (note: should) last longer
[09:08] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: ok, but readin around that was only needed in 10.10, does 11.04 already have this?
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: in oneiric, in the "mount" manual page, it says it's disabled by default
[09:09] <MooDoo> ah
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: on natty it's not even in the manual
[09:11] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I thought that was dealt with automagically by TRIM these days?
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I thought so, but not according to that manpage
[09:12] <daubers> odd
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM#Discard_parameter_in_Linux
[09:12] <MooDoo> i don't think it's anything to worry about, my ssd works very well :D
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> but will it in a few years? :)
[09:13] <MooDoo> ;)
[09:14] <MooDoo> well guess what i'm doing when i get home :D
[09:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Mellors] Vmware + NAS - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/vmware-nas.html
[09:15] <MooDoo> oh rats, that wasn't supposed to go on the planet....grrrr post tags
[09:20] <bigcalm> Oooo, finally a working version of android for the Joggler?
[09:20] <livingdaylight2> Aloha
[09:20] <MooDoo> hi livingdaylight2
[09:21] <livingdaylight2> Hi
[09:22] <livingdaylight2> Swype doesn't have a tab key
[09:23] <BigRedS> livingdaylight2: is this in a terminal emulator?
[09:23] <BigRedS> which one are you using? If you tap the screen just above teh keyboard in irssi it gives some buttons for other keys
[09:23] <BigRedS> I think tab's in there
[09:24]  * selinuxium still loving my Galaxy S II
[09:24] <bigcalm> Andchat is my irc client of choice
[09:24] <BigRedS> er, not irssi, connectbot
[09:24] <BigRedS> I just use 'irssi connectbot' so I forget it's not called irssi
[09:25] <livingdaylight2> Using Yaaic and swype
[09:26] <livingdaylight2> Maybe using the wrong client then, or keyboard :)
[09:33] <bigcalm> In andchat, pressing search after a few letters will do nick autocomplete
[09:33] <bigcalm> Very handy
[09:34] <andylockran> ok, this is saner
[09:35]  * andylockran was in #ubuntu and all sorts of silly stuff was happening there
[09:36] <selinuxium> bigcalm, Android? Joggler? where?  :)
[09:41] <bigcalm> selinuxium: https://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/98679623663095808
[09:41] <popey> :D
[09:41] <popey> works really nicely
[09:41] <bigcalm> It might be what gets me to turn my Joggler back on
[09:44] <popey> :D
[09:45] <livingdaylight2> Andylockran such as?
[09:46] <andylockran> livingdaylight2: guy suggesting he was on drugs and trolling
[09:47] <selinuxium> Cheers popey, bigcalm
[09:48]  * popey lols at MooDoo 
[09:52] <popey> http://twitpic.com/60975a
[09:52] <popey> 2 days after "leaving facebook" :D
[09:53] <MooDoo> :p
[09:53] <MooDoo> :p
[09:53] <MooDoo> :p
[09:53] <MooDoo> :p
[09:53] <MooDoo> i got told off
[09:53] <MooDoo> by my mum
[09:54] <popey> haha
[09:54] <MooDoo> but thanks for making me feel small and inadiquate as usual popey :p
[09:54] <popey> :D
[09:54] <popey> NP!
[09:54] <MooDoo> :P
[09:54] <MooDoo> :O
[09:55]  * shauno wonders if it's appropriate to point & laugh when he barely knows these people
[09:55] <bigcalm> I'm lost
[09:55] <MooDoo> shauno: why not everyone else does
[09:55] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i closed my facebook account then re-opened it 3 days later....:(
[09:55] <shauno> MooDoo: Har Har! </muntz>
[09:55] <MooDoo> now popey is taking the mick ;)
[09:56] <MooDoo> shauno: pah! i don't even know you, cheeky s*d ;)
[09:56] <bigcalm> MooDoo: awww. The power of mums :)
[09:56] <shauno> heh.  it happens.  my mother's idea of emailing me is trusting that facebook will email me for her
[09:57] <MooDoo> i got the "your selfish, how can i view pictures of my grandkids now"
[09:57] <MooDoo> nearly 40 and still under the thumb ;)
[09:57] <shauno> is she local enough to drop them on her doorstep?
[09:58] <popey> MooDoo: invite her to G+?
[09:58] <shauno> (extra comedic value if 'local' is only vaguely the same country)
[09:58] <popey> and use picasa
[09:58] <MooDoo> popey: it took all our efforts to get them onto facebook
[09:58] <popey> hahah
[09:58] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:58] <popey> its all good fun
[09:59] <gord> MooDoo, change their hosts file to point at plus.google.com ;)
[09:59] <popey> hah
[09:59] <popey> "Facebook has been updated"
[10:00] <bigcalm> Morning czajkowski :)
[10:00] <shauno> that would be fantastic.  it's funny enough seeing them scream in pain every time a box moves somewhere else as it is :D
[10:00] <MooDoo> hi czajkowski
[10:00] <scoundrel50a> I nhave a HP Photosmart Printer Scanner, I just connected it to my Ubuntu 10.10 laptop, it recognised it, but I cant get it to scan, is there something I am missing?
[10:01] <czajkowski> MooDoo: bigcalm hi
[10:01] <gord> scoundrel50a, how are you trying to get it to scan?
[10:01] <DJones> scoundrel50a: Which model is it?
[10:02] <gord> i have a photosmart c4700 scanning just fine next to me :)
[10:02] <davmor2> morning all
[10:02] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:02] <scoundrel50a> C3180 and I am pressing the scan button, but it says it cant connect to pc.......even though I can get it to print
[10:02] <popey> yeah, dont do that
[10:02] <popey> open "Simple Scan" on Ubuntu
[10:02] <DJones> scoundrel50a: Try manually scanning using xsane/simple scan etc
[10:02] <scoundrel50a> ah, where is that, do I have to install it?
[10:02] <popey> it should be pre-installed
[10:02] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[10:03] <popey> Simple Scan, that is
[10:03] <DJones> simple scan should be installed
[10:03] <scoundrel50a> ok, one sec will go loo
[10:03] <popey> TMI!
[10:03] <popey> :D
[10:03] <scoundrel50a> where is it?
[10:03] <MooDoo> popey: think they missed that one popey :)
[10:03] <DJones> popey: Will you slow down typing, I can't keep up :)
[10:03] <popey> indeed
[10:03] <popey> :D
[10:03]  * popey goes to get coffee
[10:03] <scoundrel50a> ok got it, thank you
[10:04]  * MooDoo has to purchase an external cd-writer for my laptop :(
[10:04] <bigcalm> The milk went off this morning when I made my 1st mug of coffee. I has a sad :(
[10:05] <scoundrel50a> oh my gosh,t nhat worked, brilliant, spent hours trying to get that working,.   thank you
[10:05] <DJones> scoundrel50a: The scan button on the printer doesn't do anything on mine either, I always use the app
[10:05] <DJones> Glad it worked for you :)
[10:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: what for?  use a usb pen drive like the rest of us ;)
[10:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i suppose i could do that....
[10:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: can't burn cd's with that though can i :p
[10:06] <shauno> I just don't 'do' paper.  problem(s) solved \o/
[10:06] <DJones> MooDoo: Its a dangerous path doing that, I bought a usb cd/dvd writer when the built in one started to go funny instead of buying a new computer, 2 months later I bough a new computer
[10:07] <MooDoo> DJones: i can't afford that, so i definately won't be doing that....
[10:07] <DJones> MooDoo: Neither could I
[10:07] <shauno> reminds me, the system I work on at work, just gained fax support in the last feature cycle.  go 2011 ;)
[10:07] <MooDoo> DJones: baby in 5 weeks...
[10:07] <DJones> Then I got a policy refund which more than covered the cost :)
[10:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: shouldn't of got a naff laptop then should you ;)
[10:08] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's a good laptop but about 3 years old
[10:08] <DJones> MooDoo: The writer I picked up only cost £25, but still a waste of money with hindsight
[10:09] <MooDoo> i'm nipping over to best buy at lunch to see what they have.
[10:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: local pc shop caddy is about 12-15 quid if you already have a cd writer knocking about failing that a cheap writer is about 8 quid
[10:10] <DJones> This was in a 2nd hand shop, just happened to spot it in the window, liteon cd/dvd, twin usb connection, worked well while I needed it
[10:14] <MooDoo> i'll take a look around, i suppose i can live with out it
[10:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: you gave up on giving up on FB then dude?  didn't last long :)
[10:20] <popey> i wonder if it's possible to detect the scan button and do something in ubuntu
[10:21] <directhex> depends how the scan button emits a signal, i guess
[10:21] <czajkowski> my laptop is going soo slow today on natty alt tabbing is taking forever :/
[10:22] <czajkowski> really wondering about wiping and re installing
[10:22] <czajkowski> but don't want to lose all my emails and settings in thunderbird
[10:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: install ccsm and switch off the 2 second delay alt tab should then be faster :)
[10:24]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski for not knowing that already :D
[10:24] <DJones> popey: The HPLIP package apparently doesn't support the scan to pc feature
[10:25] <popey> czajkowski: have you tweaked the alt-tab delay in CCSM?
[10:25] <czajkowski> I don't even know what CCSM is :/
[10:25] <popey> we default to having a delay in popping up the ALT+TAB dialog
[10:25] <popey> (which is mental)
[10:25] <popey> compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:25] <czajkowski> ahh no not tweaked anything but it's soo slow on the tosh
[10:26] <popey> install unity-2d
[10:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: install oneiric
[10:26] <popey> much faster
[10:26] <popey> dont listen to him
[10:27] <czajkowski> I've no intention of installing oneiric just yet
[10:27] <czajkowski> need at least 1 working machine
[10:27] <davmor2> popey: it's nearly stable and it's faster
[10:27] <czajkowski> popey: will install 2d on this one
[10:27] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[10:28] <czajkowski> who makes these crazy decsisons on default
[10:28] <czajkowski> *defaults
[10:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: your crazy, do you do it ;)
[10:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'll point at gord he can tell you
[10:30] <gord> i know noooothing
[10:30] <czajkowski> gord: was it you....
[10:30]  * czajkowski peers at gord 
[10:30] <davmor2> czajkowski: see how quickly he denies it :)
[10:30] <czajkowski> davmor2: you'd deny it too if I were peering at you
[10:30] <popey> czajkowski: http://www.only10types.com/2011/06/ubuntu-1104-natty-slow-alttab-window.html
[10:30]  * MooDoo thinks davmor2 is casuing trouble this morning
[10:30] <popey> do that on unity 3d
[10:30] <popey> see if that improves it
[10:30] <czajkowski> laptop was fine till around a week or so ago, when it started to slow down
[10:31] <popey> if it doesn't then switch to 2d
[10:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: nah I'd just say "and!" :D
[10:31] <gord> if it started getting slow a week ago then i would suspect something else eating up your ram or cpu or something
[10:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's not my fault you went running back to facebook :P
[10:32] <MooDoo> davmor2: shut it...!!
[10:32] <czajkowski> popey: cheers will do
[10:32] <MooDoo> davmor2: you wouldn't of known if that varlet popey hadn't of grassed me up ;)
[10:32] <popey> haha
[10:32] <popey> s/varlet/harlet/
[10:33] <popey> i guess
[10:33] <MooDoo> popey: no varlet
[10:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: the post poped up in gwibber this morning when I switched on
[10:33] <MooDoo> A dishonest or unprincipled man
[10:33] <MooDoo> :p
[10:33] <bigcalm> Maybe popey thinks of himself as a harlet
[10:33] <MooDoo> lol
[10:34] <MooDoo> wouldn't that be harlot though?
[10:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: That makes you the varlet, popey said starting the clock and stopping the clock, you were the one with the lack of principles :P
[10:35] <MooDoo> davmor2: pah! stop being clever, it's just not you...:)
[10:36] <davmor2> now we all know our place, popey is a stop watch, you are a varlet, I ain't clever and czajkowski is just pure violence :)
[10:36] <MooDoo> yeah but we all like czajkowski  ;)
[10:37] <bigcalm> How do you empty the mailq? -q attempts to deliver
[10:38] <Kirrus> bigcalm: what base, qmail, postfix?
[10:39] <bigcalm> Erm, good question. Most likely postfix
[10:39] <directhex> postqueue -f
[10:39] <Kirrus> postsuper -d ALL
[10:40] <directhex> or did you mean "empty" as in "erase"
[10:40] <Kirrus> postqueue -f flushes
[10:40] <bigcalm> erase
[10:40] <directhex> erasing mail is naughty. and evil.
[10:40] <Kirrus> so it'll try to redeliver.. you want postsuper -d
[10:40] <directhex> and yeah, Kirrus is correct
[10:40] <bigcalm> directhex: this is my dev system
[10:40] <Kirrus> You can use a mailid instead of 'ALL' if you want to be more picky
[10:40] <bigcalm> Mail in the Q is not going anywhere
[10:41] <bigcalm> Kirrus: thanks for that :)
[10:41] <Kirrus> bigcalm: thank google ;) .. That how I found it last time I needed it ;)
[11:05] <bigcalm> Unexpected bonus - apparently was paying too much tax since April. Glad my employer is on the ball. 57 quid I wasn't expecting this month
[11:05] <dogmatic69> :/
[11:05] <bigcalm> Tempting to buy more toys, will put it aside for oggcamp instead
[11:05] <MooDoo> pah me wants to go to ogg camp....
[11:06] <MooDoo> anyone know how to deliver a baby just in case i decide to go with the misses ;)
[11:06]  * dogmatic69 has done this
[11:06] <czajkowski> popey: thanks all working now much faster
[11:06] <dogmatic69> its not too hard, unless there are complications
[11:07] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: :)
[11:07] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: especially if its not the first
[11:08] <MooDoo> oggcamp website looks ace :)
[11:10]  * MooDoo wonders if oggcamp is becoming the new Lug Radio live ;)
[11:32] <DJones> Heh, IE users may not be as dumb as recent media reports have suggested http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14389430 Its the media people who reported that are the dumb ones
[11:33] <WorMzy> Aw
[11:33] <BigRedS> Yeah, It's as if the BBC are trying to gain a reputation for not fact-checking
[11:36] <popey> \o/ pub o'clock!
[11:36] <MooDoo> :)
[11:40]  * TheOpenSourcerer has decided on this Friday for the West Dean Chilli Fiesta :-D
[11:42] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, i found a bag of chilli stuff in the cupboard which i brought back from a business trip to san antonio. next week i'll be making texas roadhouse chilli, and also carnitas :)
[11:42] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: does the rest of west dean know about this?
[11:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> davmor2: http://www.westdean.org.uk/Garden/News%20and%20Events/ChilliFiesta.aspx
[11:47] <davmor2> gord you might know why doesn't 2d unity have the same launchers in it as 3d unity surely they use the same source to get the info right?
[11:47] <gord> davmor2, they should have the same launchers, but there was an update recently that reset everyones launchers so maybe something got confused
[11:49] <davmor2> gord: oh nice it does now :)  for ages it didn't so there must of been an update that fixed it :)
[11:51] <gord> nothing more disappointing than a graze box full of things you don't want :(
[11:53] <davmor2> gord: I think you'll find there is, a gaze box that was full of things you like but is now empty when you really need some
[12:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: facebook reply is availabvle
[12:10] <bowtie> hi all
[12:13] <MooDoo> hi bowtie :)
[12:14] <bowtie> MooDoo, is this the write place to ask a theme question?
[12:15] <MooDoo> !ask
[12:15] <MooDoo> :D
[12:17] <bowtie> Ok, the Ambiance theme, shows highlighted pop up windows  with white text on gray background, to me this is eligible, where do I have tyo go to hack file and change colour settings,
[12:21]  * alanbell1 grumbles at silly FTTC setup
[12:22] <alanbell1> it was working really well for an hour or two
[12:22] <hamitron> grumbles \o/
[12:22] <daubers> alanbell1: Broked it already?
[12:22] <alanbell1> yeah
[12:22] <hamitron> :/
[12:22] <alanbell1> fun call with support configuring PPPoE connection on Ubuntu though
[12:23] <daubers> PPPoE? Do you not get a router?
[12:23] <alanbell1> turns out they are going to activate the account tomorrow (even though it worked this morning)
[12:23] <alanbell1> yes, part of the troubleshooting was plug direct into the DSL modem and set up PPPoE
[12:24] <daubers> ah, ok
[12:24] <alanbell1> to take the router out of the equation
[12:24] <hamitron> alanbell1: good to see they know what they are doing, and letting you know ;)
[12:24] <hamitron> who is this through?
[12:24] <alanbell1> plus.net
[12:24] <hamitron> :(
[12:24] <alanbell1> it was smokin' fast when it worked
[12:24] <hamitron> I was considering switching to them....
[12:25] <alanbell1> 34MB down, 1.6MB up
[12:25] <hamitron> not for fast stuff though
[12:25] <daubers> alanbell1: That makes me a sad panda :( Stupid 18 month contract terms
[12:25] <alanbell1> now I have to get a wireless dongle working on my server too
[12:25] <alanbell1> Bus 002 Device 008: ID 7392:7722 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd
[12:26] <directhex> alanbell1, bt infinity?
[12:26] <alanbell1> directhex: 21CN stuff, yeah
[12:26] <directhex> well, rebranded infinity anyway
[12:26] <directhex> i'm wondering if changing to fininity will help fix my line reliability
[12:27] <alanbell1> probably would as only the last few meters are copper
[12:28] <directhex> if nothing else, if i buy from BT, that should help avoid the finger-pointing dance between ISP and BT
[12:30] <directhex> ridiculous though. a month ago i had 16Mib down. one BT visit later, a new phone line installed, I get 10 down.
[12:30] <daubers> directhex: you obviously didn't supply the BT man with a good enough cup of tea :)
[12:30] <daubers> or substandard biscuits
[12:31] <directhex> i offered...
[12:31] <daubers> :)
[12:31] <directhex> anyway, the new line is way slower than the old one, and no more reliable. and be won't help anymore, they're telling me to ring BT. who charge £120 for engineer visits, unless a problem can be proven in THEIR kit. and a line test reports no problem
[12:32] <directhex> so i need to spend £120 on an engineer to tell me it's all Be's fault
[12:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's fairly subtle coming from you dude ;)
[12:35] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i'm trying to be nice.
[12:35] <daubers> directhex: I can do that for you for £119.99
[12:35] <davmor2> MooDoo: you fail at that too then :D
[12:39] <alanbell1> well this wireless dongle isn't just working :(
[12:39] <davmor2> alanbell1: what the chipset and what ubuntu version?
[12:40] <alanbell1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/657888/
[12:40] <alanbell1> Ubuntu 11.04
[12:40] <MooDoo> oi czajkowski *POKE*
[12:40] <alanbell1> I believe it may be a ralink chipset based on googling the USB ID
[12:41] <davmor2> alanbell1: if it's a ralink 5390 there is now a driver for it in oneiric but not on by default anywhere else in Ubuntu land
[12:42] <alanbell1> Ralink RT3072 perhaps
[12:42] <alanbell1> https://usb-ids.gowdy.us/read/UD/7392/7722
[12:42] <davmor2> alanbell1: you may need to grab the driver from ralink direct unfortunately
[12:43] <alanbell1> would it work in oneiric?
[12:45] <czajkowski> MooDoo: sup
[12:46] <MooDoo> czajkowski: just wanted to let you know i'm still annoyingly here and haven't forgotten about you :)
[12:46] <czajkowski> ok...
[12:46]  * czajkowski goes back to cleaning 
[12:49] <davmor2> czajkowski: I don't believe you were cleaning at all :P
[13:43]  * daubers puts on BBC Radio Wiltshire
[13:51] <MooDoo> daubers: oi stop it, radio 2 is the only way to go ;)
[13:51] <daubers> MooDoo: Friend of mine is being interviewed about his book :)
[13:51] <MooDoo> sweet
[13:52] <MooDoo> i wrote a book once, it just consisted of my name, it wasn't an interesting read ;)
[13:52] <daubers> MooDoo: his first novel is released tomorrow
[13:53] <MooDoo> brillian
[13:57] <daubers> That was short
[13:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> ouch! http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2011/08/agile-in-the-nhs-10-years-5bn.html
[13:58] <MooDoo> sweetI'm sure i saw on the news thos morning it's been scrapped
[14:03] <alanbell1> there is a good reason they want to figure out how to trade with SMEs again
[14:04] <lightstream> nice work if you can get it
[14:06] <MooDoo> i'll sort the NHS out.....
[14:06] <MooDoo> alanbell1: your mission ;)
[14:07] <alanbell1> MooDoo: not taking on the NHS, even the cabinet office doesn't want to go there
[14:08] <alanbell1> it would be easier to get an RT3072 chipset USB wifi dongle working than it would be to fix the NHS
[14:11] <daubers> Be easier to fix all the issues I have with "Finder" on a mac then fix the NHS
[14:12] <alanbell1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/657953/
[14:12] <alanbell1> any ideas what to do about that lot?
[14:12] <alanbell1> I think I have downloaded probably the right module, I might have built it and installed it
[14:13] <daubers> alanbell1: Check the module is loaded with lsmod?
[14:14] <alanbell1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/657956/
[14:15] <alanbell1> that would be a no
[14:16] <daubers> alanbell1: Does it not even give you an eth back?
[14:16] <alanbell1> how do you mean?
[14:16] <alanbell1> it doesn't create eth1 or anything
[14:16] <daubers> alanbell1: Also which kernel are you running?
[14:17] <alanbell1> Linux playroom 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:18] <daubers> alanbell1: What happens if you modprobe the driver?
[14:19] <alanbell1> FATAL: Error inserting rt5370sta (/lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt5370sta.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[14:19] <alanbell1> if that is the right driver
[14:19] <daubers> is there no general rt3070 driver?
[14:19] <alanbell1> seemed to be the only thing that make install actually installed
[14:20]  * daubers despises wireless networking of all kinds
[14:21] <alanbell1> I downloaded "RT8070/RT3070/RT3370/RT5370/RT5372 USB" from http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=2
[14:21] <alanbell1> the release notes say it works on 3072, which I *think* I have
[14:22] <directhex> alanbell1, you can't just insert a .ko without building. the kernel has no stable ABI
[14:22] <alanbell1> I did make; sudo make install
[14:26] <alanbell1> there is a .c file with a list of USB ids that does't include my one, lets see what happens if I add it there
[14:28]  * popey has dd-wrt'ed a router
[14:28] <popey> its a bit nice
[14:28] <lightstream> ah was looking at that a while ago, the FOSS firmware?
[14:29] <lightstream> how easy was it to install?
[14:29] <gord> only a bit nice?
[14:33] <davmor2> gord: our minds must be on the same wavelength I was about to put the exact same thing :D
[14:33] <gord> note to self, copyright everything i say on irc
[14:34] <daubers> gord: I've copyrighted that statement, you owe me licence money!
[14:34] <gord> daubers, an ip address is not an admission of guilt!
[14:35]  * MooDoo is just checking the DB to see if i can dd-wrt mine
[14:35] <daubers> gord: That's ok, I've also copyrighted your IP address, so every packet you send means you owe me more in licencing \o/
[14:35] <MooDoo> ooo it is
[14:36] <popey> lightstream: very very
[14:36] <MooDoo> popey: did you just download the chk file and use the router interface to flash it?
[14:37] <popey> i just took one out of the box, and chose "router upgrade", uploaded the firmware file, wait a minute, job done
[14:37] <MooDoo> think i might try that
[14:37] <lightstream> what brand router popey ?
[14:37] <popey> Netgear WNDR3700v2
[14:38] <lightstream> ah cool i have a netgear, i shall check the model number when i get home
[14:38] <MooDoo> hmmm i've got a WNR2000 and it won't let me use the chk file, must read ore
[14:39] <alanbell1> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=64575 this looks close
[14:41] <alanbell1> yay, I have an ra0 device \o/
[14:41] <directhex> alanbell1, GPL-only symbols?
[14:41] <alanbell1> that could be the magic trick I guess
[14:42] <alanbell1> I thought it was the insmod from the folder rather than modprobe
[14:42] <popey> \o/ second access point flashed to dd-wrt
[14:42] <popey> only one more to go
[14:42] <alanbell1> anyhow it kind of works, network manager isn't picking it up and I haven't done the blacklist thing (which probably isn't required as it is an odd usb id)
[14:43] <MooDoo> pah my router isn't supported #fail
[14:43] <alanbell1> I think a reboot is in order o/
[14:43] <gord> huh, seems my router can do ddwrt too, but i'v finally got a router that works, so i'm not touching it
[14:44] <popey> loving the UI of this
[14:45] <MooDoo> i can't upgrade mine :(
[14:45] <popey> i might disable my superhub and just use this
[14:45] <popey> it has dual radios so does 2.4GHz and 5GHz
[14:46] <popey> haha, someone with an iphone keeps connecting to it
[14:47] <popey> I can see myself donating to this product
[14:47] <MooDoo> blimey
[14:54] <alanbell1> progress is being made, the module loads, I can do "ifconfig ra0 up" and I can do iwlist ra0 scanning and see my router name
[14:54] <alanbell1> network manager isn't seeing it though. Any ideas on that?
[14:54] <Mez> alanbell1: NM takes a while to pick things up.  Simplest thing is to connect an ethernet and then drop down to "disconnect"
[14:55] <Mez> which forces it to do a refresh, I've found
[14:55] <alanbell1> nope
[14:56] <alanbell1> !ping
[15:00] <alanbell1> lets see if I can connect to the router using the command line
[15:03] <alanbell1> hmm, no
[15:03] <bigcalm> What's the advised way of coping with “and” ?
[15:03] <alanbell1> can't set the essid using iwconfig
[15:06] <Azelphur> anyone know how to exclude certain directories from an rsnapshot backup?
[15:06] <Azelphur> like I want to do backup root@myserver:/ but I have certain things that are pointless and huge that I don't want backed up
[15:09] <bigcalm> Like an snv:ignore
[15:13] <Azelphur> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/08/03/0239242/Ripping-CDs-Set-To-Be-Legalized-In-UK yay
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Azelphur:
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Q: How do I exclude files/directories with spaces in their names, like Documents and Settings?
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> A: You can make use of the wildcard matching and replace the space with a ?, for example: exclude=Documents?and?Settings/ 			
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://rsnapshot.org/faq.html
[15:14] <Azelphur> fun :)
[15:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bit about using a exclude list here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-rsnapshot-backup-howto/
[15:21] <popey> MOO!
[15:21] <directhex> OINK!
[15:22] <DJones> NEIGH!
[15:22] <Azelphur> BAA!
[15:23] <DJones> Beef, Pork, Horse & Lamb, sounds like a french BBQ
[15:23] <directhex> QUACK!
[15:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Reads like a page from the kids book "Farmer Duck".
[15:29] <popey> dd-wrt.com seems dead :WS
[15:29] <popey> ⍨ even
[15:30] <hamitron> entire internet is
[15:30] <hamitron> :/
[15:30] <hamitron> well, broken anyway
[15:30] <hamitron> ;/
[15:41] <MooDoo> blimey fedora board meetings are just soooo boring to watch lol
[15:42] <gord> MooDoo, you suggest there are board meetings that are interesting to watch :)
[15:42] <MooDoo> :)
[15:42] <davmor2> popey: when you say seems dead do you mean no-one is working on it or the site is down?
[15:43] <MooDoo> seems ok here popey
[15:43] <MooDoo> http://dd-wrt.com/site/index
[15:54] <popey> it was dead when i said it
[15:54] <popey> it's back now
[15:54] <diplo> Hi all, mates laptop was set to login auto
[15:55] <diplo> Hes set it to require a password now
[15:55] <diplo> But when trying to login it says currently logged in
[15:55] <diplo> but doesn't load desktop
[15:55] <diplo> Can login via cli
[15:55] <diplo> Any ideas ?
[15:55] <diplo> Google isn't helping so far :)
[15:55] <popey> are you sat at it?
[15:55] <diplo> He is yeah
[15:55] <diplo> 2 foot away
[15:55] <popey> you are not?
[15:55] <popey> oh
[15:56] <popey> so rebooting takes him to gdm logon screen?
[15:56] <diplo> yep
[15:56] <diplo> Enters details, clicks login and just refreshes
[15:56] <diplo> and says currently logged in
[15:56] <popey> ooer
[15:57] <diplo> heh, first time for me as well
[15:57] <lightstream> but doing ctrl-alt-F1 lets him log in?
[15:57] <diplo> Yep
[15:57] <lightstream> weirdness
[15:57] <diplo> Tried passwd just to make sure
[15:58] <diplo> just trying useradd now, see if a new user can login
[15:58] <lightstream> probb a red herring, ie it's not that he's already logged in but someother issue that is making the login fail
[15:58] <lightstream> and the error reporting is 'jumping to conclusions'
[15:59] <diplo> ok, currently logged in was another tty
[15:59] <diplo> forgot to exit out
[15:59] <diplo> So created a new user, clicked on it and it just refreshes the login screen, doesn't offer to put pass in
[16:04] <diplo> So it seems its to do with gdm-session-worker assertion failed
[16:04] <diplo> googled for that now, if any one has any ideas ?
[16:06] <diplo> Hmm, too hot, he's given up for the day.. if we don't get anywhere in the morning I'll harass you all again
[16:06] <diplo> :)
[16:42] <ali1234> does anyone happen to know how much a ticket from london victoria to luton airport costs?
[16:42] <ali1234> (if you turn up and buy it on the day)
[16:46] <tubadaz> £16.00 single, £21.00 for a day return (according to the national rail website) :-)
[16:47] <ali1234> damn
[16:47] <ali1234> that's a total rip off :(
[16:47] <tubadaz> Welcome to UK rail pricing! :-(
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> Bus to luton is cheaper
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> "Green Line" are good.
[16:48] <ali1234> i can get a coach from nottingham to luton for £26
[16:48] <ali1234> or i can get a coach from nottingham to london victoria (which is about twice as far) for £9
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> http://www.greenline.co.uk/serviceInformation.aspx?id=12595
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> oh it's still £16 single
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> ripoff :)
[16:49] <tubadaz> national express are quoting me from £15 for a single on the coach!! :-O
[16:49] <ali1234> yes
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> this is why I took the train from Brussels to  St Pancras :)
[16:49] <tubadaz> plus a booking fee of 50p!!
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> £50 flight + £25 bus tickets = cheaper to take the train :)
[16:50] <ali1234> train nottingham to luton costs the same as well, £26
[16:50] <ali1234> but it takes an hour less
[16:56] <AlanBell> I am failing to connect my wireless by the command line
[16:56] <ali1234> popey: you can share a 3g dongle over wifi using openwrt. do not use dd-wrt, it is dumbed down rubbish
[16:56] <AlanBell> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid PlusnetWirelessYVMZVD key s:PQET7XLDQR
[16:56] <AlanBell> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :    SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
[16:57] <AlanBell> what am I doing wrong there? (the key is slightly different to the one I pasted)
[17:01] <popey> ali1234: i have already flashed it with dd-wrt :D
[17:02] <popey> ali1234: will have a look at openwrt when I get home, thanks
[17:04]  * brobostigon returns
[17:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Weekly Ubuntu Q+A Videocasts - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/08/03/weekly-ubuntu-qa-videocasts/
[18:07]  * peng42phone yawns from Peterborough train St
[18:15] <AlanBell> ooh, I think I am online
[18:15] <brobostigon> :)
[18:15] <brobostigon> you are, yes.
[18:16] <AlanBell> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1415791585.png
[18:17] <AlanBell> not as fast as it was this morning, I seem to have lost 14MB of download
[18:20] <peng42phone> New line?
[18:35] <AlanBell> I think the Fiber to the Cabinet box is overheating
[18:36] <brobostigon> :(
[18:38] <AlanBell> yeah, stories all over the net about them overheating when not wall mounted
[18:38] <brobostigon> ah.
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> This Intel 510 SSD rocks quite hard
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> Boot from BIOS to login screen is faster than the BIOS part ;)
[18:45] <popey> no speedtest for me!
[18:45] <popey> flash free august
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: the png AlanBell linked to will still work though :)
[18:45] <popey> hah
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: PNG is stallman-approved Free :)
[18:45] <popey> so i flashed 3 routers to dd-wrt
[18:46] <popey> now learn that openwrt is probably what I want/need
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: I thought one was a fork of the other
[18:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: What does it do that you need?
[18:51] <popey> openwrt supports 3g dongles
[18:52] <popey> which means I need to flash it back to netgear firmware then openwrt it
[18:52] <popey> tried going dd-wrt -> openwrt but it helpfully says "update failed"
[18:53] <hamitron> are they not merging towards each other?
[18:53] <popey> no idea
[18:54] <hamitron> I read they are to reduce work or something
[18:54] <mgdm> it'd make sense
[18:54] <peng42phone> Popeye's: that's pretty helpful compared to bricking
[18:54] <popey> true
[18:54] <ali1234> openwrt does not "support 3g dongles" any more than any other linux distribution
[18:55] <ali1234> it merely allows you to do whatever you want
[18:55] <ali1234> while dd-wrt doesn't
[18:55] <popey> gotcha
[18:55] <hamitron> you have the right to break things on openwrt.... :-o
[18:55] <ali1234> 3g dongles are no different to any other ppp dial up
[18:55]  * hamitron switches
[18:57] <ali1234> dd-wrt is for people who want to run a custom firmware but don't need any features that aren't in the standard firmware
[18:58] <hamitron> the one thing missing from dd-wrt for me... I'm like ipv6 and vpn supported at the same time
[18:58] <hamitron> I'd*
[18:59] <hamitron> but not looked closely
[18:59] <hamitron> just didn't seem to be a simple option available
[18:59] <ali1234> that's because such things are not simple
[19:00] <hamitron> a lazy tinkerer doesn't get much tinkering  done
[19:00] <hamitron> :/
[19:00] <hamitron> well
[19:00] <hamitron> there was no firmware build with both in, that will fit on my router
[19:00] <hamitron> :/
[19:01] <hamitron> didn't even get to the point of attempting to set it up
[19:01] <ali1234> openwrt is customizable
[19:01] <hamitron> and if anything recently, I've been reducing the options I have
[19:02] <ali1234> you can remove packages you don't need to make room... like the web interface
[19:02] <hamitron> so it would be better for me
[19:02] <hamitron> :)
[19:02] <hamitron> just so much to do in life
[19:02] <hamitron> :/
[19:02] <hamitron> and so little time
[19:28] <shauno> okay.  here's a fun one.  why does irssi keep getting killed by SIGALRM
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> shauno: because you loaded a plugin that called alarm() but not a signal handler
[19:46] <shauno> shoulda thought to look at new scripts.  even though that's been running a good 6 weeks now
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> Fry's English Delight is great this week :)
[20:09] <peng42phone> Hmm, the expected arrival time of my train keeps getting later
[20:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E12  More Tea Vicar - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/08/03/s04e12-more-tea-vicar/
[21:21] <popey> anyone fancy helping me debug a ppp 3g issue?
[21:23] <bigcalm> I would do, but I have to go play taxi man now and pick up Hayley
[21:23] <popey> ok
[21:24] <AlanBell> how are you getting on with the liberated routers?
[21:24] <popey> i have openwrt on one
[21:24] <popey> and have plugged a known working 3g dongle into it
[21:25] <popey> but can't seem to get it to dial
[21:25] <AlanBell> is the dongle in useless mode?
[21:25] <popey> no, I think it's good
[21:25] <AlanBell> or in I am a modem mode
[21:25] <popey> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 19d2:0031 ONDA Communication S.p.A. ZTE MF636
[21:25] <popey> 19d2:2000 is useless mode I believe
[21:26] <popey>  /dev/ttyUSB0-2 exist
[21:26] <popey> which is a start
[21:26] <ali1234> so what happens when you send "AT" to it?
[21:26] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658237/
[21:26] <AlanBell> can you talk to it with minicom or something?
[21:26] <popey> thats what ppp is doing
[21:26] <ali1234> pppd is useless for debugging
[21:26] <ali1234> use minicom
[21:27] <popey> ok
[21:27] <popey> root@hawking:~# opkg search minicom
[21:27] <popey> root@hawking:~#
[21:27] <ali1234> "AT&F" is some crazy stuff i never heard of
[21:27] <popey> ☹
[21:28] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658247/
[21:28] <popey> i believe its using that
[21:28] <ali1234> yeah delete all that rubbish
[21:28] <ali1234> it's different for every dongle
[21:28] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658248/
[21:28] <popey> thats from my /etc/config/networking
[21:28] <popey>  -ing
[21:29] <ali1234> AT&F and ATE1 are not needed
[21:29] <ali1234> but you have to put the dongle online
[21:29] <ali1234> whoever wrote that script has no clue :)
[21:29] <popey> heh
[21:29] <popey> dunno where it came from
[21:29] <ali1234> but it doesn't help that every dongle is different
[21:30] <ali1234> ATE1 = local echo
[21:31] <ali1234> you probably need ATV1 too for verbose mode otherwise it won't return "OK"
[21:31] <ali1234> then you have to send
[21:31] <ali1234> AT+CFUN=1
[21:31] <ali1234> AT+COPS=0
[21:31] <ali1234> then you can send AT+CGDCONT...
[21:32] <mgdm> AT&F was, if I remember over 10 years ago correctly, something to reset bits inside the modem
[21:32] <mgdm> I forget exactly what bits
[21:32] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658252/
[21:32] <popey> like that?
[21:32] <ali1234> no
[21:32] <ali1234> that will wait for ever for "OK" before it sends anything
[21:32] <ali1234> line 6 must start with ""
[21:32] <popey> oh
[21:32] <popey> gotcha
[21:33] <ali1234> and put ATE1 back in
[21:33] <ali1234> after ATV1
[21:33] <ali1234> and you should do this using a terminal emulator
[21:33] <ali1234> picocom, microcom, or cu
[21:33] <ali1234> or just cat and echo
[21:33] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658253/
[21:34] <ali1234> ok
[21:34] <ali1234> no
[21:34] <ali1234> ATV1
[21:35] <popey> que
[21:35] <popey> sorry, being dim
[21:43] <czajkowski> whooooooooooo going back to ireland for 10 days :D
[21:43] <mgdm> \o/
[21:43] <shauno> any chance you can bring some sun with ya ?
[21:44] <czajkowski> if I've not melted by then sure
[21:45] <shauno> meant to be heading out to the aran islands on saturday.  would be nice if they could pause the drizzle for 12 hours
[21:46] <czajkowski> it was 30 today here
[21:47] <czajkowski> well said 28 outdoors
[21:47] <czajkowski> damn hotter indoors
[21:49] <AlanBell> czajkowski: when are you going?
[21:51] <Laney> I went climbing today. Some of the holds were seriously sweaty due to the extreme heat :(
[21:51] <Azelphur> anyone happen to know what all the wildcard characters are for irc hostmask matches?
[21:51] <Azelphur> I think it's just * and ? right?
[21:53] <mgdm> IIRC, yes, pretty much the same as shell globs
[21:53] <Azelphur> :)
[21:53] <mgdm> You'd think I'd remember being staff and everything, but no...
[21:53] <Azelphur> haha
[21:57] <popey> grrrr
[22:00] <czajkowski> AlanBell: 23/8 - 1/9
[22:00] <popey> \o/
[22:01]  * AlanBell checks diary
[22:01] <popey> thought for a moment you'd be away for oggcamp!
[22:02] <czajkowski> popey: and you went \o/ ;)
[22:03] <czajkowski> seeing as have to sign on here every 2 weeks going in between for a wee break back home
[22:03] <czajkowski> heading straight to Lahinch :D
[22:04] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658266/
[22:04] <popey> nearly there!
[22:06] <czajkowski> popey: whatcha doing...
[22:06] <popey> trying to get a backup router working for oggcamp
[22:06] <popey> in case we need it for internet access
[22:06] <czajkowski> ahh
[22:06] <czajkowski> smart
[22:06] <popey> frustrating
[22:06] <popey> so close
[22:06] <hamitron> "need"
[22:06] <hamitron> ;/
[22:06] <popey> yeah, some people will need internet access for their talks
[22:07] <czajkowski> popey: you giving a talk
[22:07] <popey> dunno yet
[22:07] <popey> not written one yet
[22:07] <popey> not had time
[22:07] <czajkowski> I was thinking about it
[22:07] <czajkowski> but don't know what I could talk on
[22:09] <dwatkins> bringing Ubuntu to the masses?
[22:19] <gord> yay, want a new router already
[22:19] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I will be flying back on the 23rd
[22:21] <czajkowski> to or from shannon ?
[22:21] <AlanBell> from shannon to gatwick
[22:21] <AlanBell> I will wave at you out of the window as we go past
[22:37] <AlanBell> crap, no static IP address for me :(
[22:40]  * mgdm waves his static IP \o/
[22:40] <mgdm> AlanBell: how come?
[22:41] <AlanBell> not available on this service apparently
[22:41] <AlanBell> even though I very specifically asked for one when ordering and was told that I could add one for £5 after setup
[22:42] <AlanBell> now I am told to go use dyndns :(
[22:43] <popey> Oh look, it's Sterly-worded-letter-of-complaint O'Clock!
[22:43] <AlanBell> bed o'clock
[22:43] <popey> thatalso
[22:44] <AlanBell> I will get by with dyndns and assuming that if I keep everything on I keep the address
[23:06] <czajkowski> AlanBell: leave @ 6:50am flight
[23:06] <czajkowski> only time to fly to shannon from gatwick
[23:33] <ali1234> popey: the dial string is different across all dongles
[23:36] <ali1234> also, is it the free 3 dongle?
[23:37] <ali1234> because that needs an extra command to enable 3G data mode