=== webpigeon_laptop is now known as Guest80704 [06:45] morning all [06:45] morning AlanBell [06:53] anyone watch the piece still currently playing on BBC1 about copyright? [07:11] Morning [07:14] morning [07:17] very quiet this morning [07:18] It was yesterday suggested that my hd could be dying. Hence I backed up and transferred my files to saftey. However, before simply binning my 500gb hd I thought I'd run the defect detector on the live cd and it came back with zero errors? Is this a reliable test to tell me about the health of the hd? [07:19] "defect detector"? [07:19] do you mean the SMART long test in the Disk Utility (palimpsest) [07:20] MartijnVdS: on the live cd there is a Memory test and test for hd, no? [07:20] I forget what it's called exactly, but it checks the hd for defects afaik. [07:20] livingdaylight: As far as I know that checks the CD for defects [07:21] ahhh, okay,.... that's not what I need, lol [07:21] How can I test the disc before chucking it in the bin? [07:21] livingdaylight: start the live environment, then start the disk utility, and have it do a "Long" or "Extended" test [07:21] not the disc, the hard drive, sorrry [07:21] livingdaylight: ^^ [07:22] * livingdaylight needs a coffee [07:23] livingdaylight: SMART is not necessarily a good indicator of disk health :( [07:23] daubers: SMART saying your disk is bad _is_ a good indicator [07:23] daubers: SMART saying your disk is good isn't :) [07:23] MartijnVdS: Well.. sometimes. I've seen a couple of disks flip from "bad" to "good" within a few minutes [07:23] stupid smart [07:23] so, SMART can say the disc is good but it is still in fact bad? [07:24] livingdaylight: Yes, sometimes [07:24] daubers: sure, but once you get a "bad" signal, you replace the disk [07:24] not very smart :s [07:24] MartijnVdS: Assuming the disk hasn't already just failed before it's gone to a "bad" state [07:25] Either my hd died or Ubuntu had a meltdown for the first time in all the years that I've been using it. [07:25] livingdaylight: use the tool described above and have a look, SMART may tell you the disk is bad, it may not :) [07:26] is there another, more reliable test? [07:26] livingdaylight: As rubbish as SMART is, it's the best tool for this kind of thing at the moment [07:26] ok [07:26] I'd rather not chuck a 500gb hd, on a whim [07:27] I'm probably just in denial still about its death [07:27] a little traumatic [07:27] livingdaylight: You get used to them after a while [07:45] hello all [07:46] G'morning MooDoo [07:50] :) [07:50] o/ [07:58] not sure I found and used SMART in Disc Utility or not. But there are some bad sectors. Does that make an entire hd unusable? [08:00] nah, that's normal [08:01] but a lot of bad sectors, or a high rate of allocating bad sectors, suggests it's going to die soon [08:01] some, though, not so bad. Zero is better, though [08:03] some bad sectors isn't that normal ;) [08:03] you'll want to run bad blocks on the drive at least to stop the bad sectors from being used [08:06] * BigRedS might just have low standards and good backups... [08:09] Good morning all! [08:10] Where /how do I run bad blocks? [08:11] Using irc client on smart phone for the first time [08:11] I is like :) [08:15] gord: drives remap bad sectors. As soon as it runs out of remapping sectors, I replace the disk usually [08:16] MartijnVdS, in my experience, not automatically [08:16] gord: I'm paranoid ;) [08:18] Morning peeps :) [08:18] it's biggie calms :P [08:22] morning pah! [08:26] There is a poem called fish by Mary Ann Hoberman and I can't read it because of"rights issues" as I'm outside of the usa - ridiculous [08:27] fibre to the cabinet about to be installed \o/ [08:27] AlanBell: \o/ [08:29] o/ [08:30] livingdaylight2: proxy? [08:32] have to use the stupid revo keyboard today because ubuntu forgot how to talk to my wireless one :( [08:37] Auto complete difficult on Android orc, with swype anyway. [08:47] mornign all o/ [08:50] oh that's just typical. an hour after I wipe my phone, gmail decides it's "that time of the month" and asks me to use the authenticator thingie [08:53] lol [08:53] Tried to install Moneydance from their deb. It come up with the warning as described in the following link. http://help.infinitekind.com/discussions/switching-to-moneydance-from-microsoft-money/1370-installing-deb-on-ubuntu Is it just me or is just using gdebi to circumnavigate the warning not the way forward... [08:56] hopefully he meant what he said about looking into fixing it [08:56] but yeah. teaching people to ignore spurious warnings isn't cool [08:59] Good morning [08:59] \o popey [08:59] Good moaning [08:59] popey: I ordered my SSD -- http://www.anandtech.com/show/4202/the-intel-ssd-510-review [09:00] MartijnVdS: putting ubuntu on it? [09:01] trying to type on this backup keyboard is hard =\ i keep taking screenshots or paging down or opening menus... its basically like if mr bean used a computer [09:01] MooDoo: Yes (and I know about the "discard" mount option) [09:02] MartijnVdS: discard what? [09:03] MartijnVdS: i've not used that with my ssd [09:06] MooDoo: it tells the SSD about which regions are "empty" so it can use its internal wear-leveling more efficiently [09:06] MooDoo: i.e. when you delete files [09:08] which means it should (note: should) last longer [09:08] MartijnVdS: ok, but readin around that was only needed in 10.10, does 11.04 already have this? [09:09] MooDoo: in oneiric, in the "mount" manual page, it says it's disabled by default [09:09] ah [09:09] MooDoo: on natty it's not even in the manual [09:11] MartijnVdS: I thought that was dealt with automagically by TRIM these days? [09:11] daubers: I thought so, but not according to that manpage [09:12] odd [09:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM#Discard_parameter_in_Linux [09:12] i don't think it's anything to worry about, my ssd works very well :D [09:13] but will it in a few years? :) [09:13] ;) [09:14] well guess what i'm doing when i get home :D [09:15] [Paul Mellors] Vmware + NAS - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/vmware-nas.html [09:15] oh rats, that wasn't supposed to go on the planet....grrrr post tags [09:20] Oooo, finally a working version of android for the Joggler? [09:20] Aloha [09:20] hi livingdaylight2 [09:21] Hi [09:22] Swype doesn't have a tab key [09:23] livingdaylight2: is this in a terminal emulator? [09:23] which one are you using? If you tap the screen just above teh keyboard in irssi it gives some buttons for other keys [09:23] I think tab's in there [09:24] * selinuxium still loving my Galaxy S II [09:24] Andchat is my irc client of choice [09:24] er, not irssi, connectbot [09:24] I just use 'irssi connectbot' so I forget it's not called irssi [09:25] Using Yaaic and swype [09:26] Maybe using the wrong client then, or keyboard :) [09:33] In andchat, pressing search after a few letters will do nick autocomplete [09:33] Very handy [09:34] ok, this is saner [09:35] * andylockran was in #ubuntu and all sorts of silly stuff was happening there [09:36] bigcalm, Android? Joggler? where? :) [09:41] selinuxium: https://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/98679623663095808 [09:41] :D [09:41] works really nicely [09:41] It might be what gets me to turn my Joggler back on [09:44] :D [09:45] Andylockran such as? [09:46] livingdaylight2: guy suggesting he was on drugs and trolling [09:47] Cheers popey, bigcalm [09:48] * popey lols at MooDoo [09:52] http://twitpic.com/60975a [09:52] 2 days after "leaving facebook" :D [09:53] :p [09:53] :p [09:53] :p [09:53] :p [09:53] i got told off [09:53] by my mum [09:54] haha [09:54] but thanks for making me feel small and inadiquate as usual popey :p [09:54] :D [09:54] NP! [09:54] :P [09:54] :O [09:55] * shauno wonders if it's appropriate to point & laugh when he barely knows these people [09:55] I'm lost [09:55] shauno: why not everyone else does [09:55] bigcalm: i closed my facebook account then re-opened it 3 days later....:( [09:55] MooDoo: Har Har! [09:55] now popey is taking the mick ;) [09:56] shauno: pah! i don't even know you, cheeky s*d ;) [09:56] MooDoo: awww. The power of mums :) [09:56] heh. it happens. my mother's idea of emailing me is trusting that facebook will email me for her [09:57] i got the "your selfish, how can i view pictures of my grandkids now" [09:57] nearly 40 and still under the thumb ;) [09:57] is she local enough to drop them on her doorstep? [09:58] MooDoo: invite her to G+? [09:58] (extra comedic value if 'local' is only vaguely the same country) [09:58] and use picasa [09:58] popey: it took all our efforts to get them onto facebook [09:58] hahah [09:58] Aloha [09:58] its all good fun [09:59] MooDoo, change their hosts file to point at plus.google.com ;) [09:59] hah [09:59] "Facebook has been updated" [10:00] Morning czajkowski :) [10:00] that would be fantastic. it's funny enough seeing them scream in pain every time a box moves somewhere else as it is :D [10:00] hi czajkowski [10:00] I nhave a HP Photosmart Printer Scanner, I just connected it to my Ubuntu 10.10 laptop, it recognised it, but I cant get it to scan, is there something I am missing? [10:01] MooDoo: bigcalm hi [10:01] scoundrel50a, how are you trying to get it to scan? [10:01] scoundrel50a: Which model is it? [10:02] i have a photosmart c4700 scanning just fine next to me :) [10:02] morning all [10:02] morning davmor2 [10:02] C3180 and I am pressing the scan button, but it says it cant connect to pc.......even though I can get it to print [10:02] yeah, dont do that [10:02] open "Simple Scan" on Ubuntu [10:02] scoundrel50a: Try manually scanning using xsane/simple scan etc [10:02] ah, where is that, do I have to install it? [10:02] it should be pre-installed [10:02] morning MooDoo [10:03] Simple Scan, that is [10:03] simple scan should be installed [10:03] ok, one sec will go loo [10:03] TMI! [10:03] :D [10:03] where is it? [10:03] popey: think they missed that one popey :) [10:03] popey: Will you slow down typing, I can't keep up :) [10:03] indeed [10:03] :D [10:03] * popey goes to get coffee [10:03] ok got it, thank you [10:04] * MooDoo has to purchase an external cd-writer for my laptop :( [10:04] The milk went off this morning when I made my 1st mug of coffee. I has a sad :( [10:05] oh my gosh,t nhat worked, brilliant, spent hours trying to get that working,. thank you [10:05] scoundrel50a: The scan button on the printer doesn't do anything on mine either, I always use the app [10:05] Glad it worked for you :) [10:05] MooDoo: what for? use a usb pen drive like the rest of us ;) [10:05] davmor2: yeah i suppose i could do that.... [10:05] davmor2: can't burn cd's with that though can i :p [10:06] I just don't 'do' paper. problem(s) solved \o/ [10:06] MooDoo: Its a dangerous path doing that, I bought a usb cd/dvd writer when the built in one started to go funny instead of buying a new computer, 2 months later I bough a new computer [10:07] DJones: i can't afford that, so i definately won't be doing that.... [10:07] MooDoo: Neither could I [10:07] reminds me, the system I work on at work, just gained fax support in the last feature cycle. go 2011 ;) [10:07] DJones: baby in 5 weeks... [10:07] Then I got a policy refund which more than covered the cost :) [10:08] MooDoo: shouldn't of got a naff laptop then should you ;) [10:08] davmor2: it's a good laptop but about 3 years old [10:08] MooDoo: The writer I picked up only cost £25, but still a waste of money with hindsight [10:09] i'm nipping over to best buy at lunch to see what they have. [10:10] MooDoo: local pc shop caddy is about 12-15 quid if you already have a cd writer knocking about failing that a cheap writer is about 8 quid [10:10] This was in a 2nd hand shop, just happened to spot it in the window, liteon cd/dvd, twin usb connection, worked well while I needed it [10:14] i'll take a look around, i suppose i can live with out it [10:17] MooDoo: you gave up on giving up on FB then dude? didn't last long :) [10:20] i wonder if it's possible to detect the scan button and do something in ubuntu [10:21] depends how the scan button emits a signal, i guess [10:21] my laptop is going soo slow today on natty alt tabbing is taking forever :/ [10:22] really wondering about wiping and re installing [10:22] but don't want to lose all my emails and settings in thunderbird [10:23] czajkowski: install ccsm and switch off the 2 second delay alt tab should then be faster :) [10:24] * davmor2 prods czajkowski for not knowing that already :D [10:24] popey: The HPLIP package apparently doesn't support the scan to pc feature [10:25] czajkowski: have you tweaked the alt-tab delay in CCSM? [10:25] I don't even know what CCSM is :/ [10:25] we default to having a delay in popping up the ALT+TAB dialog [10:25] (which is mental) [10:25] compizconfig-settings-manager [10:25] ahh no not tweaked anything but it's soo slow on the tosh [10:26] install unity-2d [10:26] czajkowski: install oneiric [10:26] much faster [10:26] dont listen to him [10:27] I've no intention of installing oneiric just yet [10:27] need at least 1 working machine [10:27] popey: it's nearly stable and it's faster [10:27] popey: will install 2d on this one [10:27] popey: thanks [10:28] who makes these crazy decsisons on default [10:28] *defaults [10:28] davmor2: your crazy, do you do it ;) [10:29] czajkowski: I'll point at gord he can tell you [10:30] i know noooothing [10:30] gord: was it you.... [10:30] * czajkowski peers at gord [10:30] czajkowski: see how quickly he denies it :) [10:30] davmor2: you'd deny it too if I were peering at you [10:30] czajkowski: http://www.only10types.com/2011/06/ubuntu-1104-natty-slow-alttab-window.html [10:30] * MooDoo thinks davmor2 is casuing trouble this morning [10:30] do that on unity 3d [10:30] see if that improves it [10:30] laptop was fine till around a week or so ago, when it started to slow down [10:31] if it doesn't then switch to 2d [10:31] czajkowski: nah I'd just say "and!" :D [10:31] if it started getting slow a week ago then i would suspect something else eating up your ram or cpu or something [10:31] MooDoo: it's not my fault you went running back to facebook :P [10:32] davmor2: shut it...!! [10:32] popey: cheers will do [10:32] davmor2: you wouldn't of known if that varlet popey hadn't of grassed me up ;) [10:32] haha [10:32] s/varlet/harlet/ [10:33] i guess [10:33] popey: no varlet [10:33] MooDoo: the post poped up in gwibber this morning when I switched on [10:33] A dishonest or unprincipled man [10:33] :p [10:33] Maybe popey thinks of himself as a harlet [10:33] lol [10:34] wouldn't that be harlot though? [10:34] MooDoo: That makes you the varlet, popey said starting the clock and stopping the clock, you were the one with the lack of principles :P [10:35] davmor2: pah! stop being clever, it's just not you...:) [10:36] now we all know our place, popey is a stop watch, you are a varlet, I ain't clever and czajkowski is just pure violence :) [10:36] yeah but we all like czajkowski ;) [10:37] How do you empty the mailq? -q attempts to deliver [10:38] bigcalm: what base, qmail, postfix? [10:39] Erm, good question. Most likely postfix [10:39] postqueue -f [10:39] postsuper -d ALL [10:40] or did you mean "empty" as in "erase" [10:40] postqueue -f flushes [10:40] erase [10:40] erasing mail is naughty. and evil. [10:40] so it'll try to redeliver.. you want postsuper -d [10:40] and yeah, Kirrus is correct [10:40] directhex: this is my dev system [10:40] You can use a mailid instead of 'ALL' if you want to be more picky [10:40] Mail in the Q is not going anywhere [10:41] Kirrus: thanks for that :) [10:41] bigcalm: thank google ;) .. That how I found it last time I needed it ;) [11:05] Unexpected bonus - apparently was paying too much tax since April. Glad my employer is on the ball. 57 quid I wasn't expecting this month [11:05] :/ [11:05] Tempting to buy more toys, will put it aside for oggcamp instead [11:05] pah me wants to go to ogg camp.... [11:06] anyone know how to deliver a baby just in case i decide to go with the misses ;) [11:06] * dogmatic69 has done this [11:06] popey: thanks all working now much faster [11:06] its not too hard, unless there are complications [11:07] dogmatic69: :) [11:07] MooDoo: especially if its not the first [11:08] oggcamp website looks ace :) [11:10] * MooDoo wonders if oggcamp is becoming the new Lug Radio live ;) [11:32] Heh, IE users may not be as dumb as recent media reports have suggested http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14389430 Its the media people who reported that are the dumb ones [11:33] Aw [11:33] Yeah, It's as if the BBC are trying to gain a reputation for not fact-checking [11:36] \o/ pub o'clock! [11:36] :) [11:40] * TheOpenSourcerer has decided on this Friday for the West Dean Chilli Fiesta :-D [11:42] TheOpenSourcerer, i found a bag of chilli stuff in the cupboard which i brought back from a business trip to san antonio. next week i'll be making texas roadhouse chilli, and also carnitas :) [11:42] TheOpenSourcerer: does the rest of west dean know about this? [11:42] davmor2: http://www.westdean.org.uk/Garden/News%20and%20Events/ChilliFiesta.aspx [11:47] gord you might know why doesn't 2d unity have the same launchers in it as 3d unity surely they use the same source to get the info right? [11:47] davmor2, they should have the same launchers, but there was an update recently that reset everyones launchers so maybe something got confused [11:49] gord: oh nice it does now :) for ages it didn't so there must of been an update that fixed it :) [11:51] nothing more disappointing than a graze box full of things you don't want :( [11:53] gord: I think you'll find there is, a gaze box that was full of things you like but is now empty when you really need some [12:06] davmor2: facebook reply is availabvle [12:10] hi all [12:13] hi bowtie :) [12:14] MooDoo, is this the write place to ask a theme question? [12:15] !ask [12:15] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [12:15] :D [12:17] Ok, the Ambiance theme, shows highlighted pop up windows with white text on gray background, to me this is eligible, where do I have tyo go to hack file and change colour settings, [12:21] * alanbell1 grumbles at silly FTTC setup [12:22] it was working really well for an hour or two [12:22] grumbles \o/ [12:22] alanbell1: Broked it already? [12:22] yeah [12:22] :/ [12:22] fun call with support configuring PPPoE connection on Ubuntu though [12:23] PPPoE? Do you not get a router? [12:23] turns out they are going to activate the account tomorrow (even though it worked this morning) [12:23] yes, part of the troubleshooting was plug direct into the DSL modem and set up PPPoE [12:24] ah, ok [12:24] to take the router out of the equation [12:24] alanbell1: good to see they know what they are doing, and letting you know ;) [12:24] who is this through? [12:24] plus.net [12:24] :( [12:24] it was smokin' fast when it worked [12:24] I was considering switching to them.... [12:25] 34MB down, 1.6MB up [12:25] not for fast stuff though [12:25] alanbell1: That makes me a sad panda :( Stupid 18 month contract terms [12:25] now I have to get a wireless dongle working on my server too [12:25] Bus 002 Device 008: ID 7392:7722 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd [12:26] alanbell1, bt infinity? [12:26] directhex: 21CN stuff, yeah [12:26] well, rebranded infinity anyway [12:26] i'm wondering if changing to fininity will help fix my line reliability [12:27] probably would as only the last few meters are copper [12:28] if nothing else, if i buy from BT, that should help avoid the finger-pointing dance between ISP and BT [12:30] ridiculous though. a month ago i had 16Mib down. one BT visit later, a new phone line installed, I get 10 down. [12:30] directhex: you obviously didn't supply the BT man with a good enough cup of tea :) [12:30] or substandard biscuits [12:31] i offered... [12:31] :) [12:31] anyway, the new line is way slower than the old one, and no more reliable. and be won't help anymore, they're telling me to ring BT. who charge £120 for engineer visits, unless a problem can be proven in THEIR kit. and a line test reports no problem [12:32] so i need to spend £120 on an engineer to tell me it's all Be's fault [12:34] MooDoo: that's fairly subtle coming from you dude ;) [12:35] davmor2: yeah i'm trying to be nice. [12:35] directhex: I can do that for you for £119.99 [12:35] MooDoo: you fail at that too then :D [12:39] well this wireless dongle isn't just working :( [12:39] alanbell1: what the chipset and what ubuntu version? [12:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/657888/ [12:40] Ubuntu 11.04 [12:40] oi czajkowski *POKE* [12:40] I believe it may be a ralink chipset based on googling the USB ID [12:41] alanbell1: if it's a ralink 5390 there is now a driver for it in oneiric but not on by default anywhere else in Ubuntu land [12:42] Ralink RT3072 perhaps [12:42] https://usb-ids.gowdy.us/read/UD/7392/7722 [12:42] alanbell1: you may need to grab the driver from ralink direct unfortunately [12:43] would it work in oneiric? [12:45] MooDoo: sup [12:46] czajkowski: just wanted to let you know i'm still annoyingly here and haven't forgotten about you :) [12:46] ok... [12:46] * czajkowski goes back to cleaning [12:49] czajkowski: I don't believe you were cleaning at all :P [13:43] * daubers puts on BBC Radio Wiltshire [13:51] daubers: oi stop it, radio 2 is the only way to go ;) [13:51] MooDoo: Friend of mine is being interviewed about his book :) [13:51] sweet [13:52] i wrote a book once, it just consisted of my name, it wasn't an interesting read ;) [13:52] MooDoo: his first novel is released tomorrow [13:53] brillian [13:57] That was short [13:58] ouch! http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2011/08/agile-in-the-nhs-10-years-5bn.html [13:58] sweetI'm sure i saw on the news thos morning it's been scrapped [14:03] there is a good reason they want to figure out how to trade with SMEs again [14:04] nice work if you can get it [14:06] i'll sort the NHS out..... [14:06] alanbell1: your mission ;) [14:07] MooDoo: not taking on the NHS, even the cabinet office doesn't want to go there [14:08] it would be easier to get an RT3072 chipset USB wifi dongle working than it would be to fix the NHS [14:11] Be easier to fix all the issues I have with "Finder" on a mac then fix the NHS [14:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/657953/ [14:12] any ideas what to do about that lot? [14:12] I think I have downloaded probably the right module, I might have built it and installed it [14:13] alanbell1: Check the module is loaded with lsmod? [14:14] http://paste.ubuntu.com/657956/ [14:15] that would be a no [14:16] alanbell1: Does it not even give you an eth back? [14:16] how do you mean? [14:16] it doesn't create eth1 or anything [14:16] alanbell1: Also which kernel are you running? [14:17] Linux playroom 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [14:18] alanbell1: What happens if you modprobe the driver? [14:19] FATAL: Error inserting rt5370sta (/lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt5370sta.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) [14:19] if that is the right driver [14:19] is there no general rt3070 driver? [14:19] seemed to be the only thing that make install actually installed [14:20] * daubers despises wireless networking of all kinds [14:21] I downloaded "RT8070/RT3070/RT3370/RT5370/RT5372 USB" from http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=2 [14:21] the release notes say it works on 3072, which I *think* I have [14:22] alanbell1, you can't just insert a .ko without building. the kernel has no stable ABI [14:22] I did make; sudo make install [14:26] there is a .c file with a list of USB ids that does't include my one, lets see what happens if I add it there [14:28] * popey has dd-wrt'ed a router [14:28] its a bit nice [14:28] ah was looking at that a while ago, the FOSS firmware? [14:29]