[00:03] <astraljava> charlie-tca: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqEn7AAq5E
[00:33] <charlie-tca> new alternate images are up
[00:33] <charlie-tca> still waiting for desktop to finish
[00:42] <micahg> did anyone test to see if accountsservice restored the user list on login?
[00:43] <charlie-tca> haven't even had time to finish syncing yet
[00:43] <micahg> was referring to upgrading a current system/logout
[00:49] <astraljava> I can try tomorrow at the office, while waiting for code to compile or whatever.
[00:51] <charlie-tca> desktop is up now
[00:52] <charlie-tca> sorry, will boot one up and find out
[00:53] <charlie-tca> upgrading now, micahg 
[00:54] <charlie-tca> I am a little slow some days
[01:04] <charlie-tca> micahg: it worked, gave me the user list and the session prefilled
[01:05] <charlie-tca> It's even the correct session preselected
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Now if only the background stayed one color
[01:34] <charlie-tca> starting the image tests now
[01:35] <charlie-tca> will run one test per image tonight, to make sure they work
[01:48] <Unit193> I'll run a few 32bit
[01:51] <charlie-tca> great.
[01:51] <charlie-tca> Mostly want to know if we have to fix things or not to get a good image
[02:03] <Unit193> Is bug 819609 really invalid?
[02:05] <micahg> charlie-tca: great news
[02:05] <micahg> Unit193: yes, it was fixed another way
[02:06] <Unit193> Sorry. I still had to login :/
[02:07] <micahg> Unit193: xubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:07] <micahg> ubuntu should be no, xubuntu, yes
[02:07] <Unit193> Xubuntu desktop 32bit
[02:07] <Unit193> Alright
[02:07] <micahg> that should be fixed after alpha3 I think
[02:08] <micahg> at least you should get a user to click on now
[02:08] <charlie-tca> It was against ubuntu, we may still not have a auto-boot to the live session, but that is bug 806408
[02:08] <Unit193> That was the bug on our tracker. I didn't get the user actually
[02:09] <micahg> Unit193: do you have the latest ISO?  we added that this afternoon
[02:09] <charlie-tca> This is still valid for us. We are on hold for another bug to get fixed
[02:10] <Unit193> micahg: I should as I just synced it. I'll check MD5 again
[02:11]  * charlie-tca booting a live cd now to verify
[02:11] <charlie-tca> image should be dated 2011-08-03 for desktop
[02:12] <charlie-tca> The live cd is the only time I get a splash screen in plymouth. 
[02:13] <charlie-tca> micahg: the user list doesn't show up in live session
[02:13] <charlie-tca> The only user listed is "other"
[02:13] <charlie-tca> We have to seed it to use ubuntu somehow
[02:14] <charlie-tca> but I don't think we can until we get the bug above fixed, which is on hold for Bug #799754
[02:15] <Unit193> I'm glad it isn't just me as the md5 checked from cdimage.../current/
[02:15] <Unit193> Oddly, I got the plymouth screen in VBox
[02:24] <charlie-tca> strange, that login bug is the only one I see now
[02:26] <charlie-tca> spoke too soon, still has two xubuntu sessions
[02:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: :(
[02:33] <charlie-tca> ubiquity is different than the installed systems. Things don't work the same
[02:33] <charlie-tca> I think something has to happen in casper to make it work
[02:34] <charlie-tca> micahg: I guess if it is broken on live session, but fixed after installing, that is still a gain
[02:35] <charlie-tca> We won't get things working in lightdm for live sessions until those bugs get fixed, which mr_pouit has spent a lot of time on.
[02:35] <charlie-tca> unfortunately, sometimes it seems like they are fighting us all the way
[02:36] <charlie-tca> um, this is bad
[02:36] <charlie-tca> I lost all video after restarting 
[02:37] <charlie-tca> I ran the 64bit encrypted install, and the restart has shut the monitor off
[02:38] <charlie-tca> rebooted, did it again
[02:38] <charlie-tca> oh-oh
[02:43] <micahg> charlie-tca: RAOF might still be around in #ubuntu-desktop
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I will assume it is hardware again. will run that test tomorrow now
[02:43] <charlie-tca> I give up tonight
[02:44] <charlie-tca> I have to unplug one drive in the computer to get the lvm encrypted install to work
[02:46] <charlie-tca> I can't do that. I am running the same install in VBox to verify
[02:47]  * micahg is heading to sleep
[02:51] <charlie-tca> Good night, micahg 
[03:11] <charlie-tca> Unit193: working for you?
[03:22] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I'm not doing encryption yet
[03:23] <Unit193> Hung for a little, but I went and took a shower so it's fixed :P
[03:27] <charlie-tca> I will finish these two I got running, and call it a night
[03:28] <charlie-tca> I am pretty sure it is the hardware making the encrypted test fail, it did that testing alpha2, too.
[03:28] <Unit193> Shouldn't the network bug go in the install and not the live?
[03:28] <charlie-tca> It's issues with both SATA and PATA hard drive in the same computer
[03:28] <Unit193> I'll run a VBox of that test tomorrow (or late tonight if you really want it)
[03:29] <charlie-tca> It could, but it doesn't really matter. It did come up while installing from the live desktop
[03:30] <charlie-tca> The only one I know will be against the install is bug 814060
[03:30] <charlie-tca> because I don't ever add users to the live session
[03:31] <charlie-tca> and that crashes as soon as you select users and groups
[03:40] <charlie-tca> I give up. I can't make anything work now
[03:40] <charlie-tca> good night
[03:41] <Unit193> Adios, I'll finish this and amybe another (one at a time)
[04:35] <Unit193> Hmmmmm.... Still configuring system...
[05:00] <Unit193> Still configuring, I'll call this a fail and try again tomorrow
[12:53] <charlie-tca> Our alpha3 images are failing. The desktop images are starting the install and getting stuck at "Configuring target system..." forever.
[12:54] <charlie-tca> There seems no way to make these work.
[12:54] <charlie-tca> micahg, mr_pouit ^ ^ ^
[12:54] <charlie-tca> both i386 and amd64 desktop images
[13:03] <micahg> charlie-tca: bug 820284?
[13:03] <charlie-tca> yup
[13:03]  * micahg disappears again
[13:04] <charlie-tca> blamed it on too tired last night, but Unit193 said the same thing, and it does it today again
[13:41] <madnick> Is there a work around?
[13:47] <charlie-tca> no
[13:47] <charlie-tca> They will have to respin the desktop images again
[13:47] <charlie-tca> but first, they have to fix them. This is a direct result of the fix yesterday to lightdm to force an auto-login for live sessions
[13:48] <madnick> oh
[13:49] <astraljava> Meh, probably respinning them too late, so I can't download at the office. :(
[13:50] <charlie-tca> haven't even started yet
[13:50] <charlie-tca> They are trying to figure out how to fix it
[13:50] <charlie-tca> alternate images are working, though
[13:52] <madnick> Ill get me one of those :) I was so dumb, I read the bug report and it said "DVD", so I went for a normal image and still got the problem, i need to read better
[14:27] <charlie-tca> hey, I found the lightdm.conf for Xubuntu. It is in /usr/share/xubuntu/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[14:27] <charlie-tca> in oneiric
[14:29] <madnick> In todays images? 
[14:29] <charlie-tca> in both live session and installations
[14:29] <charlie-tca> although, for alpha3, live session will be over-ridden by a default file to give the auto-login 
[14:30] <madnick> sweet, hope its the complete version, im installing now (53%)
[14:31] <micahg> charlie-tca: the xubuntu settings package is supposed to move replace the lightdm.conf in /etc with the one in /usr/share
[14:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: so, another casper upload just happened to overwrite any custom configuration, so we should get autologin
[14:33] <charlie-tca> micahg: it's all symlinked to /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[14:33] <micahg> right
[14:33] <charlie-tca> so, yes, it should overwrite what we have to make it work
[14:33] <micahg> but that's about to be blown away in casper
[14:33] <micahg> at least for alpha3
[14:33] <charlie-tca> but it will not over-write in installs, only on the live session
[14:33] <micahg> right
[14:34] <charlie-tca> which should be fine. What we have now is not working all that great
[14:34] <charlie-tca> We can't even have the same color background each time
[14:35] <charlie-tca> oh, by way, Good morning
[14:37] <micahg> good morning to you too :)
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu alpha3 alternate images fail encrypted LVM installs. Can not login after the installation
[16:12] <charlie-tca> bug 820460
[16:37] <charlie-tca> I will put this in the release notes. It is getting to late to keep trying to test these.
[16:37] <charlie-tca> We still don't have valid desktop images
[16:41] <charlie-tca> Encrypting /home also causes login to fail
[17:20] <astraljava> charlie-tca: So the respins are ready?
[17:27] <charlie-tca> only the alternate images are ready
[17:28] <charlie-tca> The desktop images will have to re-built again after they fix the bug blocking the install
[17:43] <charlie-tca> 18 hours and I finally got the amd64 alternate image tested. That must be a record.
[21:36] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: any workaround after we choose the wrong session?
[21:36] <charlie-tca> If the wrong Xubuntu session is chosen, we get a fragmented xfce session. 
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Next login, we can choose the other Xubuntu session, but it only changes the wallpaper
[21:37] <charlie-tca> we still don't get the right panels, menu, applets, etc.
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Deleting ~/.cache and deleting ~/.drmc doesn't work
[21:42] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we really have to tell people to reinstall because they picked the wrong Xubuntu session?
[21:47] <madnick> Also on the newest lat image, I picked "se" (using detect keyboard, that is swedish keyboard) but it uses US layout
[21:47] <madnick> alt* :)
[21:51] <charlie-tca> found it. We can release note it. If the icons don't appear, logout, rm -r ~/.config, login using the other Xubuntu session
[21:51] <charlie-tca> it will work
[21:52] <Unit193> I was about to say that fix (I've done something like that, picked Xfce Session)
[21:52] <Unit193> I was just never able to fix GDM or my mouse :/
[21:57] <charlie-tca> It's a long way around to login, if you haven't used it before, but it works
[21:58] <charlie-tca> madnick: we are a ways from having things work, but we are gaining
[22:00] <madnick> charlie-tca: just saying :) thing is that i could not figure out why i couldnt login, until i saw it used another keymap, but there is no way of changing at the login screen, so you have to dump to terminal and fix it
[22:00] <charlie-tca> crap
[22:33] <pleia2> hehe, oh my http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/08/linus-switches-to-xfce-calls-gnome-3.html
[22:36] <charlie-tca> Ain't it great!
[22:37] <madnick> hehe, g3 makes my desktop as useless as an android pad :)
[22:37] <pleia2> old news I guess :) but phew
[22:37] <madnick> i dont understand why they push those things
[22:37] <madnick> g3 = gnome3
[22:39] <charlie-tca> I don't know, but let's hope Xfce stays away from the "easy to use interface" thing
[22:40] <pleia2> me too
[22:41] <charlie-tca> I am beginning to really like linus
[22:41] <madnick> you didn't before? :D
[22:42] <charlie-tca> I have to say I do agree with his assessment of gnome3 and it applies to unity too.
[22:42] <pleia2> well, unity was created because they saw that gnome3 was turning out to be.... an unholy mess
[22:42] <pleia2> but yeah, I feel pretty much the same way about the both of them
[22:45]  * pleia2 supposes this is better for -offtopic
[22:45] <charlie-tca> yeah, I suppose it is. But isn't xfce likes and dislikes on topic here?
[22:59] <Unit193> If I want to use Windows, I'll use windows :P "I'm using Xfce. I think it's a step down from gnome2, but it's a huge step up from gnome3. Really" :/
[23:00] <pleia2> yeah, not exactly a glowing review but eh
[23:00] <charlie-tca> That's because Xfce is still very young compared to gnome and kde
[23:00] <Unit193> Better than what Gnome 3 got though :P
[23:00] <charlie-tca> It really is still maturing
[23:01] <Unit193> But it isn't bad as it is
[23:01] <charlie-tca> I sure dislike that "no restart button" in ubuntu now
[23:02] <Unit193> I haven't really tried Ubuntu and I even pointed someone I know in person to X/K/LUbuntu (Give him all the options!)
[23:06] <charlie-tca> If they are coming from windows, the easiest one to learn is Ubuntu. But they are all a big change to set up and install software for.,
[23:06] <charlie-tca> It is a real education to learn that you don't have to go find drivers and programs anymore. 
[23:09] <madnick> When I was at uni, and netbooks were new, they all shipped linux, and me and some classmates got netbooks
[23:10] <madnick> They said they were unsuable, until i got them to install ubuntu flavours, they never been happier :)
[23:12] <charlie-tca> Great! 
[23:12] <charlie-tca> it's all a gain for non-windows OS's