[01:12] <sagaci> testing a daily iso of xubuntu, what's the username/password to login?
[01:13] <Unit193> ubuntu and no pass. You should also select Xubuntu Session
[01:13] <sagaci> thanks Unit193
[01:14] <charlie-tca> Please choose the second Xubuntu session
[01:14] <charlie-tca> choosing the first session will also fail, and you have to restart to make it work
[01:17] <sagaci> first one worked for me
[01:17] <sagaci> (read your advice after I logged in)
[01:19] <charlie-tca> you got the xubuntu wallpaper, not xfce in the center then?
[01:20] <charlie-tca> nothing but fun today, huh?
[01:41] <Luig1> Hi, Hi there. I'm on Ubuntu 10.10 and I'm wondering if there's some way to install Xfce 4.8 through apt. (I currently have 4.6.2, the latest that seems to be in the repository)
[01:42] <charlie-tca> no, there is not. Why not upgrade to 11.04, which has Xfce 4.8?
[01:48] <Luig1> My hardware is... kinda broken
[01:48] <Luig1> Every time I try to update large numbers of packages, half othem fail for no apparent reason, and booting the system is hit or miss
[01:49] <Luig1> By which I mean I end up turning it on and off and on again about 20 times
[01:49] <Luig1> And one of those times it will finally reach the desktop
[01:49] <Luig1> But it consistently fails to update large numbers of packages. It reaches a certain point and then fails
[01:50] <charlie-tca> overheating?
[01:51] <Luig1> I'm really not certain, I think it's the motherboard. Fsck usually (but not always) detects major issues but when it tries to fix them the system freezes. Audio doesn't work under any circumstances.
[01:52] <charlie-tca> fsck is checking the hard drive, maybe the drive is going out
[01:52] <Luig1> I suppose that could be. What confuses me is that once I log in the system is stable
[01:53] <Luig1> Aside from the aforementioned problems with updates and audio
[01:54] <Luig1> None of my files seem to be corrupted or anything, either, even large files like movies or backups
[01:54] <Luig1> So I'm completely confused about the source of the problems, but in the end upgrading (even from a CD or DVD) seems to be out of the question
[04:10] <xubuntu660> greetz
[04:13] <z0rk_> My xubuntu installer is crashing
[05:46] <Wizard> good morning
[07:14] <jnsl_> hello, my network manager applet is not showing on my panel, i suspect the problem is cairo dock, which i have running. At one point i had the wireless applet added to the dock. When i try do "nm-applet" in terminal it says: An instance of nm-applet is already running. ** (nm-applet:2897): WARNING **: <WARN>  constructor(): Couldn't initialize the D-Bus manager.
[07:17] <Wizard> jnsl_, does cairo dock have tray (freedesktop notification area)
[07:17] <jnsl_> when i look at properties on my notification area on the panel it says known applications: Network Manager Applet, and further down the list i find nm-applet
 no, i have disabled that now
[07:18] <Wizard> ok, if one instance is already running, kill it
[07:18] <jnsl_> k  sec
[07:21] <Wizard> personally I hate network manager :S
[07:21] <Sysi> try notification are preferences, set max icon sixe to be smaller
[07:22] <Sysi> or bigger, try
[07:23] <jnsl_> done
[07:23] <jnsl_> and then try restart with nm-applet ? (nm-applet is the default network manager applet in xubuntu right ?)
[07:25] <Wizard> yup
[07:42] <jnsl_> Hey guys still cant get this to work, i tried scaling the icons etc
[07:42] <jnsl_> and killing the process
[07:43] <jnsl_> Im thinking that the problem is there is two network managers? nm-applet and Network Manager Applet, one of the probably was installed by cairo dock or ?
[07:47] <Wizard> hmm, could be
[07:47] <Wizard> but I don't know cairo dock
[07:47] <Wizard> actually anything which has dock in name ;P
[09:03] <jnsl_> can i open libreoffice with the GTKLookAndFeel ? :)
[09:18] <ochosi> jnsl_: what exactly do you mean? (do you have the libreoffice-gtk package installed?)
[09:20] <ochosi> can i map an arbitrary key-combination to send the signal of the Xf68AudioPlay signal? (meaning: pressing the "play" button on a multimedia-button-keyboard)
[09:31] <cYmen> What's the appropriate way to set the LC_ and LANGUAGE variables?
[09:37] <Wizard> by using "language settings"
[09:37] <TheSheep> or selecting language at the login screen
[09:40] <cYmen> hm...
[09:46] <cYmen> okay so I just set the formats to german style, but that didn't help make the measurements in libreoffice metric
[09:46] <cYmen> I'll try language
[09:46] <cYmen> oh..hm..seems I cannot change that
[09:56] <Wizard> cYmen, does libreoffice not respect language settings?
[09:56] <Wizard> :>
[09:58] <cYmen> Wizard: I don't know I can't change the language. :D
[09:58] <Wizard> :D
[09:59] <Wizard> hmm, try this: open terminal and do: export LANG=pl_PL.UTF-8
[09:59] <Wizard> I mean, yourlanguage_YOURCOUNTRY.UTF-8 :>
[09:59] <Wizard> or better, export LC_ALL=pl_PL.UTF-8
[09:59] <cYmen> Instead I'm currently trying the language setting in the libreoffice settings.
[09:59] <cYmen> But I just tried what you suggest and it didn't help.
[10:00] <cYmen> Gotta go to lunch, talk to you later.
[10:00] <Wizard> k
[10:22] <ochosi> cYmen: if it's just about libreoffice's measurement units in the rulers etc i think you have to change it in the libreoffice settings (same goes for page size a4 instead of letter)
[10:23] <ochosi> cYmen: go to tools > options > libreoffice writer > general and change the measurement unit there
[11:36] <Wizard> ochosi, like allways :/
[11:37] <Wizard> same problems - applications tend to ommit localisations, are glibc locales so hard to use? :/
[12:11] <cYmen> ah well...that's what I wanted anyway...
[15:33] <qwert666> do you know any good workspace switcher for xfce ? (my panels are hide and most of my app are on fullscreen)
[15:41] <charlie-tca> sure, xfce workspace switcher added to the panel works well
[15:45] <qwert666> added to the panel? my panel is set to autohide
[15:46] <Sysi> if you used openbox it would give you popup ehwn switching workspace
[15:46] <charlie-tca> You could create a small unhidden panel
[15:48] <n2diy> findsmb shows the wired connections to my router, is there a command to show the wireless connections?
[16:20] <Arpad2> hello
[16:20] <Arpad2> the motherboard has been changed, and now the front audio doesnt work
[16:27] <charlie-tca> Was it plugged back into the motherboard?
[16:28] <charlie-tca> I ask because I do have a system here that has front jacks, with no place on the motherboard to plug them in
[16:29] <charlie-tca> oops, missed the three minute mark
[16:32] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: Was it plugged back into the motherboard?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> I ask because I do have a system here that has front jacks, with no place on the motherboard to plug them in
[16:37] <Arpad2> charlie-tca: yes, I've just checked it
[16:38] <Arpad2> should new drivers to be installed?
[16:38] <charlie-tca> do the rear jacks work?
[16:39] <charlie-tca> normally, linux will see the changes and install the drivers
[16:39] <Arpad2> rear works
[16:40] <charlie-tca> check the mixer and make sure the front is not muted or turned off
[16:40] <charlie-tca> maybe install pavucontrol to turn the front on
[16:41] <Arpad2> ok.
[16:46] <user> Hi guys i'm running xubuntu 9.04 and i want to upgrade to 9.10 but it's deprecated any suggestions ?
[16:47] <user> ping
[16:49] <qballer> so ?
[16:50] <Sysi> you should do clean install of more recent release, 10.04 LTS will be supported over a year onvards
[16:51] <qballer> no way to go around that ?
[16:53] <charlie-tca> qballer: 9.10 is also obsolete now
[16:53] <charlie-tca> I would do a fresh install of a supported release
[16:53] <qballer> i want to get to 11.04 with out fresh installing.
[16:54] <qballer> is it possibile.
[16:54] <charlie-tca> no it is not possible
[16:54] <charlie-tca> You can not upgrade from 9.04, so it won'
[16:54] <qballer> Ok thanks charlie-tca
[16:54] <charlie-tca> won't be possible
[16:55] <qballer> i thought maybe and i can download it from some where else.
[16:55] <Sysi> (bad odds to get working system after many upgrades too)
[16:56] <qballer> Ok guys thanks. Back to programing now.
[16:56] <qballer> bye
[17:19] <Arpad2> does BIOS setting affect enabling front audio?
[17:31] <charlie-tca> It can, depends on the BIOS
[17:31] <charlie-tca> Some do require specifically turning on the front outputs
[17:32] <charlie-tca> some motherboards also have jumpers for that
[18:23] <WallyJ2K> I am trying to use the Live CD for 10.04 and it is still on the xubuntu logo screen. The DVD light is still on, but it's been 15 minutes. Thoughts?
[18:32] <likemindead> Working now, WallyJ2K?
[18:32] <WallyJ2K> Sorry. Got disconnected. Did anyone get a chance to look at my question?
[18:32] <WallyJ2K> Sorry... was connected via work computer. Now on home PC
[18:33] <likemindead> Did you run the examine disc for errors option?
[18:33] <likemindead> Or use the MD5 to verify?
[18:33] <WallyJ2K> Didn't see anyone's reply because my work LAN wasn't letting any traffic back in or something
[18:33] <WallyJ2K> what should I do? Sorry for asking you to repeat
[18:33] <WallyJ2K> I still see the logo
[18:34] <likemindead> Is it a super-old machine? Low on RAM? Shouldn't normally take that long.
[18:34] <WallyJ2K> yes
[18:34] <WallyJ2K> old HP laptop
[18:34] <WallyJ2K> 256MB of RAM
[18:34] <WallyJ2K> I can run the Check disc function just to be sage
[18:34] <WallyJ2K> *safe
[18:35] <likemindead> I would.
[18:35] <charlie-tca> hm, going to take around 22 minutes, I would think
[18:35] <likemindead> Also, the "alternate" install disc would be helpful to install.
[18:35] <WallyJ2K> does the "alternate" just change the way it installs?
[18:35] <gregplus> How to install RealPlayer on Xubuntu 11.04?
[18:37] <likemindead> There isn't a RealPlayer client for Linux, I don't think. (Thankfully.)
[18:37] <likemindead> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=RealPlayer+Linux
[18:38] <charlie-tca> WallyJ2K: alternate installer does not have the live session, so you can't see if it will work first
[18:39] <WallyJ2K_> I am dloading the alternate iso just in case
[18:39]  * charlie-tca was serious about the 22 minutes to boot the live session, too. He has a pII with 256MB ram that takes that long
[18:39] <WallyJ2K_> I am running the check disc
[18:39] <WallyJ2K_> Cool Charlie... That's good to know. Hopefully it is that simple
[18:39] <WallyJ2K_> I am going to try and let the disc check complete just to be sure, then try and run a live session
[18:41] <WallyJ2K_> Sometimes with old machines it is very difficult to know how long to wait on a process before troubleshooting
[18:50] <Luig1> Wow
[18:50] <Luig1> It saddens me that this channel is so empty
[18:50] <Luig1> I wish Xubuntu would gain popularity faster
[18:51] <Luig1> Xfce kinda deserves the attention now that Gnome is unrecognizable and Unity is... similar. I wonder though
[18:51] <Luig1> Why has LXDE generated so much buzz?
[18:51] <Luig1> I mean, I tried it out
[18:51] <Luig1> It was OK
[18:51] <Sysi> it's *really* light
[18:51] <Luig1> Well, yes
[18:52] <Sysi> unity and gnome3 are pretty good if you try using logic instead of thinking how has it been done in 90s
[18:53] <Luig1> I think Gnome 3 has some good ideas going, but it felt half finished
[18:53] <Luig1> I mean, like the panel and the "desktop" area
[18:53] <likemindead> Xfce 4 Life.
[18:53] <Sysi> my desktop is always empty, but I really wouöd change some parts in gnome3
[18:55] <Luig1> I hope they'll let you change more of the interface moving forward. But in any case, that's why I'm surprised that Xubuntu has grown more quickly. It almost feels like the successor of Gnome 2, in look and feel. I'm not saying it's the same, not at all
[18:55] <Luig1> But it has a lot more in common than, say, Unity
[18:55] <Luig1> has not* grown more quickly
[18:55] <Arpad2> charlie-tca: front audio works now :), in BIOS instead of auto only enabled was good for front panel audio
[18:56] <charlie-tca> Great! Glad you found that.
[18:58] <WallyJ2K_> It is interesting that the Disc check is still showing the xubuntu logo
[18:58] <WallyJ2K_> ubuntu 11 didn't take this long to load and do a disc check, so I doubt it is my PC at this point
[18:58] <charlie-tca> probably bad burn or bad download
[18:59] <charlie-tca> I normally give things 30 minutes on the old pc, if it isn't doing what it should, I question it.
[19:02] <WallyJ2K_> When I hit the Esc key, it says stdin: I/O error, so it looks like it can't read the DVD
[19:03] <WallyJ2K_> I think I'll switch and burn the alternative iso to a DVD
[19:04] <WallyJ2K_> Does the alternative iso still install the same version, just with a simpler installer?
[19:04] <WallyJ2K_> or is it a different version
[19:06] <charlie-tca> same installed results. Just different method of installing
[19:06] <WallyJ2K_> cool
[19:06] <WallyJ2K_> burning alternate now
[19:06] <charlie-tca> Uses less memory for the installer
[19:07] <Arpad2> how to blanc cd-rw live cd with xfburn. ?
[19:09] <charlie-tca> with great difficulty
[19:09] <charlie-tca> I gave up -rw's as too hard to use
[19:11] <Arpad2> its pity, I would like to make a live cd with a newer version without vasting a disk
[19:12] <knome> in xfburn, there is a button "blank cd-rw" ??
[19:12] <Arpad2> correct
[19:12] <Arpad2> no
[19:12] <Arpad2> only Blanc Disk
[19:12] <knome> right, my button says "blank cd-rw"
[19:13] <Arpad2> newer version?
[19:13] <knome> whatever is in natty by default
[19:14] <Arpad2> indeed, my vision is very narrow
[19:14] <Arpad2> thx
[19:15] <WallyJ2K_> Disc check is running wonderfully on the alternate CD
[19:15] <WallyJ2K_> started almost immediately
[19:19] <WallyJ2K_> Disc check successful.. Now installing via alternate CD
[19:19] <charlie-tca> yup, then the other one was probably a bad burn
[19:19] <WallyJ2K_> yep. Very different experience so far
[19:21] <WallyJ2K_> What is an LVM?
[19:21] <WallyJ2K_> I'm on the partitioning portion of the install
[19:21] <charlie-tca> logical volume manager
[19:22] <WallyJ2K_> Do I need one?
[19:22] <WallyJ2K_> or "it"
[19:22] <charlie-tca> a way to make all the disks act like one big hard drive, and add to it easy
[19:22] <charlie-tca> I don't use it
[19:22] <WallyJ2K_> I only have one HD
[19:22] <charlie-tca> Then probably not
[19:22] <WallyJ2K_> so I think I'll go with "use entire disk"
[19:43] <Arpad2> can I upgrade 32 bit distro version with 64 bit?
[19:43] <WallyJ2K_> up to 25% on the "Select and install software" stage... going well so far...
[19:44] <knome> Arpad2, you can't upgrade from 32-bit to 64-bit, but 32-bit will work on 64-bit.
[19:47] <Arpad2> so ifI would like to install a 64 bit version, I would have erase the 32 bit and istall the new one
[19:47] <knome> yes
[19:49] <Arpad2> and what are the differencies between the two from the user percpective?
[21:32] <WallyJ2K> So... the installation seemed to work fine, but when it rebooted, it showed the xubuntu logo, then the screen went black. I turned off the PC and turned it back on... same thing
[21:33] <WallyJ2K> It did throw an error on my screen about my wireless adapter, but I expected that because it's broadcom
[21:33] <charlie-tca> does it have a spinning cursor? Does the monitor stay on?
[21:33] <WallyJ2K> monitor seems to be on. no cursor
[21:34] <charlie-tca> Can you switch to tty's using ctrl+Alt+F2, f3, f4, f5, f6 ?
[21:35] <charlie-tca> alt+f7 puts you back on the original screen
[21:35] <WallyJ2K> I tried all of those combinations. Screen didn't change
[21:36] <WallyJ2K> I read once on ubuntu forums about a laptop install that immediately went into suspend mode because it read the laptop lid as being closed.
[21:36] <WallyJ2K> Could that be happening?
[21:39] <WallyJ2K> the power light is slowly blinking which makes me think that might be the case
[21:39] <WallyJ2K> oh... and the battery is bad on the laptop
[21:40] <WallyJ2K> it doesn't hold a charge
[21:40] <WallyJ2K> so it may be reading the low battery and forcing suspend or hibernate
[21:41] <charlie-tca> could be
[21:41] <WallyJ2K> wonder what it will do if I boot with no battery in the laptop
[21:42] <charlie-tca> some work, some won't do anything without the battery
[21:43] <WallyJ2K> I'm about to find out
[21:44] <WallyJ2K> logo flickered... still black screen
[21:44] <WallyJ2K> fan spins high for a minute or two, then slows a bunch
[21:44] <WallyJ2K> not sure what it is doing
[21:50] <WallyJ2K> I can't even get to a terminal window to try anything
[21:50] <WallyJ2K> or look at my xorg.conf
[21:50] <WallyJ2K> or log
[21:52] <WallyJ2K> can I hit a key when I see the logo or something?
[21:54] <WallyJ2K> it got all the way through the installation
[21:54] <WallyJ2K> how do you try rescue mode?
[21:57] <WallyJ2K> ok... held down shift to get into recovery mode
[21:57] <WallyJ2K> still gives me the b43 wireless error
[21:57] <WallyJ2K> but gets to the recovery menyu
[21:57] <WallyJ2K> Suggestions?
[21:58] <WallyJ2K> I am going to try failsafe grpahics mode
[21:58] <WallyJ2K> ok... it actually shows a dialog box
[21:58] <WallyJ2K> nice
[22:01] <WallyJ2K> ok... loaded low graphics mode for a session just to see if it would work
[22:01] <WallyJ2K> brought up the login
[22:01] <WallyJ2K> logged in properly
[22:02] <charlie-tca> That's a gain
[22:09] <WallyJ2K> very true
[22:09] <WallyJ2K> now I can try to install my video driver manually
[22:09] <WallyJ2K> however you do that...
[22:09] <WallyJ2K> tips?
[22:10] <WallyJ2K> Update manager says there are 119 updates.... lol
[22:11] <WallyJ2K> Should I try to update the video driver through Update Manager or by using the terminal/
[22:11] <WallyJ2K> ?
[22:11] <madnick> There is a thing called "Additional drivers"
[22:11] <madnick> In "System", where you can check for drivers
[22:12] <WallyJ2K> I see System under Applications, but don't see Additional Drivers
[22:13] <WallyJ2K> do you mean "Hardware Drivers"?
[22:13] <charlie-tca> hardware drivers?
[22:13] <madnick> Yes
[22:13] <charlie-tca> same thing
[22:13] <WallyJ2K> gotcha
[22:13] <WallyJ2K> just being careful
[22:13] <charlie-tca> sorry, stuffing my face
[22:13] <WallyJ2K> I'm finally seeing something. :)
[22:13] <WallyJ2K> Thanks for helping me while stuffing. ;)
[22:14] <charlie-tca> Gonna let madnick do it
[22:14] <charlie-tca> got to go run a test
[22:14] <madnick> okay
[22:14] <WallyJ2K> thank you both
[22:15] <WallyJ2K> The Hardware Drivers window is up, but it only shows my wireless card, not my video card
[22:15] <madnick> okay
[22:15] <madnick> Do you know what video drivers you have?
[22:15] <madnick> err..
[22:15] <madnick> video card
[22:16] <WallyJ2K> I translated. :)  My laptop has an Intel Xtreme video card
[22:16] <madnick> Oh its an on chip carD?
[22:17] <madnick> i945?
[22:17] <WallyJ2K> hmm
[22:18] <WallyJ2K> 1 sec. I can tell  ya
[22:18] <madnick> Would be great :)
[22:18] <WallyJ2K>  Display controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device
[22:20] <madnick> that sorta seems as if it has the drivers supported
[22:20] <madnick> WallyJ2K: what Xubuntu version are you using?
[22:21] <WallyJ2K> 10.0.4
[22:21] <WallyJ2K> 10.04
[22:21] <WallyJ2K> not sure what is hanging up a regular boot up
[22:21] <madnick> could you run cat /etc/X11/xorg.con
[22:22] <WallyJ2K> just know that it has only worked in Recovery low resolution so far
[22:22] <madnick> could you run cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Device