[04:09] shadeslayer: You just got a Mac, right? [04:10] Can you at least to the live tests for http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6219 [04:51] garg [04:53] That bad? [05:01] Okay, that was strange... [05:05] ran the headers upgrade and my system freaked out for a TON of read-only errors. [05:06] Doesn't sound good. [05:06] Sounds like time for a full backup of any important data the does NOT overwrite any existing backups. [05:10] Yeah, I'm backing up now. [05:10] I need to redo my partitions anyway so i can setup a dev environment. [05:10] I've never actually done that before so, my norm in partitions isn't going to work. :D [05:13] I don't want to use virtbox anymore for dev environments. [05:24] apachelogger: pingie [05:25] Wait, what am I thinking? It's about 5a there... [05:25] apachelogger: sorry mate, sleep. [05:40] He's probably still up, just too drunk to talk. [05:40] or type === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [06:51] ScottK: ISOs still need testing? [07:32] agateau, good morning [07:33] xdatap1: morning! [07:35] agateau, I would like a suggestion from you about the Qt python wrapper. If an application developper would ask you which one between PyQT or Pyside for a new application, what would you recommend? [07:36] xdatap1: I have never used Pyside yet, I think PyQt is more widely used [07:36] xdatap1: but from what I heard they should be mostly compatible [07:37] xdatap1: don't take my word on it though [07:38] agateau, yes they are quite similar with the syntax. The thing is that I'm writing a Quickly template for qtquick application and I haven't a clear idea about which one is the best [07:38] agateau, anyway, thank you for your time :) [07:39] xdatap1: nice to hear about Quickly getting support for Qt! [07:43] agateau, I just started working on it. :) [07:44] xdatap1: it's Quickly, you should be done quick :) [07:44] agateau, that's true, LOL [07:49] morning [07:50] ScottK: for iso testing, it's still using http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ ? [08:09] About the next kubuntu council meeting, I propose today 15:00 UTC [08:10] (see doodle, everyone is available) [08:18] rhaaaaa virtualbox is broken... o_O [08:33] bambee: how so? [08:34] debfx: see #ubuntu-devel, I pasted the log [08:46] morning [08:47] bambee: I got "Invalid module format" from nvidia once, reinstall fixed it [08:47] don't ask me how that happened though... [09:01] ScottK: Thanks for the bug report. I'll try to have a look over th weekend. [09:26] yofel: fixed [09:26] debfx: my hero :D [09:26] right, the module build was broken [09:27] probably... who knows.. [09:29] it was probably a bug in dkms (fixed in 2.2.0.2-1) [09:43] mhhh ubiquity crashes [09:44] manual partitionning, I create two partitions : / with btrfs and a swap partition , then I click on apply and then => ubiquity is stopped and a kde session is started o_O [09:44] o.O [09:44] cripes! [09:45] I file a bug [09:45] didn't happen here when I did manual partitioning on the i386 desktop disk [09:45] mhhh I get a black screen [09:45] interesting [09:45] yofel: it's an amd64 desktop disk on virtualbox here [09:46] fun [09:46] I will check the disk (just in case...) [09:47] no errors found o_O [09:47] kubuntu desktop amd64 is dead [09:47] "FATAL: error inserting ramzswap" [09:48] (on tty1) [09:48] with exactly the same error than vboxdrv [09:48] "ramzswap.ko: invalid module format" [09:49] other modules are probably broken in this images... [09:49] I will try to get a backtrace/log [09:49] (assuming it's a crash... I don't know...) [09:51] I cannot access to tty1 o_O [09:51] everything is "black" [10:08] bug 820842 [10:08] Launchpad bug 820842 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Manual partitionning: ubiquity stops when I apply my new partitions tables and a kde session is started" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820842 [10:10] the last kubuntu desktop amd64 image seems totally borked [10:11] ScottK: ping [10:18] ScottK: actually I went to bed at 3:30 :P [10:45] yofel: did you try wih VBOX? [10:50] switching from 512MB to 1024MB solves the problem BUT it worked just fine with this topology with natty images... [10:51] and 150MB of my swap partition are used.... o_O [10:57] bambee: goto #ubuntu-installer tell cjwatson and ev about the setup you are using so they can replicate it and hopefully they can fix it, sounds like an issue in ubiquity-kde to me but they'll soon tell you [10:57] davmor2: ok [11:34] ScottK: yes, i'll try them out at DS [11:34] i might have to buy a CD tho, the live usb by itself might not boot [11:37] yofel: don't forget the dongle! :P [11:40] agateau, didrocks: either of you worked out how to get from Tegel to the hotel in Berlin? [11:41] Riddell: just take the TXL bus line [11:41] Riddell: it's the last stop, at AlexanerPlatz [11:41] that's what we took with agateau for the Qt contributor summit and the hotel we are in is just next to hit [11:41] it* [11:41] Riddell: when are you arriving btw? [11:45] didrocks: 11:20 hrs [11:46] Riddell: ok, I'm arriving later, at 16:30, are you going to the pre-registration then? [11:46] yes I guess so [11:53] ScottK: I propose the next kubuntu Council Meeting today at 3:00 p.m UTC, Riddell would be present [12:05] works for me [12:09] bambee: I tried with vbox, but 1G of RAM. At least the Ubuntu disk worked, need to try the kubuntu one [12:09] yofel: 512Mb should be sufficient, imho. It worked just fine for the previous release [12:10] also with 1024Mb , 150Mb of my swap are used o_O [12:22] shadeslayer: you going to be at the pre-registration even? [12:22] *event [12:24] * rbelem just discovered `fakeroot debian/rules list-missing` :-O [12:40] bambee: don't forget to mark your test case failed if it failed [12:41] yofel: done [12:41] already done, I mean [12:42] bambee: still shows as running here http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/6218/55 [12:42] yofel: good catch [13:15] bambee: OK. I may (it turns out) have to be on IRC via my phone, but it's OK. I'll vot by email after if it doesn't work out. [13:16] yofel: yes, i'll have to find my way around tho [13:16] k, I'll try to be there around 5PM, probably won't arrive in berlin before 3 and need to find the place I'm staying at first [13:20] btw. are we going to package digikam? If yes it would need libkface and libkmap which would need to get in before FF [13:21] *libkgeomap [13:23] * shadeslayer has to fix his glibc first === bambee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Alpha 3 candidate testing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html | Congratulations yofel | Next Kubuntu Council Meeting : Today at 3:00 p.m UTC [13:30] i hope the hostel net isn't complete crap [13:32] well, we'll get access to the uni wifi from what I read. In my hostel I'll have to use mobile :/ [13:35] bambee: Would you please talk to claydoh_ about getting the minumum install ram into the release notes. [13:35] ok, bbl [13:36] ScottK: are you serious? are you saying that a minimum of 1024Mb is necessary to install oneiric? it worked like a charm with 512Mb on natty... [13:36] ScottK: but sure, I can [13:36] np [13:40] seems to work with 768Mb [13:42] 120 MB just for ubiquity ? o_O [13:42] it's python [13:45] well, it works with 768Mb [13:51] claydoh_: could you change the release notes ? the minimum ram to install kubuntu (via ubiquity) is 768MB [13:51] change, or note it to add it later [14:00] Riddell, apachelogger : it's okay for a meeting today at 3:00 p.m UTC ? [14:00] arrff David is offline :\ [14:01] bambee: depends on how long the meeting is [14:02] it's just to review my membership application... I don't think it will be long... [14:05] What I like best about the frontend MO is how it does have an implicit default ctor [14:05] whooop whooop [14:05] oh, wrong channel :D [14:23] bambee: yes [14:23] great [14:27] bambee at this point I'd call it a bug that we need to document. [14:29] ScottK: right [15:02] ScottK, Riddell, apachelogger, yofel: meeting [15:02] cor, a meeting [15:03] * yofel isn't on the council, but here anyway :) [15:03] ScottK, apachelogger: here? [15:03] ScottK, apachelogger: around? [15:04] hmm, guess not [15:05] o.O [15:06] Riddell: who packages Qt? [15:06] ScottK said " bambee: OK. I may (it turns out) have to be on IRC via my phone, but it's OK. I'll vot by email after if it doesn't work out." [15:06] Riddell: if no single person, who could I speak to? :) [15:07] danimo: it's a joint effort (and not by me currently), you can ping the likes of ScottK or didrocks who did the last upload or e-mail kubuntu-devel list [15:07] bambee: go to #phonon and drag him over... [15:07] yofel: already done [15:08] Sorry, got distracated with debugging. [15:08] Hello everyone [15:09] :) [15:09] I have a pre-vote from ScottK, so we have quorum. [15:09] cor [15:09] bambee: got a wiki page? [15:09] Riddell: yes [15:10] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RomainPerier [15:10] ScottK: ping? [15:10] bambee: tell us about you, your work in kubuntu and why you are awesome [15:10] MASTER! [15:11] My name is Romain Perier, I am a french engineer, I discovered kubuntu when the maverick meerkat has been released, and I am a contributor since... february 2011 [15:11] (when natty alpha3 is out!) [15:12] basically what are my contributions ? I have rewritten language-selector for KDE, now it's fully integrated in systemsettings and no longer runs as root [15:12] bambee: how do you think Kubuntu is doing in my absense? [15:13] wohooo \o/ [15:13] I have did packaging [15:15] bambee: what first attracted you to the supremely awesome distro Kubuntu? [15:15] Riddell: since you're working with the bazaar team, the community is really active, it was already very active before of course. I think it's a good think, because a project like kubuntu needs a good and a strong community [15:15] s/think/thing/ [15:15] bambee meant: "Riddell: since you're working with the bazaar team, the community is really active, it was already very active before of course. I thing it's a good think, because a project like kubuntu needs a good and a strong community" [15:15] bambee: What in your opinion makes Kubuntu different from other KDE software based distributions? [15:15] Riddell: my motivations ? kubuntu has an excellent kde integration [15:16] typically firefox [15:16] all patch or fixes applied and usually applied on upstream and it's definitively an important thing ! [15:16] (it's not the case for all distros) [15:16] the community is just awesome [15:18] bambee: are you a secret agent of the empire of phonon preparing a hostile takeover to make us phononOS? [15:18] the nice thing with kubuntu is how it's easy for a beginner to do what he wants to do, everything is accessible, everything is easy to do, we've great graphical tools (muon is a great example) [15:19] apachelogger: lool [15:19] bambee: how are we looking for alpha 3? [15:19] apachelogger: no I am not, I am just a active contributor for now... but who knows.... [15:20] s/a active/an active/ [15:20] bambee meant: "apachelogger: no I am not, I am just an active contributor for now... but who knows...." [15:21] Riddell: I don't understand your question [15:22] * bambee blames his frenchy english (again) [15:23] bambee: comment ca va alpha trois? [15:25] ohh, kde 4.7 has been released and will be available for the alpha3, a lot of things has been done (many packages has been splitted), except stranges bugs with iso testing this morning everything is good [15:26] formidable [15:26] :D [15:26] bambee: when will we reach world domination? [15:26] Riddell: you can reswitch to english now :P [15:26] bambee est +1 pour moi [15:27] :D [15:27] apachelogger: really soon, I hope [15:27] perfect [15:27] apachelogger: we've to kill micro****ft before, and kill apple :P [15:28] +1 from me [15:28] now we need drum roll for ScottK's vote or something [15:28] no sound effects on IRC [15:28] too bad [15:28] ba da da da da da da da.. [15:28] If I don't make the meeting, please vote my +1 for bambee. [15:28] :D [15:28] bambee: welcome to the kubuntu pre-alcoholics :) [15:28] chaca ching [15:28] MOHAHAHA!!! [15:28] hehe thanks !! [15:29] * bambee orders rum , vodka and beer for everyone (with girls too :P) [15:29] Any other business? [15:29] who's going to Berlin? [15:29] bambee: congrats :) [15:29] memememe [15:30] me too :) [15:30] yofel: thanks :) [15:30] bambee: I've added you to ~kubuntu-members, you can add a blog to planet ubuntu and bambi@kubuntu .org should start working in the next few days [15:30] * yofel finally won't have to merge bambee's branches anymore... [15:30] Riddell: thanks you!! [15:30] :) [15:30] from now on you need to merge if someone proposes something :P [15:30] Oh on a DS related topic, I'll be joining an upstream/downstream talk monday afternoon (1600 CEST or so) talking about the awesomness of Kubuntu's love for KDE and all that. [15:31] yofel: sure :) [15:31] Riddell: you are coming to Berlin? [15:31] I am indeed, first thing tomorrow morning [15:32] yay [15:32] awesome, I'll be there just in time for the beach party ^^ [15:33] apachelogger: pack your bikini then [15:33] apachelogger: you won't be there before sunday? [15:33] lol [15:33] Riddell: already done ^^ [15:34] Oh, another DS related topic, eean is going to join the lightning talks sunday afternoon (1400 CEST or so) presenting something rather interesting for Kubuntu [15:34] what should one do in Berlin on a Friday afternoon? [15:34] in fact the reason he has something to announce is because we were talking abou this at a kubuntu meeting about a year ago ;) [15:34] apachelogger: a surprise something? [15:35] yup, a very sweet one :D [15:35] how exciting [15:36] Riddell: reagarding friday afternoon ... I'd suggest to find markey, he will come up with something fun to do for sure ;) [15:39] bambee: Grats [15:39] Riddell: How's work in Bazaar team? [15:39] apachelogger: how many phenominals people are coming to DS ? [15:39] bazaar <3 [15:39] Quintasan: hehe, thanks :D [15:40] kubuntu member... I did it... moahahaha :P [15:40] :D [15:40] bambee: eean, coling, myself I guess [15:40] kubotu: order cookies for bambee [15:40] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to bambee. [15:40] :D [15:41] bambee: Expect to be swamped with work :) [15:42] apachelogger: Will lighning talks be streamed? [15:43] apachelogger: what's the plan? talk about the next release ? and how phonon will rock with qml ? :D [15:43] and how ka**eine sucks without phonon :P [15:46] Quintasan: I am the new minion... :P [15:48] Quintasan: I think so, at least they will be recorded [15:51] Quintasan: challenging but rewarding [16:04] apachelogger: I'll be looking forward to the surprise then [16:05] Riddell: Good to hear that :) [16:05] * Quintasan goes drinking for the weekend [16:22] * bambee goes drinking for the evening [16:23] * yofel goes packing [16:26] yofel: ping me this evening, I will help you ;) [16:26] (in 2 or 3 hours) [16:27] sheytan: Were you playing TF2 today? === Quintasan changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Alpha 3 candidate testing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html | Congratulations yofel and bambee [16:44] apachelogger, is there anyone working on testing the Kubuntu Mobile images, or are they not planned to be released with A3? [16:54] rbelem, ^^ [16:56] skaet, it will be ready for B1 [16:56] rbelem, thanks, will update the release image list accordingly. [16:56] skaet, :-0 [16:56] ops [16:56] skaet, :-) [16:57] :) [17:23] sheytan: pingping [17:30] danimo: what's wrong with our Qt package? :) [17:32] apachelogger: pong [17:32] bambee_: congrats :D [17:32] sheytan: do you already have an idea for the subtitle/audiotrack/aspectratio settings? [17:33] got recently played implemented and merged with subtitle and audiotrack enabled phonon gstreamer, so I can do that too now [17:33] well, how about auto-discover subtitles? [17:34] * apachelogger points out that some of his systems have german locale yet he likes to watch anime with english subs === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [17:35] apachelogger: your system is utf8 so no problem with encoding. If you have english subtitles in txt files it displays english, if german, then german [17:36] * apachelogger points out that various container formats can have subtitles embedded [17:36] multiple of those [17:36] also there are DVDs [17:36] sheytan: also subtitles are rarely in UTF8 [17:37] only MKV enforces that I believe [17:37] other than that they can be *any* encoding [17:38] apachelogger you need a ssettings dialog anyway. Put all of them there [17:40] hence I am asking what the dialog should look like [17:55] apachelogger: i can't tell ya till i have all the stuff list you want to put there [17:55] everything that is in dragonplayer [17:56] apachelogger: do the UI and i will show you the right way then :) [17:56] sheytan: #phonon [17:59] since upgrading to 4.7, icons frequently remain in the task manager after the corresponding windows are closed. this is on 2 different machines, one with an intel GPU w/FOSS drivers, the other with an nvidia ion2 GPU and prop. drivers. is this a known issue? is there a workaround? [17:59] also, this is in kubuntu 11.04 [18:24] does the daily-live cd have kde 4.7 stable? [18:26] the oneiric one? yes [18:27] thanks, looking through the stats page [18:30] danimo: Pong [18:30] Can someone add a Muon screenie and description to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Alpha3/Kubuntu [18:32] apachelogger: the KDE 4.7 packages for 11.04 are outstanding. upgrade was very smooth :) [18:32] upgraded half of our office, and my home box [18:32] ok bbl, gym [18:39] since upgrading to kde 4.7 in kubuntu 11.04, icons frequently remain in the task manager after the corresponding windows are closed. this is on 2 different machines, one with an intel GPU w/FOSS drivers, the other with an nvidia ion2 GPU and prop. drivers. is this a known issue? is there a workaround? [18:42] jmichaelx: doesn't happen here, or do you have 'Show a Launcher for XXXXX when it is not running." On? (That's broken for me though) [18:50] yofel: where would that setting be? [18:51] yofel: also, i am aware that many are not experiencing this problem, but i have encountered others in #kubuntu who have [18:51] it's a per-app setting in the right click menu of the app in the task manager [18:51] I would file a bug upstream [18:51] yofel: ahh, no that is not selected [18:52] yofel: i would like to find out about this by asking around a little before going through the mess of filing a bug report. [18:53] yofel: however, i will try to file a bug report soon, once i can somewhat establish that it is indeed a bug from upstream [18:56] I added some text about Muon, so someone adding a screenie would really be appreciated. [18:56] ryanakca: Do we have an Alpha 3 release announcement prepped for the web site? [18:56] ScottK: Not to my knowledge, but I can write one up now if you'd like [18:57] ryanakca: That would be very handy as I think we're close to release. [18:57] ScottK: hey [18:57] Hello danimo. [18:58] (I have the joys of trying use launchpadlib, I might as well do something productive while I wait for it to finish fetching) [19:01] danimo: You pinged me earlier. What's up? [19:01] this is probably not at all relevant, but both of the machines on which i am experiencing this problem use dual-core atom d525 CPUs [19:02] Shouldn't be. [19:05] ScottK: were you responding to me? [19:05] jmichaelx: I was [19:06] ScottK: ok. yea, i figured the CPU likely had no bearing on anything, it was just one thing the two machines have in common [19:06] I'm guessing the "Get Kubuntu/Free CD Shipment" link on http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu can go? [19:09] Yes. === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Alpha 3 released: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/oneiric/alpha-3/ | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html | Congratulations yofel and bambee [19:12] ScottK: any idea why the source files for the Qt examples and demos are in a seperate package than the binary examples? [19:13] No. [19:13] I don't think we make any changes from Debian on that. [19:13] fabo would be the best person to ask. [19:14] micahg: Muon fix uploaded. [19:14] ScottK: thanks [19:24] * ScottK wonders who kubuntu_news is and when they will get busy with their tweeting/denting. [19:26] * ryanakca kicks login.ubuntu.com for taking forever to load and keeping him from logging into the wiki. [19:32] Announcement is up on kubuntu.org thanks to ryanakca. [19:33] Could someone change the topic in #kubuntu (if it's not done already) [19:33] * ScottK goes to get the dog from the vet. [19:34] Tm_T: I'm having the powerpc images saved for a couple of days so we can still release them if you can test. [19:34] shadeslayer: I'm having the amd64+mac images saved for a couple of days so we can still release them if you can test. === sheytan_ is now known as sheytan [20:07] Does anyone know where the Kickoff part of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-netbook-default-settings/+bug/820491 needs to be fixed? [20:07] Ubuntu bug 820491 in kubuntu-netbook-default-settings (Ubuntu) "KMail missing from search and launch" [Undecided,Fix released] [20:12] After a break to package KDE SC 4.7.0, the second alpha release of Kubuntu Oneiric has been released. Should have been third? [20:13] wait.. sorry 2nd was not released [20:13] my bad [20:14] but title said A3? [20:15] sorry..just bored :) [20:18] BAH! [20:18] This is what happens when I don't wake up at 5am to look at my emails. [20:23] muntiKubu: It's Alpha 3 for Oneiric, but the second one for Kubuntu as we skipped Alpha 2. Not sure how best to word that. [20:23] ScottK: How did the meeting go? [20:24] DarkwingDuck: bambee_ is in. [20:24] Okay good. [20:24] bambee_: Congratulations, BTW. [20:24] Sorry I missed it. [20:24] bambee_: Congrats! [20:24] It worked out. [20:24] It's not like his was a really hard one to decide. [20:24] Had something pop up (Kids were sick all night) [20:24] :D [20:24] "Fun" [20:24] Nope, not at all. [20:25] I need to get ready for the doc scramble at the end of the month. [20:25] ScottK: you going to be at UDS in Oct? [20:25] Unlikely. [20:26] BUmmer [20:26] Currently I'm not planning on it. It'd be missing Halloween two years in a row. [20:26] :/ [20:26] I'm trying to get there... depends on how my sponsership request goes. [20:26] Or, if I end up getting this job. [20:30] ScottK: you will be missed then :), maybe come for half the week? [20:31] Maybe. Work is also pretty busy. [20:31] apachelogger: could you add a license header to the kubuntu-dev-tools scripts you've written [20:34] debfx: Can you upload korundum from Ninjas? [20:37] can do [20:43] Great. [20:48] debfx: or you could :P [20:48] * apachelogger considers them not licenseworthy material [20:49] ScottK, DarkwingDuck: thanks !!! :D [20:49] * bambee_ is back === bambee_ is now known as bambee [20:50] debfx: thanks!! :D [20:52] apachelogger: I can't [20:53] and they need to have copyright + license information [20:57] debfx: got a header for all-permissive stuff at hand? [20:57] apachelogger: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php [21:00] yet another long license [21:00] when there is more words in the license than in the code then clearly something is wrong with the license [21:01] or the ISC license [21:01] ScottK: uploaded [21:01] Thanks. [21:01] apachelogger: Use wtfpl then. [21:07] apachelogger: Long time no talk mate? [21:09] alpha3 announced... great! :D [21:09] how does it work to post news btw ? I mean, kubuntu members can do that, right? [21:10] (don't worry, I won't post something, I am just curious) [21:10] :) [21:12] bambee: not quite, you need the account data for the admin account on kubuntu.org === yofel_ is now known as yofel [21:12] bambee: For news postings on kubuntu.org only a few people have the password. [21:13] bambee: Now that you're a member though you can add your blog to planet.ubuntu.com. [21:13] I understand, np :) === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [21:13] as I said, I am just curious ;) [21:14] ScottK: I am reading the wiki page for that (planet) :) [21:15] make sure you don't use a https:// address to your freed, the planet can't handle that [21:15] s/freed/feed [21:15] DarkwingDuck: all your fault :P [21:16] debfx: It misses a license unfortunately. [21:16] debfx: Can you add the license in tools/rbkconfig_compiler/kcfg.xsd to debian/copyright and upload again? [21:19] ok [21:27] yofel: noted [21:42] * ScottK hugs yofel for ISO testing. [21:43] * bambee hugs yofel without a specific reason [21:44] * yofel hugs bambee for fighting OOM-kills on the isos :P [21:44] :P [21:44] * ScottK adds bambee to the hug. [21:44] ^^ [21:45] Is there ubiquity on the alternates cd? [21:45] well then, I'm off to bed. I'll poke around once I've done the registration at DS. See you there. [21:45] (I have never tried...) [21:45] bambee: no, they use debian-installer [21:46] so it would be possible to install kubuntu with 512Mb using these alternate cds... [21:46] right (probably less) [21:46] I've an old PC at home, I will try one day [21:47] mv $me /dev/bed [21:47] good night ;) [21:48] * Daskreech hugs emma ... cause [21:48]