[00:18] <Secris> So is there any way to make Kubuntu faster
[00:19]  * szal doesn't think that 4 hours later there is more to say about that
[00:21] <Secris> I didn't catch what was said my net went
[00:21] <Secris> Crazy
[00:36] <Secris> Guess not
[02:24] <U236Willy> Thanks for all your help last week guys! I was able to get my iPod to work in Amarok and blacklist the module that was lagging my wireless usb dongle
[02:24] <Daskreech> U236Willy: Whoot!
[02:26] <U236Willy> So my next question is: Can I mark Rekonq for reinstallation.
[02:26] <Daskreech> Yes
[02:26] <U236Willy> How
[02:26] <Daskreech> Next question :)
[02:26] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get install rekonq --reinstall
[02:26] <U236Willy> perfect
[02:28] <U236Willy> I think when i first installed kubuntu... there was a notification about updating Rekonq but then this window that I should've paid more attention to was in mid-something-or-other and the machine needed a reboot and well.. rekonq now borks on simple webpages.
[02:28] <U236Willy> So THANKS AGAIN!
[02:32] <raevin> does anyone know how to use the restricted nvidia drivers?  i have them installed but they're not being used right now, and wanting to use them instead of fbevau or whatever xorg is using currently
[02:33] <Daskreech> raevin: whats your lsmod output say?
[02:34] <raevin> which one do you want, Daskreech??  cna't post it all here lol
[02:35] <Daskreech>  !pastebin
[02:35] <raevin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658365/
[02:38] <raevin> Daskreech: is that what you were wanting?
[02:39] <Daskreech> Yes thanks
[02:39] <Daskreech> nvidia is loaded. What else would you like?
[02:39] <claydoh> raevin: from that it looks like you are using nvidia if I am seeing it correctly
[02:39] <jamay> ahhhh, fucking windows xp, I just install it
[02:39] <Daskreech> !language
[02:40] <raevin> claydoh: how can you tell?? o.o
[02:40] <jamay> and my second disk partition table is erase !!!
[02:40] <jamay> oups sorry bot =)
[02:40] <claydoh> raevin:  nvidia              10709116  50
[02:40] <claydoh> line 12
[02:40] <U236Willy> I have the same thing loaded and my nvidia works
[02:40] <claydoh> and no mention ov neauveau
[02:41] <raevin> claydoh: yeah saw that afterwards, lol.  but, hold on, gonna upload something for ya
[02:42] <Daskreech> jamay: did you have data on it?
[02:42] <raevin> claydoh: http://imagebin.org/166296 <-- this confuses me greatly
[02:42] <jamay> yes :/ all my data
[02:42] <jamay> testdisk is running in a live cd now...
[02:42] <jamay> hope !
[02:42] <Daskreech> If it was a normal partition trashing your data is probably ok
[02:43] <claydoh> raevin: may be a bug, have you rebooted since installing? I am assuming you have
[02:43] <raevin> claydoh: yeah, lol.  i installed them when i first installed kubuntu about a month ago, restarted plenty of times since lol
[02:43] <jamay> I have juste windows on the pc because I want to install debian after
[02:43] <jamay> but I want to restore the partition table before
[02:43] <claydoh> raevin: since installing the driver?
[02:44] <claydoh> dumb question, the module would not be loaded then if you hadn't i belive
[02:44] <raevin> claydoh: yeaup, first thing i did when i installed kubuntu was install the nvidia restricted driver you see in the ss, and rebooted afterwards , got the same result all the times
[02:44] <jamay> because it will be my first install of debian and maybe it will take long time =) (sorry for bad english =)
[02:44] <raevin> it could've been loaded had i restarted x server, but...meh, not going to get so technical on that matter lol
[02:45] <claydoh> raevin: but it is installed so the applet is wrong in its notice
[02:45] <U236Willy> raevin: my additional drivers says the same as your imagebin... the only difference is I have module loaded called nv_tco which i don't see in yours but that could be specific to my nvidia card.
[02:45] <U236Willy> and I can play 720p 1080p etc.
[02:46] <raevin> U236Willy: it could be, i have a 9600gt, so not the newest of the breed lol.  but i play in 720p a lot too (actually all the time o.o).  Just wondering why it kept saying that lol.  claydoh, thanks for the help in this :D  it is much appreciated
[02:47] <U236Willy> i have a 8800GT
[02:47] <claydoh> raevin: np
[02:47] <raevin> U236Willy: dang...and you still beat me T_T  lol
[02:47] <U236Willy> meh..
[02:47] <U236Willy> it plays video
[02:48] <raevin> U236Willy: better than nothing, lol.  you play any games, or just vids?
[02:48] <U236Willy> no games
[02:48] <raevin> well must make things heck of a lot easier for ya lol
[02:50] <U236Willy> yeah... let me ask... in your system apps does the 'nvidia x server settings' show up?
[02:53] <U236Willy> hhehehe... i decided to play a 1080p vid from mplayer at the cli and I see it's using '[vdpau]' and i left the additional drivers window open and it still says '... not currently in use'
[02:54] <U236Willy> but the only way it could use vdpau is if it was using the drivers and the card
[02:54] <raevin> U236Willy: yeah, it shows up :D  works fine for me too.
[02:55] <U236Willy> !vdpau
[02:55] <raevin> U236Willy: vdpau is a part of the nvidia drivers (ended up reading about that a lot during my stuff)
[02:55] <raevin> i think the ! is only for ops and the like
[02:55] <U236Willy> the bot told me it didn't know
[02:55] <raevin> !language
[02:55] <raevin> huh...well i guess i was wrong o.o
[02:56] <raevin> sorry mods, wanted to test it out
[02:57] <raevin> anyone know if ubuntu is getting rid of tcp_wrappers support?
[02:57] <jamay> ok testdisk found partition
[02:57] <jamay> but cannot repare...
[02:57] <raevin> jamay: can you mount it in linux?
[02:58] <jamay> "write isn't available because the partition table type "none" has been detected" (testdisk message)
[02:58] <Daskreech> jamay: Debian isnt that long to install as long as you dont' do updates while installing
[02:58] <jamay> no i can't
[02:58] <Daskreech>  that takes forever
[02:58] <raevin> force mount it (mount -t ntfs -o ro ...)
[02:58] <jamay> it not an ntfs partition but ext4
[02:58] <raevin> think mount comes w/ a "-f" as well, not sure
[02:59] <raevin> mount it as ext4 then as read-only
[02:59] <raevin> saying this so you can at least see if you can access data
[02:59] <raevin> don't need to write to the drive :)
[02:59] <Daskreech> raevin: what about tcp_wrappers ?
[03:00] <jamay> hmm I don't anderstand all you say (english problem from me =)
[03:00] <jamay> it deosnt matter
[03:00] <Daskreech> jamay: would you like another chan ?
[03:00] <raevin> arch linux isn't supporting tcp_wrappers (/etc/hosts.allow & hosts.deny) anymore, and wondering if ubuntu plans on doing the same
[03:00] <Daskreech> jamay: can it see the files ?
[03:00] <jamay> no body at this time of the night =)
[03:00] <Daskreech> raevin: if it's a kernel choice then they pretty much are going to drop it
[03:00] <raevin> maybe I should let Daskreech take care of jamay...  haha
[03:01] <jamay> i will backup my data with testdisk and format disk
[03:01] <raevin> Daskreech: I don't htink it's a kernel choice, but i'll look into it more...thanks :D
[03:01] <Daskreech> raevin: he lost his partition table
[03:01] <raevin> Daskreech: I know, but i'm not helping him too much atm heh
[03:01] <Daskreech> raevin: I had heard some talk of that a few months back. Arch is quite a bit ahead of Ubuntu on the uptake so it may have just hit them first if that was the choice
[03:01] <jamay> good night !
[03:01] <GeekZilla> anyone know a good Pandora client similar to Pithos?
[03:01] <Daskreech> jamay: You will be ok?
[03:02] <jamay> yes i think
[03:02] <jamay> testdisk can acces to my data and explore
[03:02] <Daskreech> jamay: ok hope it works out well. Don't remake the partition till your data is safe
[03:02] <raevin> Daskreech: `alright, thanks :D  i'll look more into it and see what i find, hopefully something worthwhile lol
[03:02] <Daskreech> and be careful with Windows. It certainly isn't careful with you
[03:02] <jamay> i think it will bi possible to backup before do anything
[03:02] <jamay> =)
[03:02] <jamay> thx
[03:03] <Daskreech> You are welcome
[03:04] <clashingwave> Hello everyone, I'm trying to import my firefox bookmarks into rekong, does anyone know how to do that?
[03:13] <raevin> clashingwave: still tyring to find an answer?
[03:13] <Daskreech> clashingwave: try export them as a .html file and import back
[03:13] <clashingwave> I can't seem to find the import button...
[03:14] <raevin> clashingwave: see here: http://kamikazow.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/bye-firefox-hello-rekonq/
[03:14] <clashingwave> raevin thank you
[03:14] <clashingwave> I'll take a look at that
[03:14] <raevin> clashingwave: no problem :)  hope it works.
[03:31] <Daskreech> \o/
[03:31] <Daskreech> Hooray solutions
[03:52] <jmichaelx> i  have noticed now that not only do icons in the task manager in 4.7 not disappear when the corresponding window is closed, clicking on windows in the task manager (while the window is open) does not maximize/minimize the window as it should
[03:58] <ssfdre38> do you think that installing csf as my personal firewall on my laptop would be ok?
[04:02] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: are you sure you don't have two task managers running?
[04:03] <Daskreech> ssfdre38: I suppose
[04:04] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: that thought had not occurred to me... i will check that out
[04:08] <melodie> I need help finding a CD mounter...all the ones that I tried downloading don't detect my Drive... Anyone with any sugestions or help?
[04:10] <melodie> No? Please!! I'll like, love you forever. But seriously, I need help.
[04:11] <Daskreech> melodie: a what?
[04:11] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: ok, in determining whether or not i have two instances of the task manager running on either/both of these machines, what is the process name for the task manager?
[04:12] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: You wouldn't see it her
[04:13] <melodie> Daskreech: Virtual CD Mounter...Like Magic ISO or Power ISO...I need to virtually mount a .ISO file so another program can load is basacly. And I need a program like Magic ISO or something like that, that can mount the .ISO file..
[04:13] <Daskreech> melodie: Just mount the file normally
[04:13] <Daskreech> melodie: what's the name of the file?
[04:14] <melodie> Idk how, I thought I had to have a program for that. Tell me how please, its been driving me crazy.
[04:14] <melodie> It is actaully mulitple files...like alot
[04:14] <Daskreech> melodie: mkdir CD
[04:14] <Daskreech> sudo mount CDname.iso -o loop CD/
[04:15] <Daskreech> don't know if you need the sudo actually
[04:15] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: how would you recommend a person check whether or not multiple task manager weree running simultaneously?
[04:15] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: There was a simple way but I'd jsut remove the task manager and see if there was another one behind it
[04:17] <Daskreech> melodie: works?
[04:18] <melodie> Daskreech: Needed to find the file first, my files are sort of crowded...
[04:18] <Daskreech> melodie: :-D
[04:19] <jmichaelx> that was strange, i lost connection to irc
[04:20] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: how would you recommend a person check whether or not multiple task manager weree running simultaneously?
[04:20] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: There was a simple way but I'd just remove the task manager and see if there was another one behind it
[04:23] <melodie> Daskreech: http://paste.kde.org/106219/ Lol, looks like you, or i, wrote it wrong
[04:23] <Daskreech> melodie: what did you write as the command?
[04:24] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: ok, there had only been one task manager running
[04:24] <melodie>  sudo mount "File name".iso -o loop CD/
[04:24] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Hmm Ok add it back
[04:25] <Daskreech> melodie: and you have a Directory named CD ?
[04:25] <melodie> maybe... XD
[04:25] <melodie> Daskreech: Lol, one sec, i'll fix it
[04:26] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: ok what happens when you open and close a program? It gets an entry then doesn't disappear?
[04:26] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: already added back. this is apparently some sort of bug or regression in 4.7
[04:26] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: yes
[04:26] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Just checking do you kno what version of Qt you have?
[04:27] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: however, it does disappear upon opening any new window
[04:27] <Daskreech> oh hmm cached pixmap?
[04:27] <Daskreech> but then that one doesn't go away
[04:28] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: yea, although it seems to be somewhat inconsistent
[04:30] <melodie> Daskreech: Wait, what... God, ok... what directory am I trying to put, the media directory? That is where all my devices show up whenever I put them in, like Ipod, cd, dvd, ect. (Sorry for my stupidity in technology.)
[04:30] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: should libqt4-core be installed?
[04:31] <Shirakawasuna> I'm new to *buntu.  In general, is winepulse going to work better for games if I'm using PulseAudio?
[04:31] <Shirakawasuna> in other words should I use this ppa? https://launchpad.net/~alexandre-montplaisir/+archive/winepulse
[04:32] <Daskreech> melodie: It's ok not stupidity just unfamilar. What are you trying to do?
[04:32] <Daskreech> Shirakawasuna: that's the idea but #winehq would be a good place to ask
[04:33] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: Yes
[04:39] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: this is not yet conclusive, but it is seeming like installing libqt4-core may have fixed the problem... what i do not get is why i would not have thaaat package installed
[04:40] <Shirakawasuna> as expected, wine-pulse isn't supported in that channel ;)
[04:41] <Daskreech> Shirakawasuna: ha :) ok
[04:44] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: ok, problem not solved
[04:45] <Daskreech> still behaving in a silly manner?
[04:45] <jmichaelx> yea, apparently so
[04:46] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: I'd bug #kubuntu-devel first since that's the first I've heard of that
[04:46] <Daskreech> do you have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[04:46] <jmichaelx> others in here have said they are experiencing the same thing
[04:46] <raevin1> hey all, does anyone know how to expand a variable in bash in date?  i'm trying expand LSOUT (which contains yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss) into date (i.e.: date --date='<< insert LSOUT here>>' +%s) and i can't figureo ut how to do this
[04:46] <jmichaelx> yes, kubuntu-desktop is installed
[04:47] <Daskreech> raevin1: try =" instead of ='
[04:48] <raevin1> Daskreech: that doesn't work either :/  i'll pastebin it
[04:49] <jmichaelx> Daskreech: blueskaj said that he was experiencing this same problem when i was in here earlier today
[04:49] <Daskreech> jmichaelx: ah did he fix it?
[04:49] <jmichaelx> no, he also had not yet figured it ouuuut
[04:50] <raevin1> Daskreech: http://paste.kde.org/106225/
[04:52] <Daskreech> What's the echo for?
[04:53] <raevin1> used $LSOUT first, didn't work, so i tried doing `echo -n $LSOUT` instead
[05:06] <raevin1> finally got it lol
[05:07] <raevin1> had to use $(date --date="$LSOUT" +%s)
[05:09] <noaXess> morning
[05:09] <noaXess> any idea what to change in this situation: sound on boot is of.. i need to mute/unmute and increase sound level to set it on..
[05:10] <raevin1> noaXess: check alsamixer on boot, and see if any channels are muted
[05:10] <raevin1> assuming u're using alsa
[05:12] <noaXess> raevin1: ok.. wil check that now..
[05:14] <Daskreech> !tab | melodie
[05:15] <raevin1> noaXess: were any channels muted (MM) when you run alsamixer?
[05:16] <noaXess> raevin1: give me a second :)
[05:16] <noaXess> raevin1: http://i.imgur.com/Jm0p6.png
[05:17] <noaXess> pavucontrol playback: http://i.imgur.com/iP11U.png
[05:17] <raevin1> noaXess: for some reason the master channel is set to 0 (mute), so just press the up arrow on it until it says 100
[05:18] <noaXess> raevin1: i know that.. i do that all the time on boot.. but.. why isn't it saved after reboot?.. it is reseted
[05:18] <raevin1> noaXess: i personally don't trust pulseaudio (pavucontrol), alsamixer is more reliable for sound problems myself
[05:18] <raevin1> noaXess: yeah, i was getting to that lol
[05:18] <raevin1> noaXess: after you do that, there should be an alsactl program, 1 sec
[05:19] <raevin1> noaXess: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting#Saving Sound Settings
[05:19] <raevin1> ...well, you know, copy the entire text there
[05:19] <raevin1> stupid URL bad formatting on wiki
[05:20] <noaXess> but only setup level to eg. 50% is not all.. i need to mute/unmute to get sound working..
[05:20] <raevin1> i ran into this issue in arch linux, had to do this to make it work
[05:20] <raevin1> noaXess: yeah, but if you store it like the link says, you won't have to anymore
[05:20] <raevin1> do what the article says, reboot, and see if it works :)
[05:20] <noaXess> raevin1: ok..
[05:23] <noaXess> raevin1: ok. done .. reboot
[05:23] <raevin1> noaXess: yeaup, lemme know how it goes :D
[05:26] <noaXess> raevin1: no.. no chance.. still muted... must do still the same.. mute/unmute, increase sound level :(..
[05:26] <raevin1> noaXess: ...fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[05:26] <noaXess> jep
[05:27] <noaXess> sound is working correct after those steps.. until i reboot..
[05:27] <raevin1> noaXess: sorry...always worked for me.  did you save it after you maxed out the audio settings in alsamixer?
[05:27] <noaXess> raevin1: sure.. :)
[05:27] <noaXess> not a newby ;)
[05:27] <noaXess> newbie...
[05:27] <noaXess> i have this problem since 10.04...
[05:28] <raevin1> noaXess: i kinda am haha, just know what works for me lol
[05:28] <raevin1> noaXess: are you using internal or external sound?
[05:28] <noaXess> internal: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[05:29] <raevin1> noaXess: hmmm....sorry :/  wish i could help you more on this
[05:30] <raevin1> laptop's about to die T_T  darn battery...night ya'll.  i'll most likely be back on here in the morn hah
[05:30] <Daskreech> NIght
[05:30] <noaXess> raevin1: by..
[05:40] <delight> I'm experiencing that X11 is somwhat slower after suspend to ram (esp. in twin-view configuration). Using nvidia and the nvidia tools to switch to "dual-screen" ... did somebody got similar experiences ?
[05:41] <delight> is this kde only
[05:42] <noaXess> delight: don't kow.. if it is only in kde.. i use also nvidia for twinview.... normally if i suspend my notebook i switch off dual view.. so just the normal display is active..
[05:43] <noaXess> and have no problem with supending and resume and X11 performance
[05:44] <delight> noaXess: thnx for your response ... its strange .. but i can tell ... X11 takes more cpu and at some point if enough windows are open even composite will fail ... things gets really slow ...
[05:45] <delight> I don't like to switch screens just to go into suspend-to-ram
[05:45] <noaXess> delight: try this: nvidia-settings -a PixmapCache=0 && sleep 2s && nvidia-settings -a PixmapCache=1
[05:45] <noaXess> sometimes the PixmapCache is full or what ever.. and this command helps to clear it will working
[05:45] <delight> noaXess: you mean after it got slugish, right ?
[05:45] <noaXess> maybe this help
[05:46] <noaXess> delight: yes.. if X is slow.. or window switching goes slow..
[05:46] <delight> I will try that one ;) would be cool if it helps ...
[05:46] <delight> noaXess: thank you, sounds promissing ... I'll let you know if it helped
[05:46] <noaXess> your welcome
[05:51] <Shirakawasuna> gah, I can't get torchlight to install with wine :/
[05:51] <Shirakawasuna> I bought it partially because winehq had golden status on systems similar to mine
[06:33] <Killarny> how do I access the wifi settings in the kubuntu installer, to add my access point details?
[07:50] <noaXess> does someone know any free cloud system?
[09:16] <erinaceus> Hi, i was wondering if it is possible to use qt-java to create plasmoids in KDE?
[09:40] <James147> erinaceus: you would at the very least need the kde bindings for java... and although i can find evidence that someone had created some in the past I cannot actually find them :)  suggesting they arnt well suported
[09:40] <James147> :p
[09:51] <sinclair_> any rekonq users online?
[09:52] <Burillo> well, me
[09:52] <Burillo> sort of
[09:53] <Burillo> sinclair_ why?
[09:53] <sinclair_> burillo: you got a problem with crash loading flash plugin manually?
[09:54] <sinclair_> cause I do...
[09:54] <sinclair_> since forever...
[09:54] <Burillo> sinclair_ i recall something like that happening recently
[09:54] <Burillo> but IIRC it was fixed
[09:54] <Burillo> have you tried updating to latest PPA?
[09:55] <sinclair_> burillo: yes I am on the latest PPA (I think) rekonq 0.7.57
[09:55] <Burillo> hmmm
[09:55] <Burillo> i'm in the process of reinstalling everything now
[09:55] <Burillo> will check once i'm doen
[09:57] <sinclair_> burillo: thx
[09:57] <Burillo> i tend to use firefox for now anyway
[09:58] <Burillo> last time i used rekonq it had some troubles with remembering passwords
[09:58] <Burillo> i mean, it never really auto filled any forms for me
[09:59] <sinclair_> burillo: yep that one is still there - or for me it shows in that it keeps asking on sites I  say "never for this site"
[09:59] <Burillo> and now that i finally set up firefox integration with KWallet
[09:59] <Burillo> my problem is the opposite - sometimes it never asks, and even when it does it doesn't remember them
[09:59] <sinclair_> burillo: I know.. FF is my primary but I like to see Rekonq working
[09:59] <Burillo> i would LOVE to see rekonq working, and i really try to make it work for me, but so far no luck
[10:00] <sinclair_> so I can use it for stuff like social networking etc for now
[10:00] <Burillo> i don't care single bit about social networks but it doesn't go well with some of the forums i visit every day
[10:00] <sinclair_> burillo: for me the bummer is the crashing on flash - I do not want auto load (slow network)
[10:01] <Burillo> and since i am practicing online security (like different passwords everywhere) that password thing is really a show stopper for me
[10:02] <Burillo> i sincerely hope flash will go away soon with the introduction of HTML5
[10:02] <Burillo> i hate flash
[10:03] <Burillo> it has always been slow, always had problems with security etc.
[10:03] <sinclair_> burillo: that will be process that will take time though
[10:03] <Burillo> youtube had a beta HTML5 site
[10:04] <RonaldJ> Flash is not working fullscreen in firefox on my kubuntu 11.04. Am I the only one?
[10:04] <Burillo> since most people barely use flash anywhere else (well, aside from stupid facebook games) just transitioning youtube to HTML5 will help me get rid of it completely
[10:04] <sinclair_> ronaldj: have never tried, hold on
[10:05] <Burillo> RonaldJ, it has something to do with buggy drivers i think - i used to have that problem on proprietary nvidia, but now that i have nouveau it all works fine now
[10:05] <sinclair_> ronaldj: works fine for me, FF 5
[10:06] <sinclair_> am on intel integrated graph though
[10:16] <RonaldJ> Burillo Thanks.
[10:21] <kavurt> is kubuntu 11.10 alpha available? i can't find it
[10:25] <szal> kavurt: ->
[10:25] <szal> sry
[10:25] <szal> kavurt: -> #ubuntu+1 please
[10:25] <OerHeks> kavurt, there is a daily build > http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[10:25] <OerHeks> yes, support in #Ubuntu+1
[10:25] <kavurt> thanks
[11:17] <tonymc> doesn't this channel kick out nicknames that aren't connected anymore?
[11:26] <tonymc> can konversation be minimized to tray?
[11:27] <Peace-> mm
[11:37] <GirlyGirl> hi
[11:37] <Incarus6> hey, GirlyGirl
[11:38] <Incarus6> oh dude, I know why I'm not using Gnome, https://plus.google.com/106327083461132854143/posts/SbnL3KaVRtM
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:59] <osinclair_> burillo: you there?
[12:01] <Burillo> yes i'm here
[12:05] <osinclair_> you managed to try Rekonq/flash yet?
[12:06] <Burillo> nah, got busy, will try now
[12:09] <Burillo> ha, flash doesn't seem to work at all
[12:09] <Burillo> strangely it did last time i checked (yestrday)
[12:10] <Incarus6> What's the exact issue?
[12:11] <Hamra> i believe it's on the mailing list... rekonq crashes when flash gets loaded... testing on my computer now
[12:11] <BluesKaj> flash works well on rekonq if you have kubuntu-retricted-extras installed
[12:11] <BluesKaj> restricted
[12:11] <Incarus6> flash works well in Firefox.
[12:11] <Burillo> i know flash works well on firefox
[12:12] <Hamra> i just clicked "load plugin" on a youtube video, and it loaded fine
[12:12] <Incarus6> in or on? D:
[12:12] <Burillo> however i value KDE integration,and this is where firefox lacks
[12:12] <Burillo> who cares
[12:14] <Hamra> i value KDE integration too... but i'm afraid non of the KDE browsers are mature enough to compete with firefox... but of course, these are all matters of personal opinions, that i'd rather not argue about :)
[12:14] <Burillo> besides i hate to have GTK on my KDE system
[12:14] <Burillo> well, that's what we're doing here - we are trying out KDE browsers so that developers know about the problems
[12:14] <Incarus6> !info firefox-kde-support
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Burillo, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:15] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:18] <Burillo> i have extras installed
[12:20] <Burillo> oh, now flash works
[12:20] <Burillo> must have been a glitch or something
[12:20] <BluesKaj> ok Burillo now , sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[12:20] <Burillo> and it doesn't crash on my system
[12:20] <Burillo> though i certainly remember it crashing a few days ago
[12:21] <Incarus6> Burillo, the system crashs are related with the hardware acceleration of flash player
[12:21] <Burillo> nouveau is to blame then
[12:21] <BusyLittleBee> Is it just me or does Office 2007 run fine on Ubuntu and run like shit on Kubuntu?
[12:21] <Burillo> although mine runs at noaccel
[12:21] <Pici> BusyLittleBee: 1) Mind your language here please 2) Don't expect things that run in WINE to run to their full potential.
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Burillo, which nvidia card ?
[12:21] <Burillo> GT some thing
[12:21] <Burillo> GT230M i think
[12:22] <Burillo> i did try office 2007 on Kubuntu
[12:23] <Burillo> didn't have any problems
[12:23] <Burillo> maybe try updating wine? like from PPA
[12:23] <BluesKaj> did you try the recommended driver in kmenu>apps>settings>additional drivers?
[12:23] <Burillo> i don't want to use the proprietary driver
[12:23] <Hamra> BusyLittleBee: are effects running? they can hamper down already-intensive application, and gnome's effects seem to be a little lighter than KDE's
[12:24] <Burillo> i'm fine on nouveau with noaccel
[12:24] <Burillo> as long as it doesn't deadlock (which it does without noaccel) i'm fine, i don't play games anyway
[12:24] <Hamra> Burillo: that's a shame... it's a pretty good device... at least better than mine :P
[12:25] <BusyLittleBee> yeah was a fresh install, Outlook kept crashing
[12:25] <Burillo> it's certainly not bad but i'd be better off with more supported device
[12:26] <Incarus6> Burillo, I'm Running a GT220 - working perfectly with the proprietary driver
[12:26] <Hamra> BusyLittleBee: why do you want to use outlook? :S
[12:26] <Burillo> yea, aside from plymouth and slow switching to X
[12:26] <Incarus6> !info libreoffice | BussyLittleBee
[12:27] <BusyLittleBee> Exchange
[12:27] <Hamra> yes, and my 8500GT runs more than perfect with the proprietary driver
[12:28] <BusyLittleBee> I'm a systems admin for AD domain and we use exchange, like Linux but need Office
[12:28] <Burillo> besides, nVidia didn't say that it will support KMS and Wayland, and that is what i am looking up to
[12:28] <Incarus6> Flash player 11 Beta 1 is much more stable then 10.3. I experience fewer (/no) crashs with that version
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Burillo, are you trying to be some kind of purist , because if you come in here and complain about flash not working but refuse to follow advice by well meaning support volunteers , then perhaps you shouldn't complain about flash not working in rekonq.
[12:29] <BluesKaj> period
[12:29] <Incarus6> BusyLittleBee, if you run a Windows application on Linux you are probably using wine, see
[12:29] <Burillo> first of all, i didn't complain that flash didn't work
[12:29] <Incarus6> !wine | BusyLittleBee
[12:30] <Burillo> my main browser is firefox, flash works fine there
[12:30] <Burillo> i was just helping this guy who complained that flash has been crashing rekonq
[12:30] <Hamra> BusyLittleBee: http://downloadsquad.switched.com/2007/03/30/howto-thunderbird-and-ms-exchange-server/
[12:30] <noaXess> in dolphin with F12 there will be a search panel enabled.. but how to use that panel? it's grayed out..
[12:30] <BluesKaj> ok , my apologies .. Burillo , thought it was you
[12:31] <Burillo> it's ok, just don't jump to conclusions please
[12:31] <Incarus6> noaXess, you have to enable Nepomuk again
[12:32]  * BluesKaj needs more coffee '
[12:33] <noaXess> Incarus6: aha..
[12:33] <Incarus6> Rekonq is too unstable yet to use it
[12:33] <Burillo> on the side note, does anyone know how to remove the KDEnlive project folder from my "Places" shelf? it's not showing in Dolphin's places
[12:33] <noaXess> BluesKaj: me too.. i order a.. esspresso with some grappa.. ok? ;)
[12:33] <Incarus6> noaXess, under Systemsettings is an option called Desktopsearch, make sure verything is up and running there correctly
[12:34] <Burillo> incarus6 for me it's not that it's unstable, it's just some things don't work, mainly password-related and form auto filling, and also some websites don't work correctly with it. i'm too spoilt with firefox's great support for that.
[12:34] <noaXess> Incarus6: you mean... Enalbe Nepomuk Semantic Desktop, Enabel Stigri Desktop File Indexer... and so on?
[12:34] <Incarus6> noaXess, correct, Sir
[12:34] <noaXess> Incarus6: thanks Sir ;)
[12:34] <Burillo> other than that it's really stable on my system, aside from flash-related crashes (which i don't seem to have anymore), it didn't crash on me a single time
[12:35] <Incarus6> noaXess,w hy have you disabled it if you want to use this function, Sir? ;)
[12:36] <noaXess> Incarus6: ... wait.. i saw that panel after upgrade to kde 4.7 :).. and before i think i have disabled the panel and also nepmuk..
[12:36] <noaXess> nepomuk.. ^
[12:37] <Hamra> i am still downloading the 4.7 packages (slow connection)... i've heard nepomuk and strigi got a huge amount of bugfixes... cant wait to see how good they are now
[12:38]  * BluesKaj disables nepomuk and removes kmail and kontact after every dist-upgrade
[12:39] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, I agree, I've also disabled nepomuk and strigi. If I want to find files in dolphin I press Ctrl+F, noaXess
[12:39] <Hamra> i test kontact after every release... so far, the result has always been to remove it and keep thunderbird :P
[12:39] <noaXess> Incarus6: jep.. i think that was also my plan :)
[12:39] <BluesKaj> there's not much one can do about privacy and security when the ISP mailserver uses hotmail anyway :P
[12:41] <Hamra> BluesKaj: lol, no...
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hamra, pop account = pophm , send mail protocol = smtphm
[12:45] <BluesKaj> not very reassuring
[12:46] <Hamra> i run my own mail server... worry free
[12:47] <soee> yofel, hi are there any changes in smooth taks or new build is only for kde 4.7 compatibility ?
[12:47] <soee> *tasks
[12:48] <yofel> the rebuild in the PPA is only for 4.7 compatibility
[12:48] <soee> ok, thank you
[12:49] <Burillo> does smooth tasks have the capability similar to windows 7's sticky icons?
[12:49] <Burillo> like launching stuff
[12:50] <soee> on KDE 4.6.5 the version you can find in ppa doesnt support docking for me
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Hamra, I've been considering that for a while ..already own a domain and I suppose a slight increase in cost for a static IP would get me started , but I don't run a business of any sort so I wonder if it's worth the trouble.
[12:50] <soee> there are forks  thah does
[12:51] <soee> *do
[12:54] <Burillo> are they available as packages?
[12:55] <Burillo> can't seem to find any
[13:06] <soee> you have to compile, this one is the newest i think: https://bitbucket.org/panzi/smooth-tasks/overview
[13:09] <bdizzle> hi, for some reason lately, Kubuntu 11.04 64-bit has been playing media "fast-forwarded"
[13:10] <bdizzle> where Amarok does not work and everything except VLC is playing at 2x the rate
[13:10] <tonymc> now that's a weird problem to have
[13:10] <tonymc> does your amarok use libvlc as a backend?
[13:11] <bdizzle> let me check
[13:11] <tonymc> you might want to check that in phonon configuration
[13:11] <tonymc> since that's what amarok uses
[13:11] <bdizzle> libvlc5 is installed
[13:12] <tonymc> if you have VLC it would be normal to have libvlc installed, what i mean is maybe there's something wrong with GStreamer
[13:12] <bdizzle> oh
[13:12] <tonymc> because VLC doesn't have that problem, so i assume it's not a system-wide problem, but something related to backend used
[13:13] <tonymc> VLC IIRC doesn't use GStreamer, that's why i'm asking
[13:13] <bdizzle> well, I know Amarok, kaffeine, dragon player and GNOME Movie player all show the same issues
[13:13] <BluesKaj> bdizzle, you could use vlc-phonon plugin in place of gstreamer in phonon backend
[13:14] <tonymc> so that's GStreamer problem
[13:14] <tonymc> what can i say, try reinstalling/reconfiguring GStreamer packages
[13:15] <bdizzle> ok
[13:16] <BluesKaj> bdizzle, phonon-backend-vlc is the app
[13:17] <tonymc> that will "fix" only phonon packages, it won't affect e.g. GNOME movie player
[13:17] <bdizzle> okay
[13:17] <bdizzle> odd, it won't let me delete gstreamer packages, claiming dependencies
[13:17] <tonymc> sure it won't
[13:17] <tonymc> go to aptitude, find anything gstreamer-related and reinstall it (reinstall means reinstall, not delete-install)
[13:17] <bdizzle> ah okay
[13:18] <BluesKaj> deteting gstreamer is not a good idea for sure
[13:18] <tonymc> it's fun though
[13:19] <bdizzle> I think just installing phonon-backend-vlc worked
[13:19] <bdizzle> it seems to be going normal speed now
[13:19] <tonymc> for amarok, i take it
[13:19] <bdizzle> for everything, hold on
[13:20] <tonymc> it would be weird if it affected everything, but oh well - it's Linux, baby
[13:20] <bdizzle> lol
[13:20] <bdizzle> ok, everything works now, sweet
[13:20] <tonymc> funny thing is, libvlc and phonon are totally unrelated to GNOME media player, under no circumstances it ever interfaces them
[13:21] <tonymc> and yet it worked
[13:21] <tonymc> wow
[13:21] <bdizzle> lol
[13:21] <bdizzle> linux works in mysterious ways
[13:21] <bdizzle> lol
[13:24] <bdizzle> thanks
[13:24] <BluesKaj> vlc is a terrific app , it takes time to figure out it's yses because some are hidden weird places , but once one discovers it's capabilities they seem endless interms of media uses
[13:24] <tonymc> vlc is sure great but looks god awful
[13:25] <tonymc> and i love me some eye candy haha
[13:25] <BluesKaj> yup, kinda simple
[13:26] <BluesKaj> but  I don't care... amarok looks better , but to me is not laid out in a logical manner
[13:27] <BluesKaj> and is clunky when trying to play files
[13:27] <BluesKaj> my taste , that's all
[13:28] <tonymc> i don't like amarok too
[13:28] <tonymc> i'm considering writing my own music player
[13:28] <tonymc> because not a single one of them seem to fulfill what i want from it
[13:28] <tonymc> if you ever used MediaMonkey on Windows you'd know what i mean haha
[13:31] <BluesKaj> tonymc, maybe the OT cops are gonna remind us about #kubuntu-offtopic  ,  soon :)
[13:36] <tonymc> is there any KDE backup solution similar to dejadup? i'm mainly interested in regular encrypted backups of files/folders
[13:37] <tonymc> or i'm better off writing a script and put it in a cron job?
[13:40] <James147> tonymc: not sure about encrypted backups... but luckybackup is a nice kde front end to rsync
[13:40] <BluesKaj> deja-dup works in kde
[13:41] <tonymc> i know it works, it just installs gnome keyring, which in turn starts bugging me in telepathy-kde
[13:41] <BluesKaj> bummer
[13:41] <bdizzle> okay, yet another question regarding multimedia
[13:42] <tonymc> because so far telepathy libs only support gnome keyring for now
[13:42] <bdizzle> I've got an HDMI port and internal speakers on my laptop. The volume control only affects the HDMI port unless I go into kmix and adjust the internal speakers manually
[13:42] <bdizzle> how do I map the volume control to the internal speakers instead of the HDMI port?
[13:42] <tonymc> that's strange they are starting talking about a unified secrets standard now because i saw discussions on the mailing lists three years ago
[13:42] <tonymc> i think "select master channel" would do the trick
[13:43] <bdizzle> ....duh, I wasn't aware of its existance
[13:43] <bdizzle> thank you
[13:44] <EvilRoey> hi.. I have this Plantronics 655 DSP  USB headphones set.. I connect it, it's detected in KDE, it shows up alongside the Analog stream in KMix.. yet I can't hear anything from it when I play Youtube or mpg123 on the command line.  Is this another pulseaudio issue??
[13:44] <BluesKaj> bdizzle, alsamixer gives more options than kmix
[13:45] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  oh hey
[13:45] <BluesKaj> hi EvilRoey
[13:45] <EvilRoey> gosh it seems I have issues with pulseaido
[13:47]  * BluesKaj wishes #pulseaudio chat had better support
[13:47] <tonymc> have you tried reloading firefox?
[13:47] <tonymc> since it's USB, it's effectively another driver
[13:48] <tonymc> you would have to somehow make firefox use that driver instead of your integrated sound card
[13:49] <EvilRoey> true... I haven't restarted Firefox since I plugged them in.
[13:49] <EvilRoey> tonymc:  but then why can't  I play it with mpg123?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, I'm not sure but I think capture devices in alsamixer might be relavent to your problem
[13:49] <tonymc> maybe because you started it AFTER?
[13:49] <tonymc> capture devices are for recording
[13:50] <tonymc> playback devices would be more relevant
[13:50] <BluesKaj> EvilRoey, don't you use a USB soundard ?
[13:50] <tonymc> as i said, it's different driver
[13:51] <tonymc> that means you have to make stuff go through it
[13:51] <tonymc> i would advice going to sound control and setting your USB thingie as primary sound device
[13:51] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  it's integrated sound
[13:52] <BluesKaj> ok EvilRoey sorry , that's why I suggested the capture devices
[13:52] <tonymc> System Settings -> Multimedia -> Phonon
[13:52] <tonymc> set your USB thing on top of the list
[13:53] <tonymc> that way whenever it's plugged in, everything would go through it
[13:53] <tonymc> whenever it's out, your integrated soundcard kicks in
[13:53] <tonymc> that should do it
[13:53] <EvilRoey> tonymc:  ok I did that on my own just now
[13:54] <EvilRoey> under Device Preference,
[13:54] <EvilRoey> In "Default Output Device Preference", I see PulseAudio Sound Server
[13:55] <BluesKaj> gah ,  pulseaudio
[13:55] <EvilRoey> wellll that's Kubuntu's style
[13:56] <EvilRoey> ya know, this is so stupid, why should a user have to jump through hoops after they plug in this USB headphone.. this will never fly for non-hackers.
[13:56] <maco> pavucontrol lets you select which output device to use if they are multiple soundcards (like with usb)
[13:56] <EvilRoey> I get the same thing when I connect these to my home machine, too.
[13:56] <EvilRoey> ah that's right
[13:56] <EvilRoey> pavucontrol
[13:56] <EvilRoey> maco you're awesome
[13:56] <EvilRoey> you all are
[13:56] <FloodBotK1> EvilRoey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:56] <EvilRoey> one sec
[13:57] <tonymc> ha
[13:58] <BluesKaj> PA works ok for fancy pci soundcards , but it's problematic for integrated sound, unless pavucontrol is installled , but even then it's a hit or miss
[13:59] <EvilRoey> so under pavucontrol, I saw the same controls as I did in the KDE System Settings Multimedia applet.
[13:59] <tonymc> i often have to resort to GNOME alsa mixer on my integrated card because pulseaudio isn't that good for managing recording volume
[13:59] <EvilRoey> I changed "Profile" from Analog to "Digital Stereo (IEC958 Output + Digital (IEC958) Input
[14:00] <tonymc> wowowow
[14:00] <tonymc> don't change to digital inputs outputs
[14:00] <EvilRoey> and now I hear static from the headphones.  Restarted Firefox for good measure.  Still don't hear anything on youtube.
[14:00] <tonymc> they're for digital sound transmission
[14:00] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:00] <tonymc> think HDMI, fiber optic
[14:00] <tonymc> you need analog outputs
[14:00] <EvilRoey> ah
[14:01] <tonymc> so you're saying that your USB device doesn't show up in pulseaudio as another device?
[14:01] <EvilRoey> so I set it to Analog Stereo Duplex and now I hear that static again.  At least it's better than nothing.
[14:01] <EvilRoey> It does show up.
[14:01] <EvilRoey> Sound Card: Plantronics Audio 655 DSP
[14:01] <tonymc> so you make it top priority then
[14:01] <tonymc> in phonon's settings
[14:02] <EvilRoey> I'm in phonon settings,
[14:02] <EvilRoey> and the Default Output Device Preference is "PulseAudio Sound Server"
[14:02] <EvilRoey> I hear static, but nothing else, even when I hit "Test"
[14:03] <tonymc> what are the devices out there listed?
[14:03] <EvilRoey> Under the "Device Preference" tab, just PulseAudio SoundServer by itself.
[14:03] <tonymc> hm
[14:04] <EvilRoey> Under "Speaker Setup", Sound Card: Plantronics Audio 655 DSP, Prifle: Analog Stereo Duplex
[14:04] <tonymc> maybe under the second tab you'd find something
[14:04] <tonymc> aha
[14:04] <tonymc> it should work though
[14:04] <tonymc> dammit
[14:05] <EvilRoey> ya know I could be messing with you
[14:05] <tonymc> i remember watching "Linux Sucks" video back in april last year - nothing changed since then... we're still having audio problems :-)
[14:05] <EvilRoey> (joke, joke!)
[14:05] <tonymc> OK let me think
[14:06] <EvilRoey> Is it expected of the user to configure USB headphones after they plug them in, or should they just work ideally?
[14:06] <tonymc> well to be honest i never dealt with USB gear
[14:06] <EvilRoey> ah ok
[14:06] <tonymc> only with pro-grade firewire devices
[14:06] <tonymc> but then again they're using JACK so that's easier
[14:07] <tonymc> i know for a fact that under windows, using *USB* headphones is requiring another driver
[14:07] <tonymc> and it sorta requires running everything through that driver in order for it to work
[14:07] <tonymc> under Linux it seems to be the same thing (otherwise we wouldn't see that Plantronics blablabla)
[14:08] <tonymc> but since i'm not really familiar with pulseaudio...
[14:09] <tonymc> if i had that unit on me i'd check but having none leaves me guessing
[14:09] <tonymc> i'd suggest googling as a last resort
[14:09] <EvilRoey> I thought PA is Kubuntu's thing?
[14:09] <tonymc> no, pulse audio IIRC is GNOME thing
[14:09] <EvilRoey> ok, well thanks though
[14:09] <tonymc> Phonon is Kubuntu's thing
[14:09] <EvilRoey> tonymc:  ah.  What's it doing on my Kubuntu then??
[14:09] <tonymc> Phonon uses PulseAudio as a backend
[14:09] <EvilRoey> I want to remove this PA altogether then, if I don't need it
[14:10] <EvilRoey> tonymc:  well yes I understand that
[14:10] <tonymc> i'm not sure how to do that
[14:10] <tonymc> but you might try
[14:10] <EvilRoey> I mean I can apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio
[14:10] <EvilRoey> I
[14:10] <EvilRoey> I've done it ebfore and it did the trick
[14:10] <tonymc> well
[14:10] <tonymc> do it now then
[14:10] <EvilRoey> I just didnt' know if PA is an integral part of this complete KDE-centric distro
[14:10] <tonymc> nope
[14:11] <EvilRoey> pulseaudio, G'BYE..
[14:11] <EvilRoey> could it have gotten pulled in when I installed some GNOME app without realizing it?
[14:12] <tonymc> no it's usually there by default
[14:12] <tonymc> i prefer citing Metallica's middle part from "Creeping Death" for such situations :-)
[14:12] <tonymc> you know, the "Die!!! Die!!! Die!!!" part :-D
[14:13] <tonymc> so, did it do the trick?
[14:13] <EvilRoey> http://pastebin.com/WGF2HFZZ
[14:13] <EvilRoey> not exactly, heh
[14:14] <tonymc> try something more sophisticated, like youtube
[14:15] <tonymc> actually i see i have PulseAudio on my system
[14:15] <tonymc> so that means my pulseaudio is stronger than your pulseaudio
[14:16] <tonymc> since i can actually see the individual devices
[14:16] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:16] <EvilRoey> hahah
[14:16] <tonymc> maybe old KDE system? what version are you using? Because i remember my soundcards were as pulse audio server on earlier versions of Kubuntu
[14:17] <tonymc> but now they're separate
[14:17] <EvilRoey> KDE 4.6.2
[14:17] <tonymc> natty?
[14:18] <EvilRoey> right
[14:18] <tonymc> hmmm
[14:18] <tonymc> well
[14:18] <EvilRoey> oh and youtube didnt' work after I restarted Firefox for good measure
[14:18] <tonymc> i'm out of ideas, honestly
[14:18] <EvilRoey> ok
[14:18] <tonymc> get pulseaudio back
[14:18] <EvilRoey> thank you for your assistance though
[14:18] <tonymc> and pray it works this time :-)
[14:18] <EvilRoey> tonymc:  ok
[14:19] <tonymc> i'm running KDE 4.7 now but i'm sure it worked even before natty
[14:19] <tonymc> i mean the "separate devices" part
[14:19] <EvilRoey> I've made it work here before
[14:19] <EvilRoey> I just forgot what I did
[14:19] <EvilRoey> pavucontrol was part of it, I remember.
[14:20] <EvilRoey> I dunno anymore
[14:20] <EvilRoey> I'll switch to plain audio speakers
[14:20] <tonymc> how about that? http://linuxowns.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/how-i-got-my-usb-headset-to-work/
[14:20] <EvilRoey> this needs to be fixed in Kubuntu, pronto
[14:20] <tonymc> it's for GNOME but hey
[14:21] <EvilRoey> yeah we kubuntu users are second-class anyway so..
[14:21] <EvilRoey> Mark Shuttleworth was wrong.  Should've based Ubuntu on KDE, imo.
[14:21] <tonymc> well, that's what you get for going with KDE-flavour of a GNOME-based distro
[14:22] <EvilRoey> tonymc:  I'm not frustrated since I've seen this issue before (I was then, but who cares now)
[14:22] <tonymc> i pretty much see no valid reason for GNOME to even exist, but that's just my opinion
[14:22] <EvilRoey> tonymc:  agreed 100%.
[14:22] <rectec794613> well good for us kde users we wont be going the way of gnome 3 and unity with their stupid dock thing
[14:22] <tonymc> object oriented desktop written with a language that doesn't support object orientation is little too confusing
[14:22] <rectec794613> hopefully
[14:23] <tonymc> plasma is here to stay
[14:23] <tonymc> they started from scratch for a reason
[14:24] <rectec794613> i hate how they combined netbook and desktop versions
[14:24] <EvilRoey> heh
[14:24] <EvilRoey> agreed there, too.
[14:24] <tonymc> we're goign off topic folks
[14:24] <rectec794613> and they say their "making effective use of screen space" when they have the dock sitting on the smallest part of the screen: vertically
[14:25] <rectec794613> oh sorry idk what the topic was so
[14:25] <tonymc> well, the topic is kubuntu support
[14:25] <tonymc> we're bashing GNOME right now
[14:25] <rectec794613> lol
[14:25] <tonymc> that's doing it wrong on an epic scale
[14:25] <rectec794613> yeah we should do that in #ubuntu
[14:25] <rectec794613> im sure theyll like it
[14:26] <BluesKaj> i've been trying to get simultaneous analog and digital outpu from my soundacard so i can listen on my wireless headphones connected to my reciver , for some reason the tape outs won't convert to analog so i connected the line out on the soundcard to the reciever tape inputs. Not having much luck .
[14:27] <rectec794613> wish i could help bud
[14:27] <rectec794613> *gets megaphone* is there anyone who can help?
[14:27] <tonymc> if it was on WIndows, i could
[14:28] <BluesKaj> in windows the soundcard won't pass DD and DTS
[14:28] <rectec794613> you know whats weird? when you get on support chat you start to realize how dumb you actually are with computers
[14:29] <tonymc> i prefer to call it "start to find the limits of your knowledge and experience" :-)
[14:29] <rectec794613> yeah but i like to put things bluntly
[14:30] <rectec794613> hm
[14:30] <tonymc> i'm actually having hard time even comprehending what you're trying to do here
[14:30] <rectec794613> yeah
[14:30] <rectec794613> trying to use ur wireless headphones right?
[14:30] <tonymc> i never did
[14:30] <tonymc> so i don't know what's the "right" way to use them
[14:31] <tonymc> as i said earlier, i only have experience with pro-grade audio interfaces, music recording and all that
[14:31] <ycl> night all
[14:32] <rectec794613> later
[14:32] <tonymc> you guys confused IRC with console
[14:32] <rectec794613> que?
[14:32] <tonymc> just kidding
[14:32] <rectec794613> its spelled "Konsole"
[14:33] <ycl> what
[14:33] <rectec794613> everything is spelled with k's now
[14:33] <tonymc> konsole is KDE terminal emulator, console is a generic term
[14:33] <rectec794613> yep
[14:33] <ycl> any can help me,how to configuration cam to pidgin ?
[14:33] <BluesKaj> tonymc, yeah so do i ...our band records thru a pro mixer , but we still use analog mostly , either to tape or to a usb stick on the fender passport
[14:33] <rectec794613> just got done playing my game Konsole
[14:34] <tonymc> BluesKaj why tape
[14:34] <rectec794613> with a guitar Kontroller
[14:34] <rectec794613> :3
[14:34] <James147> ycl: you might want to as in #ubuntu about pidgin
[14:34] <BluesKaj> probly because we're old and more used to it ...old habits and all that
[14:35] <tonymc> i didn't know pidgin even support webcam
[14:35] <rectec794613> is quassel good?
[14:35] <tonymc> BluesKaj that makes sense... i went all digital from the beginning
[14:35] <rectec794613> for irc?
[14:36] <ycl> oh i'm sorry
[14:36] <James147> rectec794613: working great here :) and I do love the client/server model
[14:36] <rectec794613> using chatzilla right now
[14:36] <tonymc> i prefer koversation
[14:37] <rectec794613> they all look pretty much the same
[14:37] <rectec794613> xchat, chatzilla, quassel
[14:37] <James147> tonymc: ^^ I like having quassel-core running on my server :) konv cant do that so easly :)
[14:37] <rectec794613> and none of those are words
[14:37] <genii-around> The main feature quassel is good for, is that you can have a separate server which is connected to the irc network 24/7, and a separate client which you can use from anywhere and syncs with the server
[14:38] <tonymc> well when i have a server i'll make sure i use quassel
[14:38] <rectec794613> seems a little too complicated
[14:38] <tonymc> but for now i'm good with konversation
[14:38] <rectec794613> for now chatzilla suits my needs
[14:39] <BluesKaj> tonymc, my souncard spdif feeds my audio receiver dac , but there's no analog out at the tape outputs that feed the headphone broadcast device , so i tried using the standard analog line out on the sound card to another analog input on the receiver , but the receiver poll  doesn't see an anlog signal , even if i set it to analog only , which is pita to do .
[14:39] <rectec794613> you know how linux is "secure" because of less virus makers targeting it?
[14:40] <tonymc> linux isn't secure because of less virus target makers
[14:40] <tonymc> BluesKaj now i get it... but can't help you with that unfortunately
[14:40] <rectec794613> linux's popularity is growing and pretty soon we're gonna need antivirus software
[14:40] <James147> rectec794613: no its more secure because its more secure :p
[14:40] <rectec794613> just a thought but i think if we're to start developing av, we should do it now
[14:40] <James147> rectec794613: not likly... just look at apache vs the microsoft http server...
[14:40] <rectec794613> or build on clamav
[14:41] <rectec794613> ok but im talking about normal pcs
[14:41] <BluesKaj> yeah tonymc what's required is a simultabeous analog/diftal output from the soundcard and I don't think phonon can provide that :(
[14:41] <genii-around> The better reason of why linux is more secire is because you can look around inside to see why things work or don't work, makes auditing bad software easier for problems
[14:41] <James147> rectec794613: despite apache being more popular the microsoft server gets more attacks because its just easier
[14:41] <rectec794613> we could end up just like windows if linux gets popular enough
[14:41] <tonymc> BluesKaj bugreport maybe?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> scuse my spelling
[14:41] <James147> rectec794613: same principle applies...
[14:42] <rectec794613> sorry man but besides root access, linux is no more secure than windows
[14:43] <genii-around> Can you look at the source code of Windows to see if it's the OS making certain behaviour or a badly written program instead? I think not
[14:43] <rectec794613> think of how easy it could be. a hacker could bruteforce hack Kwallet, get ur pass. and get root access in a snap
[14:43] <tonymc> the real reason why linux is secure is because a) it's built to be secure AND doesn't suffer from badly configured default settings (like Windows is), b) it's mostly opensource and it's easy to stay up to date because updates are rolled out in a centralized fasion, c) it doesn't yet suffer from "Average Joe" users, which will unfortunately change soon
[14:43] <tonymc> root passwords don't get stored in KWallet
[14:44] <rectec794613> user passwords do
[14:44] <tonymc> GNOME's keyring is PAM-authenticaed, but not in KDE
[14:44] <rectec794613> hacker could do su/sudo
[14:44] <tonymc> no they don't
[14:44] <tonymc> at least i never seen any user password stored in KWallet
[14:44] <tonymc> kwallet is there for other reasons
[14:45] <rectec794613> the only thing keeping us secure is the repo's and low user privs
[14:45] <rectec794613> yeah but thats not what i mean
[14:46] <rectec794613> theres tons of ways to get their pass. keyloggers, the file that stores the password (whereever that is), etc
[14:46] <rectec794613> excuse me for being worried about linux's future
[14:47] <tonymc> the only possibility of "hacking" into KWallet is either bruteforcing (which implies backdoor/physical access to the machine) or trojan (keylogging or just asking user to access KWallet, usually they just press "yes")
[14:47] <rectec794613> we'll see
[14:47] <tonymc> but still, KWallet doesn't give you user passwords, /etc/passwd does (and even then, i heard there's a way to store user passwords in different location)
[14:47] <rectec794613> if we become the majority somehow
[14:48] <tonymc> i prefer us being a noticeable minority
[14:48] <tonymc> something like 5% market share would be enough (like Mac has)
[14:48] <rectec794613> these are just theories of course. im no expert but i have been thinking
[14:48] <rectec794613> idk about that there's no real way to tell
[14:49] <tonymc> anyway, everything is as secure as is its weakest link
[14:49]  * genii-around makes more coffee and lets the offtopic continue a little bit longer
[14:49] <rectec794613> what's our's
[14:49] <rectec794613> can i have some?
[14:49] <tonymc> so far we don't have a weakness because probably 90% Linux users are tech-savvy in one way or another
[14:50] <rectec794613> yeah but that's also why i worry
[14:50] <tonymc> but with the growth of marketshare (and it will grow - i am a Windows convert myself) we will lose that advantage
[14:50] <rectec794613> exactly
[14:51] <tonymc> the only thing we have different from "Windows" is that we have a culture
[14:51] <rectec794613> there's more ways than we think to get into a linux system. as for those ways, theyre for the hackers to find out
[14:51] <rectec794613> :P
[14:51] <rectec794613> oh god i hate that
[14:51] <rectec794613> : P
[14:51] <tonymc> and i mean - when a new user comes to Linux, he instantly faces the consequences of Linux NOT being Windows
[14:51] <rectec794613> yeah it can be a tough transition
[14:52] <tonymc> that means - we have a chance to actually educate the newfound converts
[14:52] <tonymc> which in long term might give us less of those Joe Sixpack users who don't care and don't want to care about security
[14:52] <rectec794613> what got me when i started was how easy it was to screw things up
[14:52] <tonymc> that's what i mean by culture - Linux encourages you to learn right from the start
[14:53] <rectec794613> its fun
[14:53] <rectec794613> what i mean is
[14:53] <tonymc> you learn that there are places in the system you don't want to fsck with, and you learn they're there for a reason
[14:53] <rectec794613> it can be boring simply using ur pc. when u get a problem and work hard to overcome it, it feels good
[14:54] <tonymc> we geeks love that tinkering, but not the average user
[14:54] <rectec794613> when ur succcessful
[14:54] <rectec794613> yeah
[14:54] <rectec794613> they dont know what theyre missing
[14:54] <rectec794613> great learning experience
[14:54] <tonymc> actually, when i got past that tinkering fever and got myself a working system, i don't want to go back to tinkering
[14:54] <rectec794613> me neither
[14:55] <tonymc> i mean i like trying out the new stuff and all that, but lately if things don't have a GUI, i'm very reluctant to even try to understand them
[14:55] <genii-around> Yes, tinkering is fun at first but then quickly becomes tedious work
[14:55] <rectec794613> now it's an "as the problems come, I'll fix them"
[14:55] <tonymc> and i'm glad i did tinker, because whenever my X farks, or my sound system farks, or my whatever farks, i know what to do and know my way around console and disaster recovery
[14:56] <tonymc> but still it's not the skill i use daily now
[14:56] <rectec794613> for the first time in year's i've finally got myself a stable setup
[14:56] <rectec794613> yeah
[14:56] <rectec794613> but like i said
[14:56] <tonymc> actually, upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04 was the first ever upgrade that went smoothly
[14:56] <rectec794613> great learning experience
[14:56] <rectec794613> its getting better
[14:57] <tonymc> i use Kubuntu since 6.06 and every time whenever a new version came up i promised myself that i won't upgrade, that i'll start from scratch
[14:57] <rectec794613> it's like upgrading from 2000 to xp, xp to vista, andd vista to 7
[14:57] <tonymc> but then i thought like maybe *this* time they got it right, and after that i had a few hours of cleaning up the mess
[14:57] <rectec794613> somethings bound to got wrong
[14:58] <tonymc> and upgrade to 11.04 was the first time to not only *not* brake things, but it actually made things better
[14:58] <tonymc> ffs, my laptop soundcard started recognizing when i plugged my headphones in
[14:58] <rectec794613> cool
[14:58] <tonymc> before that i used to use GNOME alsa mixer to mute my speaker
[14:58] <rectec794613> hopefully i can get multitouch eventually
[14:58] <tonymc> now i uninstalled that thing and don't miss it a single bit
[14:59] <tonymc> and now with KDE 4.7 things got even betterer haha
[14:59] <rectec794613> yeah its too bad some gnome things can totally bork a kde system
[14:59] <tonymc> it wasn't GNOME's fault
[15:00] <tonymc> it had something to do with ALSA or PulseAudio or Phonon not recognizing my headphone plug
[15:00] <tonymc> and then there's new stuff coming, things being ported to akonadi, KDE telepathy is shaping up, and this, and that - a lot of excitement
[15:00] <rectec794613> pulseaudio worked when i was on a desktop environment transitioned system, but when i started a fresh kubuntu install, it didnt
[15:00] <rectec794613> same thing with this dock plugin
[15:00] <rectec794613> guess its a library issure
[15:01] <rectec794613> issue*
[15:01] <tonymc> maybe
[15:01] <tonymc> hardware is, well, hardware - we're at the mercy of reverse engineering guys
[15:01] <rectec794613> yeah i wouldnt recommend installing kde, switching to it, then uninstalling gnome
[15:02] <rectec794613> dont really like that transition
[15:02] <tonymc> it's a stupid thing to do
[15:02] <rectec794613> to use ur old gnome apps in kde, you half to download half of the gnome system along with it
[15:02] <rectec794613> have to*
[15:02] <tonymc> it's like changing sex - despite you have all the goodies, you still have the old leftovers
[15:03] <rectec794613> lol
[15:03] <rectec794613> ms. garrison
[15:03] <rectec794613> although i still like that you can do that with ubuntu
[15:03] <tonymc> well technically it should be perfectly possible
[15:03] <rectec794613> switch environments like nobody's business
[15:04] <tonymc> that's how it's supposed to be
[15:04] <tonymc> they all use same underlying system
[15:04] <tonymc> linux + gnu
[15:04] <rectec794613> i know that all these distros are what makes linux unique, but some of them we dont need at all
[15:05] <rectec794613> they all do the same things
[15:05] <tonymc> the way i see it - it's not that we have a lot of distributions - let them be
[15:05] <tonymc> we lack standards
[15:05] <rectec794613> yeah
[15:05] <rectec794613> we do
[15:05] <tonymc> freedesktop.org doing a lot of good work on that front
[15:05] <tonymc> telepathy is a prime example
[15:05] <rectec794613> yeah but thats just another thing unique to linux
[15:05] <tonymc> yeah it's young and rough around the edges
[15:06] <rectec794613> too many standards and we end up like unix
[15:06] <rectec794613> linus would probably kill himself
[15:06] <rectec794613> lol
[15:06] <tonymc> but it's a standard - you can build your own messaging frontends but you can expect the underlying system to behave itself the same way
[15:07] <tonymc> i'd say standards are good
[15:07] <tonymc> at least for some core things
[15:07] <tonymc> standards are actually good for having choice
[15:07] <rectec794613> i hate how a distro becomes so popular and 3/4ths of the people dont even know what it's running on
[15:07] <tonymc> because that way it ensures these "choices" are really choices, because they're compatible
[15:08] <rectec794613> android is a prime example
[15:08] <tonymc> android is good at what it does, but it's not a GNU/Linux
[15:08] <rectec794613> what do you mean?
[15:08] <rectec794613> it runs on the kernel
[15:08] <tonymc> technically, Android is Linux core + Java/Dalvik userspace
[15:09] <Pici> !offtopic
[15:09] <rectec794613> aww
[15:09] <rectec794613> but nobody needs help
[15:09] <tonymc> we pollute the logs
[15:09] <tonymc> let's go to offtopic
[15:09] <Pici> Theres nothing wrong with chatting about the same thing in the offtopic channel :)
[15:18] <user> Hello
[15:18] <genii-around> user: Hello, welcome to the Kubuntu support channel.
[15:21] <beligum> leave
[15:26] <rectec794613> umad?
[15:26] <anginsan> hi ;)
[15:50] <rectec794613> why if i try to install and use a plasma theme, it doesnt show up in the list?
[15:50] <rectec794613> waaaaaah i hate the default ones
[15:50] <James147> rectec794613: how are you installing them? and "using" them if they are not in the list?
[15:51] <rectec794613> por favor, necisito ayudar
[15:51] <rectec794613> no
[15:51] <rectec794613> i mean when i try to
[15:51] <rectec794613> one day when i booted up into kde, my theme didnt show
[15:51] <rectec794613> oxygen did
[15:52] <rectec794613> cmon
[15:52] <rectec794613> i'll explain further i promise
[15:53] <rectec794613> just ask
[15:53] <schijnndraeff> I'm using the 'search and launch' view, but nothing is showing up under 'contacts' or 'bookmarks'. Does anyone have any idea why?
[15:53] <rectec794613> are u using the default apps?
[15:53] <rectec794613> rekonq and kmail?
[15:54] <James147> rectec794613: have you tried reinstalling the theme?
[15:54] <rectec794613> yeah
[15:54] <rectec794613> its installed but it wont show
[15:54] <James147> rectec794613: have you tried other themes?
[15:54] <rectec794613> yes
[15:54] <rectec794613> it's weird
[15:55] <James147> rectec794613: and do they show?
[15:55] <rectec794613> i think now they are
[15:56] <rectec794613> just not h2o
[15:56] <rectec794613> hmm
[15:56] <rectec794613> it worked before
[15:56] <rectec794613> believe me i did try others
[15:56] <rectec794613> they didnt work
[15:56] <rectec794613> they did the same thing h2o did
[15:57] <rectec794613> yeah
[15:58] <rectec794613> still have a problem
[15:58] <rectec794613> the theme that i just tested wont uninstall
[15:58] <rectec794613> the theme that i want wont install
[16:00] <James147> rectec794613: try deleting them manually: ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme
[16:00] <BluesKaj> yup, lotsa themes won't install , and some that do , create freezes
[16:01] <rectec794613> sweet that worked thanks
[16:02] <rectec794613> ok we can go back to offtopic
[16:03] <rectec794613> or i will atleast
[16:03] <rectec794613> thanks again james
[16:07] <ashwin> how can i change font color in lancelot?
[16:14] <salvatore> ciao
[16:15] <salvatore> !list
[16:15] <user> Ildconfig deferred processing now taking place it's normal?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> !client
[16:20] <BluesKaj> !irc
[16:29] <BluesKaj> !coffee
[16:30]  * Peace- gives a cup of coffee to BluesKaj
[16:31] <BluesKaj> heh Peace- . i was tsting the bot's factoid
[16:33] <Peace-> xD
[16:38] <schijnndraeff> Does anyone know why 'bookmarks' and 'contacts' aren't showing anything under the 'search and launch' view?  I'm using all default KDE apps.
[16:42] <Peace-> schijnndraeff: i will check
[16:44] <Peace-> schijnndraeff:  screenshot ?
[16:45] <j76j76j> hola
[16:45] <j76j76j> #españa
[16:45] <schijnndraeff> Um, it would just be a screenshot of a blank desktop...
[16:46] <Peace-> schijnndraeff: this is the mine http://wstaw.org/m/2011/08/04/snapshot1_.png
[16:46] <JulienM> Hi everybody !
[16:47] <JulienM> I have a problem with my hibernate mode in KMenu for just one user session...
[16:48] <JulienM> I don't know where the problem come from, I had remove my .kde4 folder and restarted my session => no problem
[16:49] <schijnndraeff> Peace- - Yeah, I just get a blank desktop when I click on 'contacts' or 'bookmarks'.
[16:49] <JulienM> so I did difference between my old .kde4 and my new folder => nothing found !
[16:49] <JulienM> ...
[16:50] <JulienM> Do you know where a configuration is setting in .kde4 to launch the hibernate mode ?
[16:50] <James147> JulienM: um, kubuntu uses ~/.kde not ~/.kde4
[16:50] <JulienM> James147: It's true, sorry !
[16:51] <Peace-> schijnndraeff: could you try with a new user?
[17:00] <JulienM> No idea ?
[17:00] <JulienM> It's a specific interrogation... I know ;-)
[17:02] <szal> huh?  is 4.7.0 not in natty-backports?  I get no updates on dist-upgrade on my 32bit installation
[17:02] <James147> szal: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.7
[17:02] <James147> szal: have you run "sudo apt-get update"?
[17:04] <dave__> hi im having an issue with kubuntu 11.04 sound. I previously had sound for firefox coming through speakers and sound for skype amarok through usb headset in an efort to make the mic working i seem to have disabled sound in firefox and the mic still doesnt work. would anyone be kind enough to assist?
[17:06] <szal> James147: thx
[17:11] <davemac> hi im having an issue with kubuntu 11.04 sound. I previously had sound for firefox coming through speakers and sound for skype amarok through usb headset in an efort to make the mic working i seem to have disabled sound in firefox and the mic still doesnt work. would anyone be kind enough to assist?
[17:13] <schijnndraeff> Peace- - Sorry that took so long.  It does the same thing with a new user.
[17:16] <rectec794613> JulienM: lol i think i saw u in fr a second ago
[17:16] <rectec794613> bonjour
[17:17] <rectec794613> i cant believe i had to use a translator for that
[17:17] <davemac> can someone tell me if am i voiced in this channel?
[17:17] <Pici> davemac: you aren't, but we can see you.
[17:18] <rectec794613> davemac: what does that mean?
[17:18] <davemac> heh pici im confused :) how did you read what i said then?
[17:18] <rectec794613> oh yeah i think i know now
[17:18] <davemac> rectec794613:  i wasnt sure if people were able to see what i typed thats all
[17:18] <rectec794613> yeah i had a hunch
[17:18] <Pici> davemac: You don't need to be voiced here to talk.
[17:19] <davemac> ok thanks pici
[17:20] <rectec794613> szal: have we met?
[17:20] <rectec794613> ur name looks familiar
[17:22]  * rectec794613 thinks they should make an ai bot
[17:22] <rectec794613> and put it in here
[17:22] <rectec794613> so us lonely people can talk
[17:22] <JulienM> rectec794613: ;-)
[17:27] <rectec794613> welp
[17:27] <rectec794613> whats new
[17:29] <rectec794613> thats cool
[17:29] <rectec794613> !coffee
[17:29] <rectec794613> !irc
[17:29] <rectec794613> !botabuse
[17:29] <rectec794613> !gtfo
[17:30] <rectec794613> !anything_at_all
[17:30] <oCean> rectec794613: please use /msg ubottu !bot
[17:30] <rectec794613> *goes to pm*
[17:30] <rectec794613> yeah im just bored
[17:30] <rectec794613> im going to offtopic
[17:37] <paul___> Could anyone tell me where the settings files are for Kubuntu's sound settings for both alsa and pulse?  My sound card suddenly stopped working.
[17:38] <James147> paul___: ~/.pulse
[17:39] <paul___> Yeah.
[17:39] <paul___> My sound is still getting to pulse because the level meter in pulse volume controle is moving.
[17:40] <paul___> Everytime I have had an issue with sound it was with pulse.
[17:41] <paul___> I just want to reset my sound settings to what it was on install. Everything worked fine then.
[17:43] <paul___> But, I am starting to feel that that is going to be a bigger PITA than just deleting some configs and getting the system to re-detect.
[17:44] <Daskreech> paul___: rename the directory then
[17:45] <paul___> I just caught that he meant /home/user/.pulse and not :~/
[17:46] <James147> paul___: :p yeah ~ mean $HOME
[17:47] <paul___> Sorry just woke up.
[17:54] <paul___> That's what I was afraid of, moving/removing/renaming the .pulse folder does nothing to help though I do now see most of my cards outputs.
[17:54] <szal> on my 32bit machine, after upgrading to KDE 4.7.0 and restarting, the screen stays black after login, only the mouse pointer is visible and movable, but other than that there's no desktop elements..  last message in Xorg.0.log and kdm.log: "warning: Xalloc: requesting unpleasantly large amount of memory: 0 bytes" (!)
[17:55] <szal> (can't troubleshoot that now; have to reboot that machine to start Windows..  just wanted to say before I forget)
[18:03] <jmichaelx> since upgrading to kde 4.7 in kubuntu 11.04, icons frequently remain in the task manager after the corresponding windows are closed. this is on 2 different machines, one with an intel GPU w/FOSS drivers, the other with an nvidia ion2 GPU and prop. drivers. is this a known issue? is there a workaround?
[18:04] <Daskreech> paul___: ~ = $HOME = /home/username
[18:04] <Daskreech> szal: did kdebase-workspace update ?
[18:05] <szal> Daskreech: can't check now, I'll look later
[18:05] <paul___> Daskreech thanks
[18:06] <Daskreech> paul___: it's a handy shortcut since ~ will turn into the home directory of whichever user runs it. You don't need to know the specifics of the computer or person
[18:09] <GirlyGirl> Daskreech: what's the shortcut again?
[18:09] <Daskreech> GirlyGirl: For?
[18:09] <GirlyGirl> Daskreech: t's a handy shortcut since ~ will turn into the home directory of whichever user runs it. You don't need to know the specifics of the computer or person
[18:09] <paul___> Yeah, Been using linux as my main OS for about 5 years just the last I had an audio problem was when Ubuntu started using pulse.
[18:10] <Daskreech> GirlyGirl: ~
[18:10] <GirlyGirl> Daskreech: oh that
[18:10] <Daskreech> GirlyGirl: Si :)
[18:11] <GirlyGirl> Silly me
[18:13] <paul___> Pulse has no server running. could that be the problem?
[18:14] <paul___> And the ~/.pulse folder just re-spawns.
[18:15] <Daskreech> Poof!
[18:15] <paul___>  Aye, poof.
[18:22] <paul___> I am going to restart. I will most likely be back :)
[18:22] <Daskreech> ok
[18:27] <paul___> Hmmm,
[18:29] <paul___> Syslog output: 08/04/11 01:04:08 PM	Alpha-Linux	pulseaudio[15848]	main.c: Module load failed.
[18:29] <paul___> 08/04/11 01:04:08 PM	Alpha-Linux	pulseaudio[15848]	main.c: Failed to initialize daemon.
[18:29] <paul___> 08/04/11 01:04:08 PM	Alpha-Linux	pulseaudio[15713]	main.c: Daemon startup failed.
[18:29] <paul___> 08/04/11 01:04:08 PM	Alpha-Linux	pulseaudio[16028]	socket-server.c: bind(): Address already in use
[18:29] <paul___> 08/04/11 01:04:08 PM	Alpha-Linux	pulseaudio[16028]	module.c: Failed to load  module "module-esound-protocol-unix" (argument: ""): initialization failed.
[18:29] <FloodBotK1> paul___: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:29] <paul___> Oops.
[18:31] <raevin> does anyone know of a way to convert a difference in epoch time to string output?  i.e.: converting (1306464641 - 1312482682) into like "1 month, 7 days ago"?
[18:32] <raevin> in shell
[18:32] <raevin> I got the epoch times needed, but cna't find a way to convert the difference to a human-readable format
[18:37] <jmichaelx> what has been done in 4.7 with the calendar that appears when you click on the time/date in the panel is atrocious
[18:40] <genii-around> raevin: I think something like: date -d @1306464641 will put it in human readable form
[18:40]  * cher is surprised: acl is not installed as part of the basic setup.
[18:40] <paul___> jmichaelx : If you have apointments set up in Kontact it will show them there.
[18:40] <raevin> genii-around: if it's in epoch format yeah, but i'm talking about turning the difference between two epoch values (for example, using 6018041), and turning it into something like "1 month, 7 days"
[18:41] <genii-around> Aaaaah OK
[18:42] <raevin> genii-around: i don't even know if it's possible w/o using perl or php, lol...i cna't find anything for doing this
[18:45] <genii-around> raevin: It's all the number of seconds, so you could just manually do like divide by 86400 for number of days
[18:46] <raevin> true...just take a lot of while blocks lol
[18:46] <raevin> genii-around: thanks :D
[18:46] <paul___> This is so frustrating.
[18:47] <raevin> while i'm here, anyone have any sources of setting up a tor relay server?  i can get mine to talk to the tor servers themselves, but i can't seem to connect to mine
[18:51] <demxack> helloy
[19:10] <skramer_> how could I change the order of activities, KDE 4.7?
[19:22] <linux-beginner-h> how can I downgrade kmail2? how is the apt command?
[19:23] <genii-around> !downgrade
[19:23] <genii-around> Hm
[19:23] <antihero> Why would my soundcard be greyed out under Sound and Video Configuration?
[19:24] <antihero> like
[19:24] <skramer_> linux-beginner-h: if it is installed from a ppa, you could try ppa-purge
[19:24] <antihero> it's as if my soundcard doesn't exist, but it shows up in lspci
[19:24] <linux-beginner-h> skramer_: yes... it's from experimental ppa
[19:25] <skramer_> linux-beginner-h: it should remove the ppa from your sources.list  & revert everything installed from that ppa to the version which are shipped with Kubuntu
[19:25] <linux-beginner-h> skramer_: ok thanks
[19:26] <antihero> Also /usr/bin/pulseaudio is at 100% CPU
[19:26] <linux-beginner-h> skramer_: kmail2 is unusable... after 3 days of testing I give up...
[19:26] <antihero> Now it isn't, but still no sound
[19:26] <skramer_> linux-beginner-h: I did not test yet, but as the ppa name says: experimental...
[19:27] <linux-beginner-h> skramer_: well... it is called stable for 4.7 :-)
[19:27] <linux-beginner-h> skramer_: but it's ok... I don't want to complain...
[19:28] <skramer_> linux-beginner-h: ;-)
[19:29] <linux-beginner-h> skramer_: thanks... it seems to work well... downloading packages...
[19:30] <skramer_> linux-beginner-h: ok... but may I ask what's the problem with Kmail2?
[19:31] <linux-beginner-h> skramer_: well.... you are asking the wrong question :-) You should ask... is there something that works... ?
[19:32] <linux-beginner-h> skramer_: the migration fails...
[19:32] <paul___> I got it to work. I purged everything pulseaudio that didn't want to remove KDE then rebooted then did sudo apt-get install pulseaudio.
[19:32] <linux-beginner-h> skramer_: there are also memory leaks... high cpu usage... and the indexer is scanning and scanning and scanning...
[19:33] <paul___> Thanks for your help.
[19:33] <paul___> I was ready to toss the compo out the window.
[19:33] <skramer_> linux-beginner-h: hmm... good to know, I just considered testing, but I'll better keep staying with the old version
[19:34] <shane2peru> howdy my helpfull Kubuntu Kommunity, quick question, what do I install so I  can print to a PDF file??  I know I have installed it before, but can't remember the name of it.
[19:35] <linux-beginner-h> skramer_: I was unable to work with this software because everytime I click and something... (e.g. mail folder) it takes a long time... and than the crashs...
[19:35] <shane2peru> or maybe that should be Kubuntu Kummunity. :)
[19:35] <linux-beginner-h> skramer_: I also tried to start from scratch... new configuration, new database... new akonadi resources... no way...
[19:36] <genii-around> Does *everything* KDE related have to start with a cutesy "K"?
[19:36] <shane2peru> lol. :) I think it's kind of kool. ;)
[19:38] <genii-around> !info cups-pdf | shane2peru
[19:39] <skramer_> linux-beginner-h: hope that things could get sorted soon ,I would like to switch to kmail2 :-)
[19:39] <shane2peru> genii-around: cups-pdf!  Thanks!!!  I only dug up ghostscript or something in the repos, I'm sure that is in there, just didn't pop out at me on the search
[19:40] <shane2peru> arrgh, I take that back, it was right there in my search, I'm brain dead.  Thanks
[19:42] <genii-around> shane2peru: Yer welcome
[19:45] <linux-beginner-h> skramer_: oh... my system is working again and my cpu is idle... ;-)
[19:49] <antihero> anyone there/
[19:53] <tonymc> anyone knows how to add KDE widgets to qt4 designer? it seemed to work before i reinstalled my system but now i can't find them
[20:06] <psycho> can someone help me with this http://fpaste.org/zurO/
[20:06] <psycho> i m getting 6747 as output
[20:29] <ZandreBran> Hi kubuntu; please, how to kopete voice call to gtalk? sorry my english, brazilian guy :)
[20:38] <Daskreech> ZandreBran: I'm not sure that's there
[20:38] <Daskreech> ZandreBran: Gtalk will be done (most likely) thorough Telepathy
[20:39] <ZandreBran> ok, thanks Daskreech; i'm test this. but Telepathy is kde applications?
[20:40] <Daskreech> ZandreBran: Telepathy is a backend that is shared amongst all the various communication channels regardless of DE
[20:40] <Daskreech> KDE will use it though
[20:41] <ZandreBran> opps, Daskreech; google it; thanks. I now have a way :)
[21:05] <tertitten> Hi, i've been trying to find a dl link for 11.10 alpha3, found some news items about it, but no link for download, anyone know where I can dl it ?
[21:06] <cmagina> tertitten: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/11.10/alpha-3/
[21:10] <tertitten> cmagina, thanks allot m8
[21:20] <lcb> anyone knows how is the upgrade for 11.10 at this stage? smooth, troubled, bricking?
[21:20] <lcb> i've been away from these matters, lately
[21:23] <OerHeks> lcb ubuntu 11.10 is in alfa stage, so it could be bricky, support in #Ubuntu+1
[21:24] <lcb> OerHeks: too many probs? i followed all evolution to 11.04 but not on this one.
[21:24] <OerHeks> i can't tell.
[21:24] <lcb> ok. good enough. thanks
[21:25] <OerHeks> lcb i just finished upgrade to KDE 4.7 wich is working fine
[21:26] <lcb> on 11.04 the main issue was (still is ... ;) unity. i wonder how this one's going
[21:26] <lcb> OerHeks: virtual machine or working one (production or alike)
[21:26] <lcb> ?
[21:28] <lcb> i'm having some issues on this one, regarding virtual desks and menus. the main intention in moving to the updated one is the hope of that being solved
[21:28] <OerHeks> on a productionmachine.
[21:28] <lcb> getting tired of seeing virtual desktops being messed or vanishing
[21:29] <lcb> OerHeks: so that's a good sign
[21:30] <lcb> thanks OerHeks
[21:30] <OerHeks> yw
[21:32] <lcb> * Known Issues: Keyboard & mouse not working in X? See http://pad.lv/807306"* not bad
[21:33] <lcb> worst would be writing backwards
[21:35] <Daskreech> lcb: #ubuntu+1 would be the best place to be
[21:35] <lcb> i'm in there, tks Daskreech
[21:36] <Daskreech> :)
[21:36] <Daskreech> ok
[21:36] <lcb> well, just got there
[21:36] <lcb> trying to find any *new* special way of doing the upgrade
[21:37] <Daskreech> same way as always
[21:37] <Daskreech> just new things to break
[21:37] <lcb> lol
[21:38] <lcb> i were thinking in writing something like"i want to brick my production system. can i go ahead and upgrade to daily?" the the #chan is too quiet, maybe i'll break something in there
[21:39] <lcb> so i decided not to
[21:40] <OerHeks> for production machines i would do 2 tests, 1 upgrade and 1 fresh install.
[21:41] <lcb> OerHeks: yes
[21:42] <Daskreech> lcb: install kernel 3.0.1
[21:42] <lcb> 1st. ok
[21:47] <Daskreech> lcb: that's if you wnat to brick your system :)
[21:48] <lcb> Daskreech: too late, damn.
[21:48] <lcb> i smell some smoke already
[22:04] <kat_624> hi to all
[22:07] <szal> [20:04:54] <Daskreech> szal: did kdebase-workspace update ? <- the PPA has 4.6.5 for -bin and -data, and that's what it installed, plus a transitional package kdebase-workspace versioned 4.7.0
[22:08] <Daskreech> hi Kaa27
[22:08] <Daskreech> Grr
[22:08] <Daskreech> szal: Alright that's a possible break point
[22:09] <szal> Daskreech: the screen turns black in the middle of the KDE startup splash screen, leaving only the mouse pointer
[22:09] <Daskreech> szal: what processes are running?
[22:11] <szal> Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/658907/
[22:11] <Daskreech> szal: nothing in ~/.xsession-errors  ?
[22:13] <szal> Daskreech: http://paste.ubuntu.com/658908/
[22:20] <szal> no relevant forum post yet; perhaps isolated here
[22:28] <tonymc> is it possible to programmatically extract entries from NetworkManager?
[22:28] <OerHeks> szal, i tried to understand the blackout, and found this solution, but it is ARCH with KDE, still the exact cause´ KDE desktop did actually load, but it was the screen that stopped updating when the composition effect kicked in ´ is in answer #8 and #11 is also helpfull >> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=118775
[22:29] <tonymc> i mean, does it have an API of some sort
[22:29] <bobweaver> Hi there question about making movies what are the best programs for editing and also for recording your desktop ? thanks
[22:30] <tonymc> there are several, kdenlive being the best KDE one, can't recall the GNOME one...
[22:30] <OerHeks> bobweaver, VLC could record your desktop
[22:30] <tonymc> KDEnlive is kinda hard to get into tbh
[22:30] <tonymc> at least i got really confused with it
[22:30] <bobweaver> OerHeks: thanks
[22:31] <bobweaver> what about editing
[22:31] <tonymc> kdenlive
[22:31] <tonymc> bobweaver try KDEnlive
[22:31] <bobweaver> sudo apt-get install kdenlive ??
[22:31] <OerHeks> yes, you should KDEnlive give a try
[22:31] <bobweaver> or add repos
[22:31] <tonymc> there's also OpenShot for GNOME
[22:32] <bobweaver> or google
[22:32] <bobweaver> sorry
[22:32] <tonymc> there's kdenlive PPA somewhere
[22:32] <tonymc> add it to apt
[22:32] <bobweaver> thanks guys
[22:32] <tonymc> http://www.kdenlive.org/user-manual/downloading-and-installing-kdenlive/pre-compiled-packages/ubuntu-packages
[22:33] <bobweaver> I am also having troubles with my vga card little black specks on it
[22:33] <OerHeks> it in the software centre, also
[22:33] <tonymc> i think in repo it's outdated, better off using PPA
[22:34] <bobweaver> the card is a VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200M G] [10de:0845] (rev a2)
[22:34] <bobweaver> installed driver looks nice but the little black specks here and there look bad
[22:35] <bobweaver> low graffix almost look better then driver
[22:36] <szal> OerHeks: thx, it's the compositing indeed
[22:36] <OerHeks> szal oke !
[22:42] <tonymc> bobweaver you might also want to try PiTiVi, that's another GNOME editor
[22:43] <szal> OerHeks: the only thing that looks related I can find is this -> http://commit-digest.org/issues/2011-02-06/ <- see the last box above "KDE-PIM"
[22:45] <Falsechicken> Hello. Can anyone give me a hand with this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11119294#post11119294
[22:47] <bobweaver> thanks
[22:54] <Kaa27> hi Daskreech
[22:54] <Daskreech> Hi Kaa27
[23:06] <szal> Daskreech: if you read my exchange w/ OerHeks, signs indicate that the cause to the screen blackening is a shader bug in the nVidia gfx driver, and as I use the 173 (legacy) on my other machine, I guess it's unlikely that it'll be fixed because it's not a security issue..  I just hope that I won't have any such problem on this machine when I decide to upgrade (running the nVidia 280 driver here)
[23:06] <Daskreech> szal: Did you do an update just before this?
[23:07] <szal> Daskreech: of course, 'aptitude upgrade' doesn't selectively pull in packages ;)
[23:10] <Daskreech> szal: :)
[23:12] <raevin> anyone know if there's any penalties/issues with using a client to connect to a server, both on the same machine? (basically client connecting to localhost)...if that'd cause packets to be sent faster than they can be received in non-blocking scenarios?
[23:20] <Daskreech> raevin: What?
[23:21] <raevin> Daskreech: well, basically i'm writing a server/client program in C, and for some reason my send/recv code isn't flowing correctly (sends are being made faster than recvs are it looks like), and wondering if the issue is because i'm running the server & client on the same machine
[23:21] <Daskreech> bad server code?
[23:22] <raevin> Daskreech: thing is i don't see how, i've looked @ all the examples on the internet i could find and its all the same as mine really
[23:22] <Daskreech> bad client code? :)
[23:23] <raevin> Daskreech: same as server, lol...only thing different is i got an extra else{} block in it
[23:23] <Daskreech> I don't know that the client and server on the same computer would be an issue. They would respond much faster than in anyother circumstance so it should work better
[23:23] <Daskreech> It's a p2p ?
[23:24] <raevin> Daskreech: that's what i thought, and not really, server just acts as a relay basically (gathers information spits some back every so often)
[23:24] <Daskreech> Does it use UDP?
[23:25] <raevin> nah, tcp
[23:32] <Daskreech> doesn't wait for a response of state?
[23:34] <raevin> Daskreech: pretty much...this is asynch as well for what its worth.
[23:35] <raevin> Daskreech: right now i have it set up where server sends some data, client receives, send some back, server gets it then sends some, and then terminates the connection....if i'm lucky the first send/recv works
[23:36] <Daskreech> then it crraps out?
[23:36] <raevin> yeaup
[23:36] <raevin> well, hold on, might've found an issue
[23:38] <raevin> pffffft, nvm *sigh*
[23:39] <raevin> know of any good c++ networking librarries?  (not boost...i hate that)...not having any luck finding anything but people saying "use boost!"
[23:47] <raevin> well, now i got a different problem...fts
[23:49] <Daskreech> sdl ?
[23:50] <raevin> i'm about to use that...was trying to refrain from using it since this is a cli-only app and such, but...meh
[23:51] <Daskreech> oh yea
[23:51] <raevin> f' it...SDL it is...
[23:51] <raevin> been having this issue (w/ about 5 rewrites now) for the past month or so
[23:51] <raevin> beyond fed up with it, lol...thanks tho Daskreech
[23:58] <jmichaelx> question.. so i renamed .kde to .kde-old, and generated a new .kde for toubleshooting purposes. i then rm -rf'd .kde, and renamed .kde-old to .kde... and all of my settings were gone. not at all what i expected. what would the reason be for this?