[04:29] * RAOF heads off to the physio. [05:07] jasoncwarner_, when do you leave for desktop summit? [05:19] good morning [05:20] didrocks: Good morning, I just sent you an email about what the problem was [05:26] hey bschaefer! didn't receive it yet [05:26] where did you send it to?? [05:26] ah gmail :) [05:26] to your gmail account i think [05:26] yeah to many to choose from on launchpad haha [05:27] heh ;) [05:27] bschaefer: so ok, I'm not sure about it's generated from this .lemony to .cc [05:27] (again another preprocessor…) [05:28] so in the trunk version it compiles the lemon.c then uses that to generate the queryparser_internal.cc [05:28] bschaefer: a patch patching everything needed without any regeneration (as the tarball which generates everything) would be nice! [05:28] bschaefer: patch for our package should be in the -p1 format btw [05:29] for applying the patch or making it with diff? [05:30] (new to making patchs) but I thought mine was in the -p1 for applying the patch since you would go into xapian and type: [05:30] bschaefer: the patch (which is in debian/patches) for you cjk patch in ubuntu/oneiric branch should be in -p1 format, (does it make sense?) [05:30] patch -p1 < ../cjk.patch [05:31] didrocks: yeah that makes sense ill make sure to do that for the new one [05:34] bschaefer: thanks a lot! :-) [05:34] kenvandine: I believe he flew out this morning. [05:34] bschaefer: so do not hesitate to ping me once you have the one patching the generated files as well [05:34] didrocks: will do [05:35] bschaefer: interesting for this .lemony files, I'll add that to my doc of "ok, I patch this file, but take care to generate those" [05:35] bschaefer: idealy, the build system will pick it and regenerate the needed file, but oh well :-) [05:35] TheMuso, ah... i figured it was soon :) [05:36] didrocks: yeah that is what it should do, and why I built it like that [05:37] didrocks: I had it in the queryparser_internal.cc to start out with but if you look at my branch there is no queryparser_internal.cc like in oneiric [05:38] didrocks: (if you want to look) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/xapian/cjk-support-patch/files/head:/xapian-core/queryparser/ [05:39] bschaefer: indeed, however, I prefer not remove what's in the tarball already. The preferred way is to patch both file (the "master" one and the generated one) [05:40] didrocks: yes! Sounds good, I should have looked at the one in oneiric to base my patch off, but it shouldn't be much work [05:41] bschaefer: no worry, thanks for looking at it! :) [05:43] didrocks: no problem, was a lot more worried when you said the testing failed haha [05:44] bschaefer: so did I! ;) [05:44] was* [05:44] didrocks: but I should have it to you by tomorrow, I need head off for the night, but will finish as soon as i can [05:45] bschaefer: sounds excellent, thanks! :) [05:45] didrocks: Yep, have a good day :) [05:46] bschaefer: have a good night :) [06:27] didrocks: Good morning! [06:29] hey RAOF, how are you? [06:30] I'm pretty good. My back's feeling even better after a little physio. [06:30] RAOF: nice to hear. Try to get some quiet time on week-end to not hurt your back too much! [06:31] And some boxing on Saturday morning! [06:32] Oh, and I've thought of a reason why wayland-scanner would want to be shipped in libwayland-dev: compositors are expected to extend the protocol and will probably want to do so via the same XML specification mechanism. [06:32] heh, you should try some wreslting, a bad move can maybe fix you! [06:32] RAOF: oh, that makes totally sense then ;) [06:33] wrestling* [06:35] I'll see about addressing those MIR concerns now, pull a new upstream snapshot with some copyright fixes, and multiarch the sucker. I'd like to ensure that all the mesa libs and their transitive dependencies are installable on i386 ;) [06:39] RAOF: excellent, do you think that can be done for your tomorrow? I'm travelling for desktop summit but will surely be online for few hours before [06:39] RAOF: not sure how urgent this is ;) [06:39] RAOF: as long as you comment on the MIR bug, I can process that during the week-end with the promotion as well [06:40] Ok. I'd like wayland to be ready once we're unfrozen from A3, so I can upload mesa 7.11 without futzing around. [06:40] Other than that, it's not particularly urgent. === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [06:47] RAOF: ok, keep me updated please :) [06:49] tkamppeter: Good day! colord's now in Debian new, and should shortly be syncable. Alternatively, I could just upload it directly. [06:54] RAOF, so colord arrived in time. Great. Thank you. [06:55] RAOF, only problem is that there is near no time left to rebuild all dependent packages, to MIR all the CM stuff in Universe, ... What needs to be done before FF and what can be done after? [06:58] tkamppeter: How many rdepends will there be for colord? cups, gnome-color-manager, … ? [06:59] I guess that strictly speaking, everything should be done before FF, although the uploads could be done before the MIR and just block on it. [07:00] It shouldn't be too hard to get a FFe for the colour stuff. [07:02] didrocks, hi [07:02] hey tkamppeter [07:02] RAOF, so I will try ... [07:03] RAOF: not gnome-color-manager, colord can be in maybe, but it would need a MIR report, which isn't the case [07:03] didrocks, it seema that we will succeed with color management in Oneiric in the last minute. Can you process the MIR in bug 788145? Thanks. [07:03] Launchpad bug 788145 in gnome-color-manager "[MIR] gnome-color-manager" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788145 [07:03] tkamppeter: not sure about gnome-color-manger, isn't that deprecated for GNOME3 and in g-c-c? [07:03] tkamppeter: and colord needs a separate MIR [07:04] and I'm not found of adding 2MB on an already oversized CD [07:04] good morning [07:04] didrocks, did not now that gnome-color-manager is deprecated. If so, its successor must be taken care of to get in. [07:04] apart if you find the room for it :) [07:04] hey chrisccoulson [07:04] hi didrocks [07:04] tkamppeter: as you are looking at this, can you please ensure that? [07:05] tkamppeter: and I think, there is no room for g-c-m anyway, but colord can maybe be in if we have a MIR for it [07:06] tkamppeter: I thought gnome-color-manager now depended on colord? How has it been building without colord? [07:06] g-c-m is still depending on gconf as well [07:07] and have some recommends in universe [07:07] RAOF, I did not know that gnome-color-manager needs colord. It seems not, as Debian/Ubuntu had g-c-m but never colord. [07:07] didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/messagingmenu-extension/support-for-inbox-only/+merge/70388 ;) [07:07] 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 [07:07] -> I guess it's definitively not GNOME 3 and in g-c-c now :) [07:08] * didrocks would like some research to be done before spending time on MIRs ;) [07:08] chrisccoulson: \o/ you rock! thanks ;) [07:23] chrisccoulson: btw, no startup cache issue for now :) [07:23] didrocks, that's good. hopefully it's fixed now :) [07:24] well, "fixed". the fix is actually to work around a bug in the JS engine ;) [07:24] argh ;) [07:24] well, as long as it works! [07:26] RAOF: You should be able to get FFe you need, but otherwise you could upload with an Ubuntu upstream version 0.1.11~bz2-0ubuntu1 and then sync when LP catches up [07:26] otherwise/if you want to get it in earlier [07:27] Laney: I'm still under the impression that Launchpad will handle .orig.tar.xz fine. In fact, I might just upload colord to check this! [07:27] lifeless could be misinformed I suppose, check with wgrant if you like — he knows all :-) [07:27] or try a PPA [07:28] Well, wgrant filed and marked as fixed the “support .orig.tar.xz” bug, so… [07:28] as far as I read the comments, that means the code has landed but it still needs testingn to be deployed [07:28] not that I know how they work [07:30] It looks like it got tagged qa-ok, and then marked as fix released. [07:34] Yeah. The question is 'is that the same as "in production"?' [07:37] * Laney is uploading to a PPA [07:41] Too slow, already done it. [07:42] you beaut [07:43] Hah. Except that I suck, because PPAs don't build for “unstable”, surprisingly enough. [07:44] RAOF: accepted! [07:44] hmm, I may be thinking of cjwatsons other patch :( [07:45] Some launchpad technical architect *you* turn out to be :P [07:45] Doesn't even know every edge case that gets fixed! [07:45] :) [07:46] there's .data.tar.xz which is something a bit different :-) [07:46] Oh, right. Subtly different to lzma, which mesa's used forever.\ [07:47] yus [08:03] RAOF: I think you're confusing me with someone that cares :P [08:05] hey seb128! it appears that gnome-settings-daemon crashes during the upgrade from natty->oneiric. at least that is what the auto-upgrade-tester says :) is that a known issue? [08:05] hey mvo, hard to say without seeing a stacktrace [08:06] mvo, but I wouldn't be surprised if lot of things were going weird with the gconf to gsettings upgrades under their feet [08:06] mvo, like the gconf key and schemas they use are cleaned but the running instance still use gconf [08:07] seb128: ok, I will see that I can get it uploaded to LP so that the retracer can run [08:07] mvo, thanks [08:08] seb128: its a bit difficult as this was happening on a different machine and my workstations nvidia card died today. so may take until tomorrow, I was mostly wondering if its known or not [08:08] (actually the nvidia card maybe fine and its just compiz/nouveau thats gone insane ;) [08:08] mvo, well, we get a collection of segfault so it might be one we already received [08:08] mvo, but from the description I can't say it's known [08:08] like the upgrade is not know to break g-s-d [08:14] mvo: try to put it in the oven! :-) [08:15] didrocks: right, I read about that, do you still have the link? [08:15] its dead anyway, I could as well try that [08:16] mvo: it was a video on youtube for my specific hardware (to show how to remove it from my laptop) not sure it will apply to you [08:17] last time I tried, I put it in the oven at 200°C, for 20 minutes (without pre-heating) and opening the door at then to cool it and not have some thermal shock [08:17] you just have to think about removing the thermal paste [08:19] ok [08:20] ah, DIY reflow :) [08:35] mvo, btw is that a design decision that update-manager stopped showing download and upgrade time estimation [08:52] ok, thunderbird is weird [08:52] it didn't know about ubuntu.com but got all the canonical.com server settings right it seems [08:52] that's nice [08:53] but now it lists only half my boxes [08:53] it seems to be still downloading though but it doesn't make it obvious it does [08:53] it's a bit weird, evolution get at list the boxes listed from start [08:53] then it fills the content and counts, etc [08:54] seems like tb does it the other way [08:59] hey seb128, how are you? [08:59] hey chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks [08:59] chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:59] seb128, tired ;) [08:59] trying to get tb to work [08:59] my daughter didn't sleep too well again last night [08:59] did you work all night again? or did you daugher refused to sleep? or both? [08:59] :-( [09:00] i did some work last night too ;) [09:00] i implemented inbox-only mode in the message menu for kenvandine and didrocks ;) [09:01] nice [09:01] didrocks, how is the unitydialog thing called in ccsm? [09:01] I need to turn it off, it breaks the thunderbird multiple identity dialog [09:01] seb128: unitydialogs, but it shouldn't be starting with latest unity [09:02] like you only have part of the dialog and no way to access the buttons [09:02] seb128: the xml file isn't shipped [09:02] and I don't have them there [09:02] it's in use for me :-( [09:02] hum, how come? :/ [09:02] but not showing anywhere in ccsm [09:02] waow [09:02] is the xml used at runtime? or only for the config? [09:02] normally, removing the xml removed the detection of it [09:02] but the .so is still installed [09:02] like if my gconf says to load it will it load the .so? [09:02] I bet that's the case [09:02] let me tweak gconf [09:02] yeah, but when I tried that (and tested there), removing the xml was enough [09:03] and I don't have them anymore [09:03] not for me [09:03] so yeah, we can remove safly the iso [09:03] safely* [09:03] so* [09:03] /usr/lib/compiz/libunitydialog.so [09:04] didrocks, that's fine, I tweaked the gconf config [09:04] seb128: well, I'll upload after alpha3 with removing it [09:04] thanks [09:04] yw [09:05] chrisccoulson, tb sucks [09:05] lol [09:05] :( [09:05] it doesn't list half my imap folders! [09:05] seb128: I had to add them one by one [09:05] including the launchpad box and the ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-devel ones [09:06] (and ask for checking all updates one by one by right-clicking as it didn't check them there) [09:06] yeah, I'm not going to do that [09:06] yeah, you can edit folder subscriptions, but i'm not sure how it decides which folders to subscribe to by default [09:06] normal users wouldn't do that either [09:06] chrisccoulson, what about "all"? ;-) [09:07] like if I bothered filtering emails in boxes that's because I use those [09:07] boxes->folders [09:07] seb128, it seems to get it right for gmail (ie, it hides the Bin, All Mail and Starred virtual folders by default) [09:08] it decided to not list desktop-devel-list either [09:08] i'm not sure how it decides though ;) [09:08] like it's listing all the old boxes I don't care about [09:08] like dapper-changes [09:08] lucid-changes [09:08] seb128, can you check to make sure you're not subscribed to those boxes? [09:08] but none of the natty, oneiric, desktop lists, launchpad etc [09:09] chrisccoulson, is "subscribed" something stored on the server side? [09:09] how do I check that? [09:09] seb128, if you right click on the account name in the folder pane (on the left), and click "Subscribe" in the context menu, you will get a dialog [09:09] not sure how that translates in french ;) [09:10] ok [09:10] it's not in french [09:10] I've apt-get install thunderbird and that doesn't bring any translation with it ;-) [09:10] do you not have the french language pack installed? (thunderbird-locale-fr) [09:10] no [09:10] will do that in a bit ;-) [09:10] it's not, I poked pitti about it and he told me he would fix that later [09:10] seb128, yeah, we discussed that problem at UDS (automatically pulling in new language packs when an app requires them) [09:11] didrocks, not sure how we can "fix" that [09:11] we can do depends on binary-$(locale) [09:11] i.e dynamic depends [09:11] seb128: as th is in the default, shouldn't it be recommended by the langpack? [09:11] can't [09:11] (isn't the same issue than firefox?) [09:11] didrocks, yeah, same issue for firefox [09:11] and same issue for installing KDE apps on GNOME [09:12] didrocks, well I was using evolution and we don't change the email client on upgrade I think [09:12] chrisccoulson, so ok, I'm only subscribed to those folders I don't care about according to thunderbird [09:12] seb128, subscribe to the ones you care about for now, and i'll try and find out how tbird decides which ones to subscribe too ;) [09:12] which account is this btw? [09:13] chrisccoulson, my canonical one [09:13] imap [09:13] well evolution seems to list the same subscription [09:13] so maybe it's a server side issues and I checked those by then [09:13] but evo default to "show everything" and not "show only subscribed" [09:13] so I never noticed ;-) [09:14] can I tell tb to show everything? [09:14] hum [09:14] seb128, not sure there's a way to do that. i guess that could be easy to add though [09:15] seb128, ok, it's something on the server [09:15] not sure what yet though ;) [09:15] chrisccoulson, yeah, as said evo has the same ones checked [09:15] so they agree on that [09:16] chrisccoulson, let's say I had a broken config and not blame it on tb [09:16] having a "subscribe to all" button on the subscribe dialog would be nice though [09:16] seb128, it missed some of my folders too. i wonder if we need to tweak something on our server [09:16] in any case, gmail seemed to get it right [09:16] ok, now I've all my box [09:17] but no email count indicated [09:17] clicking on "get mail" does nothing [09:17] but I've unread emails in evolution [09:17] seb128, chrisccoulson can I interrupt real quick to ask something weird about desktop summit? [09:17] rickspencer3, sure [09:17] i'm not going to the desktop summit :( [09:18] my wife had arranged for an apartment in Berlin next week [09:18] but, she's not going [09:18] she can cancel it, but I thought maybe someone might want to use it [09:18] so, just throwing it out there [09:18] she'll cancel it tonight unless someone expresses interest [09:18] rickspencer3, thanks for the info [09:19] well I think those going from Canonical got room booked in an hotel close from the venue and together [09:19] yeah [09:19] I like better staying at the same place as everybody [09:19] seb128, to tell tb to show everything go to "account settings / server setting / advanced" and untick "show only subscribed folder" [09:19] the offer is open to more than just Canonical folks [09:19] I was just putting it out there [09:19] rickspencer3, but thanks for the offer ;-) [09:19] maybe that should be the default, if that's the default in evo [09:20] mvo, ^ you were pondering maybe commit to summit, in case that's something that could interest you [09:20] jibel, thanks [09:20] chrisccoulson, ok, so tb insist I've no email when I've some [09:20] chrisccoulson, clicking on get mail does nothing [09:20] like doesn't update the counts or seems to check for emails [09:21] do I need to click on each box to see if they got emails or something? [09:21] seb128: in folders? [09:21] didrocks, yes [09:21] ahah, I'm not the only one \o/ [09:21] remembers my discussion some weeks ago? [09:21] seb128, yeah, it lazy loads some folders by default [09:21] didrocks, not really, I didn't follow the details of your tb issues ;-) [09:22] chrisccoulson, it means I need to click manually 25 folders every time I want to check which one got new messages? [09:22] that seems suboptimal :-( [09:22] seb128, do you do server-side filtering too? [09:22] basically, you have to right click on each folder, property, and check the option "check in this folder" or something like that [09:22] doesn't tb handle imap idle? [09:22] chrisccoulson, yes [09:23] seb128: remember the email I missed on ubuntu-devel? that was the caused :p [09:23] seb128, yeah, that's why i don't see this, as i do all my filtering in tbird ;) [09:23] hum it has "use IDLE if the server support it" checked [09:23] seb128, to force checking, try clicking on the arrow next to 'Get Mail' to open the menu and select 'Get All new messages' [09:23] and the server supports it, it works in evo [09:23] jibel, that does nothing as well [09:24] seb128, didrocks: Oops, looks like when fixing rhythmbox's window not closing on gnome-shell, now it won't show when clicking notification :( [09:24] like no visible actions, no spinner, no update [09:24] dunno if that's broken on unit too [09:24] xclaesse, if you want to fix it updated patches are welcome ;-) [09:25] no even a message in the status bar saying 'Connect', 'Check for new messages', ... ? [09:25] jibel, no, nothing [09:25] seb128, I'll let you know if I find why :) [09:25] xclaesse, thanks [09:26] now I understand why chrisccoulson never see bug emails [09:26] tb just doesn't show new emails :p [09:26] seb128, i see all mine because i do local filtering ;) [09:26] seb128, by default, checking is disabled for !Inbox folders until you view them [09:26] i wonder why that's the default though [09:26] hum [09:27] but "get all new messages" should work at list [09:27] even if "get mail" doesn't [09:27] yeah, that sounds like a bug [09:27] do you want me to keep it the broken state? [09:27] seb128, no, feel free to set it up how you want :) [09:28] well, do you need debug infos to fix that issue? [09:28] I can keep using evolution for a bit [09:28] seb128, i don't think so [09:28] ok [09:30] do users really prefer having emails not sorted by discussions by default? [09:31] ok, I've got my tb mostly set up, let's see how it goes at use ;-) [09:31] I'm sure chrisccoulson will soon with I stayed on evo :p [09:32] with->wih [09:32] wish [09:32] can't type!!! ;-) [09:33] bah tb is not better than evo as displaying an email preview while updating indexes [09:33] it's over a minute and it's still not previewing it [09:34] it's ok once it's done the initial sync and index ;) [09:34] the tooltip on boxes with unread messages is nice [09:34] it tells you what you got there without having to switch ;-) [09:35] oh, i've never noticed that before [09:37] when do we unfreeze? i've got a firefox beta to upload [09:37] we're out of date ;) [09:38] chrisccoulson, it's a soft freeze ;-) [09:38] seb128, yeah, but i don't want to annoy everyone in #ubuntu-release ;) [09:39] well skaet is still sleeping, just go for it ;-) [09:39] joke aside small uploads are probably fine, maybe wait later today for firefox [09:39] chrisccoulson, you can fix g-s-d though if you want ;-) [09:39] yeah, firefox definitely isn't a small upload ;) [09:39] i could :) [09:40] you should! [09:40] you own me a favor now that I'm using your email client :p [09:40] (wonder if that will work :p) [09:41] lol [09:41] seb128, i think the deal was that if you didn't find any bugs, i would owe you a beer ;) [09:42] doh, I knew I should just have tweaked things locally without saying anything :p [09:42] chrisccoulson, well I think the only real bug there is the "get all new messages" doing nothing by default [09:43] heh, DOM inspector is great. i can find exactly where in the code that button is, so i can view exactly what it does when you press it ;) [09:44] I know what it does [09:44] "nothing" [09:44] I tried it ;-) [09:45] lol [09:46] this is fun! when selecting "try ubuntu" I get a desktop but without reboot/shutdown option [09:46] mvo, why would you ever want to stop running Ubuntu? ;-) [09:47] espcially when it runs from a speedy medium like a CDROM … [09:47] mvo, "known bug" I think ;-) [09:47] ok, fair enough [09:47] not a big deal [09:51] chrisccoulson, now the indicator and launcher counts disagree with the tb ui [09:51] like the count is 3 but the boxes the indicator list with unread messages have no unread messages [09:53] hmmm :/ [09:53] i'll need to think about why that could happen ;) [09:54] well, I used evolution to read my emails while tb is indexing [09:54] so maybe 2 clients accessing the server confused it [09:55] morning everyone btw :) [09:57] lut huats [10:02] hello seb128 [10:05] stupid question [10:05] how do I "clean up deleted messages" in tb? [10:06] seb128: empty the trash [10:06] tjaalton, doesn't work [10:07] yeah wait.. I'm using both tb and alpine, I'll check how it's done.. [10:07] but I don't move deleted messages to it, I selected 'just mark as deleted" option in the account options [10:07] i.e I like keeping those crossed in the box when they arrived until I clean up the list [10:08] it makes easier to undo the "ups, I didn't want to delete this one" [10:10] right, I use the default [10:11] ok, google help [10:11] "compact folder" does it [10:11] very intuitive ;-) [10:12] yeah, very :) [10:12] I'm wondering if that did other things as well [10:15] bah that's doing other things [10:15] it's like going over my folders and compating those now, I hope it will not screw things [10:15] ouch [10:16] it just displayed an error saying it couldn't compact a folder because it was being indexed [10:17] i guess it goes through all the folders of the account looking for deleted messages [10:18] well I would feel better if the label was "cleaning deleted messages" [10:18] if that's what it's doing [10:18] because I don't know what is hiding behind the current wording ;-) [10:18] indexing is something else, I've always disabled it since tb3 came out [10:18] http://kb.mozillazine.org/Thunderbird_:_Tips_:_Compacting_Folders [10:18] that would suggest it only purges deleted messages [10:23] is it just me or is it odd that "keyboard" in gnome has no option to change the keyboard options (like make caps-lock a control). its under "regions and languages" now [10:24] mvo, they plan to drop it in 3.2 [10:26] mvo, gnome bug #654617 [10:26] Gnome bug 654617 in Region & Language "Remove the "Options" dialogue" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654617 [10:26] eh [10:26] remove it entirely? [10:26] yes [10:26] sigh [10:26] they said it's rather a tweak tool thing [10:26] like no normal user who use those options... [10:27] see bug #648919 [10:27] Launchpad bug 648919 in virtkey "package python-virtkey 0.60.0-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess installiertes post-installation-Skript gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück (dup-of: 648695)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/648919 [10:27] Launchpad bug 648695 in virtkey "package python-virtkey (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: file does not exist: /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/python_virtkey-0.60.0.egg-info" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/648695 [10:27] ups [10:27] gnome bug #654617 [10:27] Gnome bug 654617 in Region & Language "Remove the "Options" dialogue" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=654617 [10:27] so its removed and then someone needs to go and add it to the tweaktool? [10:27] mvo, indeed [10:27] * mvo tries to control his temper [10:30] are you fucking kidding me? [10:30] * desrt doesn't do as well as mvo [10:31]