Azelphurlol wow, #mysql is batshit crazy :D00:08
AzelphurI went there to ask how to take a backup without having my mysql server slow to a crawl with mysqldump00:09
Azelphurthey told me to setup a separate $500 server and read a document on performance analytics and security and also to have 20 minutes downtime every hour to take backups :D00:11
shaunobetter get right on that then ;)00:15
Azelphurshauno: it was even more funny when one guy changed his nick to "Aze1phur" and carried on trolling the guy who was saying all the dumb shit00:15
Azelphurand he didn't even notice it wasn't me00:15
shaunonot the best time to run out of coffee :/00:30
harry_hey any one with the knowledge of language selector in Ubuntu 11.04???04:51
MooDoomorning all05:19
harry_Hey MooDoo..05:19
MooDoothought it was the only crazy fool up this early ;)05:19
harry_ya stuck in a problem frnd..05:20
shaunoMooDoo, what makes you think you're not ?05:21
MooDooshauno: lol05:21
shaunotrying & failing to sneak a quick nap in before everyone else gets in05:22
harry_hey guys answer my qution first dude ..05:23
MooDooshauno: my laddo woke up at 5 am05:23
lubotu3Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)05:23
shaunoMooDoo, I'm already in the office.  5am isn't early :p05:24
MooDooshauno: late shift or very early start?05:24
harry_i have already post the qution lubotu3....okay again here....05:24
shaunoearly start05:24
harry_<harry_> hey any one with the knowledge of language selector in Ubuntu 11.04???05:24
MartijnVdS!ask | harry_05:25
lubotu3harry_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)05:25
MooDoonot me i'm afraid :)05:25
MooDooMartijnVdS: already did that :D05:25
MartijnVdSah oops05:25
MooDooharry_: are you having a problem with it?05:25
MartijnVdSMooDoo: I blame the fact that it's early :)05:25
MartijnVdSharry_: What's the problem you're having with it?05:26
harry_oky its like when i change the langauge at the time of login its not changing in the regional Fromat in ubuntu 11.04 so the locales are not getting change with it..05:27
MartijnVdSharry_: did you install the language pack first?05:28
MartijnVdSharry_: also.. "regional format"? in which programs?05:28
MartijnVdSharry_: what does "locale" say on the command line? (please use pastebin)05:28
harry_yes of-curse i did....05:28
MartijnVdSharry_: just checking :)05:29
harry_regional fromates are there in Language selector in the settings of Ubuntu05:29
harry_and locale like...05:29
harry_~$ locale05:30
MartijnVdS!pastebin | harry_05:30
lubotu3harry_: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.05:30
harry_okay thanks man...here is the link05:34
AlanBellmorning all06:20
popeyali1234: tried a few dial strings, and yes it's the green and black cheapo dongle06:20
popeyali1234: tried the same dial string settings as network manager uses and that failed06:21
ali1234what colour is the LED on it?06:21
ali1234if it is green it means it is using GPRS/2G06:22
ali1234which doesn't work on 306:22
ali1234if it is blue it is using 3G06:22
popeyit flashes green on my desktop06:22
popeyand works06:22
popeyits a tricolour LED, Red/Green/Blue06:22
* popey goes to work, will take it with me and test there06:23
gingmy o2 dongle i have been told also has a purple led in it but i've never seen it06:23
ali1234maybe it's the other way around06:24
ali1234ging, you're kidding right?06:25
gingit doesn't mention it at all in the manual06:32
gingbut aprently it comes on if you set it to umts instead of hspda06:33
brobostigongood morning everyone.07:22
dwatkinshiya folks07:31
DJonesMorning all07:52
DJonesHi AlanBell08:06
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AlanBellI wish Ubuntu server was like cpanel, but not crap08:19
MartijnVdSAlanBell: http://www.thelmagazine.com/images/blogimages/2010/04/30/1272634254-the-wish8221-tee-509-full.jpg08:20
BigRedSAlanBell: virtualmin?08:23
daubersAlanBell: I don't think I'd care if it had a gtk based gui tbh :)08:24
daubersAlanBell: As long as it did what every other major OS does in terms of ldappy type things for office workgroups08:24
MartijnVdSLDAP shouldn't be as hard to set up as it is08:25
MartijnVdSboth server AND client side08:25
MartijnVdS(fiddling with 10 config files and hoping it'll work)--08:25
diploAlanBell, I put the same thing in the Ubuntu Server questionnaire, it's my only issue with some of my old staff to getting them to use it08:27
diploMartijnVdS, totally agree, having lot's of issues getting a working LDAP server myself :(08:27
oimonif you're on a home network, install zimbra free version and it will do the work for you :)08:29
dwatkinsPeople use LDAP at home?08:30
popeyPeople use Linux at home?08:31
dwatkinsI do, popey ;)08:31
lightstreamdoesn't everyone??08:31
shaunoat home?  I don't hate myself that much :p08:32
lightstreamyou love bill more than you love yourself :D08:32
* dwatkins notes his netbook at home is running at 60 degrees centigrade08:32
oimonshauno has an idols of jobs in the corner of his house08:33
shaunothey don't go in the corner08:33
* popey tickles ali1234 08:34
popeysuggestions for making this dongle work welcome08:34
MartijnVdSpopey: dongle? what kind?08:34
ali1234how did you even get openwrt to recognise it?08:34
ali1234mine has no usb drivers08:34
dauberspopey: Donate one to mjg?08:35
popeyi followed a guide08:35
popeyone mo08:36
JamesTaitBuenos dias!08:36
popeyopkg update08:36
popeyopkg install usbutils08:36
popeyopkg install kmod-usb-serial kmod-usb2 kmod-usb-uhci kmod-usb-ohci08:36
popeyBus 001 Device 002: ID 19d2:2000 ONDA Communication S.p.A. ZTE MF627/MF628/MF628+/MF636+ HSDPA/HSUPA08:36
popeythats the device08:36
popeyit works fine on desktop/laptop08:36
popeybut the dialling bit fails on openwrt08:36
ali1234i didn't install usb-uhci08:36
ali1234i knew i forgot something08:36
ali1234opkg doesn't have them as deps cos every router needs a different one08:37
ali1234maybe you just need to set a longer timeout08:38
* popey tries this08:39
oimonboarded an empty bus during rush hour this morning which didn't stop at any intermediate stops until my destination. best taxi ever \o/08:40
popeylight goes green when in my laptop but red in this router08:40
directhexwife got on train this morning. it decided not to stop at oxford, and kicked everyone out in reading.08:40
ali1234red is bad08:40
shaunostuff like that almost makes me homesick08:40
directhexpopey, 3g modem? does it need usb modeswitch?08:40
popeyit has that directhex08:41
popeyit switches from 19d2:2000 to 19d2:003108:41
directhex<popey> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 19d2:2000 ONDA Communication S.p.A. ZTE MF627/MF628/MF628+/MF636+ HSDPA/HSUPA08:41
ali1234this is the chat script i used to use to do this on white russian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/658515/08:41
popeydirecthex: that was a paste from earlier08:41
directhexpopey, firmware files? i needed firmware to use my laptop's 3g08:42
daubersdirecthex: There's a nice cafe in Reading town centre that does salady type nommy food in a box08:42
directhexdaubers, great - but she needs to be in the office in oxford.08:42
bigcalmHallo peoples :)08:42
popeydirecthex: didnt know it needed firmware08:43
daubersdirecthex: Nobody needs that really :)08:43
popeydirecthex: any idea where from / what it is?08:43
shaunosnacks > office08:43
popeyi.e. can i grab it from /lib/firmware somewhere08:43
directhexpopey, i'm not sure if it *does* need firmware, just offing suggestions08:44
popeyah ok08:45
ali1234it doesn't08:45
directhexi wonder if orange will do me a deal on mobile broadbean for my laptop08:46
directhexi use a Three sim right now, via PAYG08:46
ali1234popey: did you unlock it?08:47
ali1234popey: are you using the correct tty?08:48
ali1234there's thee08:48
ali1234you have to use the right one08:48
ali1234you have three ports 0,1,208:50
ali12341 and 2 accept at commands08:50
popeyi havent unlocked it08:50
popeyi must be using the right tty, the chat script partially works08:50
popeyi get responses08:50
popeyits just the connect that fails08:51
ali1234but only one of them will emit ppp08:51
ali1234that is expected if you use the wrong one08:51
ali1234the ppp packets will start appearing on the other tty08:51
directhexhmph, i pay £10 for 1 gig of data on Three, with 1 month expiry, on PAYG. Orange charge £15 for that on a contract basis, with £5 off for existing customers. Net saving: 0.08:51
* popey reboots it08:52
ali1234directhex: the same as what i pay except i can also make phone calls and they gave me a free phone too08:52
popeygreen light08:52
popeynot red08:52
ali1234green is wrong08:52
ali1234it should be blue08:52
popeyi never see blue08:52
ali1234green means "initializing"08:52
popeybah, red08:52
ali1234i only see blue when i use a genuine three sim08:52
directhexali1234, i'm talking data SIMs here, not phones08:52
ali1234directhex: yes08:53
directhexwhy do i want to make phone calls from my laptop?08:53
ali1234the question you should actually ask is "why am i paying twice when i could just use 1 sim for everything"08:54
ali1234popey: actually red might be good08:55
ali1234anyway try the other tty08:55
ali1234and try increasing the timeout as in the paste08:55
shaunonow that's an epic plot twist08:55
bigcalmDamn you VirginMedia caching DNS. The rest of the world can see this new subdomain, wake up!08:56
popeytried all 3 ttys08:56
gordbigcalm, can you not just use instead?08:58
bigcalmgord: I could I guess09:00
bigcalmWhat's Google's 2nd name server?09:00
gordsetting up google dns is part of my router setup process these days :)09:00
bigcalmThat's the rub. Can't alter the DNS on the VM superhub09:01
gordsounds anything but super...09:01
bigcalmI think it's meant to be sarcastic09:01
oimonis the htc desire S exactly the same shape/size as the desire? buying a phone case.09:02
diploAny one recommend a cheapish router for dd-wrt, one popey got is a slight bit expensive for me :/09:02
popeyali1234: tried pretty much your paste09:02
popeybut it still fails to do anything after sending the ATD09:03
popeyexpect (CONNECT)09:03
popeythen a delay then 'alarm' 'failed'09:03
bigcalmdiplo: my dd-wrt flashed router is still for sale now popey doesn't need it09:03
diploWat model bigcalm and how much ?09:04
diploUsing sky,and the router supplied is a tad rubbish :(09:04
bigcalmLinksys WRT320N 40 quid (if you're going to oggcamp)09:05
popeyali1234: what do you have in /etc/config/network for your ppp0?09:05
directhexrouters are all rubbish.09:05
ali1234white russian doesn't use /etc/config09:05
gordi fixed my routers 20kb/s download speed over wifi last night by turning off QoS =\ weird stuff09:06
bigcalmdiplo: Oh, if you want to replace your ADSL modem/router, I also have a Netgear DG834N (no idea if it will take dd-wrt though)09:06
* apw idly notes that the loco wiki says the next meeting is on the 23rd of july09:08
bigcalmaquarius: now that you have your stuff back, have you tried the network ports on the router?09:10
aquariusbigcalm, not yet, although I'm gonna09:10
diploDoesnt look like the DG is supported bigcalm, will have a think about the other one thanks09:11
popeygcom -d /dev/ttyUSB* gives SIM ERROR09:14
popeybtu this works on my laptop09:14
MartijnVdSpopey: SIM ERROR means you need to enter a PIN maybe?09:15
popeynetwork manager shows no PIN09:15
popeywhat would the PIN be?09:15
MartijnVdSpopey: or maybe the USB port on the device doesn't provide enough juice?09:15
MartijnVdSpopey: 0000? 1234? whatever the PIN on the SIM is09:15
MartijnVdSpopey: stick it in a phone and find out :)09:16
ali1234how did you get it to work on ubuntu?09:16
ali1234i get exactly the same as on openwrt: plug it in, get three tty, nothing else happens09:16
popeyon ubuntu i just used the Network Manager wizard09:20
popeyit asks what country, network and thats it09:21
directhexNM is nice for 3g09:22
ali1234yeah but how do i get to the wizard?09:23
popeyplug dongle in, wait, it shows up in nm09:23
ali1234no, it doesn't09:24
popeyas a new device, click it the wizard starts, well, does here09:24
popeythe other option is nm -> edit connections -> mobile broadband09:24
ali1234yeah there's nothing in there09:24
popeyyeah, it only appears in there after you run the wizard09:24
popeyor if you manually add new device09:24
ali1234your apn should be "3internet" according to this09:24
ali1234not "three.co.uk"09:24
popeytried both09:24
ali1234oh, look at that09:26
ali1234it woks09:26
ali1234now the light is flashing blue09:26
ali1234i have an ip and everything09:26
ali1234so, you must use ttyUSB209:26
ali1234you must manually write gprs config in /etc/ppp/peers09:27
ali1234then you must write connect and disconnect scripts09:27
ali1234and then it works09:27
ali1234(on ubuntu)09:27
ali1234ttyUSB1 didn't work... it got to dialing then just never connected09:27
ali1234interesting that the sim card still works09:28
ali1234i haven't touched this thing since i bought it09:28
ali1234oh and my apn "internet"09:30
ali1234ok, identical pppd config works on openwrt in an identical manner09:31
ali1234and you would expect really09:31
popeywhat am I doing wrong ☹09:32
ali1234what version of openwrt are you using?09:32
popeybleeding edge09:32
ali1234well that's your first mistake09:32
ali1234openwrt trunk won't even boot on my hardware09:32
ali1234unless you have some router that is only supported in trunk, use backfire09:33
popeyi think i do09:34
popeythe 3700v2 apparently only works on very recent09:34
AlanBellhttp://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3295032/nhs-fears-multibillion-pound-npfit-legal-fight-with-bt-csc-and-fujitsu/ and you thought public sector IT contracts couldn't be worse09:36
popeyttyusb2 is less useful than 1, i get no responses at all09:37
ali1234reboot the modem09:37
popeyi did09:38
shaunothis is probbly why we have battleships running on nt4.  cheaper to build new ships, than to tender a software contract09:38
ali1234it tends to crash if you attempt to ppp on usb109:38
ali1234popey: this is my full config http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/gprs.tar.gz09:41
popeyit doesnt seem to like it if I specify a pincode 0000 or 1234, "Failed to set the PIN code"09:43
popeynow I'm getting zero response from the chat script09:43
ali1234so put the sim in a phone09:44
popeyi dont have a phone that will take a conventional sim ☺09:44
bigcalmWell, if you will use an iPhone :P09:45
popeyi see on openwrt doc which says it _must_ have a pin09:45
ali1234well that's not true at all09:46
ali1234mine doesn't have a pin and it works fine09:46
popeyand i dont specify a pin on ubuntu09:46
ali1234i suggest you do this09:46
popeylosing the will to live with this09:46
ali1234take my gprs config ^09:46
ali1234put it on ubuntu and see if it works09:46
ali1234without any NM rubbish09:46
popeywhere does that go?09:47
popeyin /etc/ppp ?09:47
ali1234ten pppd call gprs09:47
ali1234as root09:47
ali1234if it works on ubuntu it should work on openwrt too09:48
ali1234if it doesn't work on ubuntu then there's something different about your dongle, probably because it isn't unlocked09:48
ali1234if it works on ubuntu and not openwrt then the problem is you are using trunk, or it just don't work right on your router09:49
ali1234also if it doesn't work on ubuntu it can be your sim card09:49
popeyok, config copied09:49
ali1234i will try using my other sim...09:49
ali1234when you use ubuntu and it "works" what does the led do?09:50
popeythat script works09:50
popeyflashy green light09:50
ali1234NO green is wrong09:50
ali1234it should be blue09:51
ali1234mine is blue09:51
popeywell, i have a 10. ip from it09:51
ali1234ok its working then09:51
ali1234ok... i put in my tmo sim09:51
ali1234i got a red light09:52
ali1234and then i connected and i got a red flashy light09:52
ali1234i think the unlocked firmware has different colour leds09:52
popeymakes sense09:52
ali1234anyway, flashing is always good09:52
popeythis is blinking away09:52
popeyok, so we've established one fact. Flashing is _good_09:53
ali1234yeah because normally on three, you get green led = 3g connection09:53
ali1234cos the whole thing is green and black after all09:53
ali1234but that's on three's locked firmware09:53
ali1234on the unlocked one, 3g = blue led09:53
ali1234anyway that is irrelevant09:53
ali1234so, now copy those files onto the openwrt, in the exact same place, and do the exact same thing09:54
ali1234hmm interesting, on openwrt my tmo sim gives a blue led09:55
popeydo i need to remove ppp0 from /etc/config/network ?09:55
ali1234and it fails to connect09:56
ali1234no, i shouldn't think so09:56
ali1234ok, second attempt and it worked09:57
ali1234i'm going to put that down to flaky signal09:58
popeyhmm, if I plug the modem in, its going to try to dial automatically09:59
ali1234in what?09:59
ali1234in to openwrt?09:59
ali1234why would it do that?09:59
popeyit auto connects09:59
popeywell, tries09:59
ali1234mine doesn't09:59
popeyso I'll remove ppp0 from /etc/config/network then09:59
popeyso it doesnt09:59
ali1234if you insist :)09:59
popeyright, plugged in10:00
popeyred light10:00
popeylight off10:00
dauberspopey: Isn't there an option in that file to not autoconnect?10:00
popeyred light again10:00
popeygreen light10:00
popeypppd call gprs does nothing10:01
ali1234set permissions10:01
ali1234on the chat scripts10:01
ali1234they have to be executable10:01
popeyok, pppd call gprs just sits there then returns10:02
popeyno chatter10:02
ali1234yeah the openwrt one doesn't do debug10:02
ali1234it should never return though10:02
ali1234also, light off = attempting to dial10:02
ali1234so you failed to disable that10:02
ali1234and it's probably what is messing it up10:02
ali1234also another thing, i think the reason mine doesn't trigger auto dialing is because when i plug it in, it defaults to modem mode10:03
ali1234i don't need any of the modeswitch nonsense10:03
popeyscript /etc/ppp/peers/gprs-connect-chat finished status = 0x310:03
ali1234there's an AT command which sets the default mode10:03
davmor2morning all10:03
popeyconnect script failed10:03
davmor2hey MooDoo I'm up too now :D10:03
ali1234openwrt claims that the device must have a pin?10:04
ali1234so maybe their autodialler *always* tries to send a pin10:04
ali1234and that messes it up10:04
popeythe autodialler didnt kick in10:04
ali1234it did10:04
ali1234the light went out10:04
popeyno that was usbmodeswitch10:05
ali1234well, i dunno10:06
ali1234all i can suggest is flashing it with the unlocked firmware10:06
popeyis that straightforward?10:06
ali1234you need windows and some qualcomm engineering mode software10:07
ali1234qpst i think it's called10:07
popeyi have windows10:07
shaunothis is making's NM's "ireland, O2, kthxbye" dongle setup look pretty space-age10:08
popeyvery much so10:09
ali1234well hey, mine works fine10:10
ali1234oh, i just found my notes from when i was doing al this10:11
ali1234see about the AT+ZCDRUN command10:12
ali1234try disabling that so you don't need usb mode switch10:12
ali1234that might be messing it up10:13
ali1234that is, send AT+ZCDRUN=810:14
ali1234then reboot everything and try again10:14
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popeyso add that to gprs-connect-chat?10:15
oimonlinus has a rant about gnome3: https://plus.google.com/106327083461132854143/posts/SbnL3KaVRtM10:18
ali1234popey: no, you only have to run it once and the dongle will stay in modem mode forever10:19
ali1234just send it with picocom10:19
popeythats hard, i dont have picocom installed and its hard to get the device online right now10:19
ali1234plug it in to ubuntu?10:20
popeyoh i see10:20
ali1234it's a setting stored in the dongle nvram10:21
ali1234so it's remembered no matter what10:21
ali1234until you change the value to something else10:21
ali1234oimon: as usual he's spot on :)10:22
oimonon this occasion yes10:22
oimonnot always though :P10:22
ali1234well, i have never seen him write anything that wasn't deadly accurate :)10:23
oimonhis comments about debian and ubuntu10:23
ali1234what did he say about them?10:23
ali1234i mean which thing in particular was wrong?10:23
oimon"I always felt that Debian was a pointless exercise because to me, the point of a distribution is to make everything easy."10:24
oimondebian had not been difficult to install for years10:25
ali1234if debian wanted their distro to be easy to use, they wouldn't have built it entirely out of perl10:25
ali1234he's not talking about installation10:25
ali1234he's a developer, you can assume he's talking about the build system10:25
oimon..he point of a distribution is to make everything easy. Easy to install, to be pretty and to be friendly and Ubuntu did that to Debian10:26
ali1234cdbs is not known for being user friendly10:26
oimoni do think that he tried debian a quillion years ago and thought that it hadn't moved10:26
popeyplug into ubuntu and I have no /dev/ttyUSB*10:27
oimonpopey has just burst a blood vessel10:27
ali1234well you done it wrong then10:27
popeyyes, i plugged a usb device into a usb port wrong10:27
Laneylinus should stick to developing a kernel K THX BYE10:27
ali1234anyway isn't that what is supposed to happen?10:27
popeyi did do it wrong10:27
ali1234you don't get ttyUSB until usbmodeswitch runs10:27
popeyI didnt push it fully :D10:27
popeyI suck, yes10:28
dauberspopey: Must be time for cake10:28
popeyit's an Asus 1008HA which has silly ports10:28
popeyOH LOOK! TTYUSB ports!10:28
popey"Close autorun state result(0:FAIL 1:SUCCESS):110:29
popeythats good, right?10:29
* czajkowski hands popey a large mug of tea and a marmite sandwich for mid morning snack 10:29
ali1234yeah that means... it set the close autorun state :)10:30
oimoni have a mozzy bite that's taken over 1/2 of my arm10:30
popeyso powering up device I see green light10:30
popeythis is good10:30
ali1234is it?10:31
ali1234does network manager notice it now?10:31
popeyits in the router now10:31
popeypppd call gprs fails still10:32
popeybored of this game now ☺10:34
popeythanks for your help ali123410:36
* davmor2 prods czajkowski a found good morning10:48
* czajkowski yawns and stabs daubers 10:50
* czajkowski yawns and stabs davmor2 10:51
* czajkowski hands daubers cake 10:51
davmor2czajkowski: Muhahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahaha  I got daubers stabbed by czajkowski cause of tab10:51
* daubers looks confused and eats a mars bar at all of you10:52
davmor2morning daubers10:54
dwatkinscollateral damage10:54
davmor2czajkowski: here have a fluffy bunny10:54
* BigRedS sees daubers' mars bar and raises him a coffee and a biscuit10:54
shauno\o/ just got a call back for an interview.  trying not to dance too visibly :D10:59
selinuxiumshauno, Congrats  :)11:01
dwatkinsnice one, shauno :) hope all goes well11:04
czajkowskishauno: congrats , where11:05
davmor2shauno: Congrats11:05
shaunostill in galway.  pretty much a sideways move, to a company that's a lot more interesting11:05
shaunobeen thru so many screening interviews that I'm actually stoked to get to finally meet humans11:06
AlanBelldaubers: do you have a gigabit switch to bring along?11:31
daubersAlanBell: I can do11:47
czajkowskijust over a week t go :)11:48
AlanBelldaubers: cool, I can get a little 8 port one for not much, but if you have one handy that would be awesome11:49
daubersAlanBell: Yup, got a 48 port one I can borrow11:49
AlanBell wow :)11:49
daubersAlanBell: i'm essentially bringing my testing gear :)11:50
oimondoh, bought my lunch from sainsburys this morning and it's out of date :(11:52
MartijnVdSoimon: by how much?12:10
MartijnVdSoimon: and what is it?12:10
popey"Best before" != "Poisonous after"12:10
oimonMartijnVdS: 1 day, ready meal12:10
oimonhowever its law not to sell out of date goods12:11
MartijnVdSpopey: products should have a "Poisonous after" date on them12:11
oimontomato+cheese pasta dish12:11
popeynanny state12:11
oimoni've eaten it, but the cheese tasted a bit hmm12:11
MartijnVdSoimon: microwave? then you'll be fine12:11
popeythe cheese tasted a bit hmm because it was a ready meal :D12:11
oimonstill a bit "cheesed" off. i always look at the dates but i thought it was the 2nd aug today :(12:12
* oimon looks at his google+ feed and it's full of popey and nobody else...doesn't seem to be taking off amongst my peers12:18
popeyinvite more peers?12:20
selinuxiumMust admit that I see my google+ stream is full of tech heads rather than other archetypes.12:23
selinuxiumAnd I have invited none tech peers..12:23
brobostigonme too,12:24
oimonalso, it is mostly regurtitated tweets anyway until G+ gains  more traction12:24
czajkowskiI've really not seen any advantage to it yet12:25
brobostigoni would say the only non tech, on my google+ is my mum.12:25
oimonalso , i don't like seeing stuff from techies that isn't technical, e.g. politics, religion12:25
oimonfor example if i subscribe to linus torvalds, i want linux, not holiday photos12:26
BigRedSThen you want blogs rather than social networking, surely?12:29
BigRedSor newsfeeds or something. Something that's not basically a place to talk about holiday photos :)12:29
oimoni want google+ being used properly :)12:29
bigcalmWho is to say how it should be used?12:30
* Laney starts following brobostigon's mum12:31
oimoni would hope that the targeted status updates are the USP of Google+12:31
Laneythat would mean he has to categorise you12:31
oimonon a different subject, i have a folder in ubuntu one folder which is showing the refreshing icon, but u1sdtool thinks it is up to date. website doesn't show the file - how can i fix?12:32
popey---> #ubuntuone12:33
BigRedSyeah, you want some way of categorising yourself in the feeds of someone who might not be particularly interested in you...12:34
oimonlike tags/categories12:36
oimonor like gmail labels :)12:36
bigcalmA new DMSB! \o/12:36
daubersAre any of the novacut people going to oggcamp?12:38
popeyunlikely they're US based12:39
daubersJust had a brief look at dmedia..... I think they've missed an important point12:39
daubersMainly 99.9% of machines won't have drives that can cope with some of the codecs used in the professionaly market12:40
shaunofor G+ .. I think geeks just want to turn 'circles' into 'venns'12:41
BigRedShah, yeah. I'd quite like to use intersections...12:43
daubersAlanBell: I did think of one issue we may have12:45
daubersAlanBell: I think you need a tool to get the video files off these video cameras SD cards (it does some magic compression)12:46
popeywell that sucks12:46
dauberspopey: Means you can fit 10x more stuff on an SD card12:46
daubersI'll prep up my mac mini just in case12:47
AlanBellooh, ok12:48
daubersAlso, can't have SDHC cards for the two I'm getting :( People I'm borrowing them from don't have anywhere to ditch the footage thats on them12:49
AlanBellok, what spec do they need for 1 hour footage?12:49
andrewebdevI have an idea for a new feature in Unity, where can I post that Idea for the devs?12:50
daubersThey think their 64GB cards would hold 6 hours12:50
lubotu3Unity is the default UI for Ubuntu 11.04. Unity is a shell for GNOME. see http://unity.ubuntu.com. You can still boot to the classic GNOME desktop; see !classic.12:50
AlanBellandrewebdev: start at unity.ubuntu.com, there is an ideas page on the wiki12:51
andrewebdevok thx12:51
AlanBelldaubers: so 16GB class 6 would be good?12:51
daubersAlanBell: I'd get class 10 if possible12:51
daubersAlanBell: You really don't want slow media in these things12:52
daubersClass 6 can only write at 6MB/s guarenteed, which is a bit close if you do some HD stuff12:54
daubersWhats the cost difference to class 6? Can't be much?12:56
daubersAlso...what? "SDHC Cards use a FAT32file system, a specification that was established for applications with higher capacity needs and are especially suitable for high-quality video."12:57
AlanBellhardly anything, but there are more options at class 612:57
daubersAlanBell: I'd go for class 10, the class just dictates the _minimum_ required write speed12:57
AlanBellyes, and the "8 hours" printed on it12:57
AlanBellthat one is class 1012:57
daubersYeah. The people I speak to who use these things always say class 10. Have you got a class 6 card around?12:58
AlanBellhttp://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=1&sort=popularity&limit=10&store=33&cat=36&filtersubcat=446&filterea10=16GB several there12:59
AlanBellI do have a class 6 card here, formatted as ext413:00
daubersAlanBell: The math suggests a class 6 should do13:01
daubersI think I have a class 6 at home for my DSLR, so shall do a test tomorrow13:01
AlanBellhowever I want to get the data off them fast13:01
AlanBell Timing buffered disk reads:  48 MB in  3.05 seconds =  15.72 MB/sec13:01
AlanBellthat is the read speed using hdparm -tT /dev/sdb which is a class 6 SD card13:02
daubersAlanBell: That should be ok13:02
daubersAlanBell: Though writing is more important13:02
daubersas it's the camera getting the video on the disk is more important13:02
AlanBellwriting has to be "fast enough", reading is as fast as it can go13:03
AlanBellok, so that verbatim one looks good to me, I will get a stack of them13:05
dauberspopey: I see the podcast made the lausoft website http://clausoft.co.uk/13:07
popeyits not a bad little device13:07
popeyvery nice of them to let us give it away13:08
daubersdoes it play minecraft?13:08
* apw finds their website very confusing13:10
apwit seems as if they only have second-hand white ones?13:10
gordthe 90's taught me not to buy white plastic components ;)13:11
ubuntuuk-planet[iain woz ere] Farewell, UCycle! - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2011/08/farewell-ucycle/13:15
shaunoI discovered that putting plastic components in the washing machine works surprisingly well13:32
shaunomuch easier than trying to find out where to buy retrobite13:33
davmor2Daviey: is the server backup still recommending a shell script or is there some software specific to server being added, out of curiosity?13:37
Davieydavmor2: not currently on the roadmap, personal preference is rsnapshot13:41
AlanBellso what is a good export setting in OpenShot for uploading video?13:58
dogmatic69is there something like pastebinit for screenshots?14:03
lubotu3Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it.14:04
DJonesAh sorry, pastebinit rather than just a pasebin site14:04
dogmatic69cat /path/to/image.png | screenshotit -14:04
dogmatic69something like that14:04
shaunothat's you telt14:04
DJonesCan't say I've heard of anything like that14:05
shaunoit's not quite what you're asking for at all, but I set the output path for my screenshots, to my dropbox/Public dir.  turns the built-in functionality into insta-uploads14:05
dogmatic69shauno: then you need to open dropbox to see the link14:06
shaunoI'm sure you could botch around that.  I think the dl.dropbox.com/blahblah/ part is user-specific.  so you just need to tack the filename on the end14:07
shaunobut yeah.  as I said, not really what you're looking for.  but comes in handy for me14:07
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AlanBellhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a7m8c5pNAo does that video look acceptable? it is quite a low bitrate14:59
popeywont play here15:00
dogmatic69works for me15:00
popey(no flash)15:00
dogmatic69looks reasonable too15:00
popeywhat export settings from pitivi did you use AlanBell ?15:01
AlanBellPAL square widescreen, video bitrate 384kbit/s mpeg215:02
gordso mpeg2 has problems that you can't really get around no matter how high the bitrate15:02
gordyou'll get better quality if you encode to mp4 (h264) at the same bitrate15:02
popeyh264 and 720p15:02
popeyassuming source is 720p15:02
popeyPAL will downscale it15:02
oimonany puppet users in here? #puppet isn't helping15:03
AlanBellit isn't, it is PAL widescreen15:03
popeyalso if you use h264 then I believe the html5 renderer will work15:03
popeyi.e. people wont need flash to watch it :D15:03
AlanBellI am trying to find a reasonable compromise of quality, encode time and upload time15:06
dogmatic69AlanBell: the answer is better internet :D15:09
popeyI dont think upload time should be a factor15:09
popeyif it takes 20 years to upload, it will be better than last year :D15:09
czajkowskistupid hoops one has to jump through *mutters*15:10
AlanBelldogmatic69: I got better internet, 1.6MB upload speed15:11
oimoni decided i hate video format and encoding15:11
oimonhaving a right palaver with a scratched dvd15:11
oimonit's not worth the time and effort15:11
AlanBellhmm, h.264 at 720p is a 152MB file for 5 minutes of video15:20
AlanBellso about 3GB for an hour15:20
* popey checks his h264 video15:21
AlanBelland the audio didn't work15:21
popeyi use ffmpeg for my encoding15:23
popeymakes smaller videos than that15:23
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kazadeafternoon all15:29
popeygord: any chance the drop shadow on the top panel in Unity in 11.10 will be done differently?15:40
popeyhaving it as an overlay on top is a bit detrimental15:40
gordpopey, how so?15:41
popeyrecord a screencast with it enabled15:41
popeyit knackers the video as it keeps getting redrawn on top of windows15:41
gordpopey, have you tested that with 11.10? i thought that stuff had been fixed..15:41
popeybug 76457915:41
lubotu3Error: Launchpad bug 764579 could not be found15:41
popeybug 76357915:42
lubotu3Launchpad bug 763579 in unity (Ubuntu) "Panel drop shadow causes issues for screencasting apps" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76357915:42
popeyi have not because I can't get 11.10 working with nvidia on my desktop!15:42
popeywill try tonight though15:42
gordgreat, because that should be fixed :)15:42
* oimon is riding the oneiric merry go round of wondering what will be on the power button menu today15:43
popeywhat should be fixed?15:43
popeynvidia or the panel shadow?15:43
oimontoday it's everything and the kitchen sink, except for "reboot"15:43
gordpopey, all the corruption, nvidia never stopped working...15:43
* gord has been running 11.10 with nvidia for months15:43
popeyokay will try harder15:43
popeyis there a meta package for unity 3d?15:44
popeyi can only get unity 2d working15:44
popeyit never boots to 3d15:44
gordubuntu-desktop? ;)15:44
apwpopey, isn't that just ubuntu-desktop^15:44
* popey shrugs15:44
gordor unity should bring in what you need15:44
apwas in apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^15:44
apwwhich will install recommends: which have gotten lost15:44
popeyactually I can chroot it from here and update it15:44
Laneywhat does the ^ do?15:45
* Laney bad developer15:45
WorMzyIndicates a tasksel group15:45
Laneythis is different from the meta package how?15:46
popeyworks nicely15:47
Laneytreats everything as depends?15:47
popeygood for people who remove stuff15:47
popeygood for putting bits back that people yank rather15:47
popey285 upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.15:47
popeyhehe, not updated my 11.10 system recently there :D15:47
bigcalmI'm currently using the "classic" gnome desktop, will I lose it come 12.04?15:51
Laneythere's a gnome fallback desktop15:51
bigcalmI actually want to keep my layout15:52
AlanBellbigcalm: that will probably be clarified at UDS15:52
bigcalmFair enough15:52
bigcalmBut nothing crazy is happening in 11.10 I take it?15:52
popeydefine $crazy15:52
Laneymetacity still exists15:53
bigcalmEnforcing Unity15:53
oimonhow well does the gnome shell fallback work?15:55
oimoni'm not perverse enough to load fedora on my box to try it15:55
bigcalmSlightly annoying that the "Post to: twitter" box in the user thing doesn't show the insert carrot16:04
AlanBellgah, why am I bouncing in and out?16:06
AlanBellyou mean caret?16:09
bigcalmMost likely :)16:09
popeyi blame apw for that :D16:11
bigcalmLiving on the edge!16:12
popeybeen sat there for 30 mins16:12
apwpopey, is that oneiric (assume so) ?16:12
krimzon2I wonder if I can implement a tree-style-tab style sidebar for all windows in gnome 316:12
popeychrooted from natty16:12
apwi known dkms is borked there16:13
* popey ctrl+c's that16:13
apwbut, ... that looks like its at the update-grub phase16:13
bigcalmWhat's the biggest benefit of 3 over 2.6?  When we went from 2.4 to 2.6, the biggest change was iptables over ipchains16:13
* popey hugs ssd16:13
popeybigcalm: nothing16:13
apwbigcalm, none, it was purely cause linus cannot count >3916:13
apwoh an he wanted to make my life a misery for a few weeks fixing all the fallout16:14
ubuntuuk-planet[Iain Cuthbertson] Fixing odd characters - http://www.myrant.net/2011/08/04/fixing-odd-characters/16:15
directhexbigcalm, ipchains was 2.216:15
directhexbigcalm, he biggest changes in 2.6 were in the threading model - nptl16:15
AlanBellok, h.264 at a video bit rate of 1.25Mb/sec at NTSC widescreen (480 vertical) seems to be a decent option to me16:20
AlanBell10MB for 1 minute of video16:20
AlanBelllooks like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSpPOVMwN9o16:20
bigcalmNever The Same Colour16:20
popeyalso, do two-pass h264 encoding16:20
popeywhy 480?16:21
popeyoh, source is PAL?16:21
AlanBellbecause youtube does 48016:22
AlanBellbigcalm: yes, but in this context ntsc is just a resolution16:22
popeyyoutube does way more than 48016:22
AlanBell1280x720 is just huge though16:23
dogmatic69AlanBell: hold the chicken pointing at the camera then move its body around :D16:23
AlanBellthe html5 viewer doesn't seem to work with it though16:25
bigcalmdogmatic69: he's already done that16:26
bigcalmAlso, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hBpF_Zj4OA - works fine on my phone but not as html5 in my desktop browser :(16:27
* popey tickles marxjohnson 16:27
* marxjohnson giggles like a schoolgirl16:29
popeyI have heard this noise before16:30
popeyIt is a schoolgirl with a very large adams apple16:30
davmor2popey: that's not something to admit on a logged channel surely :D16:30
czajkowskithat was not an image I needed16:31
bigcalmLooks like the image worried a few too much16:39
gordAlanBell, if you want to guarantee html5 compatibility then you might want to upload as webm - no idea how to do that though16:52
gord*subscribes to learn about chickens*16:53
AlanBellI want to encode an hour of video in less than an hour16:53
ormiretAlanBell: what kind of spec is the machine doing the encoding?16:54
gordAlanBell, also, that latest video is running in html5 here16:55
gordit just takes a while for them to do the conversion i think16:55
AlanBellsilly silly BT and their crappy FTTC modems17:13
AlanBellormiret: encoding on a fairly low spec box, atom or above17:13
AlanBellwill throw more power or more boxes at it if required17:13
AlanBellgord: yeah, runs for me in html5 now too17:13
AlanBellI can't see any point in encoding (or recording) at 720p17:15
ormiretMight struggle to get better than real time on an atom17:16
* MartijnVdS hates banshee a little more17:51
AzelphurAre there any mobile broadband providers that'll give you pay as you go with no expiry?17:51
Azelphurso I can have redundant internet :p17:51
MartijnVdSnot anymore, I think17:51
MartijnVdSAzelphur: if you were in the Netherlands, I'd tell you to use XS4ALL -- we offer a special DSL modem with 3G stick attached as a backup17:51
Azelphurhehe nice17:52
MartijnVdSAzelphur: (and 128kbit by default, upgradeable to 7.2mbit for a day at a time, until your DSL is fixed)17:52
Azelphurshame we can't have shiny things here :(17:53
MartijnVdSAzelphur: It's the EU, you can move and work here without special visa requirements ;)17:53
Azelphuryea, but we have canonical17:53
Azelphur /point /laugh17:54
AzelphurMartijnVdS: haha just asked three live support "Is there any deal that would be suitable for a backup internet connection?" "No."17:59
MartijnVdSAzelphur: Sure, get one of their plans and pay monthly ;)18:01
Azelphurhaha, that's what they actually said to me though, that's a quote :D18:01
* MartijnVdS wants to state publicly, for the record, that I did not hack Azelphur's voice mail :P18:02
Azelphurthere'd be no point there's nothing on it18:03
gordhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-would-like-to-see-a-gnome-fork/9347 *cough* kinda sounds like he wants unity to me ;)18:10
MartijnVdSgord: bias? :)18:10
MartijnVdSgord: btw, I reinstalled and unity works fine now18:10
gordhe wants expose, wobbly windows, shortcuts on your desktop, we got all them!18:11
ali1234i would expect he wants expose that actually works, not the crap version in unity18:11
ali1234also unity does not have wobbly windows and presents no method to enable it18:11
gord*wobbles his windows*18:12
MartijnVdS!family | gord18:13
davmor2gord: but he says Ubuntu is no use for kernel development but very good for it's target audience too :)18:13
ali1234given that one of the things he explicitly does not like about gnome 3 is that it makes it unnecessarily difficult to open new windows, can you seriously claim that he would not have the same problem with unity?18:13
gordsorry ali1234, i can't hear you over the sound of my windows wobbling!18:14
davmor2ali1234: no it's a doddle18:14
ali1234"Now I need to use Shift-Control-N in an old terminal to bring up a new one." which is exactly the same thing we were told about opening new firefox windows18:14
ali1234and terminal windows for that matter18:15
ubuntuuk-planet[iain woz ere] Making mountains out of molehills - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2011/08/mountains-out-of-molehills/18:15
popeydavmor2: lies18:16
ali1234yeah it's really easy as long as you only ever middle click on the launcher, and just use it like a very stupid looking start menu18:16
davmor2popey: it is middle click the icon on the launcher done18:16
popeymy laptop has no middle button18:16
MartijnVdSpopey: left + right at the same time then18:17
popeyyes, I know that18:17
popeyso i have to do some kind of contortion with my hand18:17
popeyits unnatural18:17
ali1234anyway there's not much point us debating what linus likes or does not like18:17
MartijnVdSali1234: unless we're discussing what to buy him for christmas :P18:17
popeya 3 button mouse?18:18
ali1234if your mouse only has 3 buttons you are doing it wrong18:19
MartijnVdSali1234: I have a 3-button SERIAL mouse here18:19
popeyme too ☺18:19
ali1234i have a box full of old mice, i'm sure some of them are serial18:20
ali1234can't think of a reason to use them though18:20
MartijnVdSali1234: if you ever get your hands on a 386 with Windows 3.118:21
davmor2popey: mines usb so technically serial :)18:21
MartijnVdSali1234: you'll know :)18:21
ali1234if it's serial it's either mechanical or it's one of those old sun mice that needs the shiny metal mouse mat18:21
ali1234and those were even less reliable than mechanical ones18:21
MartijnVdSali1234: it's mechanical, Logitech18:21
ali1234also, why ever would i run any version of windows on real hardware?18:22
MartijnVdSali1234: you don't have that sadistic streak?18:22
ali1234i put it to better use18:22
MartijnVdSbitcoin mining?18:22
ali1234well yes18:24
ali1234in any case, why do something that was already done years ago?18:24
* MartijnVdS wonders: buy a i7 2600K now, or wait for the new top-of-the-line i7 next year (Ivy Bridge)18:24
ali1234if you have a good reason there's virtualization, and that won't require any special hardware18:25
MartijnVdSand no, "both" isn't an option ;)18:25
ali1234you should wait for the new i7 next year, and then buy the old one, which will be much cheaper18:25
MartijnVdSali1234: yes, also, it'll be much slower compared to the top of the line then18:26
ali1234not really, unless you are using integrated graphics18:28
MartijnVdSI am18:28
ali1234then wait for ivy bridge18:28
daftykinsupgrading is so last century18:38
popeyhello GirlyGirl18:43
czajkowskiGirlyGirl: hi18:44
GirlyGirlwhy all the hi's18:44
AzelphurBecause we're going for the hi score.18:45
apw                   18:46
* apw must unplug keybaord before performing keybaord surgury18:46
GirlyGirlIs it possible that crashing my car can cause it to steer slightly right?18:47
ali1234repeatedly driving over the kerb at high speed can do it too18:47
MartijnVdSGirlyGirl: yes, sounds like it needs some alignment/balancing18:47
ali1234eg when parking18:47
apwGirlyGirl, which corner did you hit18:48
GirlyGirlI hit a van18:49
jacobwHave you taken your car to a garage since the impact?18:49
GirlyGirlyes £1000 fix for the car18:50
apwbut yes, any sort of impact can affect the tracking, if its not done right you could have a lean to one side18:50
GirlyGirlwondering if I should do it18:50
jacobwWhat speed did you hit the van at?18:50
GirlyGirldon't really know18:50
jacobwDepends how much the car is worth18:51
GirlyGirlI just bought the car, it had this woolen floormat and my stiletto caught caught so I couldn't brake fast enough and I hit the van. I only bought the car a few hours earlier.18:51
davmor2GirlyGirl: take your car to a tyre place and get the tracking and wheel alignment done cost you £20ish18:51
GirlyGirldavmor2: can I do that without fixing damage18:52
GirlyGirldavmor2: let me find a picture of a similar car with damage one moment18:52
daftykinswow this channel's branching out18:53
davmor2GirlyGirl: Ah sorry I thought you had that work done,  there is no point till that work is done18:53
GirlyGirlgot to change that floor mat though don't want such a think again18:54
daftykinsyou could keep a sensible pair of shoes in the car to drive with too?18:54
GirlyGirlit looks a bit like this http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/177975511x.jpg/ but the car moves18:55
GirlyGirldaftykins: I can drive fine with low heels another floor matt will do the trick18:55
daftykinssounds unsafe to me :D18:56
GirlyGirldaftykins: its fine I can drive comfortably in them18:57
apwGirlyGirl, for real?  if it looks anything like that you'll get arrested driving it18:57
GirlyGirlin fact I find it easier to pivot18:57
GirlyGirlapw: yes but the hood is more flat down18:57
apwi'd not drive it either way18:58
popeyGirlyGirl: is that your car?18:58
GirlyGirlpopey: no18:58
GirlyGirlit was just my bad luck that the ex-owner put a woolen mat18:59
jacobwwoolen mats are safe18:59
oimon1my wife is watching twilight while i'm on the laptop and doing the washing up. it's quite possibly the worst thing i've ever laid eyes on18:59
daftykinsthat kiddy vampire film?19:00
jacobwstiletto heels are not19:00
lubotu3Here I am, brain the size of a planet and they ask me to respond to factoid requests. Call that job satisfaction? Because I don't.19:00
oimon1daftykins: the acting is terrible19:00
Azelphuroimon1: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-clv3kbbtMyw/Tc2XQZrYpuI/AAAAAAAAAqo/9gqPasMNa-0/s1600/129145980065363434.jpg19:01
* Azelphur runs19:01
GirlyGirljacobw: they are fine! its not like I take something sky high agreed with a woolen mat they are unsafe19:01
oimon1Azelphur: i don't even know much about it , except it's BAD19:01
AlanBellAzelphur: um, no, don't post that19:01
jacobwi have a team jacob mug :)19:02
oimon1video encoding takes forever on this core 2 duo :(19:02
oimon1downthrottling due to thermal overload19:02
GirlyGirljacobw: In fact the accident was the van's fault, the matt just prevented me from avoiding it. But like a fool, I mentioned my heels getting stuck and agreed to a no-insurance each fixes his/her vehicle deal19:03
oimon1sounds fair enough19:04
jacobwyeah, that was a mistake19:04
* popey boots into oneiric19:06
popeygord, apw run for you lives19:06
oimon1popey: check out the top right power button menu..kinda busy right now :)19:06
popeyi look forward to it19:07
popeyah bum19:07
popeybackup running, i just killed it19:07
popeyah well19:07
davmor2popey: HAHA!19:07
oimon1did you see the photos of the monkey that took pics of itself? i wonder if they are rotated/cropped a tad19:09
popey11.10 wont boot19:09
popeyata_id[312] HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for '/dev/sdd': Invalid argument19:09
* popey tries recovery mode19:10
oimon1popey, which machine?19:10
* popey dist-upgrades19:11
popeyyay, those packages that were borked earlier are fine now19:11
* popey reboots19:11
popeyeek, windows 719:13
popeythats unexpected19:13
popeynot seen that for a while19:15
popeyI can haz 3d accelerated desktop19:16
popeyok, what happened to CTRL+ALT+T for terminal19:17
popeywhere did the keyboard shortcuts thing go?19:17
GirlyGirlyou guys/girls like unity?19:17
popeyi find it okay19:18
MartijnVdSit works most of the time19:18
oimon1not my desktop of choice, but it could be, with a few tweaks19:18
ali1234it sucks19:18
popeynice spectrum of opinion there19:18
czajkowskipopey: it works, but slow I find I do it multiple times then it opens up19:18
oimon1i want the launcher to work more like my dock19:19
GirlyGirlI find it very uncustomisable, like you cannot make the interface how you want it .. of course I'm a kubuntu user so I shouldn't complain19:19
ali1234i want the launcher to work less like a dock19:19
ali1234because docks are the worst idea in UI design since the weird thing the archimedes used19:20
oimon1the screw?19:20
oimon1or the mirror to burn ships19:20
popeywheeee totem segfault19:20
MartijnVdSpopey: it's like that on oneiric atm19:21
MartijnVdSpopey: and vlc crashes the unity-window-decorator :)19:21
* oimon1 used to have an archimedes19:21
popeyi do love bug reports where people out themselves as having pirated movies / tv programmes19:22
popeybug 81674019:22
lubotu3Launchpad bug 816740 in totem (Ubuntu) "totem crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_name()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81674019:22
* GirlyGirl really wishes she has learnt about the incompatibility of stilettos and woollen floor-mats without an accident19:24
popeygord: no, that bug i mentioned earlier is not fixed19:25
popeybug http://www.jogglerwiki.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=19619:25
oimon1popey: they may have ripped the dvd themselves?19:25
popeydunno how that got pasted :D19:25
popeyoimon1: dont even bother19:25
popeybug 76357919:26
popeythat one19:26
lubotu3Launchpad bug 763579 in unity (Ubuntu) "Panel drop shadow causes issues for screencasting apps" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76357919:26
* popey uploads a video19:26
popeyuhm, i cant delete files in nautilus19:29
czajkowskipopey: wow you're really just breaking things today19:30
* hamitron sends popey a "newbie guide"19:30
popeywhats the gnome keyboard app thing called?19:31
popeyoh its merged with the kb applet thing19:33
GirlyGirlpopey: Why are you on 11.10 again?19:34
ali1234so does it work on nvidia yet?19:39
ali1234i mean with the proper driver, not nouveau19:41
czajkowskipopey: brave man19:41
popeythis is why my desktop has four SSDs19:41
popeyso i can multiboot and not cause aggro for other distros19:41
ali1234does it work simply because they haven't upgraded xorg yet?19:41
popeybug 82109819:41
lubotu3Launchpad bug 821098 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Cant change keyboard shortcuts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82109819:41
* popey shrugs19:41
popeyxorg 7.619:41
popeynvidia 275.09.0719:42
oimon1popey - do you have a reboot option on your machine?19:42
oimon1i only see shutdown or suspend19:42
ali1234!info xorg natty19:42
popeyi do not19:42
lubotu3xorg (source: xorg): X.Org X Window System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.6+4ubuntu3.1 (natty), package size 1 kB, installed size 44 kB19:42
ali1234!info xorg oneiric19:43
lubotu3'oneiric' is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, jaunty, jaunty-backports, jaunty-proposed, karmic, karmic-backports, karmic-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, natty, natty-backports, natty-proposed, partner, stable, testing, unstable19:43
popeylock, logout, suspend, shut down19:43
* ali1234 slaps lubotu319:43
popeyhmm, locale is busted19:45
MartijnVdS\o/ installed a "real" cert on my NAS19:50
popeywhat on earth do I do there?19:55
MartijnVdSpopey: Imagine you're back in 1968, I guess19:56
MooDoohello all19:56
MartijnVdShowdy moodooman19:56
popeyany idea what package adds teh locale stuff?19:57
MartijnVdSpopey: language-pack-*19:57
popeynice one19:58
* brobostigon returns20:01
MooDoowelcome back20:01
brobostigon:) thank you MooDoo20:01
brobostigontorchwood :)20:01
MooDoobrobostigon: not into it for some reason :S20:02
MooDooi'm trying20:02
brobostigonit is quite different to previous.20:03
brobostigonMooDoo: the previous was quite english, now, because this is partly designed by an american production company for primary broadcast in america, it does have substantial american style elements, therefore, my logic would tell me, that american style does not appeal to you.20:07
brobostigonplease tell me, if i am reading too much into it.20:10
bigcalmpopey: plug in your laptop!20:10
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: Or he doesn't like Jack :)20:11
bigcalmThe battery icon is showing an empty red battery20:11
MartijnVdSfor me too20:11
brobostigonMartijnVdS: the face of boe :)20:11
popeybigcalm: its a desktop :D20:12
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: I have a few (female) friends who almost faint when they see him... 8-)20:12
bigcalmSilly APC20:12
brobostigonMartijnVdS: cool :)20:12
bigcalmGah, that was the enter key, not backspace20:12
bigcalmSilly apci?20:12
* popey shrugs20:12
popeyGPM I guess20:12
MartijnVdSmy desktop (no UPS attached) shows a battery icon.. I guess "silly power-indicator"20:12
bigcalmMy desktop is plugged into a UPS, but it's doesn't think it's on a battery (windows did)20:13
popeygnome 3 really is properly dumbed down isnt it?20:13
popeyseems like great swathes of the UI has just been thrown away20:13
MartijnVdS"You won't need those, we know better than you"20:14
popeyby the way, pro-tip of today20:14
popeyclamp a bulldog clip to the desk, use it as a cable tidy :D20:14
* bigcalm wonders what to do with his evening (have been told not to do work)20:14
czajkowskiso you come to irc for entertainment20:14
bigcalmczajkowski: Hayley is working20:15
MartijnVdSpopey: I use binder clips at work20:15
MartijnVdSpopey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Binder_clip.JPG20:15
popeyyeah, them20:15
popeywe call them bulldog clips20:15
bigcalmMartijnVdS: That's a bulldog clip20:15
popeywhich, I'll admit is a dumb name20:15
MartijnVdSthat's a bulldog clip :)20:15
popeyThanks for the English lesson Johnny Foreigner!20:16
bigcalmBinder clips are nicer20:16
MartijnVdSpopey: "Jan de Buitenlander" then20:16
MartijnVdS14 mbit just isn't enough :(20:17
MartijnVdSwell 1520:17
MartijnVdSbut 14 effectively20:17
Azelphurexclusive leaked content from valve, http://i.imgur.com/9Kty0.png :P20:54
MartijnVdSAzelphur: haha20:56
=== hypno_ is now known as TheHypnotist
TheHypnotistanyone available to modify the events calendar21:52
AlanBellTheHypnotist: which calendar did you mean?21:52
AlanBellwrong channel21:53
AlanBellyou want #london-hack-space TheHypnotist21:54
TheHypnotistohhh hah21:54
TheHypnotistthanks, I thought it was on auto :/21:54
AlanBellnp :)21:55
locodir-user_Question 1: does anyone knows how to get rid of "unlock keyring" in chrome? I am using 11.0422:30
AlanBellhi locodir-user_22:33
AlanBellI think you have hit that issue22:35
locodir-user_Hi AlanBell. Yes, it seems the same issue, but I am kind of a newbie and didn't understand how they solve it...22:41
locodir-user_any thoughts?22:50
AlanBellum, not sure really22:51
AlanBellsomething to do with the gnome keyring and/or the chrome profile22:51
AlanBelldoes the gnome keyring thing pop up at other times?22:51
AlanBelldo you use a password to log on to your desktop or have you set it to log on automatically?22:52
AlanBellyou might want to try deleting the chrome profile or creating another one22:52
locodir-user_just when I start chrome and go to gmail. I have it to log on automatically22:53
locodir-user_i am going to try to delete chrome profile22:53
AlanBellnight all o/22:55
locodir-user_thanks Alan22:55

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