[00:08] <Azelphur> lol wow, #mysql is batshit crazy :D
[00:09] <Azelphur> I went there to ask how to take a backup without having my mysql server slow to a crawl with mysqldump
[00:11] <Azelphur> they told me to setup a separate $500 server and read a document on performance analytics and security and also to have 20 minutes downtime every hour to take backups :D
[00:15] <shauno> better get right on that then ;)
[00:15] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:15] <Azelphur> shauno: it was even more funny when one guy changed his nick to "Aze1phur" and carried on trolling the guy who was saying all the dumb shit
[00:15] <Azelphur> and he didn't even notice it wasn't me
[00:30] <shauno> not the best time to run out of coffee :/
[01:45] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgClLSPmzP4
[04:51] <harry_> hey any one with the knowledge of language selector in Ubuntu 11.04???
[05:19] <MooDoo> morning all
[05:19] <harry_> Hey MooDoo..
[05:19] <MooDoo> thought it was the only crazy fool up this early ;)
[05:20] <harry_> ya stuck in a problem frnd..
[05:21] <shauno> MooDoo, what makes you think you're not ?
[05:21] <MooDoo> shauno: lol
[05:22] <shauno> trying & failing to sneak a quick nap in before everyone else gets in
[05:23] <harry_> hey guys answer my qution first dude ..
[05:23] <MooDoo> shauno: my laddo woke up at 5 am
[05:23] <MooDoo> !ask
[05:23] <MooDoo> :)
[05:24] <shauno> MooDoo, I'm already in the office.  5am isn't early :p
[05:24] <MooDoo> shauno: late shift or very early start?
[05:24] <harry_> i have already post the qution lubotu3....okay again here....
[05:24] <shauno> early start
 hey any one with the knowledge of language selector in Ubuntu 11.04???
[05:25] <MartijnVdS> !ask | harry_
[05:25] <MooDoo> not me i'm afraid :)
[05:25] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: already did that :D
[05:25] <MartijnVdS> ah oops
[05:25] <MooDoo> harry_: are you having a problem with it?
[05:25] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I blame the fact that it's early :)
[05:25] <harry_> yup...
[05:26] <MartijnVdS> harry_: What's the problem you're having with it?
[05:27] <harry_> oky its like when i change the langauge at the time of login its not changing in the regional Fromat in ubuntu 11.04 so the locales are not getting change with it..
[05:28] <MartijnVdS> harry_: did you install the language pack first?
[05:28] <MartijnVdS> harry_: also.. "regional format"? in which programs?
[05:28] <MartijnVdS> harry_: what does "locale" say on the command line? (please use pastebin)
[05:28] <harry_> yes of-curse i did....
[05:29] <MartijnVdS> harry_: just checking :)
[05:29] <harry_> regional fromates are there in Language selector in the settings of Ubuntu
[05:29] <harry_> and locale like...
[05:30] <harry_> ~$ locale
[05:30] <harry_> LANG=en_IN.UTF-8
[05:30] <harry_> LANGUAGE=en_US:en
[05:30] <harry_> LC_CTYPE="en_IN.UTF-8"
[05:30] <harry_> LC_NUMERIC="en_IN.UTF-8"
[05:30] <harry_> LC_TIME="en_IN.UTF-8"
[05:30] <harry_> LC_COLLATE="en_IN.UTF-8"
[05:30] <harry_> LC_MONETARY="en_IN.UTF-8"
[05:30] <MartijnVdS> !pastebin | harry_
[05:30] <harry_> LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
[05:30] <harry_> LC_PAPER="en_IN.UTF-8"
[05:30] <harry_> LC_NAME="en_IN.UTF-8"
[05:30] <harry_> LC_ADDRESS="en_IN.UTF-8"
[05:30] <harry_> LC_TELEPHONE="en_IN.UTF-8"
[05:30] <harry_> LC_MEASUREMENT="en_IN.UTF-8"
[05:30] <harry_> LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_IN.UTF-8"
[05:30] <harry_> LC_ALL=
[05:34] <harry_> okay thanks man...here is the link
[05:34] <harry_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658435/
[05:43] <harry_> hello
[06:20] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:20] <popey> ali1234: tried a few dial strings, and yes it's the green and black cheapo dongle
[06:20] <popey> hi
[06:21] <popey> ali1234: tried the same dial string settings as network manager uses and that failed
[06:21] <ali1234> what colour is the LED on it?
[06:22] <ali1234> if it is green it means it is using GPRS/2G
[06:22] <ali1234> which doesn't work on 3
[06:22] <ali1234> if it is blue it is using 3G
[06:22] <popey> it flashes green on my desktop
[06:22] <popey> and works
[06:22] <popey> its a tricolour LED, Red/Green/Blue
[06:23]  * popey goes to work, will take it with me and test there
[06:23] <ging> my o2 dongle i have been told also has a purple led in it but i've never seen it
[06:24] <ali1234> maybe it's the other way around
[06:25] <ali1234> ging, you're kidding right?
[06:29] <ging> no
[06:32] <ging> it doesn't mention it at all in the manual
[06:33] <ging> but aprently it comes on if you set it to umts instead of hspda
[07:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[07:22] <shauno> o/
[07:22] <brobostigon> o/
[07:31] <dwatkins> hiya folks
[07:52] <popey> morning
[07:52] <popey> (again)
[07:52] <DJones> Morning all
[08:06] <AlanBell> morning
[08:06] <DJones> Hi AlanBell
[08:19] <AlanBell> I wish Ubuntu server was like cpanel, but not crap
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: http://www.thelmagazine.com/images/blogimages/2010/04/30/1272634254-the-wish8221-tee-509-full.jpg
[08:23] <BigRedS> AlanBell: virtualmin?
[08:24] <daubers> AlanBell: I don't think I'd care if it had a gtk based gui tbh :)
[08:24] <daubers> AlanBell: As long as it did what every other major OS does in terms of ldappy type things for office workgroups
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> LDAP shouldn't be as hard to set up as it is
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> both server AND client side
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> (fiddling with 10 config files and hoping it'll work)--
[08:27] <diplo> AlanBell, I put the same thing in the Ubuntu Server questionnaire, it's my only issue with some of my old staff to getting them to use it
[08:27] <diplo> MartijnVdS, totally agree, having lot's of issues getting a working LDAP server myself :(
[08:29] <oimon> if you're on a home network, install zimbra free version and it will do the work for you :)
[08:30] <dwatkins> People use LDAP at home?
[08:31] <popey> People use Linux at home?
[08:31] <dwatkins> I do, popey ;)
[08:31] <lightstream> doesn't everyone??
[08:32] <shauno> at home?  I don't hate myself that much :p
[08:32] <lightstream> you love bill more than you love yourself :D
[08:32]  * dwatkins notes his netbook at home is running at 60 degrees centigrade
[08:33] <oimon> shauno has an idols of jobs in the corner of his house
[08:33] <shauno> pft
[08:33] <shauno> they don't go in the corner
[08:34]  * popey tickles ali1234 
[08:34] <popey> suggestions for making this dongle work welcome
[08:34] <ali1234> well
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> popey: dongle? what kind?
[08:34] <ali1234> how did you even get openwrt to recognise it?
[08:34] <ali1234> mine has no usb drivers
[08:35] <daubers> popey: Donate one to mjg?
[08:35] <popey> i followed a guide
[08:36] <popey> one mo
[08:36] <JamesTait> Buenos dias!
[08:36] <popey> opkg update
[08:36] <popey> opkg install usbutils
[08:36] <popey> opkg install kmod-usb-serial kmod-usb2 kmod-usb-uhci kmod-usb-ohci
[08:36] <popey> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 19d2:2000 ONDA Communication S.p.A. ZTE MF627/MF628/MF628+/MF636+ HSDPA/HSUPA
[08:36] <popey> thats the device
[08:36] <popey> it works fine on desktop/laptop
[08:36] <popey> but the dialling bit fails on openwrt
[08:36] <ali1234> oh
[08:36] <ali1234> i didn't install usb-uhci
[08:36] <ali1234> i knew i forgot something
[08:37] <ali1234> opkg doesn't have them as deps cos every router needs a different one
[08:38] <ali1234> maybe you just need to set a longer timeout
[08:39]  * popey tries this
[08:40] <oimon> boarded an empty bus during rush hour this morning which didn't stop at any intermediate stops until my destination. best taxi ever \o/
[08:40] <popey> light goes green when in my laptop but red in this router
[08:40] <directhex> wife got on train this morning. it decided not to stop at oxford, and kicked everyone out in reading.
[08:40] <ali1234> red is bad
[08:40] <shauno> stuff like that almost makes me homesick
[08:40] <directhex> popey, 3g modem? does it need usb modeswitch?
[08:41] <popey> it has that directhex
[08:41] <popey> it switches from 19d2:2000 to 19d2:0031
 Bus 001 Device 002: ID 19d2:2000 ONDA Communication S.p.A. ZTE MF627/MF628/MF628+/MF636+ HSDPA/HSUPA
[08:41] <ali1234> this is the chat script i used to use to do this on white russian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/658515/
[08:41] <popey> directhex: that was a paste from earlier
[08:42] <directhex> popey, firmware files? i needed firmware to use my laptop's 3g
[08:42] <daubers> directhex: There's a nice cafe in Reading town centre that does salady type nommy food in a box
[08:42] <directhex> daubers, great - but she needs to be in the office in oxford.
[08:42] <bigcalm> Hallo peoples :)
[08:43] <popey> directhex: didnt know it needed firmware
[08:43] <daubers> directhex: Nobody needs that really :)
[08:43] <popey> directhex: any idea where from / what it is?
[08:43] <shauno> snacks > office
[08:43] <popey> i.e. can i grab it from /lib/firmware somewhere
[08:44] <directhex> popey, i'm not sure if it *does* need firmware, just offing suggestions
[08:45] <popey> ah ok
[08:45] <ali1234> it doesn't
[08:46] <directhex> i wonder if orange will do me a deal on mobile broadbean for my laptop
[08:46] <directhex> i use a Three sim right now, via PAYG
[08:47] <ali1234> popey: did you unlock it?
[08:48] <ali1234> popey: are you using the correct tty?
[08:48] <ali1234> there's thee
[08:48] <ali1234> you have to use the right one
[08:50] <ali1234> you have three ports 0,1,2
[08:50] <ali1234> 1 and 2 accept at commands
[08:50] <popey> i havent unlocked it
[08:50] <popey> i must be using the right tty, the chat script partially works
[08:50] <popey> i get responses
[08:51] <popey> its just the connect that fails
[08:51] <ali1234> but only one of them will emit ppp
[08:51] <ali1234> that is expected if you use the wrong one
[08:51] <ali1234> the ppp packets will start appearing on the other tty
[08:51] <directhex> hmph, i pay £10 for 1 gig of data on Three, with 1 month expiry, on PAYG. Orange charge £15 for that on a contract basis, with £5 off for existing customers. Net saving: 0.
[08:51] <popey> ok
[08:52]  * popey reboots it
[08:52] <popey> ooo
[08:52] <ali1234> directhex: the same as what i pay except i can also make phone calls and they gave me a free phone too
[08:52] <popey> green light
[08:52] <popey> not red
[08:52] <ali1234> green is wrong
[08:52] <ali1234> it should be blue
[08:52] <bigcalm> Hehe
[08:52] <popey> i never see blue
[08:52] <ali1234> green means "initializing"
[08:52] <popey> bah, red
[08:52] <ali1234> i only see blue when i use a genuine three sim
[08:52] <directhex> ali1234, i'm talking data SIMs here, not phones
[08:53] <ali1234> directhex: yes
[08:53] <directhex> why do i want to make phone calls from my laptop?
[08:54] <ali1234> the question you should actually ask is "why am i paying twice when i could just use 1 sim for everything"
[08:55] <ali1234> popey: actually red might be good
[08:55] <popey> hah
[08:55] <ali1234> anyway try the other tty
[08:55] <ali1234> and try increasing the timeout as in the paste
[08:55] <shauno> now that's an epic plot twist
[08:56] <bigcalm> Damn you VirginMedia caching DNS. The rest of the world can see this new subdomain, wake up!
[08:56] <popey> tried all 3 ttys
[08:58] <gord> bigcalm, can you not just use 8.8.8.8 instead?
[09:00] <bigcalm> gord: I could I guess
[09:00] <bigcalm> What's Google's 2nd name server?
[09:00] <gord> setting up google dns is part of my router setup process these days :)
[09:00] <gord> 8.8.4.4
[09:01] <bigcalm> That's the rub. Can't alter the DNS on the VM superhub
[09:01] <gord> sounds anything but super...
[09:01] <bigcalm> I think it's meant to be sarcastic
[09:02] <oimon> is the htc desire S exactly the same shape/size as the desire? buying a phone case.
[09:02] <diplo> Any one recommend a cheapish router for dd-wrt, one popey got is a slight bit expensive for me :/
[09:02] <popey> ali1234: tried pretty much your paste
[09:03] <popey> but it still fails to do anything after sending the ATD
[09:03] <popey> expect (CONNECT)
[09:03] <popey> then a delay then 'alarm' 'failed'
[09:03] <bigcalm> diplo: my dd-wrt flashed router is still for sale now popey doesn't need it
[09:04] <diplo> Wat model bigcalm and how much ?
[09:04] <diplo> Using sky,and the router supplied is a tad rubbish :(
[09:05] <bigcalm> Linksys WRT320N 40 quid (if you're going to oggcamp)
[09:05] <popey> ali1234: what do you have in /etc/config/network for your ppp0?
[09:05] <directhex> routers are all rubbish.
[09:05] <ali1234> nothing
[09:05] <ali1234> white russian doesn't use /etc/config
[09:05] <popey> ah
[09:06] <gord> i fixed my routers 20kb/s download speed over wifi last night by turning off QoS =\ weird stuff
[09:06] <bigcalm> diplo: Oh, if you want to replace your ADSL modem/router, I also have a Netgear DG834N (no idea if it will take dd-wrt though)
[09:08]  * apw idly notes that the loco wiki says the next meeting is on the 23rd of july
[09:10] <bigcalm> aquarius: now that you have your stuff back, have you tried the network ports on the router?
[09:10] <aquarius> bigcalm, not yet, although I'm gonna
[09:10] <bigcalm> K
[09:11] <diplo> Doesnt look like the DG is supported bigcalm, will have a think about the other one thanks
[09:14] <popey> BAH!
[09:14] <popey> gcom -d /dev/ttyUSB* gives SIM ERROR
[09:14] <popey> btu this works on my laptop
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: SIM ERROR means you need to enter a PIN maybe?
[09:15] <popey> network manager shows no PIN
[09:15] <popey> what would the PIN be?
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: or maybe the USB port on the device doesn't provide enough juice?
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: 0000? 1234? whatever the PIN on the SIM is
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: stick it in a phone and find out :)
[09:16] <ali1234> how did you get it to work on ubuntu?
[09:16] <ali1234> i get exactly the same as on openwrt: plug it in, get three tty, nothing else happens
[09:20] <popey> on ubuntu i just used the Network Manager wizard
[09:21] <popey> it asks what country, network and thats it
[09:22] <directhex> NM is nice for 3g
[09:23] <ali1234> yeah but how do i get to the wizard?
[09:23] <popey> plug dongle in, wait, it shows up in nm
[09:24] <ali1234> no, it doesn't
[09:24] <popey> as a new device, click it the wizard starts, well, does here
[09:24] <popey> the other option is nm -> edit connections -> mobile broadband
[09:24] <ali1234> yeah there's nothing in there
[09:24] <popey> yeah, it only appears in there after you run the wizard
[09:24] <popey> or if you manually add new device
[09:24] <ali1234> your apn should be "3internet" according to this
[09:24] <ali1234> not "three.co.uk"
[09:24] <popey> yup
[09:24] <popey> tried both
[09:25] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:26] <ali1234> oh, look at that
[09:26] <ali1234> it woks
[09:26] <ali1234> now the light is flashing blue
[09:26] <ali1234> i have an ip and everything
[09:26] <popey> heh
[09:26] <ali1234> so, you must use ttyUSB2
[09:27] <ali1234> you must manually write gprs config in /etc/ppp/peers
[09:27] <ali1234> then you must write connect and disconnect scripts
[09:27] <ali1234> and then it works
[09:27] <ali1234> (on ubuntu)
[09:27] <ali1234> ttyUSB1 didn't work... it got to dialing then just never connected
[09:28] <ali1234> interesting that the sim card still works
[09:28] <ali1234> i haven't touched this thing since i bought it
[09:28] <popey> heh
[09:30] <ali1234> oh and my apn "internet"
[09:31] <ali1234> ok, identical pppd config works on openwrt in an identical manner
[09:31] <ali1234> and you would expect really
[09:32] <popey> bah
[09:32] <popey> what am I doing wrong ☹
[09:32] <ali1234> what version of openwrt are you using?
[09:32] <popey> bleeding edge
[09:32] <ali1234> oh
[09:32] <ali1234> well that's your first mistake
[09:32] <popey> lol
[09:32] <ali1234> openwrt trunk won't even boot on my hardware
[09:33] <popey> r27832
[09:33] <ali1234> unless you have some router that is only supported in trunk, use backfire
[09:34] <popey> i think i do
[09:34] <popey> the 3700v2 apparently only works on very recent
[09:36] <AlanBell> http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/public-sector/3295032/nhs-fears-multibillion-pound-npfit-legal-fight-with-bt-csc-and-fujitsu/ and you thought public sector IT contracts couldn't be worse
[09:37] <popey> ttyusb2 is less useful than 1, i get no responses at all
[09:37] <ali1234> reboot the modem
[09:38] <popey> i did
[09:38] <shauno> this is probbly why we have battleships running on nt4.  cheaper to build new ships, than to tender a software contract
[09:38] <ali1234> it tends to crash if you attempt to ppp on usb1
[09:41] <ali1234> popey: this is my full config http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/gprs.tar.gz
[09:43] <popey> it doesnt seem to like it if I specify a pincode 0000 or 1234, "Failed to set the PIN code"
[09:43] <popey> now I'm getting zero response from the chat script
[09:44] <ali1234> so put the sim in a phone
[09:44] <popey> i dont have a phone that will take a conventional sim ☺
[09:45] <bigcalm> Well, if you will use an iPhone :P
[09:45] <ali1234> derp
[09:45] <popey> :D
[09:45] <popey> i see on openwrt doc which says it _must_ have a pin
[09:46] <ali1234> well that's not true at all
[09:46] <ali1234> mine doesn't have a pin and it works fine
[09:46] <popey> and i dont specify a pin on ubuntu
[09:46] <ali1234> i suggest you do this
[09:46] <popey> losing the will to live with this
[09:46] <ali1234> take my gprs config ^
[09:46] <ali1234> put it on ubuntu and see if it works
[09:46] <ali1234> without any NM rubbish
[09:47] <popey> where does that go?
[09:47] <popey> in /etc/ppp ?
[09:47] <ali1234> /etc/ppp/peers
[09:47] <popey> ok
[09:47] <ali1234> ten pppd call gprs
[09:47] <ali1234> as root
[09:47] <ali1234> probably
[09:47] <popey> ok
[09:48] <ali1234> if it works on ubuntu it should work on openwrt too
[09:48] <ali1234> if it doesn't work on ubuntu then there's something different about your dongle, probably because it isn't unlocked
[09:49] <ali1234> if it works on ubuntu and not openwrt then the problem is you are using trunk, or it just don't work right on your router
[09:49] <ali1234> also if it doesn't work on ubuntu it can be your sim card
[09:49] <popey> ok, config copied
[09:49] <ali1234> i will try using my other sim...
[09:50] <ali1234> when you use ubuntu and it "works" what does the led do?
[09:50] <popey> that script works
[09:50] <popey> flashy green light
[09:50] <ali1234> NO green is wrong
[09:51] <ali1234> it should be blue
[09:51] <ali1234> mine is blue
[09:51] <popey> well, i have a 10. ip from it
[09:51] <ali1234> ok its working then
[09:51] <ali1234> ok... i put in my tmo sim
[09:52] <ali1234> i got a red light
[09:52] <ali1234> and then i connected and i got a red flashy light
[09:52] <ali1234> ah
[09:52] <ali1234> i think the unlocked firmware has different colour leds
[09:52] <popey> ah
[09:52] <popey> makes sense
[09:52] <ali1234> anyway, flashing is always good
[09:52] <popey> this is blinking away
[09:52] <popey> :D
[09:53] <popey> ok, so we've established one fact. Flashing is _good_
[09:53] <ali1234> yeah because normally on three, you get green led = 3g connection
[09:53] <ali1234> cos the whole thing is green and black after all
[09:53] <ali1234> but that's on three's locked firmware
[09:53] <ali1234> on the unlocked one, 3g = blue led
[09:53] <ali1234> anyway that is irrelevant
[09:54] <ali1234> so, now copy those files onto the openwrt, in the exact same place, and do the exact same thing
[09:55] <popey> hmmm
[09:55] <popey> ok
[09:55] <ali1234> hmm interesting, on openwrt my tmo sim gives a blue led
[09:55] <popey> do i need to remove ppp0 from /etc/config/network ?
[09:56] <ali1234> and it fails to connect
[09:56] <ali1234> no, i shouldn't think so
[09:57] <ali1234> ok, second attempt and it worked
[09:58] <ali1234> i'm going to put that down to flaky signal
[09:59] <popey> hmm, if I plug the modem in, its going to try to dial automatically
[09:59] <ali1234> in what?
[09:59] <ali1234> in to openwrt?
[09:59] <popey> openwrt
[09:59] <popey> yeah
[09:59] <ali1234> why would it do that?
[09:59] <popey> it auto connects
[09:59] <popey> well, tries
[09:59] <ali1234> mine doesn't
[09:59] <popey> so I'll remove ppp0 from /etc/config/network then
[09:59] <popey> so it doesnt
[09:59] <ali1234> if you insist :)
[09:59] <popey> haha
[10:00] <popey> right, plugged in
[10:00] <popey> red light
[10:00] <popey> light off
[10:00] <daubers> popey: Isn't there an option in that file to not autoconnect?
[10:00] <popey> red light again
[10:00] <popey> green light
[10:01] <popey> pppd call gprs does nothing
[10:01] <ali1234> set permissions
[10:01] <ali1234> on the chat scripts
[10:01] <ali1234> they have to be executable
[10:01] <popey> ahh
[10:02] <popey> ok, pppd call gprs just sits there then returns
[10:02] <popey> no chatter
[10:02] <ali1234> yeah the openwrt one doesn't do debug
[10:02] <ali1234> it should never return though
[10:02] <ali1234> also, light off = attempting to dial
[10:02] <ali1234> so you failed to disable that
[10:02] <ali1234> and it's probably what is messing it up
[10:03] <ali1234> also another thing, i think the reason mine doesn't trigger auto dialing is because when i plug it in, it defaults to modem mode
[10:03] <ali1234> i don't need any of the modeswitch nonsense
[10:03] <popey> script /etc/ppp/peers/gprs-connect-chat finished status = 0x3
[10:03] <ali1234> there's an AT command which sets the default mode
[10:03] <davmor2> morning all
[10:03] <popey> connect script failed
[10:03] <davmor2> hey MooDoo I'm up too now :D
[10:04] <ali1234> so
[10:04] <ali1234> openwrt claims that the device must have a pin?
[10:04] <ali1234> so maybe their autodialler *always* tries to send a pin
[10:04] <ali1234> and that messes it up
[10:04] <popey> the autodialler didnt kick in
[10:04] <ali1234> it did
[10:04] <ali1234> the light went out
[10:05] <popey> no that was usbmodeswitch
[10:05] <ali1234> hmm
[10:06] <ali1234> well, i dunno
[10:06] <ali1234> all i can suggest is flashing it with the unlocked firmware
[10:06] <popey> is that straightforward?
[10:06] <ali1234> no
[10:06] <popey> ah
[10:06] <popey> :D
[10:07] <ali1234> you need windows and some qualcomm engineering mode software
[10:07] <ali1234> qpst i think it's called
[10:07] <popey> i have windows
[10:08] <popey> http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/f25/zte-mf626-unlock-free-806533/
[10:08] <shauno> this is making's NM's "ireland, O2, kthxbye" dongle setup look pretty space-age
[10:09] <popey> very much so
[10:10] <ali1234> well hey, mine works fine
[10:11] <ali1234> oh, i just found my notes from when i was doing al this
[10:12] <ali1234> http://pastebin.com/L9x9tAqH
[10:12] <ali1234> see about the AT+ZCDRUN command
[10:12] <ali1234> try disabling that so you don't need usb mode switch
[10:13] <ali1234> that might be messing it up
[10:14] <popey> ok
[10:14] <ali1234> that is, send AT+ZCDRUN=8
[10:14] <ali1234> then reboot everything and try again
[10:15] <popey> so add that to gprs-connect-chat?
[10:18] <oimon> linus has a rant about gnome3: https://plus.google.com/106327083461132854143/posts/SbnL3KaVRtM
[10:19] <ali1234> popey: no, you only have to run it once and the dongle will stay in modem mode forever
[10:19] <ali1234> just send it with picocom
[10:19] <popey> thats hard, i dont have picocom installed and its hard to get the device online right now
[10:20] <ali1234> plug it in to ubuntu?
[10:20] <popey> oh i see
[10:21] <ali1234> it's a setting stored in the dongle nvram
[10:21] <ali1234> so it's remembered no matter what
[10:21] <ali1234> until you change the value to something else
[10:22] <ali1234> oimon: as usual he's spot on :)
[10:22] <oimon> on this occasion yes
[10:22] <oimon> not always though :P
[10:23] <ali1234> well, i have never seen him write anything that wasn't deadly accurate :)
[10:23] <oimon> his comments about debian and ubuntu
[10:23] <ali1234> what did he say about them?
[10:23] <ali1234> i mean which thing in particular was wrong?
[10:24] <oimon> "I always felt that Debian was a pointless exercise because to me, the point of a distribution is to make everything easy."
[10:24] <ali1234> lol
[10:25] <ali1234> accurate
[10:25] <oimon> debian had not been difficult to install for years
[10:25] <ali1234> if debian wanted their distro to be easy to use, they wouldn't have built it entirely out of perl
[10:25] <ali1234> he's not talking about installation
[10:25] <ali1234> he's a developer, you can assume he's talking about the build system
[10:26] <oimon> ..he point of a distribution is to make everything easy. Easy to install, to be pretty and to be friendly and Ubuntu did that to Debian
[10:26] <ali1234> cdbs is not known for being user friendly
[10:26] <oimon> i do think that he tried debian a quillion years ago and thought that it hadn't moved
[10:26] <popey> GNNNNNNNN
[10:26] <ali1234> GNNNNNNNN?
[10:27] <popey> plug into ubuntu and I have no /dev/ttyUSB*
[10:27] <oimon> popey has just burst a blood vessel
[10:27] <ali1234> well you done it wrong then
[10:27] <popey> yes, i plugged a usb device into a usb port wrong
[10:27] <ali1234> lol
[10:27] <Laney> linus should stick to developing a kernel K THX BYE
[10:27] <ali1234> anyway isn't that what is supposed to happen?
[10:27] <popey> oh
[10:27] <popey> i did do it wrong
[10:27] <ali1234> you don't get ttyUSB until usbmodeswitch runs
[10:27] <popey> I didnt push it fully :D
[10:28] <ali1234> lol
[10:28] <ali1234> srsly?
[10:28] <popey> I suck, yes
[10:28] <daubers> popey: Must be time for cake
[10:28] <popey> it's an Asus 1008HA which has silly ports
[10:28] <popey> OH LOOK! TTYUSB ports!
[10:29] <oimon> lols
[10:29] <popey> "Close autorun state result(0:FAIL 1:SUCCESS):1
[10:29] <popey> thats good, right?
[10:29]  * czajkowski hands popey a large mug of tea and a marmite sandwich for mid morning snack 
[10:30] <ali1234> yeah that means... it set the close autorun state :)
[10:30] <oimon> i have a mozzy bite that's taken over 1/2 of my arm
[10:30] <popey> so powering up device I see green light
[10:30] <popey> this is good
[10:31] <ali1234> is it?
[10:31] <ali1234> does network manager notice it now?
[10:31] <popey> its in the router now
[10:32] <popey> pppd call gprs fails still
[10:34] <popey> bored of this game now ☺
[10:36] <popey> thanks for your help ali1234
[10:48]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski a found good morning
[10:50]  * czajkowski yawns and stabs daubers 
[10:51]  * czajkowski yawns and stabs davmor2 
[10:51]  * czajkowski hands daubers cake 
[10:51] <davmor2> czajkowski: Muhahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahaha  I got daubers stabbed by czajkowski cause of tab
[10:52]  * daubers looks confused and eats a mars bar at all of you
[10:54] <davmor2> morning daubers
[10:54] <dwatkins> collateral damage
[10:54] <davmor2> czajkowski: here have a fluffy bunny
[10:54]  * BigRedS sees daubers' mars bar and raises him a coffee and a biscuit
[10:59] <shauno> \o/ just got a call back for an interview.  trying not to dance too visibly :D
[11:01] <selinuxium> shauno, Congrats  :)
[11:04] <dwatkins> nice one, shauno :) hope all goes well
[11:05] <czajkowski> shauno: congrats , where
[11:05] <davmor2> shauno: Congrats
[11:05] <shauno> still in galway.  pretty much a sideways move, to a company that's a lot more interesting
[11:06] <shauno> been thru so many screening interviews that I'm actually stoked to get to finally meet humans
[11:31] <AlanBell> daubers: do you have a gigabit switch to bring along?
[11:47] <daubers> AlanBell: I can do
[11:48] <czajkowski> just over a week t go :)
[11:49] <AlanBell> daubers: cool, I can get a little 8 port one for not much, but if you have one handy that would be awesome
[11:49] <daubers> AlanBell: Yup, got a 48 port one I can borrow
[11:49] <AlanBell>  wow :)
[11:50] <daubers> AlanBell: i'm essentially bringing my testing gear :)
[11:52] <oimon> doh, bought my lunch from sainsburys this morning and it's out of date :(
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> oimon: by how much?
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> oimon: and what is it?
[12:10] <popey> "Best before" != "Poisonous after"
[12:10] <oimon> MartijnVdS: 1 day, ready meal
[12:11] <oimon> however its law not to sell out of date goods
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> popey: products should have a "Poisonous after" date on them
[12:11] <oimon> tomato+cheese pasta dish
[12:11] <popey> pfffft
[12:11] <popey> nanny state
[12:11] <oimon> i've eaten it, but the cheese tasted a bit hmm
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> oimon: microwave? then you'll be fine
[12:11] <popey> the cheese tasted a bit hmm because it was a ready meal :D
[12:12] <oimon> still a bit "cheesed" off. i always look at the dates but i thought it was the 2nd aug today :(
[12:18]  * oimon looks at his google+ feed and it's full of popey and nobody else...doesn't seem to be taking off amongst my peers
[12:20] <popey> invite more peers?
[12:23] <selinuxium> Must admit that I see my google+ stream is full of tech heads rather than other archetypes.
[12:23] <selinuxium> And I have invited none tech peers..
[12:24] <brobostigon> me too,
[12:24] <oimon> also, it is mostly regurtitated tweets anyway until G+ gains  more traction
[12:25] <czajkowski> I've really not seen any advantage to it yet
[12:25] <brobostigon> i would say the only non tech, on my google+ is my mum.
[12:25] <oimon> also , i don't like seeing stuff from techies that isn't technical, e.g. politics, religion
[12:26] <oimon> for example if i subscribe to linus torvalds, i want linux, not holiday photos
[12:29] <BigRedS> Then you want blogs rather than social networking, surely?
[12:29] <BigRedS> or newsfeeds or something. Something that's not basically a place to talk about holiday photos :)
[12:29] <oimon> i want google+ being used properly :)
[12:30] <bigcalm> Who is to say how it should be used?
[12:31]  * Laney starts following brobostigon's mum
[12:31] <popey> o_O
[12:31] <oimon> i would hope that the targeted status updates are the USP of Google+
[12:31] <Laney> that would mean he has to categorise you
[12:32] <oimon> on a different subject, i have a folder in ubuntu one folder which is showing the refreshing icon, but u1sdtool thinks it is up to date. website doesn't show the file - how can i fix?
[12:33] <popey> ---> #ubuntuone
[12:34] <BigRedS> yeah, you want some way of categorising yourself in the feeds of someone who might not be particularly interested in you...
[12:36] <oimon> like tags/categories
[12:36] <oimon> or like gmail labels :)
[12:36] <bigcalm> A new DMSB! \o/
[12:38] <daubers> Are any of the novacut people going to oggcamp?
[12:39] <popey> unlikely they're US based
[12:39] <daubers> Just had a brief look at dmedia..... I think they've missed an important point
[12:40] <daubers> Mainly 99.9% of machines won't have drives that can cope with some of the codecs used in the professionaly market
[12:41] <shauno> for G+ .. I think geeks just want to turn 'circles' into 'venns'
[12:43] <BigRedS> hah, yeah. I'd quite like to use intersections...
[12:45] <daubers> AlanBell: I did think of one issue we may have
[12:46] <daubers> AlanBell: I think you need a tool to get the video files off these video cameras SD cards (it does some magic compression)
[12:46] <popey> well that sucks
[12:46] <popey> :D
[12:46] <daubers> popey: Means you can fit 10x more stuff on an SD card
[12:47] <daubers> I'll prep up my mac mini just in case
[12:48] <AlanBell> ooh, ok
[12:49] <daubers> Also, can't have SDHC cards for the two I'm getting :( People I'm borrowing them from don't have anywhere to ditch the footage thats on them
[12:49] <AlanBell> ok, what spec do they need for 1 hour footage?
[12:50] <andrewebdev> I have an idea for a new feature in Unity, where can I post that Idea for the devs?
[12:50] <daubers> They think their 64GB cards would hold 6 hours
[12:50] <AlanBell> !unity
[12:51] <AlanBell> andrewebdev: start at unity.ubuntu.com, there is an ideas page on the wiki
[12:51] <andrewebdev> ok thx
[12:51] <AlanBell> daubers: so 16GB class 6 would be good?
[12:51] <daubers> AlanBell: I'd get class 10 if possible
[12:52] <daubers> AlanBell: You really don't want slow media in these things
[12:54] <daubers> Class 6 can only write at 6MB/s guarenteed, which is a bit close if you do some HD stuff
[12:54] <AlanBell> http://www.ebuyer.com/270747-verbatim-securedigital-sdhc-class10-16gb-43962
[12:56] <daubers> Whats the cost difference to class 6? Can't be much?
[12:57] <daubers> Also...what? "SDHC Cards use a FAT32file system, a specification that was established for applications with higher capacity needs and are especially suitable for high-quality video."
[12:57] <AlanBell> hardly anything, but there are more options at class 6
[12:57] <daubers> AlanBell: I'd go for class 10, the class just dictates the _minimum_ required write speed
[12:57] <AlanBell> yes, and the "8 hours" printed on it
[12:57] <AlanBell> that one is class 10
[12:58] <daubers> Yeah. The people I speak to who use these things always say class 10. Have you got a class 6 card around?
[12:59] <AlanBell> http://www.ebuyer.com/search?page=1&sort=popularity&limit=10&store=33&cat=36&filtersubcat=446&filterea10=16GB several there
[13:00] <AlanBell> I do have a class 6 card here, formatted as ext4
[13:01] <daubers> AlanBell: The math suggests a class 6 should do
[13:01] <daubers> I think I have a class 6 at home for my DSLR, so shall do a test tomorrow
[13:01] <AlanBell> however I want to get the data off them fast
[13:01] <AlanBell>  Timing buffered disk reads:  48 MB in  3.05 seconds =  15.72 MB/sec
[13:02] <AlanBell> that is the read speed using hdparm -tT /dev/sdb which is a class 6 SD card
[13:02] <daubers> AlanBell: That should be ok
[13:02] <daubers> AlanBell: Though writing is more important
[13:02] <daubers> as it's the camera getting the video on the disk is more important
[13:03] <AlanBell> writing has to be "fast enough", reading is as fast as it can go
[13:03] <daubers> Yeah
[13:05] <AlanBell> ok, so that verbatim one looks good to me, I will get a stack of them
[13:05] <daubers> cool
[13:07] <daubers> popey: I see the podcast made the lausoft website http://clausoft.co.uk/
[13:07] <popey> oh?
[13:07] <popey> ooo
[13:07] <popey> its not a bad little device
[13:08] <popey> very nice of them to let us give it away
[13:08] <daubers> does it play minecraft?
[13:10]  * apw finds their website very confusing
[13:10] <apw> it seems as if they only have second-hand white ones?
[13:11] <gord> the 90's taught me not to buy white plastic components ;)
[13:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [iain woz ere] Farewell, UCycle! - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2011/08/farewell-ucycle/
[13:32] <shauno> I discovered that putting plastic components in the washing machine works surprisingly well
[13:33] <shauno> much easier than trying to find out where to buy retrobite
[13:37] <davmor2> Daviey: is the server backup still recommending a shell script or is there some software specific to server being added, out of curiosity?
[13:41] <Daviey> davmor2: not currently on the roadmap, personal preference is rsnapshot
[13:41] <Daviey> afk
[13:58] <AlanBell> so what is a good export setting in OpenShot for uploading video?
[14:03] <dogmatic69> is there something like pastebinit for screenshots?
[14:04] <DJones> !imagebin
[14:04] <dogmatic69> no
[14:04] <DJones> Ah sorry, pastebinit rather than just a pasebin site
[14:04] <dogmatic69> cat /path/to/image.png | screenshotit -
[14:04] <dogmatic69> something like that
[14:04] <shauno> that's you telt
[14:04] <DJones> Heh
[14:05] <dogmatic69> ye
[14:05] <DJones> Can't say I've heard of anything like that
[14:05] <shauno> it's not quite what you're asking for at all, but I set the output path for my screenshots, to my dropbox/Public dir.  turns the built-in functionality into insta-uploads
[14:06] <dogmatic69> shauno: then you need to open dropbox to see the link
[14:07] <shauno> I'm sure you could botch around that.  I think the dl.dropbox.com/blahblah/ part is user-specific.  so you just need to tack the filename on the end
[14:07] <shauno> but yeah.  as I said, not really what you're looking for.  but comes in handy for me
[14:08] <dogmatic69> possibly
[14:59] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a7m8c5pNAo does that video look acceptable? it is quite a low bitrate
[15:00] <dogmatic69> :D
[15:00] <popey> wont play here
[15:00] <dogmatic69> works for me
[15:00] <popey> (no flash)
[15:00] <dogmatic69> looks reasonable too
[15:01] <popey> what export settings from pitivi did you use AlanBell ?
[15:01] <AlanBell> openshot
[15:02] <AlanBell> PAL square widescreen, video bitrate 384kbit/s mpeg2
[15:02] <popey> eww
[15:02] <gord> so mpeg2 has problems that you can't really get around no matter how high the bitrate
[15:02] <gord> you'll get better quality if you encode to mp4 (h264) at the same bitrate
[15:02] <popey> yup
[15:02] <AlanBell> ok
[15:02] <popey> h264 and 720p
[15:02] <popey> assuming source is 720p
[15:02] <popey> PAL will downscale it
[15:03] <oimon> any puppet users in here? #puppet isn't helping
[15:03] <AlanBell> it isn't, it is PAL widescreen
[15:03] <popey> also if you use h264 then I believe the html5 renderer will work
[15:03] <popey> i.e. people wont need flash to watch it :D
[15:06] <AlanBell> ok
[15:06] <AlanBell> I am trying to find a reasonable compromise of quality, encode time and upload time
[15:09] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: the answer is better internet :D
[15:09] <popey> I dont think upload time should be a factor
[15:09] <popey> if it takes 20 years to upload, it will be better than last year :D
[15:10] <czajkowski> stupid hoops one has to jump through *mutters*
[15:11] <AlanBell> dogmatic69: I got better internet, 1.6MB upload speed
[15:11] <oimon> i decided i hate video format and encoding
[15:11] <oimon> having a right palaver with a scratched dvd
[15:11] <oimon> it's not worth the time and effort
[15:20] <AlanBell> hmm, h.264 at 720p is a 152MB file for 5 minutes of video
[15:20] <AlanBell> so about 3GB for an hour
[15:21]  * popey checks his h264 video
[15:21] <AlanBell> and the audio didn't work
[15:23] <popey> i use ffmpeg for my encoding
[15:23] <popey> makes smaller videos than that
[15:29] <kazade> afternoon all
[15:40] <popey> gord: any chance the drop shadow on the top panel in Unity in 11.10 will be done differently?
[15:40] <popey> having it as an overlay on top is a bit detrimental
[15:41] <gord> popey, how so?
[15:41] <popey> record a screencast with it enabled
[15:41] <popey> it knackers the video as it keeps getting redrawn on top of windows
[15:41] <gord> popey, have you tested that with 11.10? i thought that stuff had been fixed..
[15:41] <popey> bug 764579
[15:42] <popey> oh
[15:42] <popey> bug 763579
[15:42] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/763579/+attachment/2053354/+files/110417-135017-screencast.ogv
[15:42] <popey> i have not because I can't get 11.10 working with nvidia on my desktop!
[15:42] <popey> will try tonight though
[15:42] <gord> great, because that should be fixed :)
[15:43]  * oimon is riding the oneiric merry go round of wondering what will be on the power button menu today
[15:43] <popey> what should be fixed?
[15:43] <popey> nvidia or the panel shadow?
[15:43] <oimon> today it's everything and the kitchen sink, except for "reboot"
[15:43] <gord> popey, all the corruption, nvidia never stopped working...
[15:43]  * gord has been running 11.10 with nvidia for months
[15:43] <popey> hmm
[15:43] <popey> okay will try harder
[15:44] <popey> is there a meta package for unity 3d?
[15:44] <popey> i can only get unity 2d working
[15:44] <popey> it never boots to 3d
[15:44] <gord> ubuntu-desktop? ;)
[15:44] <apw> popey, isn't that just ubuntu-desktop^
[15:44]  * popey shrugs
[15:44] <gord> or unity should bring in what you need
[15:44] <apw> as in apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[15:44] <apw> which will install recommends: which have gotten lost
[15:44] <popey> actually I can chroot it from here and update it
[15:45] <Laney> what does the ^ do?
[15:45]  * Laney bad developer
[15:45] <WorMzy> Indicates a tasksel group
[15:46] <Laney> this is different from the meta package how?
[15:47] <popey> works nicely
[15:47] <Laney> treats everything as depends?
[15:47] <popey> good for people who remove stuff
[15:47] <popey> good for putting bits back that people yank rather
[15:47] <popey> 285 upgraded, 10 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[15:47] <popey> hehe, not updated my 11.10 system recently there :D
[15:51] <bigcalm> I'm currently using the "classic" gnome desktop, will I lose it come 12.04?
[15:51] <Laney> there's a gnome fallback desktop
[15:52] <bigcalm> I actually want to keep my layout
[15:52] <AlanBell> bigcalm: that will probably be clarified at UDS
[15:52] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[15:52] <bigcalm> But nothing crazy is happening in 11.10 I take it?
[15:52] <popey> define $crazy
[15:53] <bigcalm> :D
[15:53] <Laney> metacity still exists
[15:53] <bigcalm> Enforcing Unity
[15:55] <oimon> how well does the gnome shell fallback work?
[15:55] <oimon> i'm not perverse enough to load fedora on my box to try it
[16:04] <bigcalm> Slightly annoying that the "Post to: twitter" box in the user thing doesn't show the insert carrot
[16:06] <AlanBell> gah, why am I bouncing in and out?
[16:09] <AlanBell> you mean caret?
[16:09] <bigcalm> Most likely :)
[16:11] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658717/
[16:11] <popey> i blame apw for that :D
[16:12] <bigcalm> Living on the edge!
[16:12] <popey> been sat there for 30 mins
[16:12] <apw> popey, is that oneiric (assume so) ?
[16:12] <krimzon2> I wonder if I can implement a tree-style-tab style sidebar for all windows in gnome 3
[16:12] <popey> yes
[16:12] <popey> chrooted from natty
[16:13] <apw> i known dkms is borked there
[16:13] <popey> aha
[16:13]  * popey ctrl+c's that
[16:13] <popey> progress
[16:13] <apw> but, ... that looks like its at the update-grub phase
[16:13] <bigcalm> What's the biggest benefit of 3 over 2.6?  When we went from 2.4 to 2.6, the biggest change was iptables over ipchains
[16:13]  * popey hugs ssd
[16:13] <popey> bigcalm: nothing
[16:13] <apw> bigcalm, none, it was purely cause linus cannot count >39
[16:13] <bigcalm> Haha
[16:13] <apw> i
[16:14] <apw> oh an he wanted to make my life a misery for a few weeks fixing all the fallout
[16:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Iain Cuthbertson] Fixing odd characters - http://www.myrant.net/2011/08/04/fixing-odd-characters/
[16:15] <directhex> bigcalm, ipchains was 2.2
[16:15] <directhex> bigcalm, he biggest changes in 2.6 were in the threading model - nptl
[16:20] <AlanBell> ok, h.264 at a video bit rate of 1.25Mb/sec at NTSC widescreen (480 vertical) seems to be a decent option to me
[16:20] <AlanBell> 10MB for 1 minute of video
[16:20] <AlanBell> looks like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSpPOVMwN9o
[16:20] <bigcalm> Never The Same Colour
[16:20] <popey> also, do two-pass h264 encoding
[16:21] <popey> why 480?
[16:21] <popey> oh, source is PAL?
[16:22] <AlanBell> because youtube does 480
[16:22] <AlanBell> bigcalm: yes, but in this context ntsc is just a resolution
[16:22] <popey> youtube does way more than 480
[16:23] <AlanBell> 1280x720 is just huge though
[16:23] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: hold the chicken pointing at the camera then move its body around :D
[16:25] <AlanBell> the html5 viewer doesn't seem to work with it though
[16:26] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: he's already done that
[16:27] <dogmatic69> :S
[16:27] <bigcalm> Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hBpF_Zj4OA - works fine on my phone but not as html5 in my desktop browser :(
[16:27]  * popey tickles marxjohnson 
[16:29]  * marxjohnson giggles like a schoolgirl
[16:30] <popey> I have heard this noise before
[16:30] <popey> It is a schoolgirl with a very large adams apple
[16:30] <davmor2> popey: that's not something to admit on a logged channel surely :D
[16:30] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:31] <czajkowski> that was not an image I needed
[16:35] <popey> heh
[16:39] <bigcalm> Looks like the image worried a few too much
[16:52] <gord> AlanBell, if you want to guarantee html5 compatibility then you might want to upload as webm - no idea how to do that though
[16:53] <gord> *subscribes to learn about chickens*
[16:53] <AlanBell> I want to encode an hour of video in less than an hour
[16:54] <ormiret> AlanBell: what kind of spec is the machine doing the encoding?
[16:55] <gord> AlanBell, also, that latest video is running in html5 here
[16:55] <gord> it just takes a while for them to do the conversion i think
[17:13] <AlanBell> silly silly BT and their crappy FTTC modems
[17:13] <AlanBell> ormiret: encoding on a fairly low spec box, atom or above
[17:13] <AlanBell> will throw more power or more boxes at it if required
[17:13] <AlanBell> gord: yeah, runs for me in html5 now too
[17:15] <AlanBell> I can't see any point in encoding (or recording) at 720p
[17:16] <ormiret> Might struggle to get better than real time on an atom
[17:51]  * MartijnVdS hates banshee a little more
[17:51] <Azelphur> Are there any mobile broadband providers that'll give you pay as you go with no expiry?
[17:51] <Azelphur> so I can have redundant internet :p
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> not anymore, I think
[17:51] <Azelphur> :/
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: if you were in the Netherlands, I'd tell you to use XS4ALL -- we offer a special DSL modem with 3G stick attached as a backup
[17:52] <Azelphur> hehe nice
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: (and 128kbit by default, upgradeable to 7.2mbit for a day at a time, until your DSL is fixed)
[17:52] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:53] <Azelphur> shame we can't have shiny things here :(
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: It's the EU, you can move and work here without special visa requirements ;)
[17:53] <Azelphur> yea, but we have canonical
[17:54] <Azelphur>  /point /laugh
[17:59] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: haha just asked three live support "Is there any deal that would be suitable for a backup internet connection?" "No."
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Sure, get one of their plans and pay monthly ;)
[18:01] <Azelphur> haha, that's what they actually said to me though, that's a quote :D
[18:02]  * MartijnVdS wants to state publicly, for the record, that I did not hack Azelphur's voice mail :P
[18:03] <Azelphur> haha
[18:03] <Azelphur> there'd be no point there's nothing on it
[18:10] <gord> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/linus-torvalds-would-like-to-see-a-gnome-fork/9347 *cough* kinda sounds like he wants unity to me ;)
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> gord: bias? :)
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> gord: btw, I reinstalled and unity works fine now
[18:11] <gord> he wants expose, wobbly windows, shortcuts on your desktop, we got all them!
[18:11] <ali1234> i would expect he wants expose that actually works, not the crap version in unity
[18:11] <ali1234> also unity does not have wobbly windows and presents no method to enable it
[18:12] <gord> *wobbles his windows*
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> !family | gord
[18:13] <davmor2> gord: but he says Ubuntu is no use for kernel development but very good for it's target audience too :)
[18:13] <ali1234> given that one of the things he explicitly does not like about gnome 3 is that it makes it unnecessarily difficult to open new windows, can you seriously claim that he would not have the same problem with unity?
[18:14] <gord> sorry ali1234, i can't hear you over the sound of my windows wobbling!
[18:14] <davmor2> ali1234: no it's a doddle
[18:14] <ali1234> "Now I need to use Shift-Control-N in an old terminal to bring up a new one." which is exactly the same thing we were told about opening new firefox windows
[18:15] <ali1234> and terminal windows for that matter
[18:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [iain woz ere] Making mountains out of molehills - http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/blog/posts/2011/08/mountains-out-of-molehills/
[18:16] <popey> davmor2: lies
[18:16] <ali1234> yeah it's really easy as long as you only ever middle click on the launcher, and just use it like a very stupid looking start menu
[18:16] <davmor2> popey: it is middle click the icon on the launcher done
[18:16] <popey> my laptop has no middle button
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: left + right at the same time then
[18:17] <popey> yes, I know that
[18:17] <popey> so i have to do some kind of contortion with my hand
[18:17] <popey> its unnatural
[18:17] <ali1234> anyway there's not much point us debating what linus likes or does not like
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: unless we're discussing what to buy him for christmas :P
[18:18] <popey> a 3 button mouse?
[18:19] <ali1234> if your mouse only has 3 buttons you are doing it wrong
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I have a 3-button SERIAL mouse here
[18:19] <popey> me too ☺
[18:19] <ali1234> point?
[18:20] <ali1234> i have a box full of old mice, i'm sure some of them are serial
[18:20] <ali1234> can't think of a reason to use them though
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: if you ever get your hands on a 386 with Windows 3.1
[18:21] <davmor2> popey: mines usb so technically serial :)
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: you'll know :)
[18:21] <ali1234> if it's serial it's either mechanical or it's one of those old sun mice that needs the shiny metal mouse mat
[18:21] <ali1234> and those were even less reliable than mechanical ones
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it's mechanical, Logitech
[18:22] <ali1234> also, why ever would i run any version of windows on real hardware?
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: you don't have that sadistic streak?
[18:22] <ali1234> i put it to better use
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> bitcoin mining?
[18:24] <ali1234> well yes
[18:24] <ali1234> in any case, why do something that was already done years ago?
[18:24]  * MartijnVdS wonders: buy a i7 2600K now, or wait for the new top-of-the-line i7 next year (Ivy Bridge)
[18:25] <ali1234> if you have a good reason there's virtualization, and that won't require any special hardware
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> and no, "both" isn't an option ;)
[18:25] <ali1234> you should wait for the new i7 next year, and then buy the old one, which will be much cheaper
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: yes, also, it'll be much slower compared to the top of the line then
[18:28] <ali1234> not really, unless you are using integrated graphics
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> I am
[18:28] <ali1234> then wait for ivy bridge
[18:38] <daftykins> upgrading is so last century
[18:38] <daftykins> :D
[18:43] <popey> hello GirlyGirl
[18:43] <GirlyGirl> hi
[18:44] <czajkowski> GirlyGirl: hi
[18:44] <GirlyGirl> hi
[18:44] <GirlyGirl> why all the hi's
[18:45] <Azelphur> Because we're going for the hi score.
[18:45] <jacobw> http://www.ai-class.com/
[18:45] <apw> gah
[18:46] <apw>                    
[18:46]  * apw must unplug keybaord before performing keybaord surgury
[18:47] <GirlyGirl> Is it possible that crashing my car can cause it to steer slightly right?
[18:47] <ali1234> yes
[18:47] <ali1234> repeatedly driving over the kerb at high speed can do it too
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> GirlyGirl: yes, sounds like it needs some alignment/balancing
[18:47] <ali1234> eg when parking
[18:48] <apw> GirlyGirl, which corner did you hit
[18:49] <GirlyGirl> I hit a van
[18:49] <jacobw> Have you taken your car to a garage since the impact?
[18:50] <GirlyGirl> yes £1000 fix for the car
[18:50] <apw> but yes, any sort of impact can affect the tracking, if its not done right you could have a lean to one side
[18:50] <GirlyGirl> wondering if I should do it
[18:50] <jacobw> What speed did you hit the van at?
[18:50] <GirlyGirl> don't really know
[18:51] <jacobw> Depends how much the car is worth
[18:51] <GirlyGirl> I just bought the car, it had this woolen floormat and my stiletto caught caught so I couldn't brake fast enough and I hit the van. I only bought the car a few hours earlier.
[18:51] <davmor2> GirlyGirl: take your car to a tyre place and get the tracking and wheel alignment done cost you £20ish
[18:52] <GirlyGirl> davmor2: can I do that without fixing damage
[18:52] <GirlyGirl> davmor2: let me find a picture of a similar car with damage one moment
[18:53] <daftykins> wow this channel's branching out
[18:53] <davmor2> GirlyGirl: Ah sorry I thought you had that work done,  there is no point till that work is done
[18:54] <GirlyGirl> got to change that floor mat though don't want such a think again
[18:54] <daftykins> you could keep a sensible pair of shoes in the car to drive with too?
[18:55] <GirlyGirl> it looks a bit like this http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/177975511x.jpg/ but the car moves
[18:55] <GirlyGirl> daftykins: I can drive fine with low heels another floor matt will do the trick
[18:56] <daftykins> ah
[18:56] <daftykins> sounds unsafe to me :D
[18:57] <GirlyGirl> daftykins: its fine I can drive comfortably in them
[18:57] <apw> GirlyGirl, for real?  if it looks anything like that you'll get arrested driving it
[18:57] <GirlyGirl> in fact I find it easier to pivot
[18:57] <GirlyGirl> apw: yes but the hood is more flat down
[18:58] <apw> i'd not drive it either way
[18:58] <popey> GirlyGirl: is that your car?
[18:58] <GirlyGirl> popey: no
[18:58] <popey> ok
[18:59] <GirlyGirl> it was just my bad luck that the ex-owner put a woolen mat
[18:59] <jacobw> woolen mats are safe
[18:59] <oimon1> my wife is watching twilight while i'm on the laptop and doing the washing up. it's quite possibly the worst thing i've ever laid eyes on
[19:00] <daftykins> XD
[19:00] <daftykins> that kiddy vampire film?
[19:00] <jacobw> stiletto heels are not
[19:00] <AlanBell> !ping
[19:00] <oimon1> daftykins: the acting is terrible
[19:00] <daftykins> :D
[19:01] <Azelphur> oimon1: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-clv3kbbtMyw/Tc2XQZrYpuI/AAAAAAAAAqo/9gqPasMNa-0/s1600/129145980065363434.jpg
[19:01]  * Azelphur runs
[19:01] <GirlyGirl> jacobw: they are fine! its not like I take something sky high agreed with a woolen mat they are unsafe
[19:01] <oimon1> Azelphur: i don't even know much about it , except it's BAD
[19:01] <Azelphur> lol
[19:01] <AlanBell> Azelphur: um, no, don't post that
[19:01] <Azelphur> :(
[19:02] <jacobw> i have a team jacob mug :)
[19:02] <oimon1> video encoding takes forever on this core 2 duo :(
[19:02] <oimon1> downthrottling due to thermal overload
[19:03] <GirlyGirl> jacobw: In fact the accident was the van's fault, the matt just prevented me from avoiding it. But like a fool, I mentioned my heels getting stuck and agreed to a no-insurance each fixes his/her vehicle deal
[19:04] <oimon1> sounds fair enough
[19:04] <jacobw> :o
[19:04] <jacobw> yeah, that was a mistake
[19:06]  * popey boots into oneiric
[19:06] <popey> gord, apw run for you lives
[19:06] <oimon1> popey: check out the top right power button menu..kinda busy right now :)
[19:07] <popey> i look forward to it
[19:07] <popey> ah bum
[19:07] <popey> backup running, i just killed it
[19:07] <popey> ah well
[19:07] <davmor2> popey: HAHA!
[19:09] <popey> hurrah
[19:09] <oimon1> did you see the photos of the monkey that took pics of itself? i wonder if they are rotated/cropped a tad
[19:09] <popey> 11.10 wont boot
[19:09] <popey> ata_id[312] HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed for '/dev/sdd': Invalid argument
[19:09] <popey> lovely
[19:10]  * popey tries recovery mode
[19:10] <popey> better
[19:10] <oimon1> popey, which machine?
[19:10] <popey> desktop
[19:11]  * popey dist-upgrades
[19:11] <popey> yay, those packages that were borked earlier are fine now
[19:11]  * popey reboots
[19:13] <popey> eek, windows 7
[19:13] <popey> thats unexpected
[19:13] <ali1234> OMGZORS
[19:14] <GirlyGirl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtvloPFYocw
[19:15] <popey> not seen that for a while
[19:16] <popey> golly!
[19:16] <popey> I can haz 3d accelerated desktop
[19:17] <popey> ok, what happened to CTRL+ALT+T for terminal
[19:17] <popey> where did the keyboard shortcuts thing go?
[19:17] <GirlyGirl> you guys/girls like unity?
[19:18] <popey> i find it okay
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> it works most of the time
[19:18] <oimon1> not my desktop of choice, but it could be, with a few tweaks
[19:18] <ali1234> it sucks
[19:18] <popey> nice spectrum of opinion there
[19:18] <czajkowski> popey: it works, but slow I find I do it multiple times then it opens up
[19:19] <oimon1> i want the launcher to work more like my dock
[19:19] <GirlyGirl> I find it very uncustomisable, like you cannot make the interface how you want it .. of course I'm a kubuntu user so I shouldn't complain
[19:19] <ali1234> i want the launcher to work less like a dock
[19:20] <ali1234> because docks are the worst idea in UI design since the weird thing the archimedes used
[19:20] <oimon1> the screw?
[19:20] <oimon1> or the mirror to burn ships
[19:20] <popey> wheeee totem segfault
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: it's like that on oneiric atm
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: and vlc crashes the unity-window-decorator :)
[19:21]  * oimon1 used to have an archimedes
[19:22] <popey> i do love bug reports where people out themselves as having pirated movies / tv programmes
[19:22] <popey> bug 816740
[19:24]  * GirlyGirl really wishes she has learnt about the incompatibility of stilettos and woollen floor-mats without an accident
[19:24] <oimon1> :(
[19:25] <popey> gord: no, that bug i mentioned earlier is not fixed
[19:25] <popey> bug http://www.jogglerwiki.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=196
[19:25] <oimon1> popey: they may have ripped the dvd themselves?
[19:25] <popey> uhm
[19:25] <popey> dunno how that got pasted :D
[19:25] <popey> oimon1: dont even bother
[19:26] <popey> bug 763579
[19:26] <popey> that one
[19:26]  * popey uploads a video
[19:29] <popey> uhm, i cant delete files in nautilus
[19:30] <czajkowski> popey: wow you're really just breaking things today
[19:30]  * hamitron sends popey a "newbie guide"
[19:31] <popey> whats the gnome keyboard app thing called?
[19:33] <popey> oh its merged with the kb applet thing
[19:34] <GirlyGirl> popey: Why are you on 11.10 again?
[19:34] <popey> testing
[19:39] <ali1234> so does it work on nvidia yet?
[19:40] <popey> yes
[19:41] <ali1234> i mean with the proper driver, not nouveau
[19:41] <czajkowski> popey: brave man
[19:41] <popey> yes
[19:41] <popey> this is why my desktop has four SSDs
[19:41] <popey> so i can multiboot and not cause aggro for other distros
[19:41] <ali1234> does it work simply because they haven't upgraded xorg yet?
[19:41] <popey> bug 821098
[19:41]  * popey shrugs
[19:41] <popey> xorg 7.6
[19:42] <popey> nvidia 275.09.07
[19:42] <oimon1> popey - do you have a reboot option on your machine?
[19:42] <oimon1> i only see shutdown or suspend
[19:42] <ali1234> !info xorg natty
[19:42] <popey> i do not
[19:43] <ali1234> !info xorg oneiric
[19:43] <popey> lock, logout, suspend, shut down
[19:43]  * ali1234 slaps lubotu3
[19:45] <popey> hmm, locale is busted
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> \o/ installed a "real" cert on my NAS
[19:54] <popey> http://one.ubuntu.com/18PQ
[19:55] <popey> what on earth do I do there?
[19:55] <popey> http://one.ubuntu.com/p/18PQ
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> popey: Imagine you're back in 1968, I guess
[19:56] <MooDoo> hello all
[19:56] <popey> lo
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> howdy moodooman
[19:57] <MooDoo> :)
[19:57] <popey> any idea what package adds teh locale stuff?
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: language-pack-*
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> ?
[19:57] <popey> ah
[19:58] <popey> nice one
[20:01]  * brobostigon returns
[20:01] <MooDoo> welcome back
[20:01] <brobostigon> :) thank you MooDoo
[20:01] <brobostigon> torchwood :)
[20:02] <MooDoo> brobostigon: not into it for some reason :S
[20:02] <MooDoo> i'm trying
[20:03] <brobostigon> it is quite different to previous.
[20:07] <brobostigon> MooDoo: the previous was quite english, now, because this is partly designed by an american production company for primary broadcast in america, it does have substantial american style elements, therefore, my logic would tell me, that american style does not appeal to you.
[20:10] <brobostigon> please tell me, if i am reading too much into it.
[20:10] <bigcalm> popey: plug in your laptop!
[20:10] <popey> eh?
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Or he doesn't like Jack :)
[20:11] <bigcalm> The battery icon is showing an empty red battery
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> for me too
[20:11] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: the face of boe :)
[20:12] <popey> bigcalm: its a desktop :D
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I have a few (female) friends who almost faint when they see him... 8-)
[20:12] <bigcalm> Silly APC
[20:12] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: cool :)
[20:12] <bigcalm> Gah, that was the enter key, not backspace
[20:12] <bigcalm> Silly apci?
[20:12]  * popey shrugs
[20:12] <popey> GPM I guess
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> my desktop (no UPS attached) shows a battery icon.. I guess "silly power-indicator"
[20:13] <bigcalm> My desktop is plugged into a UPS, but it's doesn't think it's on a battery (windows did)
[20:13] <popey> wow
[20:13] <popey> gnome 3 really is properly dumbed down isnt it?
[20:13] <popey> seems like great swathes of the UI has just been thrown away
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> "You won't need those, we know better than you"
[20:14] <popey> yeah
[20:14] <popey> by the way, pro-tip of today
[20:14] <popey> clamp a bulldog clip to the desk, use it as a cable tidy :D
[20:14]  * bigcalm wonders what to do with his evening (have been told not to do work)
[20:14] <czajkowski> so you come to irc for entertainment
[20:15] <bigcalm> czajkowski: Hayley is working
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: I use binder clips at work
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Binder_clip.JPG
[20:15] <popey> yeah, them
[20:15] <popey> we call them bulldog clips
[20:15] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: That's a bulldog clip
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> no
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Bulldog_Clip_2.jpg
[20:15] <popey> which, I'll admit is a dumb name
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> that's a bulldog clip :)
[20:15] <bigcalm> Humm
[20:15] <popey> ah
[20:16] <popey> Thanks for the English lesson Johnny Foreigner!
[20:16] <bigcalm> Heh
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[20:16] <bigcalm> Binder clips are nicer
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> popey: "Jan de Buitenlander" then
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> 14 mbit just isn't enough :(
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> well 15
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> but 14 effectively
[20:54] <Azelphur> exclusive leaked content from valve, http://i.imgur.com/9Kty0.png :P
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: haha
[20:57] <Azelphur> :D
[21:52] <TheHypnotist> anyone available to modify the events calendar
[21:52] <AlanBell> TheHypnotist: which calendar did you mean?
[21:53] <TheHypnotist> http://london.hackspace.org.uk/events/
[21:53] <AlanBell> wrong channel
[21:54] <AlanBell> you want #london-hack-space TheHypnotist
[21:54] <TheHypnotist> ohhh hah
[21:54] <TheHypnotist> thanks, I thought it was on auto :/
[21:54] <TheHypnotist> :$
[21:55] <AlanBell> np :)
[22:30] <locodir-user_> hi!
[22:30] <locodir-user_> Question 1: does anyone knows how to get rid of "unlock keyring" in chrome? I am using 11.04
[22:33] <AlanBell> hi locodir-user_
[22:34] <AlanBell> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=72499
[22:35] <AlanBell> I think you have hit that issue
[22:41] <locodir-user_> Hi AlanBell. Yes, it seems the same issue, but I am kind of a newbie and didn't understand how they solve it...
[22:50] <locodir-user_> any thoughts?
[22:51] <AlanBell> um, not sure really
[22:51] <AlanBell> something to do with the gnome keyring and/or the chrome profile
[22:51] <AlanBell> does the gnome keyring thing pop up at other times?
[22:52] <AlanBell> do you use a password to log on to your desktop or have you set it to log on automatically?
[22:52] <AlanBell> you might want to try deleting the chrome profile or creating another one
[22:53] <locodir-user_> just when I start chrome and go to gmail. I have it to log on automatically
[22:53] <locodir-user_> i am going to try to delete chrome profile
[22:55] <AlanBell> night all o/
[22:55] <locodir-user_> thanks Alan