[16:52] <BLZbubba> hey there, how difficult would it be for upstart to have a debug mode where the user would get a "yes/no" prompt for every possible configured service, instead of using the event system?
[19:27] <gnutun> hey all; how can i get access to a job's output?
[20:20] <marrusl> BLZbubba, there was some discussion at the last UDS about implementing an optional serialized boot.  Not sure where that proposal is at though.
[21:22] <dlibanori> hi guys, is it safe to use "start on started rc" to starts a service after postgresql?
[21:23] <pmjdebruijn> dlibanori: don't you want start on stopped rc?
[21:23] <dlibanori> rc is a task?
[21:23] <pmjdebruijn> dlibanori: in any case, I'd highly recommend testing it in a VM
[21:23] <pmjdebruijn> dlibanori: I'm not 100%
[21:24] <dlibanori> pmjdebruijn: yes, it is a task
[21:24] <pmjdebruijn> again
[21:24] <pmjdebruijn> be careful with this
[21:24] <dlibanori> pmjdebruijn: at Ubuntu 11.04 it is a task
[21:24] <dlibanori> pmjdebruijn: why?
[21:24] <pmjdebruijn> we usually test stuff out of band
[21:25] <pmjdebruijn> dlibanori: why not?
[21:25] <pmjdebruijn> we've had some changes only bite me @ shutdown
[21:25] <pmjdebruijn> for examples
[21:25] <dlibanori> pmjdebruijn: ok, this is lab machine, no problems if it stop to boot
[21:25] <pmjdebruijn> ah ok
[21:27] <dlibanori> why Ubuntu doesn't use upstart to control postgresql? It still uses SysV
[21:28] <pmjdebruijn> lot of packages are inherented from debian
[21:28] <pmjdebruijn> who don't use upstart by default
[21:28] <pmjdebruijn> at least that's my guess
[22:05] <JanC> it takes time to convert init scripts to upstart jobs, especially for more complicated/important daemons
[22:06] <JanC> convert + test, obviously
[22:30] <dlibanori> Thanks pmjdebruijn and JanC