[01:33] <micahg> well, xfce 4.10 is supposed to be focused on polish
[01:48] <micahg> charlie-tca: I could reupload xubuntu-default-settings if I knew what to put in lightdm.conf
[01:49] <micahg> but I figure it's too late at this point
[02:25] <charlie-tca> I am not re-spinning again. If the images fail to install now, we won't have them
[02:32] <charlie-tca> I went to dinner and just got back.
[02:41] <micahg> k, np
[03:16] <charlie-tca> I have 8 installs to do before the release. It isn't going to happen
[03:16] <charlie-tca> I will get one in tonight
[03:31] <charlie-tca> micahg: still can not install from desktop images. I have no choice but kill the milestone
[03:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: wow, so Monday didn't help :(, aren't the alternates ok?
[03:33] <charlie-tca> Can not encrypt /home 
[03:33] <charlie-tca> I am killing the entire set
[03:33] <micahg> k, better safe than sorry
[03:33] <micahg> let me know if something I can fix needs fixing
[03:34] <charlie-tca> It's really frustrating, considering I waited 8 hours yesterday for a fix that was supposed to take care of it, and waited again today 6 hours for the fix
[03:34] <charlie-tca> It's not really safe, it is a matter of not usable
[03:35] <charlie-tca> Monday I could install all the images. Today I can not
[03:35] <charlie-tca> It's something Ubuntu pushed into the images
[03:45] <Unit193> Seems nothing I can help with :/
[03:49] <charlie-tca> bug 820731
[03:50] <charlie-tca> Well, considering I won't get nothing else done tonight, and the images will release tomorrow morning, it would take someone working however many hours to fix it and test them again
[03:50] <charlie-tca> and they have about 12 hours total to get it done
[03:51] <charlie-tca> They have thrown fixes at it for two days and it still fails
[03:52] <charlie-tca> At least it makes the release notes real simple
[03:52] <Unit193> Know if all the rest are having them?
[03:54] <charlie-tca> They got Ubuntu fixed
[03:58] <charlie-tca> I don't know if mythbuntu worked or not
[04:03] <charlie-tca> micahg: I don't see any reason to publish alternate images that take a page of notes to explain to the user what to do if they log in to the wrong session
[04:04] <charlie-tca> since nothing else works now, that seems like a bad thing for the user trying our cd
[04:04] <micahg> charlie-tca: k, we could probably fix that, but I think it's too late at this point
[04:05] <charlie-tca> yes, I agree. Of course, all of it is fixable, with enough time.
[04:05] <micahg> let's get that stuff fixed in the archive at least this week if we can so upgraders from a2 aren't affected
[04:05] <micahg> the double session I mean
[04:05] <charlie-tca> yup
[12:53] <madnick> ochosi: have you had the chance to think about the progressbar? :)
[14:02] <charlie-tca> Well, we have developers working on the issue with alpha3 not installing. 
[14:02] <charlie-tca> Maybe we will actually get some of the issues fixed or at least worked today
[14:31] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Cool, is the discussion over on IRC, or not publicly available?
[14:32] <charlie-tca>  #ubuntu-testing, but I seem to be the only failing the installs. jibel said it worked 
[14:32] <charlie-tca> got a feeling it ain't gonna go nowhere
[14:52] <astraljava> I'll run tests both on VM and real hardware tonight, so we'll know soon enough.
[14:52] <charlie-tca> I think I might have one computer with hardware that is failing now
[14:53] <charlie-tca> I have three installs going on hardware, going to find out
[15:54] <charlie-tca> I won't release the alpha3 images. They just aren't working
[15:55] <charlie-tca> I have two machines with the same failure, 32bit and 64bit hardware. Any user that encrypts /home loses all data on the hardrive
[15:55] <charlie-tca> seems really bad
[15:59] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: (re: lightdm & 2 xubuntu sessions) well, I did what was supposed to work. That's not my fault if lightdm has yeat another bug again. I could workaround that by setting "user-session=xubuntu" in lightdm.conf, but it defeats the whole default.desktop approach. :(
[15:59] <mr_pouit> *yet
[16:00] <charlie-tca> yeah, I know. 
[16:00] <charlie-tca> I just put some heat on Ubuntu devs to get this working right
[16:01] <charlie-tca> but I can't release either, when these images are failing so bad
[16:01] <mr_pouit> at this rate, lightdm will be worse than gdm ;D
[16:01] <charlie-tca> I agree. thinking about lxdm?
[16:01] <charlie-tca> We are going to have to do something soon. 
[16:02] <charlie-tca> OTOH, it is not lightdm stopping the installs. 
[16:02] <mr_pouit> I haven't tried it recently. AFAIK Lubuntu intends to use lightdm as well anyway.
[16:02] <mr_pouit> (they only reverted to lxdm temporarily for the alpha 3)
[16:03] <charlie-tca> yes, because no one knows how the derivatives are going to be able to use lightdm. 
[16:03] <charlie-tca> the way it is now, you take what ubuntu says or you fail
[16:03] <Unit193> They will move back to LightDM when it's working
[16:07] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: this is what seems to be blocking my installs now:
[16:07] <charlie-tca> /usr/bin/casper-reconfigure: package 'gnome-power-manager' is not installed
[16:12] <ochosi> madnick: ping
[16:14] <madnick> ochosi: im here :)
[16:16] <micahg> charlie-tca: robert is supposed to solve the derivative how to use question when he gets back from the desktop summit
[16:17] <charlie-tca> yeah, well, that ain't gonna help us get alpha3 working at all :(
[16:17] <charlie-tca> That is really bad timing for it
[16:18] <madnick> ochosi: now im acctually afk for 5 minutes, need to make a quick phone call
[16:24] <ochosi> madnick: np i'm also a bit on and off
[16:40] <madnick> ochosi: okay, now im permanently back for the remainder of the night :)
[16:45] <ochosi> okeydokey :)
[16:46] <ochosi> madnick: do you have your plymouth stuff as svg?
[16:47] <madnick> Oh sorry no, but i think knome has the drafts as something like that, because he was able to give me only specific elements
[16:47] <ochosi> k, i see
[16:47] <ochosi> well i have the wp, but not the logo i think
[16:48] <madnick> i think the logo is at artwork, let me check
[16:49] <madnick> hm, not the white one, but a coloured version exists
[16:49] <ochosi> mhm, that's what i thought
[16:49] <ochosi> well i can make it white, n
[16:49] <ochosi> p
[16:50] <madnick> okay 
[17:00] <ochosi> madnick: do you need svg or png?
[17:00] <madnick> png
[17:00] <ochosi> k
[17:01] <madnick> well, for the production 
[17:01] <ochosi> cause inkscape is such a friggin resource-hog sometimes
[17:09] <ochosi> madnick: very simple illustration of what i was talking about: http://imagebin.org/166386
[17:10] <ochosi> the grey circle is the background, the white would fill the grey
[17:13] <madnick> :)
[17:15] <madnick> ochosi: there is a little problem with that, filling a circle is possbile, but the waiting time does not nessensairly stop
[17:15] <madnick> there is no indication of boot time
[17:15] <ochosi> there are several ways to deal with that
[17:16] <ochosi> either refill the circle several times until it's done
[17:16] <ochosi> or make it more spinner like
[17:16] <ochosi> so mainly a small point that moves on the grey circle
[17:16] <madnick> okay, ill try to make something that you can judge :)
[17:18] <ochosi> madnick: the spinner could look something like this: http://imagebin.org/166390
[17:18] <ochosi> or we can make a spinner a la firefox or osx
[17:19] <ochosi> (the thing that looks like a daisy)
[17:20] <madnick> okay, ill try to make a spinner first, then images can be swapped
[17:22] <ochosi> ok nice!
[17:57] <madnick> ochosi: i will be a bit delayed i think i hit a plymouth bug again
[17:58] <ochosi> madnick: no problem, i'll go to the cinema now to watch a movie, probably be back later or tomorrow
[17:58] <madnick> okay :)
[17:58] <ochosi> but if you ping me i'll definitely read/see it tomorrow
[18:09] <madnick> hehe, this makes me kinda dizzy :)
[18:10] <davmor2> madnick: well stop spinning around on the chair
[18:10] <madnick> davmor2: im looking at a spinning animation for prolonged periods :P
[18:10] <davmor2> madnick: no you only think it's spining in reality it's your chair :D
[18:11] <madnick> :D
[18:26] <madnick> ochosi: i will need a fully transparent copy of the spinner :P but here: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/spinner.ogg
[18:28] <madnick> acctually, now that i think about, im not sure why i did not rotate the entire spinner, wouldve been much easier :(
[19:11] <astraljava> charlie-tca: What image did you have trouble with? I could try that first.
[19:12] <charlie-tca> both destkop images
[19:13] <astraljava> Okay, I'll try on real hardware then.
[19:16] <charlie-tca> That's what I used. both desktop images fail to install here
[19:16] <charlie-tca> They did install for jibel
[19:16] <charlie-tca> unfortunately, no one knows why they failed for me
[19:22] <charlie-tca> bad enough one won't work, but to have two hardware systems failing at the same time with different arches...
[19:38] <charlie-tca> got an answer. casper depends on gnome-power-manager, which we do not seed. gnome-power-manager is deprecated!
[19:39] <micahg> \o/
[19:39] <charlie-tca> and the answer is: Why is gnome-power-manager required for casper?
[19:39]  * micahg wonders what kubuntu does
[19:40] <charlie-tca> it seems it only affects some hardware
[19:40] <charlie-tca> and I happen to own two systems affected
[19:40] <micahg> still, kubuntu must have the same issue
[19:40] <charlie-tca> I didn't try theirs
[19:41] <micahg> can you please?  I would think they would be affected the same way
[19:41] <charlie-tca> okay, I can grab kubuntu desktop image and try it
[19:48] <astraljava> Install splash still says I'm installing the latest version of Xubuntu, 11.04
[19:49] <charlie-tca> we have a bug for that
[19:49] <astraljava> Ok, good.
[19:51] <charlie-tca> bug 813267
[19:51] <charlie-tca> madnick is going to fix that when we get the new plymouth all working :)
[19:52]  * charlie-tca maybe forgot to tell madnick
[19:52] <charlie-tca> micahg: suggestion has also been made to try both lubuntu and mythbuntu
[19:52] <charlie-tca> since Ubuntu desktop worked
[19:52] <charlie-tca> :(
[19:54] <astraljava> Mine won't boot after the installation was completed, even though I hit the Restart now button.
[19:56] <micahg> charlie-tca: neither one of those have that seeded in their desktop, I'm not sure about the live session
[19:56] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[19:56] <charlie-tca> astraljava: really?
[19:56] <charlie-tca> I never quite got that far
[19:56] <astraljava> Yes, Ctrl+Alt+Del didn't help, had to to REISUB.
[19:57] <knome> ochosi, i don't like the circle idea
[19:57] <charlie-tca> The live session should auto-login the next build
[19:57] <charlie-tca> I thought the circle was kind of neat
[19:58] <charlie-tca> but my eyes are still really bad, too
[19:58] <knome> it might be better with a semi-transparent non-active part
[19:58] <astraljava> Now we have two Xubuntu Sessions in the dropdown box.
[19:58] <knome> the unfileed circle is kind of weird, i think, and somehow it just doesn't "snap" visually with the loho
[19:58] <knome> *logo
[19:58] <charlie-tca> I am not prepared to ask either way, knome 
[19:58] <knome> either way what? :)
[19:59] <charlie-tca> astraljava: yes, and if you pick the wrong one, there is a 12 step program to get you back to the right one
[19:59] <astraljava> Hahaha!
[19:59] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview#Xubuntu-1
[20:00] <astraljava> Should at least one of those be filled by default?
[20:00] <charlie-tca> I wrote it down for you
[20:00] <charlie-tca> yes, but that is another bug
[20:00] <astraljava> Oh, you were being serious.
[20:00] <astraljava> Damn.
[20:00] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:00] <charlie-tca> hahaha
[20:00] <charlie-tca> it's been a bad three days of trying to test for me
[20:01] <astraljava> Seems like it.
[20:02] <charlie-tca> At least it is only 6 steps to login to the live session, huh?
[20:03] <charlie-tca> I guess I have had a bad day
[20:07] <astraljava> Technically, yeah 6 steps.
[20:07] <astraljava> But I liked the 12-step programme more. :D
[20:10] <astraljava> I still can't create new shortcuts, though. /me scratches head
[20:12] <charlie-tca> you can't ?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> I can create a short note on how, if you want?
[20:12] <charlie-tca> but I suspect that won't help you 
[20:13] <madnick> charlie-tca: yes, that bug is fixed btw. (plymouth)
[20:15] <charlie-tca> Well, at least fix-committed now
[20:16] <charlie-tca> We can't mark it fixed until we have the new plymouth stuff in 
[20:16] <madnick> okay
[20:16] <madnick> And the progress bar :P 2 camps now, that is not good, we can't have both
[20:17] <astraljava> charlie-tca: I go to Settings | Settings Manager | Keyboard, then Application Shortcuts. When I click on Add, the dialog appears but the Shortcut area has no entry field.
[20:18] <knome> madnick, i'll discuss with ochosi about it :P
[20:18] <madnick> knome: good :)
[20:18] <charlie-tca> right, you type in the command first
[20:18] <charlie-tca> then hit okay
[20:18] <charlie-tca> then hit the key combination you want it to use
[20:18]  * astraljava feels like dying
[20:19] <charlie-tca> and there is no prompt you recognize when hitting those keys
[20:19] <charlie-tca> lol
[20:19] <charlie-tca> it isn't like they don't make it easy, is it?
[20:19] <astraljava> Could that be indicated a little bit more intuitively? I had no idea I was supposed to hit the key combo at that point.
[20:19] <charlie-tca> hehheh
[20:20] <charlie-tca> That is more intuitive now than it used to be
[20:20] <charlie-tca> lol
[20:20] <charlie-tca> new people
[20:20] <astraljava> Hehehe. :D
[20:20] <charlie-tca> at least now you get an "okay" button
[20:20] <astraljava> Right. :)
[20:21] <charlie-tca> really. They did improve it a lot
[20:21] <astraljava> Cool, but still I'd wish there'd be like a few words above it that say "Press the desired key combination now, please"
[20:22] <astraljava> What I'm seeing is a typical example of a failed result dialog.
[20:22] <charlie-tca> There are several bugs filed for that
[20:22] <astraljava> Really?
[20:22]  * astraljava faints
[20:22] <charlie-tca> yeah, both in launchpad and Xfce bugzilla
[20:22] <astraljava> xfce4 devs aren't about user-friendliness, are they?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> well, to a certain degree only
[20:23] <charlie-tca> I mean, they did add that Okay button
[20:23] <astraljava> Okay. Well, good that I'm not the only one arguing about that. :) Says I'm not completely out there on UX design. :D
[20:24] <charlie-tca> used to just get a blank box, that you had to know was for the command, then a blank to hit the keys at
[20:24] <astraljava> Hehehe. :D
[20:24] <astraljava> Do they code with their mice, too?
[20:24] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:24] <charlie-tca> no, they use geany
[20:25] <astraljava> geany's actually pretty good, just found out about the other day.
[20:25] <madnick> geany is awesome!
[20:25] <madnick> :)
[20:25] <astraljava> Just had some problems with out projects' python files' indentations.
[20:25] <astraljava> Which is a pretty big thing when it comes to, you know, developing with python. :D
[20:25] <charlie-tca> so, see, they are okay!
[20:26] <astraljava> Okay, I'll let them off the hook. :D
[20:26] <charlie-tca> They just spend their time on real problems, not those "make it easy" ones
[20:26] <astraljava> Anything in particular that you'd want me to test, or should I just poke around and file the results?
[20:26] <astraljava> Agreed.
[20:26] <charlie-tca> poke
[20:27] <charlie-tca> you got it to work, then.
[20:27] <astraljava> And those are excellent bite-sized bugs to fix for the young-ungs.
[20:27] <astraljava> Yep.
[20:27]  * charlie-tca is more depressed now
[20:27] <astraljava> awww..... there.... there....
[20:28] <astraljava> I should probably join #u-testing too, I'm a tad curious about how they're fixing these things.
[20:28] <charlie-tca> they ain't
[20:28] <astraljava> Oh. That's just for reporting/asking questions?
[20:29] <charlie-tca> I been in -testing, -devel, -desktop, -bugs, -installer, -release today trying to find out what is wrong and how to get it fixed
[20:29] <charlie-tca> They all agree, I got a bug
[20:30] <astraljava> Right, gonna be fixed later, then.
[20:30] <charlie-tca> and it is dandy bug, as far as they go
[20:30] <charlie-tca> one of a kind
[20:30] <charlie-tca> shouldn't happen
[20:30] <charlie-tca> really strange
[20:30] <charlie-tca> weird
[20:30] <charlie-tca> but it is a bug
[20:30] <astraljava> What's the bug number again?
[20:31] <madnick> 820460 i think
[20:31] <charlie-tca> bug 820731
[20:32] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Is that only with amd64, or didn't you say you tried both?
[20:33] <charlie-tca> both
[20:33] <astraljava> Okay.
[20:33] <charlie-tca> two systems, one is 32bit and one is 64bit, and both failed
[20:33] <charlie-tca> towards the bottom you will see my hardware is listed in a comment
[20:34] <charlie-tca> oh, maybe not
[20:34] <charlie-tca> someone said if you are not logged in, you don't see much
[20:39] <astraljava> Yeah I see them. But... I don't understand. Shouldn't ubiquity then depend on gnome-power-manager, if it's going to use it? 
[20:40] <charlie-tca> nothing should. it is deprecated
[20:41] <charlie-tca> obsolete/unused
[20:41] <astraljava> So... they _should_ fix that, then?
[20:41] <charlie-tca> well, yes, I agree
[20:42] <astraljava> But they're not?
[20:42] <charlie-tca> well, I expect "they" are, but finding "they" is proving difficult
[20:42] <astraljava> Heheh. :)
[20:42] <astraljava> I'll read a bit about casper and see whether that's not too much over my head.
[20:43] <charlie-tca> I keep looking for they, though
[20:44] <astraljava> Sure, sure. :)
[20:45] <charlie-tca> Surely, Xubuntu won't be the only thing I can not install, will it?
[20:45] <charlie-tca> If I can find the other ones that fail, maybe I can get more help?
[20:46] <astraljava> stgraber seems to have made the most recent changes.
[20:46] <astraljava> Sounds logical enough.
[20:47] <astraljava> Ahh... the whole foundations team, actually, have been working on it recently.
[20:50] <charlie-tca> just trying to get mr_pouit some help with lightdm. Is it working yet?
[20:51] <astraljava> So it looks like g-p-m has been removed from casper, but not ubiquity.
[20:51] <charlie-tca> when?
[20:51] <astraljava> Can you specify 'working'?
[20:51] <astraljava> Back in June.
[20:52] <charlie-tca> working == lightdm usable by all of us, instead of just Ubuntu
[20:52] <astraljava> C'mon! ubiquity branch, over 40 megs?
[20:53] <astraljava> Yes, but what was the problem? How wasn't it working for us?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> um, no auto-login, two sessions instead of one, no default session filled in, 
[20:54] <charlie-tca> live session just got fixed for alpha3 (cause was lightdm configuration)
[20:55] <astraljava> Meh, spoke too soon. The hook's still there. I misunderstood Brian's comment on the bug.
[20:55] <charlie-tca> The way it is set up right now, the only possible default session for auto-login is Ubuntu
[20:55] <charlie-tca> That's hard coded in lightdm
[20:56] <charlie-tca> which means we can not change it
[20:56] <astraljava> Oh, those! :D Well, yes, I can talk to mr_pouit when he's around, to see whether I can lend a hand in anything.
[20:56] <madnick> i think that was hardcoded in the greeter?
[20:56] <madnick> Im pretty sure i saw that
[20:56] <charlie-tca> yeah, those little ones
[20:56] <charlie-tca> madnick: where ever it is, we are not able to change it
[20:57] <madnick> oh
[21:04] <charlie-tca> micahg: kubuntu desktop64 installed on the same hardware
[21:05] <micahg> :(
[21:05] <charlie-tca> more depressing
[21:05]  * micahg checks the seeds
[21:05] <charlie-tca> will go download lubuntu next
[21:08] <astraljava> Hmm... that hook should bail out cleanly if it doesn't find gnome-power-manager.
[21:09] <charlie-tca> Oh, good
[21:23] <charlie-tca> plantoschka: any idea on a news release that says we did not release alpha3?
[21:24] <charlie-tca> We blame no one, all we said in the release notes is:
[21:24] <charlie-tca> The Xubuntu images currently require several workarounds in order to be used, so are not being officially published with the A3 release. Known issues have been documented below for those wanting to work with the daily images. 
[21:25] <charlie-tca> micahg: my installs so far on the same computer, no change other then the cd-r that was used:
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu Desktop amd64 installed good, Xubuntu desktop amd64 failed, two installs attempted, Kubuntu desktop amd64 installed good
[21:27] <charlie-tca> and at least an hour for lubuntu to download
[21:36] <astraljava> I would have to assume, without further investigation, that the next hook 40install_driver_updates is what's actually failing, since that g-p-m hook bailed out nicely.
[21:38] <astraljava> Well, not necessarily, it won't output anything if it's succesful.
[21:38] <astraljava> Actually, it won't output anything at all.
[21:44] <pleia2> charlie-tca: I'm thinking we don't put an announcement on the site, just something to -devel
[21:45] <charlie-tca> people will be looking for the release, though
[21:46] <charlie-tca> even though it is in the release notes
[22:01] <astraljava> Basically, your Xubuntu installation is capable of dying during ubiquity's remove_unusable_kernels(), configure_hardware(), install_extras() or somewhere in configure_bootloader(), which is where I see the next output after casper-reconfigure says it cannot find gnome-power-manager.
[22:02] <astraljava> This might take a while. :)
[22:03] <astraljava> Well, that list should still include other hooks after 32gnome-power-manager, which are 40install_driver_updates and 49kubuntu_gnome_icon_cache.
[22:07] <micahg> charlie-tca: hmm, can you run an md5sum on the CD-R for xubuntu?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:16] <astraljava> micahg: You're not part of foundations team by any chance? :)
[22:16] <micahg> astraljava: no, security ")
[22:16] <micahg> :)
[22:16] <astraljava> Oh okay.
[22:17] <micahg> but I was using xubuntu before I was an ubuntu-dev
[22:18] <astraljava> Well actually, I should have been thinking about the installer team, anyway. I was still just stuck on casper, but the culprit lies in ubiquity.
[22:18] <astraljava> micahg: Right, yeah.
[22:18] <micahg> I haven't had a chance to dig into that stuff yet
[22:19] <astraljava> Yeah, me neither. So it's gonna take a while to dig through all the aforementioned functions, and the possibilities that could kill it for charlie. Well, during the weekend, then.
[22:20] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Could you upload /var/log/installer/syslog from one of the successful installations, so that I could take a look and maybe find something that could narrow the search down a bit, please?
[22:21] <astraljava> ...or send them to me in email or something.
[22:22] <charlie-tca> pastebin or email?
[22:22] <astraljava> Well, pastebin is fine, thanks!
[22:23] <charlie-tca> micahg: how long does it take to pull md5sum from the cd?
[22:23] <micahg> idk, as long as it takes to read it I would think
[22:24] <micahg> 2-10 min depending on the drive
[22:24] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Did you check the download updates while installing box?
[22:24] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:24] <charlie-tca> on all installs
[22:30] <charlie-tca> micahg: 304a09cc663146dc7e4dcd217ef8d672  /dev/cdrom
[22:31] <charlie-tca> astraljava: I am having issues getting syslog into kate
[22:32] <charlie-tca> I could really learn to dislike kubuntu
[22:32] <micahg> that doesn't match 20110803.2
[22:32] <charlie-tca> nope
[22:33] <micahg> maybe reburn and try again?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> I have to through and do some calculations to make it not contain the extra space, then
[22:33]  * micahg isn't sure md5sum /dev/cdrom is even the right way to do that
[22:35] <charlie-tca> astraljava: http://paste.ubuntu.com/658915
[22:39] <charlie-tca> micahg: calculating
[22:40] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Thanks!
[22:40] <charlie-tca> if I go away, I havve lightning and thunder in the area
[22:41] <charlie-tca> did I tell you, I really dislike kubuntu
[22:42] <astraljava> Haha! Then I shouldn't tell you that instead of keeping vanilla on this work laptop, I'm contemplating on installing either kubuntu or xubuntu instead. Oh wait, I just did!
[22:48] <charlie-tca> still counting
[22:48] <charlie-tca> no, you shouldn't tell me.
[22:49] <charlie-tca> Kubuntu is too faded for my eyes to read the screen easily, and got too much stuff in the way.
[22:51] <astraljava> Yeah I can understand that.
[22:53] <charlie-tca> still counting
[23:08] <charlie-tca> still counting
[23:17] <charlie-tca> still counting
[23:18] <charlie-tca> micahg: not sure this is ever going to finish now
[23:19] <micahg> idk
[23:23] <charlie-tca> using this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check%20the%20CD
[23:34] <micahg> according to that it takes ~10 min
[23:40] <charlie-tca> here it is - 19815fe1a15674db6fa51b8960629bc3
[23:40] <charlie-tca> looks to me like it took just over an hour
[23:40] <charlie-tca> as in 1 hour and 11 minutes
[23:44] <charlie-tca> does it match?
[23:45] <micahg> that looks familiar
[23:45] <charlie-tca> I am really hoping it is right, after that long
[23:45] <micahg> 19815fe1a15674db6fa51b8960629bc3 *oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:45] <micahg> so, it's not the CD, weird
[23:46] <charlie-tca> even more strange - 705998848 bytes (706 MB) copied, 3619.29 s, 195 kB/s
[23:46] <charlie-tca> the cd -r is only 673MB
[23:46] <charlie-tca> I guess it is all in the numbers used