[00:17] <w3bcrawler> do i have to install a particular version of xubuntu for a laptop
[00:17] <charlie-tca> 386 or 64bit?
[00:17] <w3bcrawler> all i see is the desktop version
[00:18] <w3bcrawler> 386
[00:18] <charlie-tca> We don't have special versions for desktop vs laptop, just 32 or 64bit
[00:18] <w3bcrawler> k :) thank you
[01:38] <bl00dy> sorry im a newbie how to login as root ?\
[01:39] <Unit193> bl00dy: Why do you want to login as root? That has be disabled for security/safety reasons.
[01:39] <bl00dy> i want to remove a directory but it says cannot remove don't know why i thought it would remove it as root cz it has privileges
[01:40] <Unit193> Alright, what dir?
[01:41] <bl00dy> it's in opt/metasploit framework
[01:41] <bl00dy> i was just testing it if i can install it but couldn't and i want to remove it now
[01:43] <Unit193> Hit alt+F2 and type  gksu thunar
[01:44] <bl00dy> ok thanks man :) is this the only way i can login as root or i  can also use any command from terminal ?
[01:46] <Unit193> !gksu
[01:47] <Unit193> To run terminal commands, you just use sudo (!sudo to learn more)
[01:47] <bl00dy> ok thanks man :)
[02:02] <xubuntu376> Hey.
[02:02] <xubuntu376> Will I be able to switch Xubuntu over to Lubuntu once it becomes a more stable project?
[02:04] <Unit193> You should be able to, what do you think is wrong with it now? (This more belongs in #Lubuntu though)
[02:04] <xubuntu376> Well, I'm still using Xubuntu 10.04, for starters.  :-)
[02:06] <Unit193> Do you plan on switching? If you do, do you plan to go Xubuntu 10.04 > Xubuntu 12.04 > Lubuntu 12.04 ?
[02:06] <xubuntu376> 12? What? Where?  :-)
[02:07] <xubuntu376> That's a fairly huge jump?
[02:07] <Unit193> It's the next LTS (IIRC) You would have to upgrade 10.04 > 10.10 > 11.04 now . You can't jumb versions, only from version to version or LTS to LTS
[02:08] <xubuntu376> I'll probably go LTS --> LTS.
[02:08] <xubuntu376> If that can be done.
[02:08] <xubuntu376> I thought 10.04 was the last LTS?
[02:08] <Unit193> Yes it currently is
[02:09] <xubuntu376> Okay.
[02:09] <Unit193> !upgrade
[02:11] <xubuntu376> My head is spinning. Ubuntu, FreeBSD, Fedora, it's all too much.  :-)
[02:11] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS
[02:15] <nankura> hey guys, anyone around?
[02:15] <nankura> i have a phew questions if anyone has time
[02:15] <pleia2> !ask
[02:15] <pleia2> :)
[02:15] <nankura> xD
[02:16] <nankura> Ok basically. ubuntu and mint are both known for bloat, programs u dont need etc, but i like it, i love mint 10 but i hate gnome/kde these days, the path choices are just blegh. so i want to try XFCE, i tried openbox but thats not for me, so XFCE was suggested, i was curious what xubuntu is like on speed/bloat with all those programs installed from ubuntu
[02:17] <nankura> i had a look at mints XFCE, but i think they changed it to much
[02:17] <nankura> xubuntu at least keeps the dock/top bar
[02:18] <pleia2> you can always customize your panels
[02:18] <pleia2> delete and add them, move them around
[02:18] <pleia2> bloat-wise you can slim down xfce from the default easier than you can kde or gnome, but you really won't get much faster unless you go with something like openbox or lxde
[02:19] <nankura> hm
[02:19] <nankura> well
[02:19] <nankura> on arch XFCE was only using 100-200MB of ram
[02:19] <nankura> which is the same as openbox
[02:19] <nankura> either way , its faster than gnome or kde :P
[02:19] <nankura> thats the simple fact lol
[02:20] <pleia2> yeah, you can get it pretty slim if you get rid on panel indicators and don't turn on flashy stuff
[02:20] <pleia2> benchmarks put xubuntu out of the box not much faster than ubuntu though
[02:21] <pleia2> I've customized mine a lot to make it faster and simple, but I don't use xfce just because I can make it faster :) I quite like the whole thing
[02:21] <nankura> do you have any links to benchmarks?
[02:21] <nankura> im quite curious
[02:22] <nankura> and yea i know u can always just install and try these things, the reason i ask is because i have a download limit each month
[02:22] <nankura> so i have to pick what i download carefully
[02:22] <nankura> and i was wondering which XFCE distro to grab
[02:22] <pleia2> they change with each release, I'd just google for xubuntu benchmark ubuntu
[02:23] <pleia2> I think you'll find most people here are a bit bias :) I like the stability and quality that comes from the ubuntu respositories so I go with xubuntu
[02:23] <nankura> oh i definatly agree with you man
[02:23] <nankura> ive tried arch and thats not for me
[02:24] <nankura> i dont like the fact that with rolling distro's your linux can completely break at anytime
[02:24] <nankura> u can just be sitting there, update comes, bang, nothing works lol
[02:24] <pleia2> not a man, but yeah, arch is certainly a different kind of linux
[02:24] <nankura> i love ubuntus .deb and stability
[02:24]  * pleia2 nods
[02:24] <xubuntu376> FreeBSD with Blackbox.. I mean, oh wait.. Xubuntu! Yeah!
[02:24] <nankura> oh sorry :P
[02:24] <pleia2> xubuntu376 :)
[02:24] <nankura> well id love to join with the xubuntu community! :D
[02:24] <nankura> i do love having a software manager/updater/package manager
[02:25] <nankura> on arch u didnt even have a package manager unless u got a gui pkg x.x
[02:25] <pleia2> I used fluxbox prior to xfce, it's still in active development and it's quite fast (still run it on my debian boxes)
[02:25] <nankura> i remember the fluxbox mint derive
[02:25] <nankura> i wonder what happened to it
[02:25] <pleia2> probably can still just install fluxbox like you did openbox
[02:25] <xubuntu376> Real men use a console connection and vi.
[02:26] <xubuntu376> Console over serial, that is.  :-D
[02:27] <xubuntu376> Or 2600 baud, whichever you prefer.  :-D
[02:27] <xubuntu376> You kids and your fancy Linux junk!  :-D
[02:27]  * pleia2 adjusts the settings on xubuntu376's time machine
[02:29] <nankura> can you use openbox with XFCE
[02:29] <nankura> ive seen youtube vids off it
[02:29] <nankura> and its really smooth and nice looking
[02:29] <pleia2> yeah, you don't need to use xfwm
[02:33] <nankura> how do u set that up?
[02:35] <Unit193> You scared him off
[02:36] <pleia2> Unit193: the adjustment worked!
[02:37] <nankura> lol
[02:37] <pleia2> nankura: I'm not sure, sorr
[02:37] <pleia2> y
[02:37] <nankura> all good
[02:37] <nankura> um final question
[02:37] <nankura> which xubuntu version is best atm, 11.04 alpha or 10.10 for stability
[02:37] <pleia2> 11.04 has been released, 11.10 is alpha (not recommended for stability)
[02:38] <pleia2> 11.04 is great, ships with xfce 4.8 which is quite nice :)
[02:41] <nankura> :D
[02:43] <pleia2> btw, the version numbers are just Year.Month of release, so you can tell when they are released by version number (so 11.04 was 2011 April, 11.10 will be 2011 October)
[02:46] <nankura> xD
[02:46] <nankura> yea
[02:46] <nankura> im downloading it now
[02:47] <nankura> im always scared of new distro's tho, ive tried alot, and nothing has just "worked", gnome + compiz was to choppy during gaming ( its a compiz problem not my pc , confirmed ) on mint/ubuntu, archlinux was to much manual labour, and i dont like the missing stability, gentoo is just ew, lol
[02:47] <nankura> its so hard to find the right distro
[02:47] <nankura> the only one i used that truely "worked" out of the box, and used gallium3d so gaming was amazingly fast, was fedora 15 gnome
[02:48] <nankura> the only reason i cant use fedora as a main is the low repo support and .rpm is a dead format, .deb is much more popular and has things i need
[02:49] <nankura> so im preying xubuntu is one i can settle in with
[02:50] <charlie-tca> If you have an nvidia card and want gallium, you just go to System -> Additional Drivers, choose the experimental driver instead of nvidia driver
[02:51] <nankura> yea xD
[02:51] <nankura> i have a GTX 460 SE 1gb
[02:51] <nankura> uhm one question
[02:51] <nankura> is 32 bit PAE enabled?
[02:52] <nankura> with PAE i tend to use 32bit, i only have 4GB of ram so i dont really need 64bit, and i have had trouble with 64bit programs and 32bit programs with debian/ubuntu derives
[02:52] <pleia2> pretty sure
[02:52] <nankura> even linux isnt 100% solid on 64bit with 32bit apps yet
[02:53] <nankura> just curious which version i should download
[02:54] <pleia2> 32bit one should be fine
[02:54] <pleia2> (I use 64bit but I don't use any 32bit apps)
[02:54] <nankura> ah
[02:55] <nankura> i use alot of 32bit native games
[02:55]  * pleia2 nods
[02:55] <nankura> and wine
[02:55] <nankura> wine with 64bit is a pain
[02:55] <pleia2> yeah
[03:01] <jmcantrell> if i install xubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu install, is it easily uninstalled if i want to go back?
[03:07] <nankura> why would u install the desktop o.0
[03:07] <nankura> just install the full blown thing
[03:08] <nankura> Uhm quick question
[03:09] <nankura> one problem i have with XFCE/openbox is the use of the alsa sound packages, alsa doesnt work well for me , pulse does, i know some people prefer alsa, but i prefer pulse
[03:09] <nankura> in mint 10, i instantly removed there sound manager and installed pure pulse and the pulse applet which starts on the taskbar when it boots up
[03:09] <nankura> im wondering if u can do that in xubuntu
[03:10] <nankura> and if it supports the gnome applet
[03:10] <charlie-tca> pulse audio is already installed
[03:10] <charlie-tca> I don't know pulse applet
[03:10] <charlie-tca> yes, you can install the gnome applet
[03:11] <charlie-tca> yes, you can remove the xfce4-mixer
[03:12] <nankura> oh ok
[03:14] <jmcantrell> anyone know?
[03:15] <charlie-tca> no
[03:15] <charlie-tca> it is never as easy to uninstall as to install
[03:15] <jmcantrell> what are some things that would be missed if i'm used to gnome?
[03:16] <ball> jmcantrell: bloat? ;-)
[03:16] <jmcantrell> heh
[03:16] <jmcantrell> i have no doubt, but i was more curious about the things that i would be sad to leave behind ;)
[03:17] <charlie-tca> I don't know what you will miss. I don't use gnome or unity or kde
[03:17] <charlie-tca> I don't miss anything from it
[03:17] <jmcantrell> ok
[03:23] <ball> I was undecided (for use at work) between Xubuntu and Ubuntu back when Ubuntu was built on Gnome 2.  Since the move to Unity, Xubuntu is a natural choice.
[03:23] <ball> Unity would not be a sensible choice for my users.
[03:24] <charlie-tca> unfortunately, the more Ubuntu does with unity, the less compatible it is to run both Ubuntu and Xubuntu.
[03:25] <charlie-tca> I think 10.04 worked well to have both desktop environments installed.
[05:20] <jrmy> so i just did a fresh install of xubuntu 10.04.. can anyone remind me how to install adobe flash?
[05:21] <jrmy> idk if its included in the updates that i got aka the 300 some odd amount
[05:21] <jrmy> i remember that i have to addsun something to teh repositories list but i cant remember exactly
[05:22] <pleia2> sun is for java, flashplugin-installer is the package you want for flash
[05:22] <jrmy> oh yeah... java.. lol im probably gonna need that too.. thats why i remembered sun
[05:23] <jrmy> but cool, thanks
[05:23] <jrmy> brb restart needed
[05:46] <bkerensa> Hi Guys... Does Xubuntu have any known issues with slow wifi speeds?
[05:47] <bkerensa> Im getting horrible speed on Xubuntu yet if I boot into ubuntu the issue is not there
[06:23] <jrmy> ok so how do install java?
[06:27] <TheSheep> !java
[06:28] <nankura> hey guys :D
[06:29] <nankura> i made this post regarding ubuntu, its to long to post here so ill just give u guys the link
[06:30] <nankura> xubuntu* i mean
[06:30] <nankura> on the ubuntu forums
[06:30] <nankura> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1817950
[06:33] <jrmy> little bit different from last time
[06:33] <jrmy> the first link worked btw
[06:34] <jrmy> first link included the sun java packages
[06:34] <jrmy> just had to add to the repositories sources
[06:34] <jrmy> thanks
[06:38] <Night-hacks> hi
[06:39] <Night-hacks> i've installed xubuntu desktop using aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[06:39] <Night-hacks> how can i remve it completely ?
[06:44] <Night-hacks> hey is there anybody out there !?
[06:48] <n2diy> !ubuntuone
[08:45] <nankura> Hey all :D
[08:46] <nankura> how do i remove alsa and the sound manager in xubuntu up the top right?
[09:38] <nankura> anyone here know conky well?
[09:58] <digital_rouge> hello is this the channel wher ei can get help with ubuntu?
[09:59] <Sysi> if you're using it with xfce
[09:59] <digital_rouge> lol i dont think im using that
[10:16] <nankura> hey guys im trying to edit startup items with XFCE, like in gnome you had startup applications and a gui for it, but im not sure how with XFCE
[10:18] <Sysi> setings → sessions and startup → autostart tab
[10:22] <nankura> thanks sysi :D
[10:27] <ionite> anyone here?
[10:27] <Sysi> !anyone
[10:27] <ionite> how do i update flash in xubuntu?
[10:28] <ionite> meaning install a plug in.
[10:28] <TheSheep> !flash
[10:35] <ionite> i got this message: Could not download all repository indexes  The repository may no longer be available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and ensure the repository address in the preferences is correct.
[10:40] <ionite> i got this too
[10:42] <TheSheep> ionite: you need to be connected to the internet
[10:43] <TheSheep> ionite: what version of xubuntu do you have?
[10:44] <ionite> 11.04
[10:44] <ionite> TheSheep: 11.04
[10:47] <TheSheep> ionite: so you installed it using the ubuntu software center?
[10:48] <ionite> yeah, i am trying now.
[11:46] <Alan> Is there actually a GUI for configuring multiple monitors in xubuntu?
[11:47] <Alan> I see that i can change the wallpapers for each monitor, but not actually switch between clone and extended mode...
[11:47] <Wizard> Alan, install arandr
[11:48] <Alan> that's a bit... meh
[11:49] <Alan> as in the fact there is something that somewhat understands more than one monitor, but it's missing pretty much all the useful features...
[11:49] <Alan> (the XFCE settings stuff i mean)
[11:49] <Wizard> I agree
[11:49] <Wizard> xfce settings has many flaws
[11:50] <Alan> seems a little incomplete
[11:51] <Alan> still better than gnome3 though :|
[11:54] <Alan> eh, screw this
[11:54] <Wizard> gnome3 lacks many settings applets, but they have xrandr settings :>
[11:54] <Alan> like it matters - it has pretty much no usability on a multi-monitor system
[11:54] <Wizard> Alan, fill feature request in launchpad
[11:54] <Alan> especially what I'm doing which is running multi-monitor inside a VM
[11:54] <Wizard> or rather bug report
[11:54] <Wizard> I think it's a bug
[11:55] <Wizard> useless settings windw ;)
[11:55] <Alan> Wizard: if it hasn't been filed as a bug and accepted already then there is something seriously wrong anyway
[11:55] <Alan> I think i'll stick with linux mint for now
[11:55] <Alan> here's hoping they fork gnome2
[11:56] <Alan> instead of trying to see how they can "mintify" gnome3
[11:56] <Wizard> I'll check it this evening, currently I'm quite busy
[11:56] <Wizard> Alan, gnome3 has "old" desktop
[11:57] <Wizard> I suppose RedHat won't allow removing good, old gnome-panel and desktop :)
[11:57] <Wizard> it would kill RHEL
[11:57] <Alan> Wizard: except all attempt to keep any "classic desktop" polish has been thrown out
[11:57] <Alan> Unity is almost OK in some circumstances
[11:57] <Wizard> bleh
[11:58] <Wizard> personal taste, I like gnome3 more
[11:58] <Wizard> but from most of it i like xfce :)
[11:58] <Alan> but really I'm getting irritated that all the DE developers seem to be smoking the same "let's make a single-application appliance!" crack
[11:59] <Alan> it's almost like they don't even use a computer for anything
[11:59] <Alan> (which i find hard to believe, since they must be doing some kind of development work...)
[11:59] <Alan> Maybe it's just a sign of a new generation of developers entering open-source with different preconceptions of how things should work
[12:00] <Alan> Aaaaanyway, that's enough ranting
[12:00] <Alan> I really like XFCE, but it still needs a bit more polish that I don't have the time to chase at the moment :P
[12:01] <Wizard> ehehe :)
[13:40] <w3bcrawler> umm how do i disable session saving
[13:41] <w3bcrawler> more specifically.. in my settings manager, the option to save the session is unchecked, however my session is still being saved
[13:44] <Sysi> rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions and select it to prompt on logout, uncheck tap there
[13:44] <Sysi> it remembers to keep it unchecked
[13:45] <w3bcrawler> k thanks i'm gonna give that a shot
[13:45] <Sysi> I think there is some bug about setting it to "don't save" automatically
[13:50] <w3bcrawler> worked like a charm, thanks
[17:35] <zagrev> Hi, anyone updated their bios from within linux?
[17:35] <zagrev> got a bios update for my mb  but dont want to install xp just to install an update :(
[17:36] <TheSheep> zagrev: boot from a dos disquette? :)
[17:36] <zagrev> got no floppy drive
[17:36] <TheSheep> zagrev: I suppose you need to ask the support of the manufacturer
[17:37] <TheSheep> zagrev: I wouldn't try it
[17:37] <charlie-tca> !bios
[17:37] <TheSheep> nope
[17:37] <charlie-tca> there is a program for that, but I don't know what happened with it
[17:37] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: coreboot?
[17:38] <charlie-tca> I think that is it
[17:38] <charlie-tca> does it work anymore?
[17:38] <TheSheep> I think there is a program for thinkpads and another for dells
[17:38] <charlie-tca> could also download freedos and do it with that
[17:39] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: unless the upgrade program is a windows exe
[17:39] <charlie-tca> I keep an old win98 boot disk around for updating bios
[17:39]  * charlie-tca thinks that tells the age of the computers he has, too
[17:39] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: does it work from just the installer's console?
[17:40] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: don't worry, the last windows I had is 95
[17:40] <charlie-tca> I don't know, I boot to dos
[17:40] <charlie-tca> I never quite get to windows
[17:40]  * TheSheep checks if there is an update for his bios
[17:41] <charlie-tca> zagrev: TheSheep is correct though. many manucturers now let us upgrade from linux
[17:44] <TheSheep> wow, my bios upgrade comes as a cd image
[17:44] <TheSheep> neat
[18:52] <w3bcrawler> so i managed to get xfce to stop saving the session all the time.. but now it won't remember any information that i put in a program.. ie: for XChat, I have to enter my alias, username, real name, and server addy.
[18:56] <cody-somerville> w3bcrawler, xchat like to segfault when being shutdown
[19:07] <w3bcrawler> om
[19:07] <w3bcrawler> omg
[19:07] <w3bcrawler> cody
[19:07] <w3bcrawler> somerville32 emirite
[20:09] <DASDSDADS> hi
[21:51] <pmjdebruijn> hi all
[21:52] <David-A> hi!
[21:52] <pmjdebruijn> I've used Ubuntu for some time now, as probably many others, I'm unsure about Unity/GNOME3, I have mixed feelings, both good and bad
[21:52] <pmjdebruijn> I'm looking at Xubuntu now, and I'm impressed to the degree which it has progressed
[21:53] <pmjdebruijn> however, I particularly hate the Xfce notifier
[21:53] <pmjdebruijn> is it hard to used regular's ubuntu's notify-osd I guess?
[21:54] <pmjdebruijn> I just remove the xfce one and install the other
[21:54] <pmjdebruijn> sorry s/I/or/
[22:06] <David-A> pmjdebruijn: (no answer) good point. what happens if you install xfce4-notifyd or notification-daemon-xfce? it should uninstall the other notifier, i think. (remember what it uninstalls, and reinstall that if it didnt work, tell me if it works, maybe i'll try it too)
[22:40] <jrmy> so anyone know how i can setup my onboard sound so that it can be more compliant with sound recording programs?
[22:41] <jrmy> i'd liek to use ardour but it cant seem to detect my sound controller
[22:43] <jrmy> ive got 10.04
[22:44] <jrmy> i wonder if 11.04 would work well on my machine
[22:44] <jrmy> i forget how to upgrade though...
[22:49] <jrmy> how would i upgrade to 11.04 and not 10.10? i followed some instructions but it says ubuntu 10.10 is available
[22:50] <jrmy> i'd rather use a stable release
[22:51] <jrmy> do i have to upgrade by each level?
[22:51] <knome> jrmy, yes
[22:51] <jrmy> ah.. thats why i was confused
[22:55] <jrmy> is ubuntu more popular for a choice of an OS as being on more of a comparative level with mac and windows?
[23:02] <pimperle> is there a way to deactivate the <s-up> and <s-down> shortcuts in xfce terminal to use them in vim with the drawit addon?
[23:03] <pimperle> the terminal should somehow detect that it cannot scroll in the current application and hence deactivate the shortcuts
[23:03] <David-A> jrmy: I think thats a matter of opinion. I would say ubuntu is more userfrienly than win and less than mac.
[23:04] <pimperle> i found the switch to deactivate the shortcuts alltogether, however when not in some application i'd liket o keep them
[23:05] <pimperle> the terminal detects the change from shell to vim, which causes the scroll bar to enlarge the slider full width and allow for no scrolling as long as the editor is open
[23:05] <David-A> (everyoneelse: i just realised it could be a bait, sorry if i just started a war)
[23:08] <David-A> jrmy: do you need a super-easy OS yourself or are setting one up for grandma? In the later case, most popular linux distros can be set up to be userfriendly enough.
[23:09] <jrmy> i was just wondering if more peopel were using linux nowadays or not
[23:09] <jrmy> i remember reading a review about ubuntu saying that it was starting to get on the same level as windows 7
[23:09] <jrmy> or something like that
[23:09] <charlie-tca> jrmy: you might want to investigate UbuntuStudio for sound. They have more options installed by default
[23:10] <jrmy> thanks.. i'll see if my problems are adverted after updating to 11.04
[23:11] <charlie-tca> okay. Please make sure yo upgrade to each number in sequence
[23:14] <David-A> jrmy: some sites reporting OS popularities and trends: http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php , http://marketshare.hitslink.com/os-market-share.aspx?spider=1&qprid=9  (i dont know which ones are unbiased)
[23:21] <jrmy> ah
[23:25] <David-A> jrmy: I have tried winxp, win7 and many versions of ubuntu. I would say win7 as of january 2011 has not quite reached the level of ubuntu as of 2009 yet. IMHO
[23:37] <jrmy> i'd say that linux can be much more of a customizable OS then win dows
[23:37] <jrmy> windows*
[23:38] <jrmy> though it depends on your level of computing knowledge i suppose
[23:38] <jrmy> idk.. i havent seen any other distro thats easier to learn then ubuntu
[23:49] <jrmy> so how many changes did they make from 10.04 to 11.04?
[23:49] <jrmy> any big differences in other words
[23:55] <charlie-tca> yes
[23:55] <charlie-tca> very big changes since we moved from xfce 4.6 to xfce 4.8
[23:57] <jrmy> cool
[23:57] <jrmy> well time to restart so i can upgrade to 11.04 next brb.. as long as it works without issue..