[00:09] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ping
[00:10] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: pong
[00:10] <apachelogger> doing a video right now, so I am not really here :P
[00:11] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Quick question... the OMAP3 image for Natty... will it fit on a 2GB sd?
[00:12] <DarkwingDuck> Or, is it like Maverick where it requires a 4GB?
[00:23] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I don't think 2gb is sufficient
[00:23] <apachelogger> certainly not for the preinstalled
[00:24] <apachelogger> I mean, you can try, but I do not find it very likely to work
[00:24] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Thanks.
[01:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I don't think you are correctly characterizing the apt default.  Try and install a package from a PPA that you don't have the key for.  It'll fail.  In either case, I still think the more conservative default (failing outright) is better.
[01:39]  * ScottK logs into a fresh chroot to double check.
[01:51] <ScottK> OK.  You're right.
[01:51] <ScottK> micahg: JontheEchidna is correct.  apt allows untrusted packages to be installed by default.  
[01:51] <ScottK> I don't think that makes Muon right, I think that means apt is wrong too.
[01:52] <micahg> ScottK: true, I would agree with your assessment
[01:53] <ScottK> Do you want to file the bug?
[01:54] <ScottK> micahg: ^^^
[01:54] <ScottK> Back later.
[01:55] <micahg> ScottK: let me ask the team what they think
[06:13] <Tm_Tr> ScottK: throw me with url and I burn them later today (:
[08:38] <bambee> morning
[08:53] <Tm_T> bambee: good morning
[08:53] <Tm_T> and congrats, well deserving
[08:54] <bambee> Tm_T: hehe, thanks ;)
[09:02]  * bambee has a nice IRC cloak now :)
[09:02] <tsimpson> you didn't have to reconnect to activate it though ;)
[09:03] <Tm_T> bambee: now go and get yourself a nice kde addition to it
[09:04] <bambee> Tm_T: you mean, kde dev? 
[09:04] <Tm_T> yes (:
[09:06] <bambee> Tm_T:  it's too earlier
[09:06] <bambee> but it's the next step for me :)
[09:06] <bambee> phonon <3
[10:31]  * bambee is now on planet! woo!!
[10:31] <jussi> awww, bambee learned to walk... :P Congrats bambee
[10:31] <bambee> jussi: thanks :D
[10:32] <bambee> jussi: it's just the beginning, I plan a lot of things :)
[10:33] <ScottK> Tm_T: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20110803.1/oneiric-desktop-powerpc.iso
[10:33] <bambee> 1)° get kubuntu the default OS on every PC with phonon used by ALL media players :P
[10:33] <bambee> 2)° conquer the world
[10:34] <bambee> 3)° there is no third item...
[10:34] <bambee> :P
[10:37] <bambee> apachelogger: your fan club got a new member :P
[11:06] <bambee> people.ubuntu.com is dead?
[11:06] <bambee> yofel, jussi: does it work for you?
[11:09] <yofel> Not on a pc i can try from right now :/
[11:10] <yofel> bambee: remember you need the ssh key you're using on LP for that.
[11:10] <bambee> yofel: it's my default ssh key
[11:10] <bambee> ssh -v says "Authentication succeeded"
[11:11] <bambee> "Authenticated to people.ubuntu.com ([91.189.94.199]:22)."
[11:11] <yofel> No idea then :/
[11:11] <bambee> it blocks on
[11:11] <bambee> debug1: Sending env LC_MESSAGES = fr_FR.utf8
[11:11] <bambee> debug1: Sending env LANG = fr_FR.UTF-8
[11:11] <bambee> :\
[11:11] <yofel> hm... Are you using ssh?
[11:12] <bambee> yes
[11:12] <yofel> That's SFTP only
[11:12] <yofel> No shell
[11:12] <bambee> ah!
[11:12] <bambee> xD
[11:12]  * bambee blames himself
[11:12] <bambee> I am an idiot!
[11:12] <yofel> I tried that too :P
[11:12] <bambee> lol
[11:15] <yofel> Well, back to driving. Got about 1.5h left till berlin.
[11:15] <yofel> Laters
[13:10]  * yofel arrived at his room
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> yofel: dude
[13:49] <yofel> hm?
[13:49] <shadeslayer_> yofel: coming to c base?
[13:50] <yofel> just sitting in my room looking at the map
[13:50] <shadeslayer_> Ok, we are about to leave
[13:50] <yofel> I'll probably go in a few mins, not sure how long It'll take
[13:50] <yofel> 30-40mins I guess
[13:50] <yofel> I hope I'll be there before 5
[13:51] <shadeslayer_> Yeah, I'm looking at it as well
[13:51] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: what about you?
[13:51] <yofel> search for bismarckallee 23 if you want to know where I'm currently
[13:54] <shadeslayer_> yofel: cya at c base
[13:56]  * yofel gets going too
[14:45] <bambee> on natty ubiquity uses 6.5% of the memory only :)
[14:45] <bambee> on oneiric yesterday it was 15.5%
[14:52] <bambee> natty <3
[14:55] <bambee> woo!! my mother love kubuntu!!! :D
[14:56] <bambee> loves *
[15:39] <trackingsquad> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Udm4KHqMAo
[16:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am in warsaw making monies
[16:25] <blueyed> A dist-upgrade currently would remove a whole lot of packages, probably because of the new KDE backport?! http://paste.ubuntu.com/659384/
[16:25] <blueyed> I am on (basically) Natty, using the beta PPA (IIRC).
[16:26] <blueyed> aptitude's safe-upgrade had pulled in quite some packages already.
[16:26] <apachelogger> I think you have more ppas than that :P
[16:31] <blueyed> Yep.. ツ Just cleaning/removing some of them..
[16:33] <blueyed> It's OK to have the backports and default "ppa" for kubuntu-ppa, isn't it?
[16:36] <apachelogger> Well, yes, it should be anyway, as backports carries packages from oneiric those need to be overriding our PPA packages properly, so if backports had a problem with the updates ppa that would also be a bug in oneiric :P
[16:36]  * apachelogger wonders if that actually made sense
[16:39] <ulysses> apt-get dist-upgrade is recommended instead of aptitude, no?
[16:39] <apachelogger> yes
[16:39] <apachelogger> in fact aptitude is not supported at all
[16:39] <apachelogger> it is like russian roulette
[16:39] <ulysses> it's even not part of default install since maverick
[16:41] <blueyed> I tend to use aptitude, because it allows good resolving of upgrades and provides different solutions.
[16:41] <blueyed> Also it has a semi-interactive mode, where you can interact with it.
[16:43] <apachelogger> I am not saying it is bad, just that aptitude dep resolving it is not supported/QA'd :P
[16:51] <blueyed> Quelle surprise.. it interferes with my Debian testing/unstable sources (which are pinned at 150 though).
[17:05] <blueyed> Should kdebase-runtime-data be installed? It's still 4.6.5 for me..
[17:05] <blueyed> 4.6.5-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[17:09] <debfx> blueyed: no, it's been renamed to kde-runtime-data
[17:14] <blueyed> debfx: That explains some.. what about kdebase-apps?
[17:15] <debfx> -> kde-baseapps
[17:16] <blueyed> ok. aptitude dist-upgrade looks quite ok then: http://paste.ubuntu.com/659421/ ?
[17:22] <debfx> blueyed: yep
[17:35] <yofel> apachelogger: and when are you getting to berlin?
[17:45] <apachelogger> yofel: sunday evening
[17:47] <yofel> k
[18:06] <blueyed> what's up in berlin? (/me is living here since June, too)
[18:16] <apachelogger> https://desktopsummit.org/
[18:36] <yofel> blueyed: pre-registration party is just going on, drop by if you've got time. Many cool people here ;)
[18:42] <ScottK> yofel: Please make shadeslayer test the amd64+mac ISO so we can release it.
[18:42] <yofel> heh, he's outside somewhere, I'll look for him later.
[18:43] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:44]  * ScottK wonders what Tm_T's excuse is ...
[18:45] <debfx> apachelogger: how do I disable subtitles in dragon player? the subtitles menu is disabled ...
[18:50] <apachelogger> debfx: by fixing dragon player's code I reckon
[19:02] <debfx> *sigh* the video player situation just gets worse
[19:16] <ScottK> yofel: Why is your pbuilder fix in Ninjas and not just in Ubuntu?
[19:17] <ScottK> debfx: If you're around, indi-apogee and prison will both hit New, so it'd be nice if you could upload them.
[19:17] <ScottK> micahg: Did you have a chance to discuss apt preferences yet?
[19:18] <micahg> ScottK: no, sorry, been distracted
[19:18] <debfx> ScottK: what's indi-apogee?
[19:19] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: One other datapoint to consider: On Android their default it to completely disallow non-Marketplace apps with a checkbox option to enable them.  I think the current Ubuntu change in Muon matches that.  Not that we should blindly ape Android on stuff, but I think it's a sign of what's a good idea.
[19:19] <ScottK> debfx: It's a driver package for indi.
[19:19] <ScottK> We got indi updated so we can build kstars, but without drivers it can't actually be used (AIUI)
[19:21]  * debfx doesn't even know what libindi is
[19:23] <debfx> I'd prefer if someone who is familiar with it uploads that
[19:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^ please find someone familiar with it.
[19:37] <blueyed> yofel: do you mean you're at the location already? I could be there in an hour maybe.. nothing planned for tonight, but quite powered out.
[19:46] <bambee> I am on vacations from tomorrow until the next saturday, I gonna sailing, BUT I've my eepc with me, so I will probably be on IRC few evenings
[19:46] <ScottK> bambee: Have a nice vacation.  Where are you sailing?
[19:50] <bambee> ScottK: Atlantic Ocean,  "La Rochelle" , between "Nantes" and "amgouleme", South West Coast
[19:50] <bambee> thanks :)
[19:50] <ScottK> Ah.  Interesting.  I've never been there.
[19:50] <ScottK> Sounds lovely though.
[19:51] <bambee> with a sailboat 11.9 meters, a nice boat , my father loves sailing (me too) :)
[19:54] <bambee> I will probably test kde 4.7 on natty during this week 
[19:54] <ScottK> Decent size.  I've sailed similar.
[19:55] <maco> boats with sails are something i never saw til i moved here, even though i grew up around boats
[19:57] <bambee> I will take photos ;)
[19:57] <Tm_T> ScottK: no excuse, I just arrived to my pc and am downloading iso
[19:57] <ScottK> Tm_T: Great
[19:58] <Tm_T> ScottK: I have results in ~30 minutes
[19:58] <ScottK> Excellent
[19:59] <Tm_T> again, no installation possible, but will try test the rest
[19:59] <bambee> everyone is at berlin ?
[19:59] <ScottK> Tm_T: No OOo on the CD due to space, but it should have all the KDE stuff you'd find on amd64/i386.
[19:59] <ScottK> bambee: No.  Not everyone.
[19:59] <bambee> ok
[20:00] <maco> ScottK: are you a couple miles from me right now?
[20:00] <ScottK> For a large value of "couple" yes.
[20:01] <maco> haha
[20:01] <bambee> +1
[20:01] <maco> meaning you're in berlin or maryland?
[20:01] <ScottK> Maryland.
[20:01] <maco> not a very large value of "couple" then
[20:01] <ScottK> But neither your work nor your home are within two miles of my house, so it requires a large value.
[20:02] <maco> fine, few!
[20:02] <maco> columbia and ellicott city are practically walking distance, right?
[20:02] <maco> ive seen ellicott ambulances like 3 streets down on snowden
[20:07] <debfx> ScottK: is it ok to add missing licenses in a patch instead of repacking the upstream tarball?
[20:07] <ScottK> debfx: OK, but not preferred.
[20:07] <bambee> ScottK: ScottK: oh you live near to Baltimore, it seems to be a nice city :)
[20:08] <ScottK> Yes.  It's an interesting place.  It's a mix of nice/modern and industrial/run down.
[20:09] <bambee> oh it's huge city too
[20:09] <ScottK> Yes.
[20:10] <bambee> everything is huge in the USA :D
[20:10] <ScottK> Also the various areas between Baltimore and Washington, DC are almost all built up so in many respects it's like one huge metropolitan area.
[20:11] <ScottK> Population density in US cities is generally far lower than European cities, so for their size they have relatively few people.
[20:13] <maco> DC has only about 500,000 people
[20:13] <maco> well ok 590,000
[20:13] <maco> which is still more than the entire state of wyoming...but...still not that many people
[20:14] <ScottK> Actually it has fewer.
[20:15] <ScottK> Wait.
[20:15] <ScottK> I was mis-remembering.
[20:15] <ScottK> It's the DC school census that's way off, not the overall one.
[20:19] <debfx> ScottK, yofel: I've uploaded prison, once it's accepted prison and qrencode need a MIR
[20:19] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[20:20] <ScottK> I'll look at it in a bit.
[20:34] <bambee> DC only about 600,000? wow... I thought that the population was greater o_O
[20:51] <yofel> debfx: thanks
[20:52] <yofel> ScottK: I took that from the Debian BTS and later simply forgot about it -.-
[20:52] <yofel> also, I missed shadeslayer, so let's hope he pops in later
[20:52] <debfx> yofel: you're welcome. are you planning to push the package to debian?
[20:53] <yofel> I intended to at least, but I've no idea how to do it
[20:53] <yofel> I'll talk to svuorela, met him earlier
[20:56] <bambee> woo! my @kubuntu.org email works!!! :D
[20:57] <debfx> yofel: first step would be to open an ITP bug, http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l1
[21:05] <Tm_K> ScottK: seems to run, apps work, although I get occasional errors I don't get any hold of
[21:05] <Tm_K> nothing that really restricts
[21:05] <ScottK> OK.
[21:06] <ScottK> Tm_T: Could you put a result in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/6221/1011
[21:06] <Tm_K> for example kwallet doesn't get activated (and thus used) with networkmanager (:
[21:06] <Tm_K> sure
[21:06] <ScottK> Interesting.  I'd suggest filing a bug on that one.
[21:07] <Tm_K> I don't have any useful logs though
[21:08] <Tm_K> aah, found
[21:09] <Tm_K> no kwalletd.desktop
[21:10] <Tm_K> quickaccess plasma widget doesn't get loaded, prolly similarly missing desktop file
[21:13] <ScottK> quickaccess has an open bug about it.
[21:13] <ScottK> Please file one on the kwallet thing.
[21:13] <ScottK> We removed quickaccess because it's dead, but forgot to remove it from the panel.
[21:13] <Tm_K> righto (:
[21:14] <debfx> Tm_K: /usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop doesn't exist?
[21:14] <Tm_K> nope
[21:15] <Tm_K> ScottK: so, should I mark this as success anyway?
[21:15] <ScottK> Yes.
[21:15] <bambee> Is it possible with kwallet to don't ask password each time? for example each time my eepc starts the wifi is automatically connected and kwallet ask a password...  (it's for my mother everything must remain simple)
[21:15] <ScottK> I don't think so.
[21:16] <ScottK> It's been awhile since I looked into it.
[21:16] <debfx> Tm_K: that's weird, is kde-runtime-data installed?
[21:16] <yofel> debfx: k, I'll do it tomorrow, dead tired right now
[21:17] <Tm_K> debfx: is
[21:18] <debfx> bambee: use an empty password :)
[21:18] <Tm_K> bambee it doesn't ask a password when there's no one set, or what debfx said
[21:18] <Tm_K> debfx: so a bug should be filed against that package?
[21:18] <bambee> an empty password? for the keyring... why not..
[21:19] <bambee> debfx, Tm_K: I will try that, thanks
[21:20] <debfx> Tm_K: that package contains kwalletd.desktop, no idea how something could eat that file
[21:21] <ScottK> debfx: kdeutils FTBFS on powerpc.
[21:21] <ScottK> He's got an old version.
[21:21]  * ScottK forgot about that.
[21:21] <Tm_K> hmmm
[21:21] <Tm_K> bah, this gprs connection is slow
[21:21] <ScottK> persia: ^^^ If you could fire up your powerpc box and look into that it would REALLY be appreciated.
[21:22] <debfx> ScottK: the mainifest file says: kde-runtime-data	4:4.7.0a-0ubuntu1
[21:22] <debfx> that's the most recent version
[21:22] <ScottK> Oh, right.
[21:23] <ScottK> I was looking at kwalletmanager
[21:23] <ScottK> (which is in utils)
[21:23] <Tm_K> I'm puzzled now where and what I should file in a bug report (:
[21:23] <ScottK> Give us a moment.
[21:24] <Tm_K> roger, I'll get back upstairs
[21:29] <Tm_T> I didn't find any I/O errors from my logs either, a bit of a surprise
[21:31] <ScottK> Ah.  Right.  That was kdesdk.
[21:31] <ScottK> kde-runtime-data is arch :all, so it's got to be there.
[21:32] <ScottK> Tm_T: If you're sure it's /usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop that's missing, file the bug against kde-runtime.
[21:36] <Tm_T> that file isn't there in my live session
[21:37] <Tm_T> actually, I tried with "find /user -iname 'kwalletd.desktop'" too, no hits
[21:38] <ScottK> OK.
[21:38] <ScottK> And kde-runtime-data is installed (it must be)?
[21:38] <Tm_T> it is
[21:38] <ScottK> Weird.
[21:39] <Tm_T> indeed
[21:39] <Tm_T> I/O errors could have explained it somewhat, but as there's no those being seen...
[21:41] <ScottK> You might grep /var/log/installer/ for any information about the package.