[00:09] apachelogger: ping [00:10] DarkwingDuck: pong [00:10] doing a video right now, so I am not really here :P [00:11] apachelogger: Quick question... the OMAP3 image for Natty... will it fit on a 2GB sd? [00:12] Or, is it like Maverick where it requires a 4GB? [00:23] DarkwingDuck: I don't think 2gb is sufficient [00:23] certainly not for the preinstalled [00:24] I mean, you can try, but I do not find it very likely to work [00:24] apachelogger: Thanks. [01:39] JontheEchidna: I don't think you are correctly characterizing the apt default. Try and install a package from a PPA that you don't have the key for. It'll fail. In either case, I still think the more conservative default (failing outright) is better. [01:39] * ScottK logs into a fresh chroot to double check. [01:51] OK. You're right. [01:51] micahg: JontheEchidna is correct. apt allows untrusted packages to be installed by default. [01:51] I don't think that makes Muon right, I think that means apt is wrong too. [01:52] ScottK: true, I would agree with your assessment [01:53] Do you want to file the bug? [01:54] micahg: ^^^ [01:54] Back later. [01:55] ScottK: let me ask the team what they think [06:13] ScottK: throw me with url and I burn them later today (: [08:38] morning [08:53] bambee: good morning [08:53] and congrats, well deserving [08:54] Tm_T: hehe, thanks ;) [09:02] * bambee has a nice IRC cloak now :) [09:02] you didn't have to reconnect to activate it though ;) [09:03] bambee: now go and get yourself a nice kde addition to it [09:04] Tm_T: you mean, kde dev? [09:04] yes (: [09:06] Tm_T: it's too earlier [09:06] but it's the next step for me :) [09:06] phonon <3 [10:31] * bambee is now on planet! woo!! [10:31] awww, bambee learned to walk... :P Congrats bambee [10:31] jussi: thanks :D [10:32] jussi: it's just the beginning, I plan a lot of things :) [10:33] Tm_T: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20110803.1/oneiric-desktop-powerpc.iso [10:33] 1)° get kubuntu the default OS on every PC with phonon used by ALL media players :P [10:33] 2)° conquer the world [10:34] 3)° there is no third item... [10:34] :P [10:37] apachelogger: your fan club got a new member :P [11:06] people.ubuntu.com is dead? [11:06] yofel, jussi: does it work for you? [11:09] Not on a pc i can try from right now :/ [11:10] bambee: remember you need the ssh key you're using on LP for that. [11:10] yofel: it's my default ssh key [11:10] ssh -v says "Authentication succeeded" [11:11] "Authenticated to people.ubuntu.com ([91.189.94.199]:22)." [11:11] No idea then :/ [11:11] it blocks on [11:11] debug1: Sending env LC_MESSAGES = fr_FR.utf8 [11:11] debug1: Sending env LANG = fr_FR.UTF-8 [11:11] :\ [11:11] hm... Are you using ssh? [11:12] yes [11:12] That's SFTP only [11:12] No shell [11:12] ah! [11:12] xD [11:12] * bambee blames himself [11:12] I am an idiot! [11:12] I tried that too :P [11:12] lol [11:15] Well, back to driving. Got about 1.5h left till berlin. [11:15] Laters [13:10] * yofel arrived at his room [13:49] yofel: dude [13:49] hm? [13:49] yofel: coming to c base? [13:50] just sitting in my room looking at the map [13:50] Ok, we are about to leave [13:50] I'll probably go in a few mins, not sure how long It'll take [13:50] 30-40mins I guess [13:50] I hope I'll be there before 5 [13:51] Yeah, I'm looking at it as well [13:51] apachelogger: what about you? [13:51] search for bismarckallee 23 if you want to know where I'm currently [13:54] yofel: cya at c base [13:56] * yofel gets going too [14:45] on natty ubiquity uses 6.5% of the memory only :) [14:45] on oneiric yesterday it was 15.5% [14:52] natty <3 [14:55] woo!! my mother love kubuntu!!! :D [14:56] loves * [15:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Udm4KHqMAo [16:25] shadeslayer: I am in warsaw making monies [16:25] A dist-upgrade currently would remove a whole lot of packages, probably because of the new KDE backport?! http://paste.ubuntu.com/659384/ [16:25] I am on (basically) Natty, using the beta PPA (IIRC). [16:26] aptitude's safe-upgrade had pulled in quite some packages already. [16:26] I think you have more ppas than that :P [16:31] Yep.. ツ Just cleaning/removing some of them.. [16:33] It's OK to have the backports and default "ppa" for kubuntu-ppa, isn't it? [16:36] Well, yes, it should be anyway, as backports carries packages from oneiric those need to be overriding our PPA packages properly, so if backports had a problem with the updates ppa that would also be a bug in oneiric :P [16:36] * apachelogger wonders if that actually made sense [16:39] apt-get dist-upgrade is recommended instead of aptitude, no? [16:39] yes [16:39] in fact aptitude is not supported at all [16:39] it is like russian roulette [16:39] it's even not part of default install since maverick [16:41] I tend to use aptitude, because it allows good resolving of upgrades and provides different solutions. [16:41] Also it has a semi-interactive mode, where you can interact with it. [16:43] I am not saying it is bad, just that aptitude dep resolving it is not supported/QA'd :P [16:51] Quelle surprise.. it interferes with my Debian testing/unstable sources (which are pinned at 150 though). [17:05] Should kdebase-runtime-data be installed? It's still 4.6.5 for me.. [17:05] 4.6.5-0ubuntu1~ppa1 [17:09] blueyed: no, it's been renamed to kde-runtime-data [17:14] debfx: That explains some.. what about kdebase-apps? [17:15] -> kde-baseapps [17:16] ok. aptitude dist-upgrade looks quite ok then: http://paste.ubuntu.com/659421/ ? [17:22] blueyed: yep [17:35] apachelogger: and when are you getting to berlin? [17:45] yofel: sunday evening [17:47] k [18:06] what's up in berlin? (/me is living here since June, too) [18:16] https://desktopsummit.org/ [18:36] blueyed: pre-registration party is just going on, drop by if you've got time. Many cool people here ;) [18:42] yofel: Please make shadeslayer test the amd64+mac ISO so we can release it. [18:42] heh, he's outside somewhere, I'll look for him later. [18:43] Thanks. [18:44] * ScottK wonders what Tm_T's excuse is ... [18:45] apachelogger: how do I disable subtitles in dragon player? the subtitles menu is disabled ... [18:50] debfx: by fixing dragon player's code I reckon [19:02] *sigh* the video player situation just gets worse [19:16] yofel: Why is your pbuilder fix in Ninjas and not just in Ubuntu? [19:17] debfx: If you're around, indi-apogee and prison will both hit New, so it'd be nice if you could upload them. [19:17] micahg: Did you have a chance to discuss apt preferences yet? [19:18] ScottK: no, sorry, been distracted [19:18] ScottK: what's indi-apogee? [19:19] JontheEchidna: One other datapoint to consider: On Android their default it to completely disallow non-Marketplace apps with a checkbox option to enable them. I think the current Ubuntu change in Muon matches that. Not that we should blindly ape Android on stuff, but I think it's a sign of what's a good idea. [19:19] debfx: It's a driver package for indi. [19:19] We got indi updated so we can build kstars, but without drivers it can't actually be used (AIUI) [19:21] * debfx doesn't even know what libindi is [19:23] I'd prefer if someone who is familiar with it uploads that [19:25] shadeslayer: ^^^ please find someone familiar with it. [19:37] yofel: do you mean you're at the location already? I could be there in an hour maybe.. nothing planned for tonight, but quite powered out. [19:46] I am on vacations from tomorrow until the next saturday, I gonna sailing, BUT I've my eepc with me, so I will probably be on IRC few evenings [19:46] bambee: Have a nice vacation. Where are you sailing? [19:50] ScottK: Atlantic Ocean, "La Rochelle" , between "Nantes" and "amgouleme", South West Coast [19:50] thanks :) [19:50] Ah. Interesting. I've never been there. [19:50] Sounds lovely though. [19:51] with a sailboat 11.9 meters, a nice boat , my father loves sailing (me too) :) [19:54] I will probably test kde 4.7 on natty during this week [19:54] Decent size. I've sailed similar. [19:55] boats with sails are something i never saw til i moved here, even though i grew up around boats [19:57] I will take photos ;) [19:57] ScottK: no excuse, I just arrived to my pc and am downloading iso [19:57] Tm_T: Great [19:58] ScottK: I have results in ~30 minutes [19:58] Excellent [19:59] again, no installation possible, but will try test the rest [19:59] everyone is at berlin ? [19:59] Tm_T: No OOo on the CD due to space, but it should have all the KDE stuff you'd find on amd64/i386. [19:59] bambee: No. Not everyone. [19:59] ok [20:00] ScottK: are you a couple miles from me right now? [20:00] For a large value of "couple" yes. [20:01] haha [20:01] +1 [20:01] meaning you're in berlin or maryland? [20:01] Maryland. [20:01] not a very large value of "couple" then [20:01] But neither your work nor your home are within two miles of my house, so it requires a large value. [20:02] fine, few! [20:02] columbia and ellicott city are practically walking distance, right? [20:02] ive seen ellicott ambulances like 3 streets down on snowden [20:07] ScottK: is it ok to add missing licenses in a patch instead of repacking the upstream tarball? [20:07] debfx: OK, but not preferred. [20:07] ScottK: ScottK: oh you live near to Baltimore, it seems to be a nice city :) [20:08] Yes. It's an interesting place. It's a mix of nice/modern and industrial/run down. [20:09] oh it's huge city too [20:09] Yes. [20:10] everything is huge in the USA :D [20:10] Also the various areas between Baltimore and Washington, DC are almost all built up so in many respects it's like one huge metropolitan area. [20:11] Population density in US cities is generally far lower than European cities, so for their size they have relatively few people. [20:13] DC has only about 500,000 people [20:13] well ok 590,000 [20:13] which is still more than the entire state of wyoming...but...still not that many people [20:14] Actually it has fewer. [20:15] Wait. [20:15] I was mis-remembering. [20:15] It's the DC school census that's way off, not the overall one. [20:19] ScottK, yofel: I've uploaded prison, once it's accepted prison and qrencode need a MIR [20:19] debfx: Thanks. [20:20] I'll look at it in a bit. [20:34] DC only about 600,000? wow... I thought that the population was greater o_O [20:51] debfx: thanks [20:52] ScottK: I took that from the Debian BTS and later simply forgot about it -.- [20:52] also, I missed shadeslayer, so let's hope he pops in later [20:52] yofel: you're welcome. are you planning to push the package to debian? [20:53] I intended to at least, but I've no idea how to do it [20:53] I'll talk to svuorela, met him earlier [20:56] woo! my @kubuntu.org email works!!! :D [20:57] yofel: first step would be to open an ITP bug, http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/#l1 [21:05] ScottK: seems to run, apps work, although I get occasional errors I don't get any hold of [21:05] nothing that really restricts [21:05] OK. [21:06] Tm_T: Could you put a result in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/6221/1011 [21:06] for example kwallet doesn't get activated (and thus used) with networkmanager (: [21:06] sure [21:06] Interesting. I'd suggest filing a bug on that one. [21:07] I don't have any useful logs though [21:08] aah, found [21:09] no kwalletd.desktop [21:10] quickaccess plasma widget doesn't get loaded, prolly similarly missing desktop file [21:13] quickaccess has an open bug about it. [21:13] Please file one on the kwallet thing. [21:13] We removed quickaccess because it's dead, but forgot to remove it from the panel. [21:13] righto (: [21:14] Tm_K: /usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop doesn't exist? [21:14] nope [21:15] ScottK: so, should I mark this as success anyway? [21:15] Yes. [21:15] Is it possible with kwallet to don't ask password each time? for example each time my eepc starts the wifi is automatically connected and kwallet ask a password... (it's for my mother everything must remain simple) [21:15] I don't think so. [21:16] It's been awhile since I looked into it. [21:16] Tm_K: that's weird, is kde-runtime-data installed? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [21:16] debfx: k, I'll do it tomorrow, dead tired right now [21:17] debfx: is [21:18] bambee: use an empty password :) [21:18] bambee it doesn't ask a password when there's no one set, or what debfx said [21:18] debfx: so a bug should be filed against that package? [21:18] an empty password? for the keyring... why not.. [21:19] debfx, Tm_K: I will try that, thanks [21:20] Tm_K: that package contains kwalletd.desktop, no idea how something could eat that file [21:21] debfx: kdeutils FTBFS on powerpc. [21:21] He's got an old version. [21:21] * ScottK forgot about that. [21:21] hmmm [21:21] bah, this gprs connection is slow [21:21] persia: ^^^ If you could fire up your powerpc box and look into that it would REALLY be appreciated. [21:22] ScottK: the mainifest file says: kde-runtime-data 4:4.7.0a-0ubuntu1 [21:22] that's the most recent version [21:22] Oh, right. [21:23] I was looking at kwalletmanager [21:23] (which is in utils) [21:23] I'm puzzled now where and what I should file in a bug report (: [21:23] Give us a moment. [21:24] roger, I'll get back upstairs [21:29] I didn't find any I/O errors from my logs either, a bit of a surprise [21:31] Ah. Right. That was kdesdk. [21:31] kde-runtime-data is arch :all, so it's got to be there. [21:32] Tm_T: If you're sure it's /usr/share/kde4/services/kwalletd.desktop that's missing, file the bug against kde-runtime. [21:36] that file isn't there in my live session [21:37] actually, I tried with "find /user -iname 'kwalletd.desktop'" too, no hits [21:38] OK. [21:38] And kde-runtime-data is installed (it must be)? [21:38] it is [21:38] Weird. [21:39] indeed [21:39] I/O errors could have explained it somewhat, but as there's no those being seen... [21:41] You might grep /var/log/installer/ for any information about the package.