[00:00] <Daekdroom> poolie, yes
[00:02] <poolie> thanks
[01:15] <anthony96> Hi, I just made a live CD of 11.10 alpha 3 and when it booted it loaded everything the way its supposed to but the mouse was black is this a bug or because the ATI drivers are not installed?
[01:34] <bp0> what does forced fallback mode mean in ubuntu?
[02:13] <jbicha> bp0: I don't believe that button does anything in Ubuntu
[02:24] <bp0> huh
[02:25] <bp0> is there some package that allows the fallback mode?
[02:25] <bp0> ive got gnome-shell installed
[02:25] <bp0> if I set the fallback mode button and then restart into the GNOME session it causes an error and fails
[02:46] <mrdeb> who tried 1110 today
[02:50] <jbicha> bp0: that button is supposed to run the Gnome Fallback session (which requires you to have gnome-session-fallback
[02:50] <jbicha> and gnome-panel installed) but I don't think the button will work
[02:53] <jbicha> oh nm, it does work, it's just not needed since you can pick your session when you log in
[02:55] <bp0> ic
[03:03] <mrdeb> hi
[03:03] <mrdeb> when is 1110 stable
[03:05] <h00k> !schedule
[03:05] <h00k> mrdeb: check that ^
[03:06] <mrdeb> can you jsut tell me
[03:06] <h00k> mrdeb: I don't know offhand, but that wiki does.
[03:07] <mrdeb> ok well i will try it
[03:12] <joint> who upgraded to ubuntu 11.10 alpha 3?
[04:16] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[04:17] <phoenix_firebrd> i am using kubuntu 11.10, with kde 4.7, i have installed from daily build, i like to try telepathy-kde, i have added the ppa and even after adding it, i am not able to find the package in muon
[04:19] <phoenix_firebrd> apt find the package
[04:20] <phoenix_firebrd> why didnt the muon packager manager list it
[07:11] <IdleOne> thanks for fixing that rww
[09:31] <adreanalink> How can I let my system see packet I installed manually from make??
[09:32] <bazhang> !checkinstall | adreanalink
[09:33] <adreanalink> have the checkinstall  be supported by the configure file in the packet i'm installing?
[09:40] <tsimpson> adreanalink: no, checkinstall just puts the installed files into a package, so the package manager can see it
[09:40] <adreanalink> ok
[09:40] <adreanalink> so what's the goal installing with make?
[09:42] <tsimpson> just read the link, it shows instructions
[09:43] <adreanalink> yes, it says to me how can I install with checkinstall and I will use it surely
[09:44] <adreanalink> but now I would know the goal of the make command, thus in the link it says it's not reccomended
[09:53] <sagaci> what's the equiv for gconf-editor in oneiric
[10:02] <jbicha> sagaci: some settings are still in gconf-editor, others are in dconf-editor
[10:03] <sagaci> jbicha: thanks for the advice
[11:52] <jita> if i only do programming in django/python and use vim mostly, could i install alpha 3 without having problems ?
[11:53] <bazhang> jita, well it's alpha, so the usual caveats
[11:53] <jita> ok will stick with 11.04 for the time being
[11:53] <jita> bazhang: do you recommend doing dist-upgrade on 11.04 ?
[11:53] <bazhang> jita, the previous alpha worked wonderfully well for me, best to keep on th e lookoout here for problems if you do
[11:54] <bazhang> jita, version upgrade you mean?
[11:54] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade
[11:54] <jita> bazhang: i havent changed the sources yet
[11:54] <jita> bazhang: no it only shows the upgrading of kernel
[11:55] <bazhang> jita, thats not the way to do it
[11:55] <jita> bazhang: so you dont recommend doing dist-upgrade only apt-get upgrade ?
[11:56] <jita> bazhang: i dont want to upgrade to alpha
[11:56] <bazhang> jita, from 11.04 to 11.10?
[11:56] <jita> bazhang: no i dont want to upgrade to 11.10
[11:56] <bazhang> dist-upgrade has Zero to do with version upgrade
[11:56] <jita> bazhang: should i use it on 11.04 ?
[11:56] <bazhang> jita, are packages held back?
[11:57] <jita> bazhang: yes kernel
[11:57] <jita> bazhang: newer one is available
[11:57] <bazhang> jita, which one
[11:57] <jita> bazhang: 2.6.38 i guess
[11:57] <bazhang> lsb_release -a in terminal please
[11:59] <jita> bazhang: no lsb modules, natty 11.04
[12:00] <bazhang> jita, sure, if you wish, or just wait for the other packages
[12:00] <jita> bazhang: wait for the other packages ?
[12:00] <bazhang> jita, the ones causing the holding back
[12:01] <jita> bazhang: currently 2.6.38-8 is installed and 2.6.38-10 is available using dist-upgrade
[12:01] <bazhang> jita, your choice really.
[12:01] <jita> bazhang: would you do it ?
[12:02] <bazhang> jita, probably not, I'd just wait a day or two for the other packages to arrive, then do the whole lot
[12:04] <jita> bazhang: apt-get upgrade never installs newer kernels ?
[12:05] <bazhang> jita, sure it does.
[12:05] <jita> bazhang: why doesnt it install 2.6.38-10 then ?
[12:05] <bazhang> jita, held back?
[12:06] <Trewas> jita: kernel versions usually change the package name, so dist-upgrade is required
[12:06] <jita> Trewas: is it advised to do that ?
[12:06] <iceroot> jita: bazhang apt-get upgrade does not install new kernels
[12:06] <iceroot> jita: bazhang just apt-get dist-upgrade does
[12:07] <Trewas> jita: well yes, otherwise you won't get the new kernel
[12:07] <sagaci> just wondering if there's any workarounds for the automatic login bug, where it doesn't autologin, even if you set it to AL
[12:35] <BUGabundo> guud afternuun fluks
[13:34] <diverse_izzue> as of today, i can't login to gnome, just to unity. is it maybe because of today's update to gnome-session? anyone else with that problem?
[13:38] <oimon> diverse_izzue: i seem to have the same problem as you
[13:41] <diverse_izzue> oimon, thanks for the confirmation. also, does login take longer than it used to?
[13:42] <oimon> diverse_izzue: i saw the wallpaper for a long time then the nautilus menu appeared , but no gnome-panel etc
[13:42] <diverse_izzue> oimon, exactly the same here
[13:42] <diverse_izzue> ok, i'll report a bug
[13:43] <oimon> hmm now my unity isn't logging in..
[13:43] <oimon> ah here it is ..took a long time
[13:43] <diverse_izzue> oimon, that's what i meant :-)
[13:45] <diverse_izzue> oimon, #821477 maybe you can give it an "affects me too"
[13:45] <oimon> bug 821477
[13:48] <diverse_izzue> waaaaaah ,my dear gnome-shell!
[13:51] <oimon> i still see a battery icon in unity althoguh i have a desktop :-\
[13:51] <h00k> oimon: I have the same thing, yep ;)
[13:51] <oimon> wondering if it's intended, but will be replaced with a better icon
[13:52] <h00k> It doesn't make sense on a desktop
[13:52] <oimon> i'll raise a bug
[13:53] <h00k> I wasn't sure what to file it against
[13:58] <oimon> h00k: good point
[13:58] <oimon> been looking through gsettings but can't find a way to tell it that it's a desktop
[14:02] <oimon> i assume gnome-power-manager?
[14:04] <BUGabundo> why why oh why!!!
[14:04] <BUGabundo> why is chromium using over 5GBs of ram???
[14:04] <BUGabundo> I want my RAM back!!!!! https://plus.google.com/110546133384368429145/posts/4DjriLZaUNF
[14:05] <coz_> BUGabundo,  i got a  "404" on that link :(
[14:05] <BUGabundo> coz_: what's your Plus id?
[14:06] <coz_> oh
[14:06] <BUGabundo> s/id/handler/
[14:06] <oimon> was it a rhetorical quiestion? because about:memory tells u why :)
[14:06] <patdk-wk> heh, stil lbetter than my firefox using 24gigs
[14:07] <patdk-wk> oimon, you have a ups connected?
[14:07] <oimon> patdk-wk: nope
[14:07] <patdk-wk>  Ialways get the battery icon on my systems with the usb ups cable plugged in
[14:08] <oimon> (gnome-settings-daemon:1420): power-plugin-WARNING **: not connected
[14:08] <oimon> i get this in .xsession-errors
[14:08] <oimon> i think it affects all desktop users
[14:08] <BUGabundo> oimon: if I could even use my laptop before I killed it !!
[14:34] <TomSlominski> hello. I just upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10, and my PC hangs on boot with: "Checking battery state..."
[14:35] <TomSlominski> I don't even have a battery.
[14:35] <BUGabundo> TomSlominski: I had that long ago... it fixed itself
[14:35] <BUGabundo> using a daily image?
[14:36] <TomSlominski> no, update-manager -d
[14:36] <BUGabundo> right
[14:36] <BUGabundo> beats me
[14:36] <BUGabundo> try in recovery mode
[14:37] <TomSlominski> okay
[14:39] <TomSlominski> its loading really slowly... my PC has been behaving weird recently, i think my processor might have exploded or something.
[14:40] <TomSlominski> I am loving the recovery background! :D Am I just resuming now?
[14:41] <charlie-tca> update/clean packages first
[14:41] <charlie-tca> or is it fix broken packages, maybe, then clean
[14:42] <TomSlominski> charlie-tca: "dpkg Repair broken packages"?
[14:42] <charlie-tca> sounds right
[14:42] <charlie-tca> it just goes and looks for updates, if nothing is broken.
[14:44] <TomSlominski> okay, should I resume normal boot now?
[14:46] <TomSlominski> okay, i resumed and ive got a text login prompt. ill login and try to start lightdm
[14:46] <hv> few questions re oneiric: 1. Has aptitude become noticably slower? 2. Is "man gsettings" broken?
[14:48] <charlie-tca> TomSlominski: MIght have to do a restart yet.
[14:48] <TomSlominski> it lives!
[14:48] <charlie-tca> hv: No manual entry for gsettings
[14:48] <TomSlominski> I think it's really weird how Ubuntu sees some wi-fi networks without having Wi-Fi hardware connected to it.
[14:49] <charlie-tca> hv: I try not to use aptitude
[14:49] <TomSlominski> wow, Unity is so much faster than Gnome 3.
[14:49] <hv> hv: why? what is wrong with aptitude?
[14:49] <charlie-tca> For me? It is much easier to use apt-get or synaptic package manager
[14:49] <hv> oops!
[14:50] <hv> *facepalm*
[14:50] <Bronek> I am just burn U 10.10! :)
[14:50] <hv> Bronek: you mean 11.10?
[14:50] <Bronek> *burning
[14:50] <Bronek> sorry 11.10 :p
[14:51] <escott> i just updated from 11.04 to alpha my laptop which has btrfs on /. because btrfsck is useless I had removed the symlink from fsck.btrfs to btrfsck which made the 11.04 boot skip the check, but now the 11.10 boot is complaining. any idea why that would be
[14:51] <Pici> hv: I'm not on Oneiric on this computer, but manpages.ubuntu.com claims that the manpage for 'gsettings' exists, but it appars to be blank. Is that what you're seeing?
[14:52] <spacebug-> will there be no option to use a screensaver or to never set the screen to go blank in 11.10 ? (all I can see is to just let it go blank and that option you cannot disable just set different times)
[14:53] <hv> /usr/share/man/man1/gsettings.1.gz says Man generation disabled. ...
[14:54] <hv> where would the manual be then?
[14:54] <Pici> hv: I'd file a bug, unless its mentioned in the changelogs since the version in natty.
[14:55] <hv> against libglib2.0-bin?
[14:55] <Pici> Yes.
[14:55] <hv> sure.
[15:05] <hv> gnome-panels are totoally gone, right? I need just one panel that apparently didn't make it to Unity, [yet].  It is the one corresponding to gnome-system-monitor, which shows CPU/Network/Mem/etc usage. Perhaps you know about it or maybe there is an alternative?
[15:06]  * patdk-wk so far can't stand unity or gnome3
[15:07] <patdk-wk> and still using gnome-panel in oneiric
[15:07] <hv> patdk-wk: how?
[15:07] <hv> what do you install to get them?
[15:08] <patdk-wk> thought I just installed gnome-panel
[15:08] <hv> oh, and with which session type?
[15:09]  * patdk-wk finds where he put 11.10
[15:10] <hv> btw, what happened to "User defined session"s? I have a ~/.xsession but noone seems to pick it up.
[15:10] <patdk-wk> gnome classic
[15:22] <TomSlominski> is there any way to configure the ubuntu panel?
[15:23] <TomSlominski> unity*
[15:23] <hv> +1 !
[15:25] <TomSlominski> hmm? I am running 11.10
[15:25] <hv> TomSlominski: I mean I would be happy, too, if someone answered that question
[15:25] <TomSlominski> hv: Oh, right :D
[15:26] <hv> TomSlominski: btw, what would you like to change? add new items to the "panel"?
[15:26] <TomSlominski> hv: stop it from autohiding
[15:26] <hv> the left panel you mean? there was a setting for that
[15:26] <TomSlominski> hv: yeah
[15:27] <hv> I could access it in gconf-editor. I am looking to find that setting in gsettings which does not have a manual, yet.
[15:27] <hv> I am looking for the same thing, as we speak!
[15:30] <TomSlominski> Right, time to sort out GRUB :)
[15:33] <hv> TomSlominski: Apparently settings are now kept in ~/.config/dconf/user which is a binary file. Gonna find out how to access this database ...
[15:34] <TomSlominski> hv: there is a way of accessing dconf, I think. let me get my Linux Format out :)
[15:35] <hv> installing dconf-tools ...
[15:36] <TomSlominski> hv: apparetnly there is a "gsettings command line tool"
[15:37] <hv> TomSlominski: yeah, but I cannot find the manual for gsettings
[15:37] <TomSlominski> and you can do things like: "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theeme 'Clearlooks'"
[15:38] <TomSlominski> hv: I'm under Fedora 15 right now and I've got the manual for gsettings
[15:39] <TomSlominski> hv: is there any way to export it?
[15:39] <hv> I guess gsettings is kinda modelled after "defaults" in OSX.
[15:40] <hv> which implies it is fast, and you should access it through "gsettings COMMMAND ..." commands
[15:40] <hv> dconf-editor from the package dconf-tools is good so far.
[15:40] <hv> I just need to find the name of the key
[15:41] <hv> can you upload the man page somewhere? (probably the file /usr/share/man/man1/gsettings.1.gz)
[15:42] <hv> or actually, let me search for it online ...
[15:43] <hv> ok, found one, nevermind
[15:50] <hv> got to blow up dconf imported keys (from gconf). brb.
[16:58] <epifanio> hi all
[16:58] <epifanio> can i receive support about ubuntu 11.10 here ?
[16:59] <epifanio> after an apt-get update , upgrade .. it stop to works (before it was working) i'm on a macbookpro 2.2
[16:59] <epifanio> i instaslled the mac iso image
[16:59] <epifanio> .. the problem is the battery check step (i know my battery is in a bad state .. but it's really odd it doesn't allow me to boot)
[17:00] <epifanio>  it stop the boot promp at the step : check battery state
[17:01] <jtaylor> when did you upgrade?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> epifanio: boot to recovery mode and try "dpkg Repair broken packages"
[17:03] <epifanio> charlie-tca: what's the syntax to use in the shell ?
[17:04] <charlie-tca> you don't get a recovery menu?
[17:04] <epifanio> iìm in root shell
[17:04] <epifanio> with networking
[17:04] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:05] <epifanio> ok tring
[17:05] <charlie-tca> I think that does almost the same as repair in the menu
[17:05] <jtaylor> make sure lightdm-greeter-gtk is installed
[17:06] <charlie-tca> good point, that needs to be there too
[17:16] <jakemp> suspend doesn't seem to be working too well for me.
[17:18] <dsathe> yeah A BUG
[17:19] <dsathe> how do i get adwaita to work on oneric ?
[17:20] <dsathe> sans the not so pretty windo borders of the light themes
[17:23] <epifanio> i tried to do upgrade dist-upgrade .. at boot i have again "checking battery state and no boot"
[17:23] <epifanio> i didn't find a opackage lightdm-greeter-gtk
[17:24] <dsathe> epifanio:
[17:24] <dsathe> drop to tty1
[17:24] <dsathe> fire x
[17:24] <dsathe> using startx for now
[17:24] <dsathe> :D
[17:24] <dsathe> then go fix it
[17:28] <epifanio> dsathe: how to drop to tty1 ?  i tried ctrl+alt+f1 .. but doesn't work, i'm in the root shell with networking
[17:29] <epifanio> ok
[17:30] <epifanio> i did it .. i'm logged in and X is working
[17:30] <epifanio> dsath : what about the step "then go to fix it"
[17:31] <epifanio> thanks to suggest me startx !!! i did it from root :  su username ; startx
[17:37] <guest-fPtt7c> peps, i've a problem i cannot enter neither unity shell nor gnome-shell
[17:38] <guest-fPtt7c> just a blackscreen appears-(the cursor doesn't move), but i can acces from guest acount
[17:38] <dsathe> install gtk-lightdm greater
[17:38] <dsathe> not too sure of exact package name
[17:38] <dsathe> look for it in synaptic
[17:42] <guest-fPtt7c> someone knows hot to determinate the problem?
[17:43] <charlie-tca> epifanio: lightdm-gtk-greeter is the real name
[17:43] <epifanio> thanks!
[17:45] <jamesbond2> hi, how can I install non patched upstream packages?
[17:47] <h00k> jamesbond2: er, like...old packages? or, what do you mean?
[17:48] <jamesbond2> i need do some testing for gnome because of a bug
[17:54] <tensorpudding> the alpha 3 repos are up, right?
[17:54] <tensorpudding> update-manager -d can't find the new release
[17:54] <epifanio> now all works fine, thank you very much to All for your powerfull support!!!
[17:54] <dsathe> :)
[19:18] <om26er> is there a workaround or something for the cursor movement delay after key press???
[19:18] <om26er> cursor does not move for a second or so :/
[19:18] <om26er> its gnome specific, does not happen in KDE
[19:36] <guest-m9hLDG> i cannot enter neither unity shell nor gnome shell, i always get a black screen, but i can use the guest session.hpw i determine what's the problem?
[19:40] <hv> guest-m9hLDG: for me, it took a long time before either of those work for the first time. is your hard disk led blinking while the screen is blank?
[19:41] <guest-m9hLDG> hv, no
[19:42] <guest-m9hLDG> hv, i've use gnome-shell it was working a few days ago
[19:43] <hv> perhaps you need to move your old configurations out of the way. at least temporarily move ~/.config, ~/.gconf, ~/.local to another directory, try again, and see if it is still the same.  Also look at ~/.xsession-errors and see if you find any clues there.
[19:43] <guest-m9hLDG> hv, ok, wait a while
[19:44] <hv> first check the ~/.xsession-errors, though
[19:44] <guest-m9hLDG> hv,  it doesn't exist
[19:44] <guest-m9hLDG> i cannot move my folders because of i'm in a guest session
[19:44] <guest-m9hLDG> will try to do in console mode
[19:48] <guest-m9hLDG> hv, done, i'll reboot
[19:54] <guest-I271GZ> hv, didn't work, still get black screen
[20:18] <MistaMaze> hi all
[20:19] <BUGabundo> hey MistaMaze
[20:19] <MistaMaze> is it possible to use gnome3 without the shell but with the gnome-panel in oneiric?
[20:19] <MistaMaze> to have gnome-core3 but gnome2-feeling?
[20:20] <trism> MistaMaze: install gnome-session-fallback and then select Gnome Classic on the login screen
[20:20] <MistaMaze> that's all?
[20:21] <trism> MistaMaze: yes, assuming you have a default ubuntu-desktop install of oneiric
[20:21] <MistaMaze> i like to get rid of these nasty unity/gnome-shell crap (but need newest ubuntu version for full sandy bridge support)
[20:22] <MistaMaze> and other desktops (fvwm,awesome,kde) didnet attract me that well
[20:23] <MistaMaze> thanks trism for ya help
[20:24] <MistaMaze> i will give a try on this fallback-packet
[20:24] <MistaMaze> bye
[20:33] <MistaMatze> hello again
[20:37] <MistaMatze> gnome-session-fallback worked fine. is it also possible to get my old gnome2-look back? do i need to install more packages for this?
[20:38] <Daekdroom> Nope, it's not possible.
[20:38] <Daekdroom> The old gnome-panel is replaced for good and the current one is what you get in gnome-session-fallback
[20:38] <Daekdroom> That is, not customizable and mimetizing gnome shell
[20:39] <MistaMatze> ok
[20:39] <rww> holding down Alt while right-clicking things in gnome-panel 3 tends to be useful, btw
[20:41] <xxy> how do I run Gnome3 in Ubuntu 11.10 ?   I know I need gnome-shell package installed.. I can see that lightDM has option gnome from it sessions.. But what do I miss?  I still can't get it working
[20:41] <dr_willis> cant get it working here either xxy . gnome session here just loaded Unity.
[20:42] <xxy> dr_willis: here it doesn't even load unity. It seems to try loading some fallback for Gnome3 (something like gnome 2.30) but it can't load that as well
[20:43] <dr_willis> gnome3 is still a work in progress i guess
[20:45] <rww> ubuntu dev releases aren't generally usable for me until beta or RC anyway :P
[20:54] <BUGabundo> rww: LIES!!!!!!
[20:54] <rww> as you can all see, using crack builds of Ubuntu may render you less than sane.
[20:55] <BUGabundo> :)
[20:56] <h00k> funkyHat: said stable software is for grandparents and servers.
[20:56] <BUGabundo> h00k: don't say that
[20:56] <BUGabundo> I've been hammering  qMail for the past few hours
[20:57] <h00k> BUGabundo: That's what funkyHat said!
[20:58] <BUGabundo> h00k: what do you and funkyHat have against charlie-tca ? :O
[20:58] <h00k> BUGabundo: notta thing :)
[21:43] <jbicha> Daekdroom: /j #dyne
[21:43] <jbicha> sorry aobut
[21:43] <Daekdroom> What?
[21:43] <jbicha> I can't type today
[21:43] <jbicha> sorry about that
[21:45] <Hanmac> i had an new problem my system does not find my onboard soundcard anymore ... dmesg does not show me any sound or audio .... and dkms has problems with its conf so i can not build the images again
[22:47] <guest-I271GZ> ang1234
[22:48] <BUGabundo> nice passworkd guest-I271GZ
[22:48] <guest-I271GZ> is for bringing attentio to me :)
[22:49] <guest-I271GZ> i cannot star my session, neither unity nor gnome-shell i just shows a black screen and my cursor, i can acces by the guest acount but i don't know what could be the problem of my session
[22:51] <jbicha> guest-I271GZ: one thing you could try is to install gdm and set it as your default dm, then reboot
[22:51] <guest-I271GZ> jbicha, ok, i will
[22:53] <guest-I271GZ> i have matters to attend, will be back in an hour
[23:04] <Guest77313> Hi