[00:04] czajkowski, unfortunately it is the most generic kind of bug report :/ [02:28] Gah. Is gtk-window-decorator eating large amounts of memory (on the order of 1GB of swap and hundreds of megabytes resident) for anyone else? [02:36] Its stuff like that that concerns me re 3D/DX's work. === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [05:15] good morning [05:26] didrocks: Good morning! [05:27] hey RAOF! How are you? [05:27] Sitting in front of the fire with a grey and rainy day outside. [05:27] It's pretty nice :) [05:29] heh, enjoying winter? :) [05:29] Even better, I think it's possible that the many and varied bugs which made this i7 laptop entirely useless on oneiric have been squashed. [05:30] Morning didrocks. [05:31] hey TheMuso [05:31] RAOF: waow, so even a good day? :) [05:32] Yeah. It's nice to be on a system which builds mesa in 15ish minutes. [05:33] If it proves to be stable, I might even throw the SSD in here too :). [05:39] didrocks: Morning, I sent you the new patch at your ubuntu.com email (not sure which one you prefer) [05:39] bschaefer: yeah, saw that, I prefer ubuntu.com indeed, will push that to the ubuntu-desktop ppa! Thanks :) [05:41] didrocks: no problem, let me know if anything unexpected happens! [06:06] didrocks: There's a shiny new wayland available for your MIRification. [06:07] RAOF: that's MIRacoulus! :) please revert the MIR state if not already the case :) [06:07] As in - set it to confirmed? Done. [06:14] * didrocks takes a new review [06:14] ok, changelog seems to please me :) [06:15] let me recheck the copyright stuff [06:19] Oh, and I'll send a patch upstream adding a COPYING.GPL-2 for wayland-scanner :) [06:19] RAOF: is that me or is there still no COPYING/LICENCE file? [06:19] \o/ [06:20] also: [06:20] License: X11 [06:20] License: X11 [06:20] one should be enough to rule them all :) [06:21] It's a dep5 separate license stanza - both debian/* and wayland,protocol/* are under the X11 licence, so they each get a one-line License: X11 + a single full X11 license. [06:22] oh, this is speced? [06:22] first time I see that [06:22] http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ [06:22] normally, I put that only in the first one [06:23] The relevant bit is the standalone license paragraph bit. [06:23] RAOF: indeed, interesting [06:24] thanks for that :) [06:24] I'm not sure if only putting it in the first one is strictly speaking compliant with DEP5 ;) [06:24] RAOF: I'm not sure we will have a compliant DEP5 parser one day ;-) [06:24] There's already one floating around on debian-devel@, isn't there? [06:24] * RAOF seems to recall one, at least. [06:25] indeed, but we need to know what to pu in Format-Specification: [06:25] there are two schools there, already ;) [06:25] Hah. [06:25] (the versionned or unversionned one) [06:25] I like the one you put [06:25] some other blocks on that and wants the versionned svn one [06:26] (even with some unreachable url ;)) [06:26] Now that DEP5 describes itself as stable I don't see why you wouldn't refer to that. [06:26] agreed, but this is still under discussion :) [06:26] (what should be there) [06:26] Fair enough. [06:26] and I agree with your approach, it's the one I use [06:27] I'll just assume that the approach we use will end up winning, as it's clearly correct ;P [06:27] ok, so COPYING/LICENSE missing, and we will be there [06:27] all the rest is good :) [06:27] RAOF: same do I :-) [06:27] so* [06:28] RAOF: just ping me once you can upload a version with the right copying, I'll trust you and push it away even while being in the desktop summit [06:28] (just change the bug status) [06:28] So I need to add a copy of the GPL, then mark as... fix released? Fix committed? [06:29] RAOF: just confirmed, I'll set then as fix committed as a "ack" [06:29] and then, will mess with our servers to promote it [06:29] copy some blablabla :) [06:29] and set to fix released [06:29] Funky. [06:29] And then I can upload mesa. [06:29] indeed ;) [06:29] yeah, I try to enforce a sane workflow [06:30] already happened being pinged between the ack and the actual promotion [06:30] that way, I can track what I didn't finish [06:30] or another archive admin can do the promotion === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [06:30] Cool. [06:31] RAOF: so, this is to build some mesa modules depending on wayland, right? [06:31] will be in a new package I guess? [06:31] didrocks: Does the COPYING file need to be in the .orig.tar.gz, or can it be in the diff? [06:31] didrocks, RAOF what's the word on the street about A3? [06:31] RAOF: ha hem, depends on our relationship with upstream ;) [06:31] RAOF: normally no [06:31] RAOF: if it's for a really short period of time, it's ok, even debian in the NEW queue accepts that [06:32] didrocks: It's for the Wayland EGL platform; there won't be a new package for it, it'll just roll in. [06:32] rickspencer3: after quite some respins, sounds good. The feature is finished now and we already pushed some nice pending fixes :) [06:32] didrocks: Roger. I'll add COPYING in the diff, upload a new revision with that, set the status and then ping you mercilessly until it happens. [06:32] RAOF, did you alreadsy upload colord into Ubuntu? It did not appear in Universe yet. [06:33] RAOF: how dare you doing that mercilessly? :( [06:33] RAOF: I'm off in 1h to take my plane for desktop summit btw ;) [06:33] RAOF: I can then mercilessly ignore you :p [06:33] :) [06:33] RAOF: i'll have a look this evening and do the promotion ;) [06:34] or maybe in Amsterdam airport, we'll see [06:34] tkamppeter: I didn't upload colord to Ubuntu; it's near the top of Debian NEW, then I was going to sync. If you'd like it right right now I can upload straight to Ubuntu. [06:36] RAOF, it is about the MIR for Ubuntu. but if you put it into Ubuntu now, it will also undergo a NEW process. Will it need the NEW process and the MIR for Ubuntu also if it gets synced? [06:36] tkamppeter: I'm not actually sure - didrocks, if you're still there, do new packages from Debian need to go through Ubuntu NEW, too? [06:37] RAOF: yeah, they need to, but if it's a sync from debian, it's just a button push away :) [06:37] as it has already been acked by debian [06:37] didrocks: Right; that's what I thought. We don't double-scrutinize. [06:37] no, we have enough to do already ;) [06:38] RAOF, didrocks, so I wait for the sync to appear. And only then I have to do the MIR? [06:39] tkamppeter: you can prepare the MIR already [06:39] tkamppeter: then, just have to copy/paste it [06:39] tkamppeter: but please, prepare it carefully, tells the exact rationale and what deps on it (non deprecated ui not like gnome-color-manager) [06:40] RAOF: is colord big? [06:40] didrocks, OK. [06:40] didrocks: No, not big. [06:40] tkamppeter: thanks ;) [06:40] (huge then? :p) [06:41] Heh. A couple of hundred K [06:41] ok, good enough ;) [06:41] But the actual debs are on my ssd in the other machine, so that's a ballpark figure. [06:42] RAOF, we need to add also some standard color profile package? Can that get big? [06:42] tkamppeter: That can get pretty much arbitrarily huge; easily 20MB. We wouldn't ship that on the CD, though. We'd ship a tiny subset. [06:45] RAOF, didrocks: My biggest concern for a CM in Oneiric is that Argyll (the support for color calibration devices) does not build on Oneiric. [06:45] tkamppeter: that can be a blocker then, indeed [06:46] good morning fellow europe-dwellers! [06:46] colord itself has support for colour calibration though, doesn't it? [06:46] desrt: You're fooling noone! [06:46] isn't it grand to be in europe this morning? [06:47] RAOF: i don't need to try hard to convince people that i'm in europe. desktop summit begins tomorrow, after all [06:47] I'm sure this is all just cover to conceal the fact that you've built a teleporter. [06:48] It's the only explaination for the known facts. [06:48] RAOF, I do not really know whether colord supports calibration devices, I think rather not. And CM without calibration support does not make much sense. [06:48] incorrect. boeing built one, air canada bought it from them, and i hired their services. [06:48] tkamppeter: Yeah, that's true. [06:49] The devils! I knew those aircraft manufacturers were hiding something. [06:49] RAOF, didrocks, a lot to do before FF and in addition, I have a session on Desktop Summit on Wed. [06:49] RAOF: this particular transporter is somewhat slower than the ones you may remember from star trek [06:50] takes 8 hours, all in all, for the transport [06:50] with some rather obnoxious preparation required for an hour or two before you even begin using it [06:50] hey desrt! [06:51] didrocks: hey [06:51] didrocks: i guess you're flying later today? [06:51] desrt: yeah, I'm leaving in 40 minutes for the airport, then Lyon -> Amsterdam -> Berlin [06:51] dbarth: good morning [06:52] desrt: just the time to still push some stuff to break oneiric before leaving (6 this morning and counting…) [06:52] good. seb isn't awake yet. [06:53] I guess not ;) [06:53] oh, 7 now! [06:53] desrt: are you going to the pre-registration this evening? [06:54] i didn't know of it [06:54] i guess i should :) [06:54] where is it? [06:54] desrt: https://www.desktopsummit.org/program/pre-registration [06:55] sounds good [06:56] didrocks: sounds KLMish [06:56] didrocks: my plan exactly, upload new apt with tons of $stuff, leave for the weekend [06:56] didrocks: have a good trip! [06:56] mvo: it's the best way to do it [06:57] mvo: thanks a lot, have a good oneiric breakage :-) [06:57] that way when someone get angry friday evening they've either calmed down or (better yet) fixed it by monday [06:59] desrt: good morning [07:00] didrocks: There you go. Now with COPYING.GPL-2. [07:00] dbarth: FYI, brandon sent to me the xapian patch, the tests passes there, I pushed that to the ubuntu-desktop ppa [07:00] RAOF: thanks, I'll do the promotion at the airport I guess [07:01] * didrocks still needs to shave and prepare the laptop-pack [07:01] didrocks: yup, read that this morning [07:01] ...you know you work too hard when... [07:01] sucks that the Lyon airport doesn't have any free wifi :/ [07:01] christ [07:02] for how expensive it is to get there, you think they'd atleast give you free wifi [07:02] desrt: I don't think it's the same company TBH ;) [07:02] indeed. ripoffs all around :) [07:02] the free wifi at frankfurt is quite a new thing... [07:03] it's only in the lounge, it seems [07:03] but they didn't even have it here before [07:04] oh ok, at least, amsterdam is nice for that (2x30 minutes) [07:04] lol [07:05] inf*30 minutes if you know how to use ifconfig hw [07:05] didrocks: its a geek gathering, no need for shaving [07:05] desrt: clam-down or fix> good thinking! [07:05] mvo: I want to pass the security still :p [07:06] lol [07:06] didrocks: i think your beard needs to be a bit longer before you get profiled [07:08] didrocks: could you check https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/transmission/transmission-2.33/+merge/70233 [07:08] or I could have someone else do it [07:09] jbicha: I will do it, didrocks needs to shave [07:09] mvo: thanks [07:13] looks good, uploaded [07:18] desrt: yeah, even after two months of hard beard work, I didn't succeed :) [07:18] jbicha: FYI, lib* MIRed [07:20] didrocks: ah. haven't shaved since i saw you, then? [07:20] me neither :D [07:20] desrt: I hadn't shave since last rally TBH ;) [07:21] or even a week before, the Qt contributor summit I guess [07:22] i did at the rally [07:22] but otherwise, pretty similar situation [07:22] i say you keep it [07:23] desrt: too late ;) [07:23] i had a feeling :p [07:23] "hadn't" has a certain implication [07:23] indeed :) [07:24] * desrt goes for a coffee then a plane [07:24] see you tonight [07:26] desrt: see you tonight! [07:26] * didrocks goes now, see you! [07:32] I succeeded, I got Argyll compiled! [07:39] tkamppeter, \o/ [07:39] hi everyone :) [07:41] hey [07:42] good morning seb128 [07:42] hey rickspencer3, how are you? [07:42] seb128, doing well [07:42] I had a nice dinner with huats and his family last night [07:42] that guy is so cool and kind [07:43] slomo: hey, you're the gstreamer maintaner, right? I've got some mp3's that fail to play in banshee, and at least one of them makes it crash. Apparently it's a gstreamer bug, would you like the files somewhere to debug it? [07:44] tjaalton: does it crash with totem too? [07:44] rickspencer3, yeah, huats is really nice ;-) [07:44] tjaalton: file a bug at bugzilla.gnome.org against gstreamer, best with a sample file [07:44] slomo: yes, though totem is completely broken atm on oneiric [07:44] slomo: ok I'll do that. once I recover the account :) [07:44] tjaalton, how broken? [07:45] seb128: doesn't start, crashes [07:45] tjaalton, try uninstalling totem-plugins? [07:45] tjaalton: and rhythmbox or gst123 maybe? :) [07:45] seb128: that did it [07:46] slomo: ah, installed gst123, thanks [07:46] ok, that's the same issue ricotz was mentioning then [07:46] tjaalton, do you use i386 or amd64? [07:46] yeah I filed a bug which had a dupe already [07:46] amd64 [07:46] ricotz says it's the libpeas update which create the issue but it works for me [07:46] wondering if that's amd64 specific [07:49] slomo: yeah totem and gst123 both hang too. vlc plays the file [07:50] sweet, some files play on oneiric when they didn't on natty [07:51] tjaalton: ok, file a bug please [07:51] slomo: yep [07:52] I filed one on lp already, will do the same on b.g.o [07:53] the source flac had some glitches, maybe gst doesn't like those on the mp3 [07:54] tjaalton: if it's a plain mp3 that definitely isn't the problem [07:54] hey seb128, how are you? [07:54] hey chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks [07:54] how are you? [07:54] slomo: ok [07:55] seb128, yeah, good thanks [07:55] preparing for a quiet week next week with everyone at the desktop summit ;) [07:56] chrisccoulson, lol, "quiet", you wish [07:56] chrisccoulson, you realize that ff is next week and since everybody will be at the summit you will have to handle desktop by yourself? ;-) [07:56] heh [07:56] lol [07:56] maybe i should book vacation ;) [07:57] slomo: you don't happen to have 0.11 somewhere packaged? [07:57] tjaalton: nope, and there's no reason for you to try it anyway [07:57] chrisccoulson, nah, there is not slacking away from this one :p don't worry kenvandine will be around as well ;-) [07:57] slomo: ok :) [07:57] slomo, hey [07:57] slomo, is gnome-codec-install still required nowadays? [07:58] seb128: i don't know, do you have something else that replaces it? in aptdaemon or something? [07:58] slomo, I don't know exactly what it's doing and if aptdaemon provide that [07:58] that's what I'm trying to check :p [08:00] seb128: if a gstreamer plugin is missing it will be called by the application through gstreamer to ask to user to install the package(s) that are required for the plugins [08:01] slomo, what there any logic in gnome-codec-install or just the "install that package" code? [08:01] chrisccoulson, don't forget to move your tb WI to beta1 btw ;-) [08:02] seb128, i did that already didn't i? [08:02] seb128: what do you mean with logic? it displays gtk windows and uses apt to search for and install the required packages [08:08] chrisccoulson, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-email-client still has 4 items on a3 [08:08] slomo, I meant the "gst element to binary package mapping" [08:08] slomo, seems that aptdaemon could handle what you describe, I will have a look ;-) [08:09] seb128: yes, that's in there (but all the information required is inside the apt database) [08:09] slomo, trying to get synaptic of the CD and to stop using gtk2 as well [08:10] seb128: gnome-codec-install does not depend on synaptic anymore iirc [08:11] mvo changed that... but yes, iirc aptdaemon provides the functionality and that's what you're using now anyway, right? [08:11] doh [08:11] slomo, indeed, "python-aptdaemon-gtk | synaptic (>= 0.57.8)" [08:12] it showed in my rdepends on synaptic call [08:12] but I didn't check is was an or depends [08:12] ok, so it just needs to gtk2->gtk3 [08:22] chrisccoulson, thanks ;-) [08:22] chrisccoulson, did jasoncwarner_ came back to you about the decision of the email client for Oneiric? [08:23] lut huats [08:23] seb128, he's travelling isn't he? [08:23] hello seb128 ! [08:23] chrisccoulson, he was yesterday for sure, dunno if he's still [08:23] and hello everyone ! [08:23] huats, ca va ? tu donnes une bonne image des français c'est bien ;-) [08:23] i asked him on wednesday, but he didn't get back to me [08:24] seb128, oh really nice to hear :) [08:24] he might have been asleep though ;) [08:24] chrisccoulson, ok, he's probably still somewhat between travelling and fighting jetlag [08:24] huats, on dirait que rickspencer3 trouves les français bien sympatiques ;-) [08:24] i should call his cell phone and wake him ;) [08:24] seb128, après rickspencer3 donne une bonne image des américains aussi :) he fed my kid yesterday evening :) [08:24] héhé tant mieux ! [08:25] seb128, do you know whether GNOME 3 has a successor for the gnome-color-manager, for example somewhere in g-c-c? Or was this functionality dropped? [08:25] tkamppeter, it's in gnome-control-center [08:25] rickspencer3, please the next time don't say to théo the time you woke up... because this morning he woke me up at 6:35... [08:25] tkamppeter, but we don't built yet because we need to get colord first for that [08:25] seb128, so it only needs a rebuild of g-c-c after colord is in? [08:25] huats, ah yes, I certain the fault is all mine [08:26] tkamppeter, yes [08:26] rickspencer3, ;) [08:26] seb128, and you might have not noticed but I also did an update yesterday :D [08:26] huats, see that's the issue, when rickspencer3 talks people to listen and do what he says :p [08:26] lol [08:26] seb128, so I will close the gnome-color-manager bug. No MIR needed, all needed already in GNOME3, so one WI less. [08:26] seb128, oh don't I wish! [08:26] huats, yeah, nice to see you doing some desktop work ;-) [08:26] seb128, indeed :) [08:27] tkamppeter, great [08:27] seb128, you should move to Toulouse I might do even more ;) [08:27] seb128 should move to Toulouse! [08:35] lol [08:35] huats, rickspencer3: in fact I'm moving to Berlin today :p [08:35] seb128, ah, enjoy! [08:36] thanks ;-) [08:37] :) [08:37] tkamppeter: I don't think gnome-color-manager was completely killed, gnome still has a source package [08:37] maybe we don't need what's left [08:38] jbicha, it's clearly not "needed" [08:38] ok [08:38] it's like gpm which still has the statistics ui [08:38] you can use that but you don't "need" it [08:39] jbicha, I have moved to g-c-c anyway as this seems to be the standard now. [09:10] mvo, can we drop the update-notifier recommends to a suggests? [09:11] mvo, or do you prefer to get it ported to aptdaemon for the few things it uses synaptic for? [09:11] mvo, hey btw ;-) [09:13] seb128: I would like to port it, I think its staightforward. I will check after lunch [09:14] is it the only remainaing one? [09:14] mvo, yes [09:15] mvo, I had gnome-codec-install on my list but that as an error, it as an | synaptic [09:15] mvo, I just confirmed on a3 live session, nothing goes away if I uninstall synaptic [09:15] it's only there because update-notifier recommends it [09:28] slomo: filed gnome bug 656018 and linked the lp bug to it [09:28] Gnome bug 656018 in don't know "crash playing some mp3's" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656018 [09:29] tjaalton: please get backtraces of the crashes with gdb [09:30] hmm ok [09:34] does gstreamer use ffmpeg for mp3's? [09:34] libgstffmpeg [09:39] can't find ddeb for libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 [09:50] mvo, ping [09:50] mvo, where can I find info about the proposed property informing of a restart [09:51] just did an upgrade but didn't see anything obvious at a glance on the transaction props on d-feet [09:51] * ronoc_ makes coffee [09:55] ronoc_: did you restart aptdaemon? it should be there? [10:08] mvo, what is the name of the property ? [10:17] mvo, when did this prop land in oneiric ? [10:17] if it only landed yesterday then I need a restart [10:27] mvo, ping you there, I need to leave shortly for the airport and was hoping to finish this off on the plane [10:30] ronoc_, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/76161103/aptdaemon_0.43%2Bbzr662-0ubuntu1_0.43%2Bbzr663-0ubuntu1.diff.gz [10:30] ronoc_, that landed a week ago [10:31] ronoc_, RebootRequired? [10:32] ronoc_: hold on a sec, I fire up d-feet [10:34] ronoc_: with current oneiric I do: start software-center to get aptdaemon started, open d-feet, filer for apt on the system bus, go to org.debian.apt and I have the RebootRequired property there under "properties" [10:34] ronoc_: do you see a different result? [10:34] mvo, ah its on the apt interface, sorry i was looking at the transaction [10:35] mvo, seb128 thanks [10:38] ronoc_: great, have fun! [10:38] ronoc_: and safe travels too [10:39] mvo, thanks :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:08] guys left clicking on rubbish bin doesn't seem to opening the rubbish bin, is this one of the shortcuts not working? [11:30] Ewww found a bug in ubiquity [11:33] Oh I think I know what might be going on [11:42] Nope something else :/ === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:07] FYI, I likely will have to sign off a few hours early today [13:17] mterry, don't worry between people on holidays and those flying to desktop summit nobody will notice ;-) [13:17] seb128, fair :) [13:17] heh [13:23] seb128, when do you leave? [13:25] kenvandine, in 35 minutes [13:26] seb128, i uploaded cimi's gtk patch, i am sure you noticed [13:26] any complaints yet? [13:27] kenvandine, I did [13:27] kenvandine, no, I'm quite happy about it [13:27] running gedit stopped spamming stdout with warnings it seems [13:27] cool [13:27] oh... really? [13:27] maybe gwibber has gotten less verbose too :) [13:27] * kenvandine is cleaning up all the json warnings now [13:27] kenvandine: do you just not sleep? [13:28] kenvandine, yeah, those were displayed on most gtk applications [13:28] davmor2, rarely :) [13:28] sleep is for the weaks as asac say :p [13:28] yup! [13:28] seb128: plenty of sleep when your dead says I :) [13:28] i've been up until 3am every night this week... [13:29] and my kids make sure i am up by 6:30 or 7 [13:29] kenvandine, stop working so late! [13:29] i have lots of features i want to get into gwibber before FF :) [13:29] ;-) [13:29] brb session restart [13:30] i'll rest on vacation next month [13:31] kenvandine: I've just noticed something on the new gwibber in comparison to the old not sure if it is a bug or correct though, old shows the picture of the person retweeting, new shows the original tweeter picture and say shared by the retweeter, I'm assuming it's correct :) [13:31] re [13:32] kenvandine, btw I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [13:32] thx [13:32] kenvandine, if you can join the meeting in 1:30 that would be nice [13:32] just point to that and say that pitti will be back next week [13:32] will do [13:32] (though at the gir hackfest) [13:32] davmor2, indeed... that is because we do native retweets now [13:32] we are a bit late and dx as well so still quite some landing to do [13:33] so the native retweet displays the original tweet, intact [13:33] late on what? [13:33] kenvandine: nice good to know it's working correctly then :) [13:34] seb128, Beta3? i assume you mean alpha3 :) [13:34] * kenvandine will correct [13:34] seb128, oh you mean the unity updates [13:35] kenvandine, sorry, I fixed it [13:35] ok [13:36] dunno if that's the gtk update, seems likely it, but I'm happy that gedit stopped spamming stdout :p [13:37] kenvandine, I don't think there will be lot to discuss at the meeting this week anyway [13:37] the fun is going to be next week with ff rush [13:37] yeah... [13:37] kenvandine, do you think we should enable the empathy call ui? [13:37] seb128, i think a lot of that output was menu related [13:37] and cimi's local menubar thing might have quieted that [13:37] yeah, seems likely [13:38] i don't know... i haven't even tried it [13:38]