[00:04] <kenvandine> czajkowski, unfortunately it is the most generic kind of bug report :/
[02:28] <RAOF> Gah.  Is gtk-window-decorator eating large amounts of memory (on the order of 1GB of swap and hundreds of megabytes resident) for anyone else?
[02:36] <TheMuso> Its stuff like that that concerns me re 3D/DX's work.
[05:15] <didrocks> good morning
[05:26] <RAOF> didrocks: Good morning!
[05:27] <didrocks> hey RAOF! How are you?
[05:27] <RAOF> Sitting in front of the fire with a grey and rainy day outside.
[05:27] <RAOF> It's pretty nice :)
[05:29] <didrocks> heh, enjoying winter? :)
[05:29] <RAOF> Even better, I think it's possible that the many and varied bugs which made this i7 laptop entirely useless on oneiric have been squashed.
[05:30] <TheMuso> Morning didrocks.
[05:31] <didrocks> hey TheMuso
[05:31] <didrocks> RAOF: waow, so even a good day? :)
[05:32] <RAOF> Yeah.  It's nice to be on a system which builds mesa in 15ish minutes.
[05:33] <RAOF> If it proves to be stable, I might even throw the SSD in here too :).
[05:39] <bschaefer> didrocks: Morning, I sent you the new patch at your ubuntu.com email (not sure which one you prefer)
[05:39] <didrocks> bschaefer: yeah, saw that, I prefer ubuntu.com indeed, will push that to the ubuntu-desktop ppa! Thanks :)
[05:41] <bschaefer> didrocks: no problem, let me know if anything unexpected happens!
[06:06] <RAOF> didrocks: There's a shiny new wayland available for your MIRification.
[06:07] <didrocks> RAOF: that's MIRacoulus! :) please revert the MIR state if not already the case :)
[06:07] <RAOF> As in - set it to confirmed?  Done.
[06:14]  * didrocks takes a new review
[06:14] <didrocks> ok, changelog seems to please me :)
[06:15] <didrocks> let me recheck the copyright stuff
[06:19] <RAOF> Oh, and I'll send a patch upstream adding a COPYING.GPL-2 for wayland-scanner :)
[06:19] <didrocks> RAOF: is that me or is there still no COPYING/LICENCE file?
[06:19] <didrocks> \o/
[06:20] <didrocks> also:
[06:20] <didrocks> License: X11
[06:20] <didrocks> License: X11
[06:20] <didrocks> one should be enough to rule them all :)
[06:21] <RAOF> It's a dep5 separate license stanza - both debian/* and wayland,protocol/* are under the X11 licence, so they each get a one-line License: X11 + a single full X11 license.
[06:22] <didrocks> oh, this is speced?
[06:22] <didrocks> first time I see that
[06:22] <RAOF> http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/
[06:22] <didrocks> normally, I put that only in the first one
[06:23] <RAOF> The relevant bit is the standalone license paragraph bit.
[06:23] <didrocks> RAOF: indeed, interesting
[06:24] <didrocks> thanks for that :)
[06:24] <RAOF> I'm not sure if only putting it in the first one is strictly speaking compliant with DEP5 ;)
[06:24] <didrocks> RAOF: I'm not sure we will have a compliant DEP5 parser one day ;-)
[06:24] <RAOF> There's already one floating around on debian-devel@, isn't there?
[06:24]  * RAOF seems to recall one, at least.
[06:25] <didrocks> indeed, but we need to know what to pu in Format-Specification:
[06:25] <didrocks> there are two schools there, already ;)
[06:25] <RAOF> Hah.
[06:25] <didrocks> (the versionned or unversionned one)
[06:25] <didrocks> I like the one you put
[06:25] <didrocks> some other blocks on that and wants the versionned svn one
[06:26] <didrocks> (even with some unreachable url ;))
[06:26] <RAOF> Now that DEP5 describes itself as stable I don't see why you wouldn't refer to that.
[06:26] <didrocks> agreed, but this is still under discussion :)
[06:26] <didrocks> (what should be there)
[06:26] <RAOF> Fair enough.
[06:26] <didrocks> and I agree with your approach, it's the one I use
[06:27] <RAOF> I'll just assume that the approach we use will end up winning, as it's clearly correct ;P
[06:27] <didrocks> ok, so COPYING/LICENSE missing, and we will be there
[06:27] <didrocks> all the rest is good :)
[06:27] <didrocks> RAOF: same do I :-)
[06:27] <didrocks> so*
[06:28] <didrocks> RAOF: just ping me once you can upload a version with the right copying, I'll trust you and push it away even while being in the desktop summit
[06:28] <didrocks> (just change the bug status)
[06:28] <RAOF> So I need to add a copy of the GPL, then mark as... fix released?  Fix committed?
[06:29] <didrocks> RAOF: just confirmed, I'll set then as fix committed as a "ack"
[06:29] <didrocks> and then, will mess with our servers to promote it
[06:29] <didrocks> copy some blablabla :)
[06:29] <didrocks> and set to fix released
[06:29] <RAOF> Funky.
[06:29] <RAOF> And then I can upload mesa.
[06:29] <didrocks> indeed ;)
[06:29] <didrocks> yeah, I try to enforce a sane workflow
[06:30] <didrocks> already happened being pinged between the ack and the actual promotion
[06:30] <didrocks> that way, I can track what I didn't finish
[06:30] <didrocks> or another archive admin can do the promotion
[06:30] <RAOF> Cool.
[06:31] <didrocks> RAOF: so, this is to build some mesa modules depending on wayland, right?
[06:31] <didrocks> will be in a new package I guess?
[06:31] <RAOF> didrocks: Does the COPYING file need to be in the .orig.tar.gz, or can it be in the diff?
[06:31] <rickspencer3> didrocks, RAOF what's the word on the street about A3?
[06:31] <didrocks> RAOF: ha hem, depends on our relationship with upstream ;)
[06:31] <didrocks> RAOF: normally no
[06:31] <didrocks> RAOF: if it's for a really short period of time, it's ok, even debian in the NEW queue accepts that
[06:32] <RAOF> didrocks: It's for the Wayland EGL platform; there won't be a new package for it, it'll just roll in.
[06:32] <didrocks> rickspencer3: after quite some respins, sounds good. The feature is finished now and we already pushed some nice pending fixes :)
[06:32] <RAOF> didrocks: Roger.  I'll add COPYING in the diff, upload a new revision with that, set the status and then ping you mercilessly until it happens.
[06:32] <tkamppeter> RAOF, did you alreadsy upload colord into Ubuntu? It did not appear in Universe yet.
[06:33] <didrocks> RAOF: how dare you doing that mercilessly? :(
[06:33] <didrocks> RAOF: I'm off in 1h to take my plane for desktop summit btw ;)
[06:33] <didrocks> RAOF: I can then mercilessly ignore you :p
[06:33] <RAOF> :)
[06:33] <didrocks> RAOF: i'll have a look this evening and do the promotion ;)
[06:34] <didrocks> or maybe in Amsterdam airport, we'll see
[06:34] <RAOF> tkamppeter: I didn't upload colord to Ubuntu; it's near the top of Debian NEW, then I was going to sync.  If you'd like it right right now I can upload straight to Ubuntu.
[06:36] <tkamppeter> RAOF, it is about the MIR for Ubuntu. but if you put it into Ubuntu now, it will also undergo a NEW process. Will it need the NEW process and the MIR for Ubuntu also if it gets synced?
[06:36] <RAOF> tkamppeter: I'm not actually sure - didrocks, if you're still there, do new packages from Debian need to go through Ubuntu NEW, too?
[06:37] <didrocks> RAOF: yeah, they need to, but if it's a sync from debian, it's just a button push away :)
[06:37] <didrocks> as it has already been acked by debian
[06:37] <RAOF> didrocks: Right; that's what I thought.  We don't double-scrutinize.
[06:37] <didrocks> no, we have enough to do already ;)
[06:38] <tkamppeter> RAOF, didrocks, so I wait for the sync to appear. And only then I have to do the MIR?
[06:39] <didrocks> tkamppeter: you can prepare the MIR already
[06:39] <didrocks> tkamppeter: then, just have to copy/paste it
[06:39] <didrocks> tkamppeter: but please, prepare it carefully, tells the exact rationale and what deps on it (non deprecated ui not like gnome-color-manager)
[06:40] <didrocks> RAOF: is colord big?
[06:40] <tkamppeter> didrocks, OK.
[06:40] <RAOF> didrocks: No, not big.
[06:40] <didrocks> tkamppeter: thanks ;)
[06:40] <didrocks> (huge then? :p)
[06:41] <RAOF> Heh.  A couple of hundred K
[06:41] <didrocks> ok, good enough ;)
[06:41] <RAOF> But the actual debs are on my ssd in the other machine, so that's a ballpark figure.
[06:42] <tkamppeter> RAOF, we need to add also some standard color profile package? Can that get big?
[06:42] <RAOF> tkamppeter: That can get pretty much arbitrarily huge; easily 20MB.  We wouldn't ship that on the CD, though.  We'd ship a tiny subset.
[06:45] <tkamppeter> RAOF, didrocks: My biggest concern for a CM in Oneiric is that Argyll (the support for color calibration devices) does not build on Oneiric.
[06:45] <didrocks> tkamppeter: that can be a blocker then, indeed
[06:46] <desrt> good morning fellow europe-dwellers!
[06:46] <RAOF> colord itself has support for colour calibration though, doesn't it?
[06:46] <RAOF> desrt: You're fooling noone!
[06:46] <desrt> isn't it grand to be in europe this morning?
[06:47] <desrt> RAOF: i don't need to try hard to convince people that i'm in europe.  desktop summit begins tomorrow, after all
[06:47] <RAOF> I'm sure this is all just cover to conceal the fact that you've built a teleporter.
[06:48] <RAOF> It's the only explaination for the known facts.
[06:48] <tkamppeter> RAOF, I do not really know whether colord supports calibration devices, I think rather not. And CM without calibration support does not make much sense.
[06:48] <desrt> incorrect.  boeing built one, air canada bought it from them, and i hired their services.
[06:48] <RAOF> tkamppeter: Yeah, that's true.
[06:49] <RAOF> The devils!  I knew those aircraft manufacturers were hiding something.
[06:49] <tkamppeter> RAOF, didrocks, a lot to do before FF and in addition, I have a session on Desktop Summit on Wed.
[06:49] <desrt> RAOF: this particular transporter is somewhat slower than the ones you may remember from star trek
[06:50] <desrt> takes 8 hours, all in all, for the transport
[06:50] <desrt> with some rather obnoxious preparation required for an hour or two before you even begin using it
[06:50] <didrocks> hey desrt!
[06:51] <desrt> didrocks: hey
[06:51] <desrt> didrocks: i guess you're flying later today?
[06:51] <didrocks> desrt: yeah, I'm leaving in 40 minutes for the airport, then Lyon -> Amsterdam -> Berlin
[06:51] <desrt> dbarth: good morning
[06:52] <didrocks> desrt: just the time to still push some stuff to break oneiric before leaving (6 this morning and counting…)
[06:52] <desrt> good.  seb isn't awake yet.
[06:53] <didrocks> I guess not ;)
[06:53] <didrocks> oh, 7 now!
[06:53] <didrocks> desrt: are you going to the pre-registration this evening?
[06:54] <desrt> i didn't know of it
[06:54] <desrt> i guess i should :)
[06:54] <desrt> where is it?
[06:54] <didrocks> desrt: https://www.desktopsummit.org/program/pre-registration
[06:55] <desrt> sounds good
[06:56] <desrt> didrocks: sounds KLMish
[06:56] <mvo> didrocks: my plan exactly, upload new apt with tons of $stuff, leave for the weekend
[06:56] <mvo> didrocks: have a good trip!
[06:56] <desrt> mvo: it's the best way to do it
[06:57] <didrocks> mvo: thanks a lot, have a good oneiric breakage :-)
[06:57] <desrt> that way when someone get angry friday evening they've either calmed down or (better yet) fixed it by monday
[06:59] <dbarth> desrt: good morning
[07:00] <RAOF> didrocks: There you go.  Now with COPYING.GPL-2.
[07:00] <didrocks> dbarth: FYI, brandon sent to me the xapian patch, the tests passes there, I pushed that to the ubuntu-desktop ppa
[07:00] <didrocks> RAOF: thanks, I'll do the promotion at the airport I guess
[07:01]  * didrocks still needs to shave and prepare the laptop-pack
[07:01] <dbarth> didrocks: yup, read that this morning
[07:01] <desrt> ...you know you work too hard when...
[07:01] <didrocks> sucks that the Lyon airport doesn't have any free wifi :/
[07:01] <desrt> christ
[07:02] <desrt> for how expensive it is to get there, you think they'd atleast give you free wifi
[07:02] <didrocks> desrt: I don't think it's the same company TBH ;)
[07:02] <desrt> indeed.  ripoffs all around :)
[07:02] <desrt> the free wifi at frankfurt is quite a new thing...
[07:03] <desrt> it's only in the lounge, it seems
[07:03] <desrt> but they didn't even have it here before
[07:04] <didrocks> oh ok, at least, amsterdam is nice for that (2x30 minutes)
[07:04] <desrt> lol
[07:05] <desrt> inf*30 minutes if you know how to use ifconfig hw
[07:05] <mvo> didrocks: its a geek gathering, no need for shaving
[07:05] <mvo> desrt: clam-down or fix> good thinking!
[07:05] <didrocks> mvo: I want to pass the security still :p
[07:06] <mvo> lol
[07:06] <desrt> didrocks: i think your beard needs to be a bit longer before you get profiled
[07:08] <jbicha> didrocks: could you check https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/transmission/transmission-2.33/+merge/70233
[07:08] <jbicha> or I could have someone else do it
[07:09] <mvo> jbicha: I will do it, didrocks needs to shave
[07:09] <jbicha> mvo: thanks
[07:13] <mvo> looks good, uploaded
[07:18] <didrocks> desrt: yeah, even after two months of hard beard work, I didn't succeed :)
[07:18] <didrocks> jbicha: FYI, lib* MIRed
[07:20] <desrt> didrocks: ah.  haven't shaved since i saw you, then?
[07:20] <desrt> me neither :D
[07:20] <didrocks> desrt: I hadn't shave since last rally TBH ;)
[07:21] <didrocks> or even a week before, the Qt contributor summit I guess
[07:22] <desrt> i did at the rally
[07:22] <desrt> but otherwise, pretty similar situation
[07:22] <desrt> i say you keep it
[07:23] <didrocks> desrt: too late ;)
[07:23] <desrt> i had a feeling :p
[07:23] <desrt> "hadn't" has a certain implication
[07:23] <didrocks> indeed :)
[07:24]  * desrt goes for a coffee then a plane
[07:24] <desrt> see you tonight
[07:26] <didrocks> desrt: see you tonight!
[07:26]  * didrocks goes now, see you!
[07:32] <tkamppeter> I succeeded, I got Argyll compiled!
[07:39] <chrisccoulson> tkamppeter, \o/
[07:39] <chrisccoulson> hi everyone :)
[07:41] <seb128> hey
[07:42] <rickspencer3> good morning seb128
[07:42] <seb128> hey rickspencer3, how are you?
[07:42] <rickspencer3> seb128, doing well
[07:42] <rickspencer3> I had a nice dinner with huats and his family last night
[07:42] <rickspencer3> that guy is so cool and kind
[07:43] <tjaalton> slomo: hey, you're the gstreamer maintaner, right? I've got some mp3's that fail to play in banshee, and at least one of them makes it crash. Apparently it's a gstreamer bug, would you like the files somewhere to debug it?
[07:44] <slomo> tjaalton: does it crash with totem too?
[07:44] <seb128> rickspencer3, yeah, huats is really nice ;-)
[07:44] <slomo> tjaalton: file a bug at bugzilla.gnome.org against gstreamer, best with a sample file
[07:44] <tjaalton> slomo: yes, though totem is completely broken atm on oneiric
[07:44] <tjaalton> slomo: ok I'll do that. once I recover the account :)
[07:44] <seb128> tjaalton, how broken?
[07:45] <tjaalton> seb128: doesn't start, crashes
[07:45] <seb128> tjaalton, try uninstalling totem-plugins?
[07:45] <slomo> tjaalton: and rhythmbox or gst123 maybe? :)
[07:45] <tjaalton> seb128: that did it
[07:46] <tjaalton> slomo: ah, installed gst123, thanks
[07:46] <seb128> ok, that's the same issue ricotz was mentioning then
[07:46] <seb128> tjaalton, do you use i386 or amd64?
[07:46] <tjaalton> yeah I filed a bug which had a dupe already
[07:46] <tjaalton> amd64
[07:46] <seb128> ricotz says it's the libpeas update which create the issue but it works for me
[07:46] <seb128> wondering if that's amd64 specific
[07:49] <tjaalton> slomo: yeah totem and gst123 both hang too. vlc plays the file
[07:50] <tjaalton> sweet, some files play on oneiric when they didn't on natty
[07:51] <slomo> tjaalton: ok, file a bug please
[07:51] <tjaalton> slomo: yep
[07:52] <tjaalton> I filed one on lp already, will do the same on b.g.o
[07:53] <tjaalton> the source flac had some glitches, maybe gst doesn't like those on the mp3
[07:54] <slomo> tjaalton: if it's a plain mp3 that definitely isn't the problem
[07:54] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you?
[07:54] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks
[07:54] <seb128> how are you?
[07:54] <tjaalton> slomo: ok
[07:55] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, good thanks
[07:55] <chrisccoulson> preparing for a quiet week next week with everyone at the desktop summit ;)
[07:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, lol, "quiet", you wish
[07:56] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you realize that ff is next week and since everybody will be at the summit you will have to handle desktop by yourself? ;-)
[07:56] <chrisccoulson> heh
[07:56] <chrisccoulson> lol
[07:56] <chrisccoulson> maybe i should book vacation ;)
[07:57] <tjaalton> slomo: you don't happen to have 0.11 somewhere packaged?
[07:57] <slomo> tjaalton: nope, and there's no reason for you to try it anyway
[07:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, nah, there is not slacking away from this one :p don't worry kenvandine will be around as well ;-)
[07:57] <tjaalton> slomo: ok :)
[07:57] <seb128> slomo, hey
[07:57] <seb128> slomo, is gnome-codec-install still required nowadays?
[07:58] <slomo> seb128: i don't know, do you have something else that replaces it? in aptdaemon or something?
[07:58] <seb128> slomo, I don't know exactly what it's doing and if aptdaemon provide that
[07:58] <seb128> that's what I'm trying to check :p
[08:00] <slomo> seb128: if a gstreamer plugin is missing it will be called by the application through gstreamer to ask to user to install the package(s) that are required for the plugins
[08:01] <seb128> slomo, what there any logic in gnome-codec-install or just the "install that package" code?
[08:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, don't forget to move your tb WI to beta1 btw ;-)
[08:02] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i did that already didn't i?
[08:02] <slomo> seb128: what do you mean with logic? it displays gtk windows and uses apt to search for and install the required packages
[08:08] <seb128> chrisccoulson, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-default-email-client still has 4 items on a3
[08:08] <seb128> slomo, I meant the "gst element to binary package mapping"
[08:08] <seb128> slomo, seems that aptdaemon could handle what you describe, I will have a look ;-)
[08:09] <slomo> seb128: yes, that's in there (but all the information required is inside the apt database)
[08:09] <seb128> slomo, trying to get synaptic of the CD and to stop using gtk2 as well
[08:10] <slomo> seb128: gnome-codec-install does not depend on synaptic anymore iirc
[08:11] <slomo> mvo changed that... but yes, iirc aptdaemon provides the functionality and that's what you're using now anyway, right?
[08:11] <seb128> doh
[08:11] <seb128> slomo, indeed, "python-aptdaemon-gtk | synaptic (>= 0.57.8)"
[08:12] <seb128> it showed in my rdepends on synaptic call
[08:12] <seb128> but I didn't check is was an or depends
[08:12] <seb128> ok, so it just needs to gtk2->gtk3
[08:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks ;-)
[08:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did jasoncwarner_ came back to you about the decision of the email client for Oneiric?
[08:23] <seb128> lut huats
[08:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128, he's travelling isn't he?
[08:23] <huats> hello seb128 !
[08:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, he was yesterday for sure, dunno if he's still
[08:23] <huats> and hello everyone !
[08:23] <seb128> huats, ca va ? tu donnes une bonne image des français c'est bien ;-)
[08:23] <chrisccoulson> i asked him on wednesday, but he didn't get back to me
[08:24] <huats> seb128, oh really nice to hear :)
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> he might have been asleep though ;)
[08:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, he's probably still somewhat between travelling and fighting jetlag
[08:24] <seb128> huats, on dirait que rickspencer3 trouves les français bien sympatiques ;-)
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> i should call his cell phone and wake him ;)
[08:24] <huats> seb128, après rickspencer3 donne une bonne image des américains aussi :) he fed my kid yesterday evening :)
[08:24] <huats> héhé tant mieux !
[08:25] <tkamppeter> seb128, do you know whether GNOME 3 has a successor for the gnome-color-manager, for example somewhere in g-c-c? Or was this functionality dropped?
[08:25] <seb128> tkamppeter, it's in gnome-control-center
[08:25] <huats> rickspencer3, please the next time don't say to théo the time you woke up... because this morning he woke me up at 6:35...
[08:25] <seb128> tkamppeter, but we don't built yet because we need to get colord first for that
[08:25] <tkamppeter> seb128, so it only needs a rebuild of g-c-c after colord is in?
[08:25] <rickspencer3> huats, ah yes, I certain the fault is all mine
[08:26] <seb128> tkamppeter, yes
[08:26] <huats> rickspencer3, ;)
[08:26] <huats> seb128, and you might have not noticed but I also did an update yesterday :D
[08:26] <seb128> huats, see that's the issue, when rickspencer3 talks people to listen and do what he says :p
[08:26] <rickspencer3> lol
[08:26] <tkamppeter> seb128, so I will close the gnome-color-manager bug. No MIR needed, all needed already in GNOME3, so one WI less.
[08:26] <rickspencer3> seb128, oh don't I wish!
[08:26] <seb128> huats, yeah, nice to see you doing some desktop work ;-)
[08:26] <huats> seb128, indeed  :)
[08:27] <seb128> tkamppeter, great
[08:27] <huats> seb128, you should move to Toulouse I might do even more ;)
[08:27] <rickspencer3> seb128 should move to Toulouse!
[08:35] <seb128> lol
[08:35] <seb128> huats, rickspencer3: in fact I'm moving to Berlin today :p
[08:35] <rickspencer3> seb128, ah, enjoy!
[08:36] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[08:37] <huats> :)
[08:37] <jbicha> tkamppeter: I don't think gnome-color-manager was completely killed, gnome still has a source package
[08:37] <jbicha> maybe we don't need what's left
[08:38] <seb128> jbicha, it's clearly not "needed"
[08:38] <jbicha> ok
[08:38] <seb128> it's like gpm which still has the statistics ui
[08:38] <seb128> you can use that but you don't "need" it
[08:39] <tkamppeter> jbicha, I have moved to g-c-c anyway as this seems to be the standard now.
[09:10] <seb128> mvo, can we drop the update-notifier recommends to a suggests?
[09:11] <seb128> mvo, or do you prefer to get it ported to aptdaemon for the few things it uses synaptic for?
[09:11] <seb128> mvo, hey btw ;-)
[09:13] <mvo> seb128: I would like to port it, I think its staightforward. I will check after lunch
[09:14] <mvo> is it the only remainaing one?
[09:14] <seb128> mvo, yes
[09:15] <seb128> mvo, I had gnome-codec-install on my list but that as an error, it as an | synaptic
[09:15] <seb128> mvo, I just confirmed on a3 live session, nothing goes away if I uninstall synaptic
[09:15] <seb128> it's only there because update-notifier recommends it
[09:28] <tjaalton> slomo: filed gnome bug 656018 and linked the lp bug to it
[09:28] <ubot2> Gnome bug 656018 in don't know "crash playing some mp3's" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656018
[09:29] <slomo> tjaalton: please get backtraces of the crashes with gdb
[09:30] <tjaalton> hmm ok
[09:34] <tjaalton> does gstreamer use ffmpeg for mp3's?
[09:34] <tjaalton> libgstffmpeg
[09:39] <tjaalton> can't find ddeb for libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0
[09:50] <ronoc_> mvo, ping
[09:50] <ronoc_> mvo, where can I find info about the proposed property informing of a restart
[09:51] <ronoc_> just did an upgrade but didn't see anything obvious at a glance on the transaction props on d-feet
[09:51]  * ronoc_ makes coffee
[09:55] <mvo> ronoc_: did you restart aptdaemon? it should be there?
[10:08] <ronoc_> mvo, what is the name of the property ?
[10:17] <ronoc_> mvo, when did this prop land in oneiric ?
[10:17] <ronoc_> if it only landed yesterday then I need a restart
[10:27] <ronoc_> mvo, ping you there, I need to leave shortly for the airport and was hoping to finish this off on the plane
[10:30] <seb128> ronoc_, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/76161103/aptdaemon_0.43%2Bbzr662-0ubuntu1_0.43%2Bbzr663-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[10:30] <seb128> ronoc_, that landed a week ago
[10:31] <seb128> ronoc_, RebootRequired?
[10:32] <mvo> ronoc_: hold on a sec, I fire up d-feet
[10:34] <mvo> ronoc_: with current oneiric I do: start software-center to get aptdaemon started, open d-feet, filer for apt on the system bus, go to org.debian.apt and I have the RebootRequired property there under "properties"
[10:34] <mvo> ronoc_: do you see a different result?
[10:34] <ronoc_> mvo, ah its on the apt interface, sorry i was looking at the transaction
[10:35] <ronoc_> mvo, seb128 thanks
[10:38] <mvo> ronoc_: great, have fun!
[10:38] <mvo> ronoc_: and safe travels too
[10:39] <ronoc_> mvo, thanks :)
[11:08] <davmor2> guys left clicking on rubbish bin doesn't seem to opening the rubbish bin, is this one of the shortcuts not working?
[11:30] <fagan> Ewww found a bug in ubiquity
[11:33] <fagan> Oh I think I know what might be going on
[11:42] <fagan> Nope something else :/
[13:07] <mterry> FYI, I likely will have to sign off a few hours early today
[13:17] <seb128> mterry, don't worry between people on holidays and those flying to desktop summit nobody will notice ;-)
[13:17] <mterry> seb128, fair  :)
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> heh
[13:23] <kenvandine> seb128, when do you leave?
[13:25] <seb128> kenvandine, in 35 minutes
[13:26] <kenvandine> seb128, i uploaded cimi's gtk patch, i am sure you noticed
[13:26] <kenvandine> any complaints yet?
[13:27] <seb128> kenvandine, I did
[13:27] <seb128> kenvandine, no, I'm quite happy about it
[13:27] <seb128> running gedit stopped spamming stdout with warnings it seems
[13:27] <kenvandine> cool
[13:27] <kenvandine> oh... really?
[13:27] <kenvandine> maybe gwibber has gotten less verbose too :)
[13:27]  * kenvandine is cleaning up all the json warnings now
[13:27] <davmor2> kenvandine: do you just not sleep?
[13:28] <seb128> kenvandine, yeah, those were displayed on most gtk applications
[13:28] <kenvandine> davmor2, rarely :)
[13:28] <seb128> sleep is for the weaks as asac say :p
[13:28] <kenvandine> yup!
[13:28] <davmor2> seb128: plenty of sleep when your dead says I :)
[13:28] <kenvandine> i've been up until 3am every night this week...
[13:29] <kenvandine> and my kids make sure i am up by 6:30 or 7
[13:29] <seb128> kenvandine, stop working so late!
[13:29] <kenvandine> i have lots of features i want to get into gwibber before FF :)
[13:29] <seb128> ;-)
[13:29] <seb128> brb session restart
[13:30] <kenvandine> i'll rest on vacation next month
[13:31] <davmor2> kenvandine: I've just noticed something on the new gwibber in comparison to the old not sure if it is a bug or correct though, old shows the picture of the person retweeting, new shows the original tweeter picture and say shared by the retweeter,  I'm assuming it's correct :)
[13:31] <seb128> re
[13:32] <seb128> kenvandine, btw I updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[13:32] <kenvandine> thx
[13:32] <seb128> kenvandine, if you can join the meeting in 1:30 that would be nice
[13:32] <seb128> just point to that and say that pitti will be back next week
[13:32] <kenvandine> will do
[13:32] <seb128> (though at the gir hackfest)
[13:32] <kenvandine> davmor2, indeed... that is because we do native retweets now
[13:32] <seb128> we are a bit late and dx as well so still quite some landing to do
[13:33] <kenvandine> so the native retweet displays the original tweet, intact
[13:33] <kenvandine> late on what?
[13:33] <davmor2> kenvandine: nice good to know it's working correctly then :)
[13:34] <kenvandine> seb128, Beta3?  i assume you mean alpha3 :)
[13:34]  * kenvandine will correct
[13:34] <kenvandine> seb128, oh you mean the unity updates
[13:35] <seb128> kenvandine, sorry, I fixed it
[13:35] <kenvandine> ok
[13:36] <seb128> dunno if that's the gtk update, seems likely it, but I'm happy that gedit stopped spamming stdout :p
[13:37] <seb128> kenvandine, I don't think there will be lot to discuss at the meeting this week anyway
[13:37] <seb128> the fun is going to be next week with ff rush
[13:37] <kenvandine> yeah...
[13:37] <seb128> kenvandine, do you think we should enable the empathy call ui?
[13:37] <kenvandine> seb128, i think a lot of that output was menu related
[13:37] <kenvandine> and cimi's local menubar thing might have quieted that
[13:37] <seb128> yeah, seems likely
[13:38] <kenvandine> i don't know... i haven't even tried it
[13:38] <kenvandine> that is just the clutter-gst refactoring for calls, right?
[13:38] <seb128> kenvandine, that seems like something that we should land next week if we want to land it this cycle
[13:38] <kenvandine> indeed
[13:38] <seb128> ev mentioned he wants still to use libcheese as well
[13:38] <seb128> we will need mirs for cheese, clutter-gst, mx
[13:38] <seb128> then to move camerabin to good
[13:39] <kenvandine> do you see any issues with those MIRs?
[13:39] <seb128> not sure if we should have a look at packaging gnome-contacts thing as well
[13:39] <seb128> kenvandine, no, they just need to be done ;-)
[13:39] <kenvandine> i would so love to have that
[13:39] <kenvandine> but man... so limited on time!
[13:39] <seb128> indeed
[13:40] <kenvandine> is rodrigo going to desktop summit?
[13:40] <seb128> well let's see what we can get done next week
[13:40] <seb128> no
[13:40] <seb128> he's back from holidays on sunday
[13:40] <kenvandine> maybe he can package gnome-contacts :)
[13:40] <seb128> and desktop summit conf days are saturday to monday
[13:40] <seb128> so he figured it was not worth to fly on monday
[13:40] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:40] <seb128> so yeah, he should be around next week
[13:41] <seb128> jbicha, hey
[13:41] <seb128> jbicha, would you be interested by working on any of those things we just discussed by any chance? ;-)
[13:53] <seb128> ok, time to go to the airport, see you everybody
[18:29] <micahg> kenvandine: so, you'll remove gwibber from indicator-messages now that it's seeded? :)
[18:32] <kenvandine> micahg, yup
[18:32] <kenvandine> doing it now
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, do you know when ted is going to do another indicator-messages release?
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> there's 2 changes i'd really like to get in :)
[18:33] <kenvandine> not this week :)
[18:34] <kenvandine> i think he will be back monday though
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> ie, r220 and r221 from trunk ;)
[18:34] <kenvandine> oh, in trunk already?
[18:34] <kenvandine> i can backport those
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, awesome, thanks :)
[18:41] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, good timing, i was just about to hit enter to dput indicator-messages :)
[18:42] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, you should make thunderbird default to the ubuntu font :)
[19:36] <OwaisL> Hey guys, does a Unity LauncherEntry emit any signals upon click? like indicators emit user-dislay/server-display ?
[19:43] <jbicha> kenvandine: would you be able to rescue transmission from the new queue it's been stuck in?
[19:44] <kenvandine> jbicha, sorry, now
[19:44] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#Archive_days
[19:45] <jbicha> kenvandine: oh, wasn't aware there was a schedule, thanks!
[19:47] <kenvandine> jbicha, anytime!
[19:47] <jbicha> oh, and that's an archive admin job anyway, not something core-dev can do I guess
[19:55] <kenvandine> yeah