[10:21]  * slashtom would like to float an idea regarding the ubuntu hour...
[10:22] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:22] <slashtom> hey cztab, how's the craic?
[10:23] <czajkowski> ntb
[10:23] <czajkowski> how's life with you?
[10:23] <slashtom> grand, we're back from our summer holidays
[10:24] <czajkowski> nice
[10:24] <slashtom> are you coming to dublin on your visit?
[10:26] <czajkowski> not sure tbh
[10:26] <czajkowski> I'm back for 10 days
[10:27] <czajkowski> and I think this time less running around is needed
[10:27] <slashtom> anyways, my idea for the ubuntu hour was that we could change the venue and time to better accommodate those who cannot or do not wish to enter a licenced premises, and where mid-week may be an issue
[10:30] <czajkowski> could do
[10:30] <czajkowski> aye
[10:31] <czajkowski> what ever works well tbh
[10:31] <slashtom> aye, enjoy. hope the weather stays good for you in lahinch
[10:31] <ebel> yeah
[10:31] <ebel> czajkowski: you back now?
[10:31] <czajkowski> I will say that the venue is great imo, but that's just me, maybe tweeking the day/time might help
[10:31] <czajkowski> ebel: nope, not till the 23rd
[10:32] <slashtom> i have a few problems with the venue, the food choice is very poor if you don't eat meat, and from a non-selfish point of view, we're excluded all under 18's and anyone who doesn't want to enter a licenced premises
[10:32] <ebel> usually not too much of a problem.
[10:33] <slashtom> which isn't ebel?
[10:33] <czajkowski> slashtom: I'll agree with you the menu choice for you isn't great
[10:33] <czajkowski> but we've never had an issue with under 18's
[10:33] <ebel> hehe, I was remarking to slashtom yesterday that many floss groups want to keep venues/events friendly to women and yet have meet ups in bars which is quite muslim hostile :P
[10:33] <slashtom> that's because we meet in a pub and they're not allowed
[10:33] <czajkowski> and it's a hotel so it's ok to have them there, where as if you were in a bar/pub it would be an isue
[10:34] <ebel> I mean the licenced premisis issue.
[10:34] <slashtom> we have had under 18s to a geeknic before
[10:34] <czajkowski> but again I'm not there so not my call
[10:34] <ebel> though 50% of the population are women, and <<<<50% are muslim
[10:35] <czajkowski> ebel: I know pub meet ups don't go down with women in some counteries mostly eastern and even in some usa folks I know
[10:35] <czajkowski> but yer call
[10:35] <ebel> course you wanna go down that route we'd have to think about when ramadan is on, and when lent is on, etc....
[10:35] <czajkowski> what ever ye do is your choice tbh
[10:35] <czajkowski> aye
[10:35] <slashtom> aye, i thought i would float the idea in channel first
[10:36] <ebel> czajkowski: oh i don't really care too much about the pub issue. Just depends on how pedantic you want to be. I think there's a Life of Brian skit about that :P
[10:36] <czajkowski> no I agree if you feel the venue/date/time isn't suiting you should change it
[10:36] <slashtom> my suggestion would be to meet on a saturday lunch/afternoon in a coffee shop
[10:36] <czajkowski> weekends either suit some or not others.
[10:36] <czajkowski> at the end of the day
[10:36] <czajkowski> there is no best day that will get everyone
[10:36] <czajkowski> :)
[10:36] <ebel> course we don't decide on things on abelist grounds either... how wheelchair friendly are we.... etc.
[10:36] <slashtom> suits you well if you live/work in town
[10:36] <ebel> the rabbit hole never ends...
[10:37] <czajkowski> yup
[10:37] <czajkowski> if you start to rule out places due to x y z the list will never ed
[10:37] <czajkowski> *end
[10:37] <czajkowski> but as I say
[10:37] <czajkowski> I'm not there
[10:37] <czajkowski> not my call
[10:37] <czajkowski> :)
[10:37] <slashtom> i used to work out past clonee, that was a pain getting into town for 6pm - i would always be late
[10:38] <slashtom> i also feel that the current type of location and time is on similar ground with the ILUG PoTD
[10:38] <slashtom> why not be different, and expand the scope of the linux community?
[10:38] <czajkowski> yup
[10:38] <czajkowski> can do
[10:39] <ebel> course, do we want to exclude travellers?
[10:39] <ebel> I don't know any travellers, isn't that weird...
[10:40] <slashtom> ebel: i'm not suggesting a sunday, which would clash with the horse fair ;)
[10:40] <ebel> would some venues de facto exclude travellers, do they? wonder if we have a "traveller friendly venue" :P
[10:40] <ebel> course this isn't something that's happened yet :P
[10:41] <tdr112> how about a ubuntu hour on a sat morning , 11 or some thing
[10:41]  * ebel comes back from his tangent to a real conversation :P
[10:41] <slashtom> aye, that's the sort of thing tdr112
[10:42] <ebel> yeah saturday lunch time. go to a café, get some lunch/coffee
[10:43]  * slashtom has memories of being one of the only geeks at school... so i think it would be good to be accessible to a larger audience
[10:43] <czajkowski> just note, if people have families kids hobbies, that weekends tend not to work
[10:43] <czajkowski> often easier to stay out after work for 1/2 jars and chat than leave home on a saturday when kids and parties are on
[10:44] <czajkowski> just my 2 cent
[10:44] <slashtom> the current wedneday in trinity capital hotel isn't working either
[10:44] <ebel> would weekends work for teenagers?
[10:44] <czajkowski> yup fair enough.
[10:44] <tdr112> lets try a few and see if they work better
[10:44] <ebel> easier for teenagers to go into town on a saturday afternoon than go to a pub on a school night.
[10:44] <ebel> suits different people
[10:44] <slashtom> aye, tdr112. i will send an email out to the mailing list later today on the subjet
[10:47] <tdr112> we need to get the emails/blog/tweets out about the picnic
[10:48] <czajkowski> tdr112: if you mail me details I'll add it to mine
[10:49] <slashtom> have you got a location or a big penguin ready for easy location within St Stephens Green?
[15:06]  * slashtom emails the group... maybe it takes a non-irishman to suggest moving out of the pub :)
[15:07] <czajkowski> slashtom: :)
[15:08] <czajkowski> slashtom: just looking at the list of our members I don't notice any large portion or even any minors on the list
[15:08] <czajkowski> but maybe looking at another day/time is a good idea
[15:08] <czajkowski> best of luck :)
[15:08] <czajkowski> nice to have a bit of change
[15:09] <ebel> Tis all just eastern europeans like your self czajkowski  :P
[15:09] <czajkowski> hey blame WWII for my surname
[15:09] <czajkowski> born in UK, lived there for 12 months, and then 30 years in ireland :)
[15:09] <czajkowski> I'm irish
[15:10] <czajkowski> I have no aligance to easten europe one bit
[15:10] <slashtom> tell that to everyone trying to pronounce "cztab" ;)
[15:11] <czajkowski> although http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Czajkowski is my grandfather
[15:11] <slashtom> does the mailing list even store information like DoB?
[15:12] <czajkowski> nope but going by pictures and people I know
[15:12] <czajkowski> ML doesnt ask for DOB
[15:12] <czajkowski> and the grandfather married then divorced and moved back to Poland and didnt settle in UK
[15:15] <czajkowski> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ie/+mugshots
[15:15] <czajkowski> 118 members
[15:15] <czajkowski> and 5 pending
[15:15] <ebel> czajkowski: Oh I know, I'm just joking with you. :)
[15:15] <czajkowski> touchy subject
[15:15] <czajkowski> I had no issue for so much of my life
[15:15] <slashtom> Bonglord looks very young
[15:15] <czajkowski> then the influx of pols coming in
[15:15] <czajkowski> I got lumped into same bunch
[15:15] <czajkowski> didnt like it
[15:15] <ebel> You're well Irish in my book.
[15:16] <czajkowski> slashtom: that's an 70/80s job pic
[15:16] <czajkowski> I guess we get some young new members like 1st year students come september
[15:16] <czajkowski> but most are 18 starting uni over here
[15:16] <czajkowski> or turning soon
[15:16] <slashtom> aye
[15:16] <czajkowski> I think ya have to do what ye feel is right
[15:17] <tdr112> wow that is a great quote Being a doctor is very depressing. You're always surrounded by sick people."
[15:17] <czajkowski> it's none of my business. I just know people don't like giving up weekends much :/
[15:17] <ebel> anyways, tis always interesting to try to open things up, attrack people who may or may not be able to come
[15:17] <slashtom> i'm not on that list
[15:17] <ebel> sure we'll see what happens.
[15:17] <tdr112> reading all about Mr czajkowski
[15:18] <slashtom> most people aren't willing to give up a wednesday either!
[15:18] <czajkowski> slashtom: did you join the team ?
[15:18] <czajkowski> ebel: exactly
[15:18] <czajkowski> tdr112: I've no polite opinion of the man
[15:18] <czajkowski> he's related by blood and that's it
[15:19] <slashtom> i signed up to the mailing list, i didn't realise i had more to do
[15:20] <ebel> slashtom: launchpad has teams
[15:20] <czajkowski> slashtom: yeah join the team :)
[15:20] <czajkowski> be one of us
[15:20] <czajkowski> ok
[15:20] <czajkowski> hve got to get a cold shower
[15:20] <czajkowski> it's BOILING HOT HERE
[15:20] <czajkowski> toodles folks
[15:21] <czajkowski> tdr112: mail me geeknic info
[23:41] <royan> 'morning.
[23:42] <moylan> tis
[23:46] <royan> Looking for a hint. Trying to install using 10.10 LiveCD, but it gets OOM before reaching desktop, so I'm thinking I might add some usb swap just to get the install going; but how do you interrupt to a shell and then continue?
[23:47] <moylan> how much ram has the system got?
[23:47] <royan> can you set swap in a boot option?
[23:47] <royan> euw, about 256M, minus some for shared gfx
[23:48] <royan> if I switch to a console, I can see the oom killer in action
[23:50] <moylan> that is a little light alright.
[23:51] <moylan> only thing i can see for swap space is; http://codeidol.com/unix/ubuntu/Getting-Started/Customize-the-Ubuntu-Live-CD/
[23:52] <royan> I saw that, the swap considerations there are for a machine /creating/ a CD, not for the target host.