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| lifeless | apw: hi; I'm curious if you think bug 729338 will have a fix before oneiric is released, or should we look for alternative workarounds ? | 01:27 |
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| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 729338 in linux "yama hardlink restriction misbehaves under aufs" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/729338 | 01:27 |
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| * apw yawns | 07:30 | |
| * smb waves (a coffee) | 07:30 | |
| * apw reposts with a cup of english breakfast | 07:31 | |
| RAOF | Capitol! | 07:44 |
| apw | A | 07:49 |
| smb | B | 07:53 |
| RAOF | No, capital is where the government lives. Capitol is the accepted response for english breakfast tea. | 07:54 |
| * smb was hoping to score 7 for doing a cab... :-P | 07:55 | |
| apw | RAOF, i have have heard the sound of "capital" used in the context of "capital idea" i didn't think it spelt differently though | 07:57 |
| RAOF | My version is! | 07:58 |
| apw | heh, well i assumed a miss-spelling and worked with that. but indeed it is a capit[oa]l idea, so much so i need another | 08:00 |
| tjaalton | RAOF: just to confuse some more, Capitol Hill is where the US government lives ;) | 08:04 |
| apw | tjaalton, ahh but that really is a differnt spelling (with an o) | 08:06 |
| tjaalton | apw: yeah, just a reply to the "capital is where.." | 08:08 |
| * smb thought it was capital hill... well until they nearly went out of it now... :-P | 08:09 | |
| jk-- | hey RAOF, tjaalton, smb, and apw. | 08:09 |
| * apw waves to jk-- ----- | 08:09 | |
| smb | hi jk-- | 08:09 |
| tjaalton | jk--: o/ | 08:09 |
| * jk-- makes use of the Oxford Comma while it still exists | 08:09 | |
| === jk-- is now known as jk- | ||
| smb | jk++ ? ;) | 08:10 |
| jk- | :D | 08:10 |
| jk- | smb: too similar to c++ | 08:11 |
| smb | jk-, Oh, you did not accidentally type code when setting the nick then... ;-) | 08:11 |
| jk- | /nick intmain(void) | 08:13 |
| jk- | /nick intmain(void){return0;} | 08:13 |
| jk- | :) | 08:13 |
| * apw calls you initmain from now on | 08:14 | |
| apw | intmain even | 08:14 |
| jk- | only if I can call you EXIT_FAILURE | 08:14 |
| jk- | or maybe EXIT_SUCCESS, less bad connotations | 08:15 |
| apw | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/821157 | 08:17 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 821157 in linux "intel 5300agn in Oneric leads w722v to reboot" [Undecided,New] | 08:17 |
| apw | if i am reading this right oneiric causes their wireless router to reboot ... | 08:17 |
| jk- | nice | 08:18 |
| lilstevie | apw: how odd | 08:19 |
| apw | indeed. and i am unsure how i am meant to help with it ... your router is clearly broken if a client can crash it | 08:20 |
| lilstevie | yeah | 08:21 |
| lilstevie | I mean like what, if an ATM went out of order when you put your card in, there is something wrong with the atm not your card | 08:21 |
| apw | when my car drove over the bridge it collapsed, your car is clearly faulty please fix it | 08:22 |
| lilstevie | heh | 08:22 |
| jk- | "but it worked with my previous car!" | 08:23 |
| lilstevie | some people have a hard time with cause and effect | 08:24 |
| apw | jk-, on the nail | 08:32 |
| lilstevie | got anymore info | 09:35 |
| bullgard6 | Natty writes at startup in a virtual console: "[1.581365] mmc0: no vmc regulator found". I suppose that this message originates from the MMC kernel subsystem. What kernel routine or program does cause this message? | 10:04 |
| apw | bullgard6, what h/w is that from | 10:26 |
| apw | bullgard6, and is that verbatim copy? ie could it be vmmc in the middle ? | 10:27 |
| bullgard6 | apw: The hardware is a Thinkpad T61. Yes, I made a mistake. It should read "vmmc". I beg your pardon. | 12:15 |
| bullgard6 | apw: In the mean time I found out that /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.38/drivers/mmc/host/sdhci.c includes a printk line of this text. | 12:18 |
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| apw | bullgard6, i am trying to understand if there is an issue associated with this, or if you just are querying the error | 12:42 |
| bullgard6 | apw: Once I tested this computer using an SD card, and it worked. I would like to know what this warning means to me. | 13:08 |
| apw | bullgard6, from what i am reading your mmc slot can have an option power regulator, if that is found we enable it else we emit that message | 13:16 |
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| * ogasawara back in 20 | 14:20 | |
| === medberry is now known as med_out | ||
| sforshee | cnd, I have a question for you about input multitouch protocol when you have a minute | 14:58 |
| cnd | sforshee, sure | 15:01 |
| sforshee | cnd, I'm working with a touchpad driver, 2-finger touch seems to be working fine but 3-finger events aren't | 15:03 |
| sforshee | comparing the output from this driver to that from synaptics, the only thing I see different is that this driver only reports 1 MT position whereas synaptics reports 2 | 15:03 |
| cnd | which touchpad? | 15:03 |
| sforshee | elantech | 15:03 |
| sforshee | the tripletap event is reported, but the device only gives a single position for 3 touches | 15:04 |
| sforshee | cnd, in ubuntu a 3-finger tap just acts like a 1-finger tap | 15:05 |
| sforshee | and a 3-finger drag like a 1-finger drag | 15:05 |
| cnd | sforshee, this is typical for multifinger touchpads | 15:06 |
| cnd | are you sure it's actually multitouch?> | 15:06 |
| apw | yeah multi-finger is not the same | 15:07 |
| sforshee | cnd, it reports the number of contacts (up to 3) and with 2 fingers it reports 2 positions | 15:07 |
| cnd | sforshee, oh, and then it drops down to one position for three touches? | 15:07 |
| sforshee | yep | 15:08 |
| sforshee | cnd, would it help to see a dump of the events? | 15:09 |
| cnd | hmm | 15:09 |
| cnd | it wouldn't hurt | 15:09 |
| cnd | so what questions do you have? | 15:10 |
| sforshee | cnd, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/659348/ | 15:10 |
| sforshee | cnd, I guess my question is what events the driver needs to spit out to have 3 contact gestures properly supported | 15:11 |
| cnd | ok | 15:11 |
| apw | sforshee, do you know that it can even do three touch | 15:11 |
| sforshee | cnd, that dump is for dragging on the touchpad with 3 fingers | 15:11 |
| apw | just cause it can tell you that there are three fingers touching doesn't mean i knows where they are | 15:11 |
| sforshee | apw, it reports that there are 3 contacts, but only reports one position | 15:11 |
| sforshee | right | 15:11 |
| cnd | sforshee, can you provide me the full dump that includes the transitions from 1 to 2 to 3 touches | 15:11 |
| apw | that as they say tells you nothing | 15:11 |
| sforshee | but isn't that enough for a 3-finger tap or drag? | 15:12 |
| cnd | sforshee, multifinger mode, which this looks to be, would be enough | 15:12 |
| apw | now that is a different thing, and likely it should be | 15:12 |
| cnd | except we don't actually have the support for it | 15:12 |
| sforshee | cnd, let me get that dump for you | 15:12 |
| apw | c | 15:12 |
| cnd | we gave it a shot about a year ago, and it broke devices | 15:13 |
| apw | cnd we gett | 15:13 |
| apw | cnd we getting anything new for this cycle? | 15:13 |
| cnd | and we never tried again | 15:13 |
| cnd | apw, kernel patches or? | 15:13 |
| apw | functionality in touch | 15:13 |
| apw | from a user perspective | 15:13 |
| cnd | yes | 15:13 |
| cnd | so we're still working on eog and evince to get smooth scrolling and rotate and pinch to zoom | 15:13 |
| sforshee | cnd, with a synaptics touchpad I'm getting 3-finger taps == middle click and 3-finger drag moves the window around | 15:14 |
| cnd | hopefully those land before FF next week | 15:14 |
| cnd | we just published utouch-qml to universe | 15:14 |
| cnd | that will make writing new qml applications with touch really easy | 15:14 |
| cnd | sforshee, yeah, that's with sem-multitouch | 15:14 |
| cnd | which is a step up from multifinger | 15:14 |
| cnd | apw, that's also something new this cycle | 15:15 |
| cnd | semi-multitouch synaptics trackpads have some gesture support | 15:15 |
| sforshee | cnd, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/659355/ | 15:16 |
| sforshee | let me know if that isn't what you meant | 15:16 |
| cnd | sforshee, in this event stream, did you go from 0->1->2->3 or from 0->1->0->2->0->3? | 15:18 |
| apw | sforshee, is that ... heh waht he said | 15:18 |
| sforshee | cnd, the latter | 15:18 |
| sforshee | I guess you want the former? | 15:18 |
| cnd | yep :) | 15:18 |
| sforshee | okay, just a sec | 15:18 |
| cnd | but this does help too :) | 15:19 |
| sforshee | cnd, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/659356/ | 15:19 |
| sforshee | now you should have plenty of data :) | 15:19 |
| cnd | indeed :) | 15:20 |
| cnd | sforshee, is this really 0->1->2->3? | 15:21 |
| cnd | cause the data is still the other way | 15:21 |
| apw | sforshee, its the exact same data including timestamps | 15:21 |
| sforshee | rats, let me try again... | 15:21 |
| cnd | heh | 15:22 |
| sforshee | cnd, apw: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/659357/ | 15:23 |
| sforshee | I just got the wrong file | 15:23 |
| cnd | ok | 15:23 |
| cnd | sforshee, is this the upstream elantech driver, or from somewhere else? | 15:25 |
| davmor2 | sforshee: Hey dude, you know the fix that you put into the proposed kernel that made the atheros driver work, the latest natty kernel seems to of removed it again I think | 15:25 |
| sforshee | cnd, it's upstream plus some work I've been doing to support a new model | 15:25 |
| cnd | sforshee, does the hardware cease to give two points when you put three fingers down? | 15:26 |
| sforshee | davmor2, do you have a bug number that I can refer too? | 15:26 |
| sforshee | cnd, yes | 15:26 |
| cnd | or is it something in the driver that is causing that to happen | 15:26 |
| cnd | hmmm | 15:26 |
| davmor2 | sforshee: just tracking it down | 15:26 |
| sforshee | cnd, the v2 support in the upstream driver is pretty similar to what I have, the difference largely being how 2-touch coordinates are reported | 15:27 |
| sforshee | by the hardware that is | 15:27 |
| cnd | sforshee, if the hardware ceases to give two coordinates when there are three touches, then I suppose this is the best you can do | 15:28 |
| cnd | I don't know what our stack would do in this case, but I'm guessing it won't see three finger gestures | 15:28 |
| davmor2 | sforshee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/710738 | 15:29 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 710738 in linux "Regression latest kernel breaks my Atheros AR5001 wifi" [High,Fix released] | 15:29 |
| cnd | you can run geistest (in utouch-geis-tools) to see what gestures are emitted | 15:29 |
| sforshee | cnd, okay, that's what I wanted to know -- whether I needed to do something different in the driver | 15:29 |
| cnd | sforshee, if it's something you are interested in, you could also add support to our stack for it :) | 15:29 |
| sforshee | cnd, thanks -- that answers another question I have, what tools to use to test multitouch :) | 15:29 |
| cnd | there are multiple tools, but that's the easiest to use and read | 15:29 |
| sforshee | cnd, thanks a lot! | 15:30 |
| cnd | sure, np | 15:30 |
| davmor2 | sforshee: nevermind I've just fired it up again and now it's working so meh | 15:30 |
| cnd | ok, time to actually get up for the day | 15:32 |
| sforshee | davmor2, I just checked and the patches are definitely still in natty | 15:32 |
| sforshee | hopefully it keeps working for you :-/ | 15:33 |
| davmor2 | sforshee: yeah I think there might just of been a glitch after the initial install, seems fine now :) | 15:33 |
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| * apw takes a risk and updates one of his machines | 16:17 | |
| apw | if you don't see me again you know why | 16:17 |
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| jjohansen | ogasawara, apw: sorry about the ipv6 patch, it was done Friday at the sprint and somehow I dropped it. /me swears it was sent then :/ | 17:52 |
| ogasawara | jjohansen: no worries. I had it on my todo list to review, so thanks for doing the work! | 17:53 |
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| ogasawara | jjohansen: I'll get applied for the upload I'm preparing | 17:53 |
| jjohansen | ogasawara: I am going to drop an apparmor patch next week, would you prefer revert patches for current stuff, or do you plan to just rebase? | 17:54 |
| ogasawara | jjohansen: probably easier for me if you revert patches for current stuff | 17:55 |
| jjohansen | ogasawara: okay, then that is what I will do | 17:56 |
| manjo | pgraner, do you have root on tangerine? can you install unzip ? | 18:14 |
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| sforshee | anyone around that can approve my nominations on bug 583760 ? | 18:42 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 583760 in gentoo "[PATCH] Mouse cursor dissappears with nouveau" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/583760 | 18:42 |
| ogasawara | sforshee: done | 18:43 |
| sforshee | ogasawara, thanks! | 18:43 |
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| * ogasawara lunch | 19:52 | |
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| pgraner | manjo, nope I sure don;t | 20:10 |
| manjo | cool np | 20:11 |
| cnd | sforshee, I remembered one other thing that you need to be sure to do with the elantech driver | 20:17 |
| cnd | be sure to set the maximum slot value at 1 so that it matches what the device gives, and set the INPUT_PROP_SEMI_MT property for the device | 20:17 |
| sforshee | cnd, thanks for the tips | 20:19 |
| sforshee | testing with geistest didn't go so well | 20:19 |
| cnd | no? | 20:21 |
| sforshee | most gestures were just detected as drags | 20:21 |
| sforshee | cnd, the driver already does both of those | 20:23 |
| cnd | sforshee, ahh, great :) | 20:34 |
| cnd | sforshee, what did you expect for gestures? | 20:34 |
| cnd | you should only be able to get two touch drags and pinchs | 20:34 |
| sforshee | cnd, oh, really? then it didn't do so bad | 20:35 |
| sforshee | cnd, I saw this page and tried to run through those tests: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Hardware/Touchscreen/Multitouch | 20:35 |
| cnd | sforshee, SEMI_MT alone limits you so you can't do rotate | 20:37 |
| sforshee | cnd, that explains it then :) | 20:37 |
| cnd | SEMI_MT means you have a bounding box, but you don't actually know where the touches are | 20:37 |
| cnd | the actual touches could be at (x1, y1) (x2, y2) or (x1, y2) (x2, y1) | 20:38 |
| cnd | and if you don't know where they are, then you can't do rotation | 20:38 |
| cnd | but you can do pinch by watching if the bounding box's area is changing | 20:38 |
| sforshee | cnd, that makes sense, and seems entirely appropriate for this device | 20:39 |
| cnd | sforshee, can you get three touch drags? | 20:39 |
| cnd | you may not see them in geistest | 20:39 |
| cnd | because unity may be grabbing them | 20:39 |
| cnd | but if you run geistest in gnome 2 then you could get them | 20:39 |
| sforshee | cnd, no | 20:40 |
| cnd | ok | 20:40 |
| sforshee | it's behaving like a one touch drag | 20:40 |
| cnd | there's some logic in utouch-frame that emits the number of touches based on BTN_TOOL_*TAP events for SEMI_MT devices | 20:41 |
| cnd | if you are interested, you could poke at it to generate the correct number of touches for these devices | 20:41 |
| cnd | and then three finger drags may work | 20:41 |
| sforshee | cnd, it's sending the tripletap event | 20:41 |
| sforshee | but only one touch point | 20:41 |
| cnd | yeah, that would be enough for drags, but not pinches of course | 20:41 |
| cnd | there's probably a bit of logic in utouch-frame that needs to be tweaked | 20:42 |
| sforshee | cnd, in the pastebin from earlier you can see the events: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/659357/ | 20:42 |
| sforshee | but no triple touch drag | 20:42 |
| cnd | sforshee, the driver is working properly | 20:47 |
| cnd | it's a matter of "fixing" utouch-frame to make it emit three touches when the driver emits BTN_TOOL_TRIPLETAP | 20:47 |
| cnd | utouch-frame does this already for synaptics, but synaptics emits 2 slots from the driver when there are more than 2 fingers | 20:47 |
| cnd | elantech emits 1 slot from the driver when there are more than 2 fingers | 20:48 |
| sforshee | cnd, okay, I get you now | 20:48 |
| cnd | something about that is throwing off utouch-frame | 20:48 |
| cnd | you don't have to look into utouch-frame if you're busy, I'm not trying to push work on you :) | 20:48 |
| cnd | but if it interests you, that's where you would look | 20:48 |
| sforshee | cnd, I probably won't have time to anytime soon, but I might take a look later on | 20:49 |
| cnd | ok | 20:49 |
| cnd | sforshee, I'm just happy to have one more person who speaks the language of the input subsystem :) | 20:51 |
| sforshee | cnd, I've got more touchpad work queued up for next week too :) | 20:51 |
| cnd | you better watch out though, you could get slurped into the multitouch team :) | 20:52 |
| * sforshee shudders | 20:52 | |
| cnd | that's an appropriate response | 20:52 |
| cnd | :) | 20:52 |
| bjf | cnd, i know where you live | 20:52 |
| cnd | bjf, I need to be careful too, cause my only get-away vehicle is a bike... | 20:53 |
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