[00:15] <jdevel> This is a config for dovecot, in the example at http://pastebin.com/rWJSSuXk in the auth default{user = root} does this user really need to be root?  Why not the virtual_mail user?
[00:25] <bkerensa> jdevel: I dont think it requires root
[00:26] <patdk-lap> jdevel, what kind of example is that? looks very old
[00:28] <jdevel> I found it on the web
[00:28] <jdevel> I'm sure it is old
[00:29] <patdk-lap> well, if you need root or not all depends on how you have the sql setup
[00:29] <patdk-lap> does it need root to access the sql server?
[00:29] <jdevel> it shouldn't, I have all the postfix virtual user/domain data in a database with it's own user
[00:29] <jdevel> and that user is used to do the authentication
[00:29] <patdk-lap> yes, but how does it access it? socket? tcp? ...
[00:30] <jdevel> I believe it's using a socket
[00:31] <jdevel> so it's a postfix, dovecot, saslauthd, mysql setup
[00:31] <jdevel> using mysql to handle the virtual users
[00:35] <patdk-lap> just make it whatever you want, like, dovecot
[00:39] <jdevel> anyone know a good open relay test?
[00:39] <jdevel> something fast
[00:40] <jdevel> other than telnet
[00:44] <rww> jdevel: as in mailserver open relay?
[00:45] <alamar> there's one from abuse.com iirc
[00:45] <alamar> er.. abuse.net
[00:45] <rww> http://www.abuse.net/relay.html (first Google result for "open relay test")
[00:45] <alamar> that's the one %)
[01:08] <zul> adam_g: dealing with tired 4 year old whats up?
[01:39] <DanaG> argh, stupid forked-daapd... doesn't respond to sigterm.
[01:56] <twb> offtopic, but I have a strange behaviour -- wine1.2 is installed (from lucid-updates), but dpkg -L says that package doesn't contain wineprefixcreate.  WTF.
[01:58] <twb> and yet packages.ubuntu.com lists it in wine1.0 and wine1.2's Contents files for i386 lucid
[01:58] <twb> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=wineprefixcreate&mode=exactfilename&suite=lucid&arch=i386
[02:02] <rww> It's in lucid's and not lucid-update's, according to packages.ubuntu.com.
[02:02]  * rww pages through changelogs
[02:03] <rww> ah. http://wiki.jswindle.com/index.php/Wineprefixcreate says it's deprecated
[02:15] <twb> rww: thanks.
[02:15] <twb> rww: that's gonna screw with me because I'm create a partial wine skeleton, and I'm using wineprefixcreate to finish populating .wine with default values
[02:16] <twb> Is there another way in e.g. /etc/skel to set up wine registry and drive letter mappings, without having to have an entire .wine in /etc/skel?
[02:17] <twb> Having the whole .wine in there is problematic because it e.g. includes user-specific /home/fred paths
[02:21] <twb> Hmm, that page mentions using wineboot instead; I'll play with that
[02:51] <braxton> Heeeeeello gents.
[02:52] <braxton> I just installed a mail server via tasksel.
[02:52] <braxton> I was able to send a message to my gmail, which was weird enough
[02:52] <braxton> But then when I replied, I couldn't figure out how to receive my mail on the server.
[02:53] <Delerium_> braxton, Replying from gmail to your server?
[02:53] <braxton> Yeah.
[02:53] <braxton> I was a bit confused during the setup in tasksel.
[02:53] <Delerium_> braxton, Do you have you own domain with a MX records?
[02:54] <braxton> It asked me which type of mail server I wanted, or the configuration, that is, and I chose the second from the top--Internet.
[02:54] <braxton> No, I don't. I just used my IP address to reply.
[02:54] <Delerium_> (never use tasksel... I only install Zimbra ... So I'm just trying to help you out with the best of my knowledge)
[02:55] <Delerium_> braxton, that's probably the reason why ... when a email server is trying to "route" the email, it will look at the DNS to see if your domain have a MX records (which points to the mail server for your domain)
[02:56] <braxton> I don't have a domain for the computer I used.
[02:56] <braxton> Er...
[02:57] <braxton> So, you're saying I can't just send an email to me@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx?
[02:58] <braxton> OH!
[02:58] <braxton> I think I know why!
[02:58] <Delerium_> braxton, Not using gmail, since I ***THINK** it will try to resolve the MX record in the DNS.  And if it's a local server (home), I guess port 25 might be blocked
[02:58] <braxton> I didn't set up the port forwarding on my router and modem so that it would get to my computer.
[02:58] <Delerium_> braxton, indeed, that's something to tet
[02:58] <braxton> I'm such a dunce. That's why it could get out but not back in.
[02:58] <Delerium_> .. test..
[02:59] <Delerium_> braxton, try it.. but I doubt ;)
[02:59] <braxton> I think it might work, I can be hopeful :D
[02:59] <Delerium_> braxton, but again, I'm no expert
[02:59] <braxton> Port 25, you say?
[03:00] <twb> The obvious first question is: have you set up a mail server before?
[03:00] <Delerium_> SMTP: Port 25 - POP3 - Port 110 (if I remember correctly)
[03:00] <twb> Then: have you read what the Ubuntu Server Guide has to say about doing so?
[03:00] <twb> Delerium_: yes, MTAs will speak to one another using SMTP on port 25/tcp by default.
[03:01] <Delerium_> twb: and AFAIK, you need a MX record in a DNS ?  If not, you can't only "reply" to a IP Adress on which a SMTP is listening!?
[03:04] <braxton> It sort of worked, but not really.
[03:04] <braxton> This time, my server gave me an error code.
[03:04] <Delerium_> Which is?
[03:04] <braxton> The error that the other server returned was: 501 501 5.1.3 Bad recipient address syntax (state 14).
[03:13] <braxton> So...
[03:13] <twb> You need an MX RR, yes.
[03:13] <braxton> Is it even possible to run a little mailserver from a home computer without a fqdn?
[03:13] <twb> braxton: yes, but unless you own a domain, nobody will send it any email
[03:14] <braxton> I'm just doing it as an experiment.
[03:14] <braxton> I'd still like to know how, if at all, I can send an e-mail to it.
[03:14] <DanaG> Could you do it with dyndns?
[03:15] <braxton> Oh, well, yeah.
[03:15] <braxton> I do have that set up already.
[03:16] <braxton> Okay, at DynDNS, there's an option that says,
[03:16] <braxton> "I have mail server with another name and would like to add MX hostname..."
[03:16] <braxton> Should I select that and what does it mean?
[03:17] <DanaG> Try without that option, with your dyndns.
[03:17] <braxton> MMmmkay.
[03:17] <DanaG> You might as well, before enabling that option.
[03:19] <braxton> Okay, so I sent it to the DynDNS address I already set up for web hosting.
[03:19] <twb> You might as well ensure you can manually speak SMTP to it from the outside world before you bother with DNS
[03:19] <braxton> Great, that failed.
[03:19] <braxton> The error that the other server returned was: 554 554 5.7.1 <root@braxton-comic.dyndns.org>: Relay access denied (state 14).
[03:20] <braxton> Okay, how should I go about doing that, twb?
[03:20] <twb> braxton: relay means you asked it to deliver mail for a domain for which it is not responsible
[03:20] <braxton> What?
[03:20] <twb> e.g. connecting to gmail and saying "hi, please accept this message for fred@example.com and send it on to him"
[03:20] <braxton> Sorry if I'm bothering you guys.
[03:21] <braxton> Oh.
[03:21] <twb> Doing so would be an "open relay", which is not done these days because it's carte blanche for spammers.
[03:21] <braxton> So maybe that option should be selected?
[03:21] <rww> braxton: mailservers are hard. I spent a lot of hours scratching my head when I first started rolling my own ;)
[03:21] <twb> rww: hear, hear
[03:21] <braxton> Quite.
[03:22] <braxton> Now that you explain that error, twb, I think that option does make more sense now.
[03:22] <braxton> I just don't know what to put there.
[03:22] <twb> What option?
[03:22] <braxton> It says, "I have mail server with another name and would like to add MX hostname..."
[03:22] <braxton> And then below that it says, "Use this as my primary relay..."
[03:23] <braxton> But I don't know what an MX hostname is.
[03:25] <twb> braxton: suppose you want to send mail to fred@example.net.  You do this by looking up the DNS MX RR(s) for "example.net" -- dig -t MX example.net +short
[03:25] <twb> braxton: that tells you what host to connect to to send it mail
[03:26] <braxton> Okay.
[03:26] <braxton> So what should I put in that field?
[03:26] <twb> rww: re wineprefixcreate vs. wineboot -- worked out how to use the latter, it's working better than before.  Thanks for your input.
[03:26] <rww> welcome
[03:27] <twb> braxton: well, you can have a look at my MXs -- prisonpc.com and cyber.com.au
[03:27] <braxton> twb: I don't have an MX hostname, do I? :c
[03:28] <twb> I don't know what "MX hostname" means
[03:28] <braxton> Neither do I.
[03:28] <braxton> It's asking for one, though.
[03:29] <twb> I can tell you about DNS zones, but I don't know what random DNS web frontends want
[03:29] <rww> presumably it means the hostname to put in the MX record
[03:29] <twb> Probably
[03:30] <braxton> I'm really sorry for my ignorance, and I appreciate your help.
[03:30] <DanaG> You might make it the same as your http server.
[03:30] <braxton> So what, just put in the xxx.dyndns.org address in there?
[03:30] <rww> but yeah, I'm limited to what I know from experience with Real DNS™, not dynamic DNS :\
[03:30] <twb> As rww said, setting up your own MTA is hard work.
[03:30] <rww> braxton: I'd probably try that, yes
[03:30] <twb> rww: eh, dynamic DNS is just short TTLs
[03:30] <twb> rww: dyndns.org OTOH have a bunch of "value adding" on top of that.
[03:34] <braxton> I don't think it's going to let me do this. I'm just disappointed now.
[03:35] <DanaG> I use a dyndns that's .mooo.com
[03:35] <DanaG> Or rather, a dyndns competitor.
[03:37] <Bernhard> How do i create a hard link to this directory /usr/share/nginx/www/site/userfiles from this directory /usr/share/nginx/www/site2/             So when the website script on site2 want to create files in dir /userfiles it will be done in /usr/share/nginx/www/site/userfiles
[03:38] <braxton> Isn't that done using ln or something?
[03:38] <twb> Bernhard: you cannot hard-link directories.
[03:39] <twb> Bernhard: well, technically, some filesystems allow you to do so, but it's still super bad juju
[03:39] <Bernhard> oke.. or symlink ?
[03:42] <rww> cd /usr/share/nginx/www/site2/, then ln -s ../site/userfiles
[03:42] <rww> I don't know whether this will actually achieve the end result you want, as I only use apache and it gets grumpy about symlinks at times, but that's how to do it ;)
[03:49] <Bernhard> should that newly created symlink have the name of the directory it orginally to go to ?
[03:58] <free99> hey all, seemingly random question: I have an encrypted home directory on my 11.04 server, when I logout, then log back in, I am getting an error regarding .gvfs
[03:59] <free99> apparently this is a problem that's been around for a while, someone suggested putting this into .logout: /bin/fusermount -zu "$HOME/.gvfs" 1>/dev/null 2>&1 || true
[04:00] <free99> is there perhaps a better method? I have also heard that (because I'm running GDM) I can put it into /etc/gd/PostSession/Default
[04:01] <hggdh> Daviey: when you wake up -- a bit more done, missing pretty much just the postinst, on my ~/+junk/cobbler-enroll2
[04:02] <hggdh> Daviey: now I will hit the bed... back in 7 hours
[06:02] <ewj> I have to upgrade Apache and OpenSSH to versions ahead of the ones that come through apt-get in 8.04 - what's the easiest path there (i.e. the one that least likely involves me re-setting up the whole server from scratch while everyone complains about the services being down)?  Upgrade the distro altogether, compile from source, add a repo from a more recent distro?
[06:16] <jmarsden> ewj: Easiest is to see if the versions you need are already in hardy-backports -- if they are, use that repo and install the updated packages.
[06:46] <ewj> jmarsden: hmm, no, backports doesn't seem to have them, unfortunately
[06:46] <jmarsden> Then you need to decide which is lower risk for you: (a) upgrade the server to a new distro or (b) backport them yourself.
[06:47] <ewj> what's involved in a backport?
[06:47] <ewj> I realize that by asking that, it probably proves that it'll be too tough for me :)
[06:48] <jmarsden> ewj grab source package, unpack, change version, debuild, see what broke if anything (may new newer versions of other related packages, for instance), fix those things, retest... usual packaging stuff.
[06:48] <ewj> yeah, ok
[06:48] <jmarsden> if you've never created a package, that's a high risk task.
[06:48] <ewj> how risky is it to upgrade the distribution altogether?
[06:49] <jmarsden> So... back up the server and verify the backups, then do the upgrade.   How risky that is depends on what else the server does and how much its setup was customized in "interesting" ways in the past...
[06:49] <ewj> I've done it on desktop ubuntu before without much trouble, but this is a remote box that I have to ssh into, which makes it trickier
[06:50] <jmarsden> ewj: If your provider offers remote console stuff, and ideally a "boot rescue distribution" capability, it's safe enough.
[06:51] <ewj> sadly, there's no provider, it's a box sitting in someone's office on the other side of the country :(
[06:51] <jmarsden> Then best you can do is do it when the other person is physically present at the box, in case you need someone to push buttons/tell you what is on the screen/etc.
[06:52] <ewj> this damn box pretty much just serves up svn, I'm thinking it might be less trouble to yank that stuff off of it and set up a fresh svn server in the cloud, switch dns when it's working
[06:52] <jmarsden> Replacing it with something more manageable sounds a good idea to me.  If you need a cheap virtual private server, look at linode.com or similar offerings...
[06:53] <jmarsden> But if it only servs up svn, why does it need ultra new ssh and apache???
[06:53] <ewj> yeah, the company has most of their servers running on a service like that, it'd probably be best to bring it all in line
[06:53] <ewj> eh, typical security audit stuff
[06:54] <jmarsden> 8.04 server is still supported, shouldn't be any known security issues in ssh or apache on it...
[06:54] <ewj> someone in security ran a scan of the public ip, found old versions of apache/ssh
[06:54] <ewj> I know, that's what I thought, too
[06:54] <jmarsden> But did they find *vulnerabilities* in it?  That's the question.
[06:55] <ewj> No, they found version numbers that suggest vulnerabilities, I think
[06:55] <ewj> But try explaining the difference to a scanbot... :)
[06:56] <jmarsden> Then you can just look up the possible vulbnerabilities, point them to the updates in the changelogs for those packages where the fixes were added...
[06:56] <ewj> there's some stuff in there that's just DOS-related that actually doesn't appear to be patched in Hardy, at least as far as I could tell, too
[06:57] <jmarsden> OK.  Anyway... your company politics, not mine :)
[06:59] <ewj> yeah, you know how it goes sometimes...the overlord in this case is a biggish one, and I'm several steps removed (I'm just a consultant that would have been writing normal code if the company didn't have a hands-on-deck shortage at the moment), so I've gotta go with what they're asking for...
[06:59] <ewj> I'll figure it out one way or another, thanks for the advice :)
[07:01] <jmarsden> ewj: You're welcome.
[07:09] <Daviey> hggdh: you rock! :)
[07:48] <smb> Daviey, Do you think we get the MIR for ipxe sorted before feature freeze... Ok, I admit this is a bit of a put salt into open wound question and the we is rather a you of sorts...
[09:09] <Macer> hello. it appears that when my server crashed grub just sat there at the menu. i edited grub.cfg and changed the -1 to 10 for recordfail. is this the right way to prevent it from just not booting if it crashes or loses power?
[10:29] <Ursinha> bom dia
[10:48] <Daviey> Ursinha: o/
[10:48] <Ursinha> Daviey: morning, sir
[10:49] <Daviey> just about.. almost afternoon ma'am.
[11:11] <Dori922> what does the "Source" command do?
[11:24] <Daviey> oh golly.
[11:24] <Daviey> Ursinha: Having a good day? ^^ :)
[11:28] <Ursinha> kik
[11:28] <Ursinha> lol
[11:29] <Jeeves_> Someone woke up :)
[11:30] <Ursinha> all of those bugs were already opened
[11:30] <Ursinha> maybe the bot is crazy
[11:30] <Ursinha> Daviey: can you access http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/triage-report.html normally?
[11:31] <Ursinha> I can ping it bug I can't access via webbrowser
[11:31] <Daviey> Ursinha: no, it's down
[11:31] <Ursinha> oh, wtf
[11:32] <Daviey> Ursinha: ask IS
[11:32] <Ursinha> Daviey: just did that
[11:33] <Daviey> cool
[11:37] <Ursinha> Daviey: I've been triaging a lot of bugs, it turns out that the sooner you reply the person that filed the bug, more the chances he actually replies that...
[11:38] <Ursinha> and also... incomplete with response means that at least once the reporter replied
[11:38] <Ursinha> so not really accurate for what I want that to mean
[11:39] <Ursinha> so I've been asking them to set the bug back to new
[11:39] <Ursinha> and that's helping
[11:40] <Daviey> Ursinha: rocking!
[11:40] <Ursinha> Daviey: can we have a call today? :)
[11:41] <Daviey> Ursinha: sure, i'd like that.
[11:43] <Bernhard> is it possible to make an image from my 74 GB system disk and put in on an 300 GB harddisk so that it can boot from that 300 GB ???
[11:57] <KM0201> Bernhard: clonezilla?
[12:17] <hggdh> mornings, mostly good, to all
[12:21] <hggdh> Daviey: dear sir, comments?
[12:23] <Daviey> hggdh: looked good so far!
[12:23] <Daviey> hggdh: I'm not quite sure how post-install works in d-i
[12:23] <jpds> Daviey got knighted?
[12:24] <Daviey> jpds: Yes.. i tend not to use it in public tho.
[12:24] <Daviey> hggdh: we don't have a /target i hope.. and that might be a requirement of post-install maintainer scripts.
[12:24] <hggdh> Daviey: IDK either, docs sucks to a sublime level on that. But it would make sense
[12:24] <hggdh> yeah
[12:25] <hggdh> but it has to be driven from something like that, somewhere
[12:27] <hggdh> Daviey: the other point of doubt is on ./debian/control, the udeb package, the XB-Installer-Menu-Item
[12:27] <Daviey> hggdh: yeah.. i just don't think it can be configured.
[12:27] <Daviey> as in dpkg --configure
[12:27] <hggdh> aye
[12:27]  * hggdh had forgotten dpkg --configure
[12:31] <hggdh> Daviey: although --configure would drive the same questions we have to ask on install
[12:33] <Daviey> hggdh: Yeah, my knowledge of udebs isn't as strong as i need it
[12:33] <hggdh> there is also a finish-install
[12:33] <Daviey> hggdh: yeah.. might need to block on Colin returning
[12:34] <hggdh> heh
[12:34] <Ursinha> Daviey: status.qa is back
[12:34] <Ursinha> \o/
[12:35] <Daviey> \o/
[12:35] <Ursinha> SpamapS: hey, I see you filed a lot of runlevel1 bugs, what's the importance of them?
[12:39] <hggdh> Daviey: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/ch03.html at 3.1
[12:40] <Daviey> hggdh: yeah, not helpful enough :(
[12:47] <Dori922> what does the "Source" command do?
[12:50] <Daviey> Dori922: 'source' ?  It is usually used for loading enviromental variables from a file
[12:51] <Dori922> Daviey:  thanks bro :D
[12:51] <Daviey>  such as source ~/.bash_rc (PRO TIP.. people tend to use "." for source)
[12:51] <Daviey> Wow, Dori922, are you my long lost brother i've been searching for all these years?
[12:52] <Dori922> Daviey:  i dont know.. am i? ;D
[12:52] <hggdh> Daviey: dpkg --configure will not matter for a udeb, udebs are not installed on running systems
[12:53] <Daviey> hggdh: top banana, that was my hope - but i didn't know
[12:53] <Daviey> I did think it would require a /target tho
[12:59] <hggdh>  /target, if I understand it correctly, will only be available when the base system is installed -- and I know there are udebs that process earlier, like euca (with a postinst and a finish-install scripts
[13:19] <AceKing> I was in yesterday asking how to setup a file server. I received a lot of help in here, but with everything I tried on my own, I didn't accomplish anything. I tried setting up an FTP server using GADMIN-ProFTPD, and again just wasted a lot of time and got nowhere. Can someone attempt to help my sorry ass?
[13:22] <AceKing> What I am trying to do is this, I want to be able to setup a  folder with files, and have family to be able to log in and download from me.
[13:22] <patdk-wk> heh?
[13:22] <patdk-wk> oh, so you dumped the gallery2 idea
[13:22] <AceKing> patdk-wk, you were helping me yesterday
[13:23] <patdk-wk> dunno what gadmin-proftpd is at all
[13:23] <AceKing> patdk-wk, yes, I got way too confused
[13:23] <patdk-wk> but normal proftpd works easily enough
[13:23] <AceKing> patdk-wk, This is all new too me
[13:24] <patdk-wk> personally, using ftp over the internet isn't so easy, cause of nat
[13:24] <AceKing> So I shouldn't be using the GADMIN-ProFTPD?
[13:25] <patdk-wk> oh, it's a gui configuration tool for proftpd
[13:25] <patdk-wk> dunno anything about it
[13:25] <AceKing> Yes, I need a GUI
[13:26] <AceKing> I tried going to youtube and finding videos to help... That didn't help either.
[13:27] <AceKing> And you said with gallery2, they would be able to download, or just view the files?
[13:28] <patdk-wk> both really
[13:28] <patdk-wk> if you configure mime types correctly
[13:28] <_ruben> what's the difference between downloading and viewing images ? :P
[13:28] <patdk-wk> videos
[13:29] <AceKing> If they wanted to put them on DVD
[13:29] <patdk-wk> no one said images :)
[13:31] <AceKing> I know it would be a pain in the ass for you to give me a step by step. Is there any tutorials that can walk me though?
[13:33] <_ruben> didnt know gallery2 also did video, only used it for images myself :)
[13:35] <patdk-wk> gallery2 does anything
[13:35] <patdk-wk> text files, pics, videos, binary, ...
[13:36] <patdk-wk> it doesn't care what you upload to it at all, it just has special cases for pics, and alittle for video
[13:36] <_ruben> ah
[13:37] <AceKing> How did you guys learn this stuff?
[13:37] <patdk-wk> I took the pain in the ass method :)
[13:37] <patdk-wk> when I want to learn something, I want to learn it from the ground up
[13:38] <_ruben> try, fail, read, try again, fail again, read more, ...., try again, succeed + remember
[13:38] <AceKing> That's what I want to do, but I can't find where to get started
[13:38] <patdk-wk> there is lots of info on gallery2's website on it
[13:39] <patdk-wk> should be enough to get it setup and working
[13:39] <patdk-wk> the issue is, 3 layers of other stuff under it
[13:39] <patdk-wk> getting apache and php setup
[13:40] <patdk-wk> so if you don't want to just hope it works
[13:40] <AceKing> patdk-wk, Does php install with apache, or by itself?
[13:40] <patdk-wk> you would have to learn about apache and php also
[13:40] <patdk-wk> itself
[13:40] <AceKing> ah, ok
[13:40] <AceKing> I never installed that
[13:40] <patdk-wk> it should autoinstall if you installed gallery2
[13:41] <AceKing> Ok, I did install gallery2
[13:41] <patdk-wk> I have never installed gallery2 using ubuntu though
[13:41] <AceKing> I guess I have a lot of reading to do
[13:41] <patdk-wk> most likely you only have a few small issues to fix
[13:42] <patdk-wk> the issue is knowing what those issues are :)
[13:42] <AceKing> LOL :)
[13:42] <AceKing> patdk-wk, thanks again... Off I go
[14:08] <hallyn> lifeless: did you ever try out the lxc package from ubuntu-virt ppa?  (i'm about to ask Daviey to push to the archive)
[14:09] <hallyn> eh, works over here...
[14:09] <hallyn> Daviey: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc_0.7.4.2-3ubuntu6.debdiff    if that looks ok, do you mind pushing?
[14:25] <Daviey> hallyn: looking
[14:34] <Daviey> hallyn: What was the deal with switching out to /run ?
[14:34] <Daviey> I know you nacked that the other day, but wondered why?
[14:35] <Daviey> hallyn: do you reall want to rm -rf /var/run ?
[14:48] <hallyn> Daviey: I nacked it bc switching to /run will be less backward compatible
[14:48] <hallyn> Daviey: on a regular system, /var/run is tmpfs.  So yeah, there is nothing under /var/run that normally survives reboot.
[14:48] <hallyn> no nreason not to rm -rf
[14:49] <hallyn> If we get real reboot support next week, then (a) we can mount tmpfs on /var/run and (b) we can get rid of the rm -rf
[14:49] <hallyn> this is all a side effect of having to allow the host to see the guest's utmp :(
[14:52] <Daviey> hallyn: ok
[15:02] <RoyK> hallyn: iirc /var/run is tmpfs by default at least on lucid
[15:03] <robbiew> Daviey: hey...you planning on going to the release sprint?
[15:03] <Daviey> robbiew: yah
[15:03] <robbiew> cool...I'll be there, but I'm no help to the actual release any more
[15:03] <robbiew> :P
[15:03] <Daviey> RoyK: Yes, but in oneiric /var/run has been replaced by /run
[15:04] <Daviey> robbiew: Ah, if you are going.. i don't need to. :D
[15:04] <hallyn> RoyK: yup
[15:04] <hallyn> RoyK: but on containers, we disable that mount
[15:05] <robbiew> Daviey: that works too...given you're in the same TZ...your call
[15:07] <pythonirc1012> how can i output the exact command that was used to start a process using "ps"? I see "python", but would like to see "python myscript.py"-- the one that top shows.
[15:10] <hallyn> pythonirc1012: well you can look at /proc/$$/cmdline (words are separated by \0)
[15:23] <hallyn> WTF?  I 'apt-get remove qemu-kvm qemu-common kvm-pxe', and apt decides that means it has to install virtualbox?
[15:25] <Ursinha> pythonirc1012: I use ps aux and it shows pretty complete info
[15:26] <hallyn> especially with auxw :)
[15:35] <SpamapS> Ursinha: Medium.. should have set that when I created them.
[15:35] <Ursinha> SpamapS: should we consider those confirmed already?
[15:45] <SpamapS> Ursinha: I'd like to see somebody confirm them other than myself.. sanity checks and all. :)
[16:02] <hallyn> mdeslaur: question on vm-new.  Is there a reason you use the full iso rather than the mini.iso from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/$release/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso ?  (I assume so, i.e. better for security team processes)
[16:03] <mdeslaur> hallyn: so it reproduces most users installations, and also because I want a full desktop
[16:04] <mdeslaur> I never actually managed to get the mini.iso working btw, but that's unrelated
[16:05] <hallyn> mdeslaur: ok.  It does work for me (http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/quick-vm-installations/) but if it's not appropriate for vm-tools that's ok :)
[16:06] <hallyn> mdeslaur: though perhaps I'll hack up vm-new-mini
[16:07] <mdeslaur> hallyn: what do you typically install with that? I have no objections to adding a -t mini to vm-new
[16:08] <hallyn> mdeslaur: my goal with thatusually is just to have something to run tests on.
[16:09] <hallyn> i.e. i don't much care so long as it's uptodate and boots
[16:09] <mdeslaur> hallyn: well, add it as -t mini, and I'll merge it in
[16:10] <hallyn> mdeslaur: thx.  will do.
[16:10] <mdeslaur> hallyn: cool, thanks
[16:11] <mdeslaur> hallyn: I'd add it to my todo list, but I still have "Update main laptop to gutsy" on my todo list, so it may take a while :)
[16:23] <nigelb> is there an easy way to say "I accept" to the sun jdk install?
[16:24] <nigelb> my script blocks because of that
[16:29] <Ursinha> SpamapS: fair enough :)
[16:30] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: ping
[16:31] <rww> nigelb: I haven't looked, but I imagine it's deliberately not programmatic :P
[16:33] <nigelb> rww: hah. *dislike*
[16:33] <nigelb> :)
[16:37] <Daviey> nigelb: I thought you could preseed that
[16:37] <nigelb> Daviey: hm, how? create an AMI with it?
[16:38] <Daviey> nigelb: sun-java6-bin	shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1	boolean	true
[16:38] <Daviey> sun-java6-jre	shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1	boolean	true
[16:38] <Daviey> bah, tab fail
[16:38] <Daviey> preseed those values and you won't be prompted to accept.
[16:39]  * nigelb tries
[16:40] <Daviey> echo "sun-java6-jre shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true" | debconf-set-selections ; apt-get install sun-jd*-etc
[16:40] <Daviey> nigelb: ^^
[16:41] <nigelb> Daviey: Gosh, that's awesome :)
[16:41] <nigelb> Thank you!
[16:42] <Daviey> good stuff, hope it work
[16:42] <Daviey> s
[16:44] <lickalott> guys i'm having an issue that i can't seem to pinpoint.    I'm running znc on my server.  the server has an uptime of Running for 1w 4d 23h 25m 13s right now, but my znc/clients seems to drop off line, randomly.  I didn't see anything in /var/log that would lead me to anything i could troubleshoot.   has any one seen this or have any idea what i could do to fix it?
[16:44] <pythonirc1012> Ursinha: Thanks.
[16:44] <pythonirc1012> Is there an automatic way to grep on ps aux and kill all processes that match a certain pattern?
[16:45] <lickalott> xargs
[16:45] <Ursinha> pythonirc1012: you might want to look at pgrep and pkill
[16:47] <lickalott> is it something you want to do all the time pythonirc1012?
[16:48] <bkerensa> lickalott: Nothing at all showing up in logs?
[16:48] <lickalott> not that i'm seeing.
[16:49] <lickalott> i see some updates coming in and was wondering if it was knocking my interface off to secure more bandwidth, but not all the users get dc'd.
[16:49] <bkerensa> odd
[16:50] <bkerensa> lickalott: I personally dont have a lot of experience with znc but I do use PsyBNC which is stable
[16:50] <lickalott> yeah...  i've been battling this for about a month now.  Looked up bugs in 11.04 and found nothing, scoured forums for similar issues and found nothing.  I'm almost at the point of a wipe and reload, but i'm not 100% convinced that it will help
[16:51] <SJr> Um my server's filesystem seems to have disappeared
[16:51] <lickalott> ?
[16:51] <SJr> bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory
[16:51] <lickalott> can you cd to it?
[16:51] <SJr> yeah
[16:51] <lickalott> you see anything?
[16:51] <SJr> nope
[16:52] <lickalott> just bin?
[16:52] <SJr> no every folder seems empty
[16:52] <SJr> except for other directories
[16:52] <bkerensa> SJr: Can you cd / and paste results to paste.ubuntu.com
[16:52] <SJr> apache2 says the same thing (one of my webapps)
[16:52] <SJr> results of what, the cd?
[16:52] <bkerensa> better yet
[16:53] <lickalott> ls
[16:53] <bkerensa> SJr: You said ls is not workin
[16:53] <bkerensa> ?
[16:53] <SJr> yeah
[16:53] <bkerensa> hmm
[16:53] <SJr> hmmmm
[16:53] <bkerensa> SJr: Run any weird commands?
[16:53] <bkerensa> SJr: Are you able to look at bash history
[16:53] <lickalott> maybe load live cd, mount your parition and copy over bin from cd as a start
[16:53] <SJr> no I just got up
[16:54] <SJr> no it's worse than that, everything seems gone
[16:54] <lickalott> those mice ran a rm -rf *
[16:54] <SJr> No I doubt it
[16:54] <SJr> the directories seem to be there
[16:54] <lickalott> has it been on this whole time?
[16:55] <SJr> lol typing 'help' kills whatever session I'm in
[16:55] <lickalott> sorry bkerensa...don't want to step on your toes man.  you want this?
[16:55] <SJr> one of them said "Bus Error"
[16:55] <bkerensa> no go ahead I have to run anyways
[16:55] <lickalott> can you see history?
[16:55] <SJr> I think I've lost every session
[16:56] <SJr> samba seems to work for different drives, I think the hard drive may have just tanked
[16:56] <SJr> one of the mounted drives still has data in it.
[16:56] <SJr> and I'm watching an episode of Curb and it seems to work
[16:56] <SJr> I suspect rebooting is the end of this server
[16:57] <lickalott> are you running straight server or did you grab the GUI package?
[16:57] <SJr> straight server
[16:57] <lickalott> wait 1
[16:58] <lickalott> have you checked the lost+found dir?
[16:58] <lickalott> http://www.techtalkz.com/ubuntu-linux/383482-access-lost-found-directory.html
[16:58] <SJr> I think I have to reboot
[16:59] <lickalott> maybe run an fsck?
[16:59] <SJr> I suspect that the drive is dead
[16:59] <SJr> anyway since this is a bouncer I have to try and reboot
[17:03] <SJr> back
[17:03] <RoyK> front
[17:04] <SJr> what should I check in terms of files, the system came back up
[17:04] <lickalott> which ifconfig
[17:04] <lickalott> does it return anything?
[17:04] <SJr> me?
[17:04] <lickalott> yes
[17:05] <lickalott> lemme ask you this first...  what's your unix knowledge level?  1 - 10 (10 being highest)
[17:05] <SJr> /sbin/ifconfig
[17:05] <lickalott> don't want to offend/talk to you like a 3 y/o if i don't have to
[17:05] <SJr> I guess a 7 probably
[17:05] <lickalott> k
[17:05] <SJr> Comp Sci Major, studied operating systems :)
[17:05] <lickalott> ls works now?
[17:06] <SJr> yeah
[17:06] <lickalott> did you run fsck?
[17:06] <SJr> not yet, I was having some problems running it before
[17:06] <RoyK> SJr: remount the root read only (mount -o ro,remount /) and fsck it
[17:06] <SJr> I had some other disk issue recently, I don't remember the specifics
[17:07] <SJr> do I switch runlevels first?
[17:07] <lickalott> i would back up your important stuff now while you can, then start some PMI
[17:07] <SJr> PMI?
[17:07] <RoyK> SJr: runlevels?
[17:07] <lickalott> maintenance
[17:07] <SJr> this would be the root drive, that has nothing of importance on it at the moment
[17:07] <RoyK> SJr: it's safe to fsck a filesystem once it's remounted ro
[17:08] <SJr> yes but I can't actually remount it, while I'm in the default runlevel as too much stuff is open
[17:08] <RoyK> runlevels are just sets of whatever should be started etc
[17:08] <SJr> mount: / is busy
[17:08] <RoyK> SJr: mount -o remount,ro
[17:09] <RoyK> with -o remount it should never say it's busy
[17:09] <SJr>  mount -o remount,ro / responds with  mount: / is busy
[17:09] <genii-around> Might need --force
[17:09] <genii-around> or equiv
[17:09] <RoyK> if that doesn't work, init s
[17:09] <RoyK> or reboot in single mode
[17:09] <SJr> will that kill ssh?
[17:09] <RoyK> it will indeed
[17:12] <RoyK> SJr: you might want to touch /forcefsck; reboot
[17:12] <RoyK> but if you don't have a remote console on that, it might stay down if it finds something bad
[17:13] <SJr> I just don't want to hook up a monitor to it
[17:13] <RoyK> is this a remote server?
[17:14] <lickalott> do you have  ubuntu on a laptop?
[17:14] <lickalott> and a serial cable?
[17:16] <hallyn> feh, 10 mins wasted due to -o/-O wget mixup :)
[17:17] <SJr> I don't have a serial port on the laptop :)
[17:17] <SJr> or perhaps on the server
[17:18] <lickalott> sounds like you're going to have to throw a monitor in it then.
[17:18] <lickalott> there is a app (minicomm) that you could've used.
[17:18] <geekbri> Does anybody know where I can get a list of the AMI ID's for the official ubuntu EC2 instances in the asia-pacific region
[17:21] <lickalott> geekbri - http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/
[17:21] <geekbri> lickalott: thanks, love you
[17:21] <lickalott> np
[17:21]  * lickalott blushes
[17:25] <geekbri> hehe
[17:25] <geekbri> although, the image ID im looking for isn't appearing when i search for it in the gui,, very strange
[17:26] <geekbri> ami-34295266
[17:26] <geekbri> oh i take it back :)
[18:00] <FFForever> Anyone run a pptpd server?
[18:15] <RoAkSoAx> lynxman whats up?
[18:16] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: naah too late ;)
[18:16] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: thanks anyway mate
[18:16] <RoAkSoAx> lynxmanhehe sorry was running errands
[18:17] <lynxman> RoAkSoAx: hey no worries at all :)
[18:54] <Ursinha> Daviey: how often do you need release-bugs.html to be updated?
[18:55] <jdevel> anyone able to test if a mail server has an open relay?
[18:55] <rww> http://www.abuse.net/relay.html
[18:55] <Ursinha> Daviey: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[18:56] <urosn> hi guys, i need help regarding vmbuild
[18:56] <urosn> when I want to add a package with -addpkg build just breaks
[18:57] <jdevel> rww, is that something that can be trusted?
[18:57] <jdevel>  rww, it looks like they are just doing a telnet test..
[18:59] <jdevel> haven't found anything much more sophisticated than the link you provided.. thanks though
[19:06] <urosn> help?
[19:08] <Daviey> Ursinha: I am still updating it every 4 hours.. that is ample for my needs.
[19:08] <Daviey> I'll take mine offline and use the team one
[19:09] <Ursinha> Daviey: yay :) how do you like the table? I have a template exactly as it was before, if you prefer
[19:09] <Daviey> Ursinha: i did fire a manual update just before the release meeting.. so it's useful if i can still ssh in and update it myself.
[19:09] <Ursinha> Daviey: it can be updated every five minutes automatically if you want
[19:10] <Ursinha> takes about three to run
[19:10] <Daviey> Ursinha: ooo, i like what you have done with it
[19:10] <Daviey> have you polished up my code?
[19:10] <Ursinha> Daviey: yes :)
[19:10] <Daviey> Ursinha: good, it was crap.
[19:10] <Ursinha> no, I just refactored a bit
[19:10] <Daviey> Ursinha: For extra brownie points, fancy making a moin output? :)
[19:10] <Ursinha> sure :)
[19:10] <Daviey> \o/
[19:10] <Ursinha> Daviey: as a table or a list?
[19:11] <Daviey> Ursinha: a list, that i can copy and paste elsewhere.
[19:11] <Daviey> on the wiki :)
[19:11] <Ursinha> okay
[19:12] <Ursinha> Daviey: which wiki page?
[19:20] <Daviey> Ursinha: TechnicalOverview
[19:34] <kirkland> zul: ping
[19:34] <zul> kirkland: yep?
[19:34] <kirkland> zul: reviewing the openstackx binaries for the new queue
[19:34] <zul> kirkland: yep
[19:34] <kirkland> zul: i'm curious why they're not arch=all?
[19:34] <kirkland> zul: looks like just python libraries -- do you different builds per arch?
[19:35] <zul> kirkland: they should probably be...i can fix that after
[19:35] <kirkland> zul: source is accepted
[19:35] <zul> kirkland: thanks
[19:35] <kirkland> zul: i'm going to reject the binary;  re-upload the source with that change and i'll accept the new _all.deb binary
[19:36] <zul> k
[19:37] <kirkland> zul: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openstackx/+bug/821632 when you're fixing it
[19:46]  * RoyK listens to Is this desire?
[20:08] <Ursinha> Daviey: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.txt
[20:10] <Krakish> Evening
[20:11] <Krakish> is there any way i can make my ubuntu team speak server wireless access point
[20:12] <Krakish> when i bridge the wlan with eth0 and i am losing connectivity to the machine via ssh
[20:13] <Krakish> i want to set up a small wlan behind the machine for less then 5 machines and use same server for VoIP if Team Speak can be called VoIP :)
[20:17] <Determinist> hello gents. what would be a sensible place to put shared files on a SMB file server?
[20:19] <KM0201> is there a good way to install webmin on 11.04
[20:25] <Joeman1> KM0201, Try this - Just googled for it - http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-webmin-on-ubuntu-11-04-natty-server.html
[20:25] <RoyK> !webmin
[20:26] <RoyK> !ebox
[20:26] <KM0201> Joeman1: i found that just a minute ago.
[20:26] <KM0201> hmm
[20:26] <KM0201> i have 11.04 though
[20:27] <RoyK> using 11.04 for a server isn't what I'd recommend unless you need bleeding edge software
[20:27] <RoyK> 10.04 works and is stable
[20:27] <Joeman1> KM0201, yeah, that document is for 11.04
[20:27] <RoyK> !LTS
[20:27] <KM0201> RoyK: don't need bleeding edge.. i'll go LTS when 12.04 rolls out.
[20:28] <RoyK> KM0201: why are you using 11.04?
[20:28] <KM0201> no particular reason, that just what i installed
[20:28] <RoyK> well, use the LTS releases for servers
[20:29] <RoyK> they are stable
[20:29] <RoyK> the non-lts releases tend to be a bit buggy
[20:29] <KM0201> well, it works fine.
[20:37] <KM0201> !info ebox
[20:48] <cwassant> howdy folks
[20:48] <cwassant> I am a programmingnub, and I was hoping to learn some php
[20:48] <cwassant> but i need a server for that...
[20:49] <cwassant> and i forgot the command that set up the virtual host
[20:50] <cwassant> ahh nvm
[20:50] <cwassant> google is your friend
[20:52] <hallyn> mdeslaur: well, i don't get it.  When I run kvm by hand with the mini.iso and my preseed.cfg, it works.  When I do it through virtinst through vm-new (with mini.iso and my preseed.cfg, or any preseed.cfg i've tried) it asks for my input at partman.
[20:56] <robbiew> RoAkSoAx: do you know if we still need capistrano in ubuntu-orchestra-client?
[21:00] <args[0]> I have a 10.04 LTS, can I upgrade to 12.04 LTS using just a couple of commands from Terminal? thanks
[21:01] <genii-around> args[0]: Yes, after it becomes released.
[21:01] <Krakish> i missconfigures interfaces file
[21:01] <rww> 12.04 doesn't exist yet, as it's not currently April 2012, but yes.
[21:02] <Krakish> and after reboot i am not able to see eth0 when enter ifconfig
[21:02] <Krakish> i repaired the interfaces file but i am still not able to see eth0
[21:02] <Krakish> any ideas ?
[21:04] <args[0]> genii-around: so I don't lose anything, no need to re-install the OS?
[21:04] <rww> correct
[21:04] <genii-around> args[0]: Yes, what rww just said
[21:06] <hggdh> Daviey: I really do not know how to deal with the postinst for cobbler-enroll, there seems to be a lot of internal knowledge needed
[21:07] <hggdh> Daviey: this is the only thing we are missing, I think. Unfortunately, the most important piece, sorry
[21:16] <Daviey> hggdh: No, you have done great!  It just needs some banging donk.  We'll see what Colin has to say Monday.
[21:19] <Daviey> Ursinha: You are my superhero!  The only thing it needs is [Bug:XXXXXX] for moin to render it as a short link
[21:19] <Ursinha> Daviey: test there, it works now
[21:19] <Ursinha> it renders already
[21:20] <Daviey> Ursinha: are you sure?
[21:20] <Ursinha> I thought that too, then I tested and the [] weren't needed
[21:20] <Ursinha> Daviey: yes, I've tested on wiki.ubuntu.com
[21:21] <Daviey> Ursinha: Superduper!  Minor improvement might be to use the syntax to link to lp.person and maybe use moin tabls
[21:21] <Daviey> tables*
[21:21] <Daviey> but that really isn't essential, that is great stuff.. Makes reporting much easier.
[21:21] <Ursinha> Daviey: I'd prefer tables, for sure, but you asked for a list :P
[21:22] <Daviey> Ursinha: bah, i'm fickle like that.
[21:22] <Ursinha> lol
[21:31] <args[0]> genii-around: yes, I know that it is not released yet.. just asking for future reference.
[21:31] <args[0]> How can I remove files from showing on my /var/www directory listing when accessing it via a browser?
[21:31] <args[0]> Directories not files
[21:32] <Daviey> args[0]: Options -Indexes
[21:32] <args[0]> Daviey: what is that? where?
[21:33] <args[0]> Daviey: htaccess?
[21:34] <args[0]> I wan to disable some specific Directories from showing in the auto-generated directory listing
[21:34] <Daviey> args[0]: why?
[21:34] <RoAkSoAx> robbiew i havent plated with capistrano but i think that we need to discuss all that next week
[21:34] <robbiew> cool
[21:35] <RoAkSoAx> robbiew all the orchestra stuff should be done next week... at least i hope so
[21:35] <Daviey> args[0]: anyway, you probably want to read up on 'IndexIgnore'
[21:36] <robbiew> RoAkSoAx: me too ;)
[21:36] <args[0]> Daviey: I dont want it to show the robot.txt file and some other directories
[21:36] <RoAkSoAx> but in reality theres just few pieces from the cobbler side and it is basicslly a stock cobbler that we are using
[21:36] <RoAkSoAx> we do need though to have a wqy to have fobbler be more aware about the status of deployed machines
[21:37] <RoAkSoAx> robbie ^^
[21:37] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: status?
[21:37] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey status as in deploying runnin off etc
[21:37] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: as in | unprovisoned/raw hardware | fresh installed | configured/in use
[21:38] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey yeah
[21:38] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Yeah, i've been toying with adding fields to cobbler just for that.
[21:38] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey running install / install finished / etc or dimilar
[21:39] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey or use mgmt classes
[21:39] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Not thought about 'installed finished' | 'running install' .. but that should be possible with 'seed retrieval' and post-install call home
[21:39] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Not looked at mgmt classes
[21:40] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey i think it is important to know if it is running install or know when the installation is done
[21:40] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: gah, i forgot you were not going to be with us next week.
[21:40] <RoAkSoAx> theres ways to know though
[21:41] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey i wont but i will be at the ensemble one so i was planning to fogure things
[21:41] <RoAkSoAx> out with kirkland
[21:41] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: sure.  I'm setting up that cobbler server on Monday in the lab.. hopefully we'll be able to use it constantly, and find weakness points
[21:41] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: \o/
[21:42] <Daviey> james page is probably going to be working with QA to work through using it for contant testing.
[21:42] <Daviey> (in the QA lab)
[21:42] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland \o/
[21:43] <lifeless> hallyn: sorry, was asleep.
[21:43] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey cool keep.me plsted about the prchestra things u guys think to be in the same page and i will do the same
[21:44] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: I think we'll need to all sync up during the week.  Need to work out time overlap for good conference times
[21:44] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey sure lets talk 9est which is 3 ur time
[21:45] <RoAkSoAx> or 4
[21:46] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey i already have a list of things thhat need to be addressed whithin cfobbler for orchestra / ensemble
[21:48] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: lists are of more use if shared :)
[21:49] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey i am preparing the list for monday but will make sure to fordward it ;)
[21:49] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: I need to look into management classes, the stuff i was sniffing might be rubbish if it's what we want.
[21:49] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: splendid!
[21:49] <Ursinha> Daviey: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.txt
[21:50] <Daviey> Ursinha: Great, you know what might be better?  I nice linear list.
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[21:50] <Daviey> Ursinha: seriously, that is really nice
[21:50] <Ursinha> Daviey: it's updated every five minutes
[21:53] <Daviey> Ursinha: are you using a cache?
[21:54] <Ursinha> Daviey: only lplib cache
[21:54] <Daviey> oh sure
[21:54] <Daviey> every 5 mins might be a bit excess TBH - i'm probably only going to use the moin output 1-3 times a week
[21:55] <Ursinha> Daviey: it's generated every time I generate the html report
[21:55] <Ursinha> it would be more complicated to separate them then to do how I'm doing now :)
[21:55] <Daviey> ah ok.. Ursinha Great. Stuff.
[22:02] <Easyish> Hey, I'm trying to get a SSL cert signed by thesslstore.com
[22:02] <Easyish> But I want it for a subdomain
[22:02] <Easyish> I'm not sure what I need to do
[22:03] <Easyish> Has anyone else done this before?
[22:04] <robbiew> Daviey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Orchestra
[22:05] <Daviey> Easyish: you need a wildcard cert (hint, expensive) or buy an extra one for that subdomain
[22:05] <kirkland> robbiew: sweet, thanks, will look
[22:05] <Daviey> robbiew: Go away, it's the weekend. :P
[22:06] <robbiew> lol
[22:07] <Daviey> robbiew: looks good!
[22:07] <Daviey> end of next week, we'll throw some more love on it.
[22:09] <Easyish> Daviey: I'm going to use a freebie that they offer
[22:09] <Easyish> I want to get *\0.mydomain.com  :)
[22:10] <Daviey> Easyish: good luck with that.
[22:10] <Easyish> Why not?
[22:11] <Daviey> Easyish: if it works out, please come back to let us know.
[22:11] <Easyish> Uhhh, didn't you watch moxie marlinspike at DEFCON?
[22:12] <Easyish> worked for him
[22:30] <hallyn> should the order of entries in a  preseed fil matter?
[22:47] <Easyish> awww crap
[22:47] <Easyish> My free cert won't let me get a wildcard! =(
[22:49] <Easyish> apparlly most CA certs have fixed the common name wildcard trick =(
[23:11] <RoyK> Easyish: most CA authorities charge rather a lot, ye
[23:11] <RoyK> Easyish: most CA authorities charge rather a lot, yes
[23:26] <Daviey> Easyish: I thought it was unlikely :(
[23:26] <Daviey> Easyish: It will be cheaper to buy a second ssl cert.
[23:58] <hallyn> mdeslaur: vm-new -t mini is working for me.  It auto-fetches the mini iso if not already there (that's really my motivation here :)  But I can't seem to request a merge against the ubuntu-qa-tools trunk
[23:58] <hallyn> mdeslaur: https://code.launchpad.net/~serge-hallyn/%2Bjunk/ubuntu-qa-tools/  has my code
[23:58] <hallyn> only vm-new was changed
[23:58]  * hallyn sneaks out