=== hypno_ is now known as TheHypnotist [01:25] anyone here good with snort? [05:36] morning [06:38] morning all [06:58] Morning folks [07:02] Morning all [07:17] howdy [07:50] Good morning :) [07:52] Morning bigcalm [07:59] Hi DJones [08:02] wow. japan really needs a new timezone [08:02] ... [08:03] you broke the hello train :( [08:03] 2 hours on the phone, and it's not even breakfast yet. that's just inhumane [08:03] Laney: sorry .. wet leaves on the track [08:03] We should migrate to a dyson sphere [08:04] It'll be day all the time then [08:06] * AlanBell is off to London this afternoon [08:06] to Microsoft towers :) [08:08] AlanBell: fraternizing with the enemy? ;) [08:08] sneaking into Mordor [08:09] http://yrs2011.eventbrite.com/ anyone else want to come? [08:09] leave a ubuntu usb stick near the water coolre ;) [08:09] AlanBell: I thought YRS was only for <18s ;) [08:09] this is the show and tell bit [08:11] hm, that's near my hotel from a few weeks ago [08:14] * bigcalm just had a funny thought [08:14] Some surnames came about due to a profession: Smith, Cooper, etc [08:14] I wonder if that'll ever happen with modern day jobs [08:15] bigcalm: "John Q. Hacker" [08:15] Andrew Webdev for instance ;) [08:15] [Matthew East] Ubuntu Membership and Contributions to Upstream Projects - http://www.mdke.org/?p=118 [08:15] David Django [08:15] AlanBell: Django is a given name [08:16] Good morning everyone! [08:16] bigcalm: also, some surnames come from land ownership :) [08:19] Indeed, I was just amused by andrewebdev's surname ;) [08:20] :) [08:20] mine is profession :P [08:20] What about titles for IP space? Duke of 10.0.0.0/24, etc. [08:20] /8 [08:23] Oh dear [08:24] AlanBell, what the heck are those even about ? the titles make no sense [08:24] apw: what titles? [08:25] AlanBell, sorry was paged up in my scroll-back so there was more context here than there, the ones for the m$ things [08:25] oh, the Young Rewired State thing, it isn't an M$ event [08:25] meh, they are just ticket types, they mean nothing [08:26] oh that makes much more sense [08:26] I read that as "Young Retired State", was beginning to think it was a way of cutting the number job seekers, just say that school leavers are retired, jobless totals would drop like a stone [08:26] http://youngrewiredstate.org/ [08:27] issyl0 is a participant [08:27] AlanBell: Yes, I've noticed her tweets about it [08:27] Sounds like she's had a good time tehre [08:30] will anyone be using google+ for oggcamp? [08:35] oimon: what do you mean? [08:35] oimon, you mentioned a dvd/book catalogue software you used.. I've reinstalled and forgot what it was.. can you enlighten me :) [08:36] AlanBell: not sure of the right term, but are they hangouts or huddles or something? basically the equivalent of #oggcamp on twitter [08:37] diplo: tellico? alexandria? [08:37] tellico maybe it, I was using alexandria [08:37] Thanks [08:39] The occasional tweet maybe, but most of my time will be talking/listening to people via analogue means [08:42] Morning all [08:43] Good morning popey. Well done to you and lady popey :) [08:44] popey: congratifications :) [08:52] thanks :D [08:58] AlanBell: See you later. [09:01] Morning [09:14] what is 10.10 called? [09:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames [09:15] !10.10 [09:15] Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) was the thirteenth release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.10/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1010 [09:15] !lmgtfy [09:15] While Google is useful for helpers, many newer users don't have the google-fu yet. Please don't tell people to "google it" when they ask a question. [09:15] hah, that backfired [09:15] just wondering ;) [09:16] good morning everyone. [09:17] !12.04 [09:18] should get a name for that fairly soon, natty was announced on 17th August [09:18] :D [09:19] Perfect Penguin [09:20] It's bound to be something unpronounceable [09:20] Pyrrhic Pterosaur [09:21] boo.. wanted to try new gwibber in 11.10 and it's broken [09:34] Aloha [09:35] morning czajkowski [09:36] http://ccgi.psmith12.plus.com/visradius/generated/image13125352198806.png this is what crappy BT VSDSL modem does to your connection [09:37] I have a big fan blowing into it to keep the temperature down and the line up [09:42] It took me a month to stop myself just calling Oneiric O-Series. [09:42] I suspect P will be the same :) [09:43] two typo's on one line in the latest puppet textbook. the linus typo is the most common one in geekdom: http://ubuntuone.com/p/18Ve/ [09:44] i just discovered that i can upload photos directly to ubuntu one from my android! excellent! :) [09:44] The last text book i looked at was documenting work i was doing.. I opened it full of excitement, and ~4 technical errors jumped out at me. [09:44] Daviey: isn't that an RS/6000 [09:44] AlanBell: hah [09:47] Daviey: but but.... calling it P P is gonna sound worse [09:49] I wanna p-p [09:50] czajkowski: are you going to the YRS thing? [09:51] the what now/ [09:51] are you busy this afternoon? [09:51] czajkowski: young rewired state [09:51] ahh [09:51] can't I'm afraid [09:52] i don't think the future generation will know what wires are [09:52] hope so [09:52] the or a future generation? :)( [10:01] theora? [10:01] maybe they will be the theora generation [10:02] * oimon scratches chin ponderously [10:02] morning all [10:02] or rather strokes chin. head=scratch chin=stroke === MrsB_ is now known as MrsB [10:14] czajkowski: reminds me of mumble's voice saying outloud ":P" [10:14] yes colon-peee. [10:16] what does it say for thorn? [10:17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter) [10:17] :þ [10:17] Daviey: yes mumble does come out with some good ones [10:21] popey: no idea, sorry. [10:24] I love the way mdke writes. He expresses himself really well [10:25] will have to have a word, we don't want people understanding other people, that way lies madness [10:25] * AlanBell has 6 16GB class 10 SD cards \o/ [10:25] (and no money?) [10:27] heh [10:27] Timing buffered disk reads: 52 MB in 3.02 seconds = 17.23 MB/sec [10:28] i hear rumours that if you put ext4 on them, class 10 card can be slower than class 6 [10:28] something to do with stripe layouts [10:28] interesting [10:28] Timing buffered disk reads: 366 MB in 3.02 seconds = 121.35 MB/sec [10:28] :D [10:28] these are staying fat32 for the moment [10:28] (unfair comparison) [10:29] is that SSD? [10:29] ya [10:29] the cheapest one I own [10:29] how do I test this? [10:30] hdparm -tT /dev/sdb [10:30] Timing cached reads: 10042 MB in 2.00 seconds = 5023.66 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 638 MB in 3.01 seconds = 212.27 MB/sec [10:30] hm [10:30] how exciting, my powerline networking kit arrived [10:30] popey: ^^ New intel SSD ("510" model) [10:31] popey: (SATA-600 on SATA-300 interface) [10:31] sweet! [10:31] Laney: yay! [10:31] connecting a desktop via wireless is the pits [10:31] * Laney hopes it works [10:36] connecting a server via wireless is worse [10:37] well, that's how I mainly use it (ssh) [10:37] AlanBell: we do include wpa-supplicant on server, what more do you want?! :) [10:37] I gave up and moved it to the wires [10:38] linux-firmware-nonfree would be nice :P [10:38] probably wise. [10:39] czajkowski: have a hug, Morning! [10:39] sixxs probably hate me for the tunnel going down all the time [10:46] Laney: sixxs hate everyone. [10:47] my precious ISK :( [10:48] Laney: they refused me a tunnel :) [10:48] oh yeah, you have to apply don't you? [10:48] seemed a formality to me [10:49] Laney: No.. they refused my application. :( [10:49] how sad [10:49] (others have heard this from me already) [10:50] Laney: They complained my mail was compliant with their policy [10:50] .. so i read the policy and it declared that you need two mx records. [10:50] I added a secondary mx record just for them. [10:50] They said it was still not ok, and i was to use an "ISP supplied email address" [10:51] So i setup sixxs@$ISP.com which was retrieved by fetchmail into my INBOX. [10:51] how old-fashioned [10:51] And that still wasn't ok... then they stopped replying to my emails [10:51] hah [10:51] I understand @ubuntu gets you some credit [10:51] bullcrap :) [10:52] Laney: I think i tried using that.. and that only has one mx record. [10:52] dunno, I didn't use an ISP address and only have one MX … [10:52] I just use HE. they don't tell me off. evar. [10:53] my laptop uses teredo [10:57] HE++ [11:02] * MartijnVdS pets native IPv6 over DSL [11:03] broke my svn setup :( [11:03] oimon: switch to bzr, git, hg [11:03] how can i fix "svn: warning: 'etc' is already under version control" [11:03] don't svn add it again? [11:04] svn list doesn't show it [11:04] oimon: ##subversion? [11:04] it was copied from somewhere else [11:04] #ubuntu-uk is more friendly to noobs [11:04] :) [11:04] oimon: does it contain a .svn directory/directories? [11:04] ./etc doesn't but the powd does [11:05] then I'd still suggest ##subversion, and switching to a proper DVCS [11:05] * oimon tries [11:06] Hey popey how did your oneiric update go? [11:15] MartijnVdS: #svn were v helpful :D [11:20] davmor2: it worked [11:20] davmor2: i have an oneiric desktop install now [11:21] http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1981804631/estwhdr folks seen this [11:22] popey: you FOOL [11:22] dual boot [11:22] :D [11:22] not that silly, silly [11:23] * popey points davmor2 at the question he asked in -testing [11:24] heh [11:28] aquarius: feel free to mail the list with the u1 thibg [11:30] AlanBell, er...huh? [11:31] * oimon just noticed that graze are looking for a unix sysadmin :) [11:32] I heard the pay is peanuts :/ [11:32] badum-ching [11:32] "A graze account with unlimited free boxes" [11:32] noticed ;) [11:33] skinny guys get preference at the interview stage [11:34] I tend to avoid progressing unlucky people. [11:35] "Avoid employing unlucky people - throw half of the pile of CVs in the bin without reading them. " -- David Brent. [11:35] lol [11:35] you've touched upon the calvinist theological doctrine of election there. [11:36] Daviey: I've seen this approach before you throw all the cv's in the air the ones that land in the bin are naturally unlucky right ;) [11:36] aquarius: the app dev evening thing [11:36] davmor2: oh aye. [11:37] aquarius: http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1981804631/estwhdr this one, AlanBell is saying to post it to the ubuntu uk mailing list :) [11:37] yes [11:37] ah, right, yes :) [11:37] Cool, I'll do that. I want to write a blog post myself for my site first :) [11:38] AlanBell: Are you trying to suggest that aquarius send The App Developer event to the ubuntu-uk mailing list? [11:38] AlanBell, thanks [11:38] I'm gonna ping a bunch of people near manchester too :) [11:39] * AlanBell plugs laptop into phone and starts typing longer and more eloquent sentences [11:39] (it would be easier to spoof an email from aquarius, than try and explain your point to that rabbit) [11:46] \o/ to events not in London [11:46] even though I like events in London, it is nice to spread things about [11:46] exactly [11:50] aquarius: for bonus points you could put it on the loco directory [11:50] I could, if I knew how; do tell! [11:50] god luck with that... the server is down. [11:50] good* [11:50] first you need a launchpad account . . . [11:51] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk log in there and click create new event when the server is unbroken [11:52] Daviey: should have used Ensemble [11:52] AlanBell: what Daviey said [11:54] AlanBell: exactly! [11:54] :) [12:07] up to this week I'd never heard of Ensemble or Orchestra [12:08] maybe that's because you haven't got your head in the clouds ho-ho-ho [12:09] * daubers needs to put together a short script that calculates the buzzword density of any given text [12:09] the whole eucalyptus / openstack thing reminds me of the xen/kvm thing [12:10] oimon: nah, it is totally different. [12:10] Buzzword bingo for the live show at oggcamp :) [12:10] usr/share/octopussy/AAT/INC/AAT_PageTop.inc:26: "open-flash-chart.swf", "open_flash_chart", [12:10] oops, clipboard fail [12:12] Daviey: are ubuntu going forward with eucalyptus , openstack or both? loads of xen adopters with redhat were peeved when they had to switch to kvm [12:16] oimon: Openstack will be in main, Eucalyptus is pending being moved to universe. [12:17] oimon: One of the primary reasons for the choice of kvm vs xen, was that xen was a horrible patchset which was a real PITA to maintain. [12:17] kvm made it mainline kernel. [12:17] Now xen is mainline, you'll notice it's also in main :) [12:18] (although depwait on a depends which is awaiting promotion) [12:18] kvm will still remain our favoured tho. [12:21] i had to choose a solution at around that time and was compelled to choose vmware [12:22] redhat couldn't get their act together on providing any real product to manage kvm , meanwhile xen was out of favour [12:32] is it possible to buy android apps using paypal? had my phone 18 months but never actually bought an app [12:33] oimon: it uses Google Checkout [12:34] MartijnVdS: does that allow me to use paypal to pay? [12:34] oimon: no, it's a paypal competitor [12:34] oh :( [12:35] that sux [12:35] I trust google more than I trust paypal/ebay [12:36] i rather have to trust 1 rather than 2 though [12:41] Any reason why &ellipsis; is not working for me in FireFox? [12:45] bigcalm: cause firefox hates you/ [12:45] ? even [12:46] Turns out that … works [12:47] bigcalm: if it helps I still have no idea what you are on about :) [12:47] ... [12:57] noting popey's new toys .. I use one of those with a laptop. find it more comfortable to have it off to the side (like a mouse), rather than having to bend my thumb backwards to reach below the keyboard [12:58] * AlanBell is in Microsoft [12:59] AlanBell: see this is where 4square comes in handy [12:59] AlanBell: ew [13:00] it freaks people out checking into MS oracle and redhat [13:00] AlanBell: insert some linux gpl code into their systems so we can sue them ;) [13:02] they didn't confiscate my Maverick CDs [13:02] Natty even [13:04] AlanBell: I wonder why :) You still got your usb stick though right :) [13:15] davmor2: he said "didn't" not "did" [13:16] oh are [13:16] the usb stick might need disinfecting considering the measures he took getting it through security [13:59] would anyone know why my ubuntu 10.10 running unit tests for php+mysql is 10x slower than mac osx [14:00] same versions of php/mysql and php code [14:11] same RAM, hardware,disk? [14:20] banshee just decided to play the funeral march by chopin oh-oh.. [14:22] oimon: that's it banshee is going to die on you now :) [14:22] it usually does [14:22] :-o [14:24] i recently installed a rhel6.1 desktop and was interested to see gnote, the mono-free tomboy replacement on there. after playing with it for 30 seconds i realised there is no note-sync feature (at least in the version shipped by redhat). chocolate teapot comes to mind [14:24] correct [14:24] i get a bit narked whenever people tell me I should use gnote [14:24] its missing fundamental functionality [14:25] "but it isnt mono" [14:25] _ [14:25] _ __ ___ ___| |__ [14:25] | '_ ` _ \ / _ \ '_ \ [14:25] | | | | | | __/ | | | [14:25] |_| |_| |_|\___|_| |_| [14:25] [14:26] Anyone care to do a traceroute to azelphur.com and tell me if your getting large amounts of packet loss inside he.net? [14:26] hurricane electric has like 60% loss for me :( [14:26] "Synchronization support is being worked on." [14:27] hi [14:27] azelphur i don't see he.net [14:27] oimon, yea, I think some people take a different route and are fine, since there's a bunch of people with no issue [14:27] atlantic-metro.gigabitethernet3-20.core1.nyc4.he.net [14:27] lots of packet loss there [14:28] popey, yep, that's where I'm loosing too [14:28] http://pastebin.com/nGshSHYm [14:28] yea, your going via a different route :) [14:28] 70-80% [14:28] AKA the good route [14:28] indeed [14:28] wonder who I should grumble at about it [14:28] http://paste.ubuntu.com/659325/ [14:29] although quite high ping times [14:29] oimon, 78ms ain't bad to new york [14:29] av ping for me is 150ms [14:29] to az [14:30] GirlyGirl: hello, sorry :) [14:30] ah :) [14:30] oimon: Don't be! [14:30] hows the car? [14:31] oimon: still same, but I changed the mat so I can avoid such a thing again [14:31] I tend to go full hipsterific, and ping @henet on twitter. They actually respond [14:32] oimon: Funny thing though someone was having a discussion with me about females being bad drivers before I crashed, I told the person gender is irrelevant in such stuff. And then I came back with a mashed up car [14:33] i guess most men don't wear stilettos? [14:33] oimon: The accident was not technically my fault [14:33] heh, that's just tempting murphy [14:33] was it a white van? [14:33] oimon: yes why? [14:34] "white van man"..worst driver on the road [14:34] I see [14:34] Hello. [14:34] i drove one once and suddenly i felt like nobody one the road mattered [14:35] felt like a computer game [14:35] haha [14:35] I borrowed my bosses car a while back [14:35] one week to oggcamp :D [14:35] It was quite a missile compared to mine [14:36] oimon: you think van drivers don't care you should drive a lorry sometime :D [14:36] My car is a Toyota Yaris [14:36] think I should tweet to @henet about the packet loss? :P [14:36] davmor2: i still shudder when i think of that footage of a lorry pushing a car along on the motorway, did you see it? [14:36] azelphur_: yes [14:37] yes [14:37] sounds fun :D [14:37] czajkowski: Exciting isn't it! [14:37] I would be scrared to be in the car! [14:37] I thought gnote was dead upstream? [14:37] edit scared [14:37] daubers: yeah really looking forward :D [14:38] AlanBell: gotten any more dolly mixture cake from tesco lately :D [14:38] Daviey: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnote/ [14:38] looks active [14:39] yeah, sure does - i was certain i read it was dropped by the chap behind it [14:39] oimon: been there done that, In the builders merchant where I used to work, some prat parked his Range Rover directly behind my lorry couldn't see in the mirror and reversed backwards for about 40 feet before he jumped back in it and blasted on the horn [14:39] this is terrifying http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/8574609.stm [14:39] Daviey: it was [14:39] it has changed developers [14:40] oimon: when you're in something that weights 38ton you don't notice and extra 2or3 of a car [14:40] yeah, especially if you are texting or eating a pasty :) [14:41] back in a moment [14:46] yay, packet loss fixed \o/ [14:46] I guess twitter saves the day. [14:46] rather worrying that [14:46] packet loss? [14:46] hurricane electric was dropping 70% on the way to my server :( [14:46] :/ [14:47] oimon: the worse thing I saw was a lady doing her makeup come off a slip lane between to lorries go to pull out of the gap into an overtaking lorry car got turn into a box woman dead [14:47] :( [14:47] aaaaaanyway [14:48] once on the road outside my house there was a lady who got killed after a bus pulled well onto her side of the road [14:48] dunno what happened about that though, madness [14:49] czajkowski: nope, but I might get one on the way home :) [14:50] Azelphur: what fixed it? [14:50] Daviey: sending a tweet to hurricane electric :P [14:50] the power of twitter [14:50] silly Microsoft blocked port 22 outbound from their guest network [14:50] \o/ [14:50] AlanBell: hahaha, anticompetitiveness at it's greatest [14:51] should've set up a ssh server running on port 139 :) [14:51] going via 443 [14:51] slowed me down for several seconds [14:56] http://www.speedtest.net/result/1418765059.png good upload speed [14:57] if only I had lots of videos to upload [14:57] AlanBell: torrent ubuntu iso? :) [14:58] haha [14:58] I downloaded Oneiric Alpha 3 at home already [15:01] AlanBell: i was talking about seeding [15:03] * AlanBell seeds [15:06] ah, the ever present sound of police sirens. i must be in E london [15:13] not enough people torrenting it [15:14] ah, no torrent is blocked [15:14] could run it through tsocks back to my server but that would be silly [15:16] * hamitron is getting sick of this internet connection messing [15:16] going to get a cheaper ISP and use the spare cash for a VPN if things don't improve [15:21] * AlanBell downloads alternate and server CDs [15:23] hi [15:28] * popey flounces away from mrevell [15:28] popey, Heh, you're not London. [15:29] https://plus.google.com/u/0/109175303602657131317/posts/LCQbtAHeFsu issyl0 and assenseur [15:30] mrevell: :D [15:30] mrevell: I am glad you got the reference from that! [15:33] * popey notes that AlanBell's link doesn't work for him [15:33] WFM [15:33] the pitfalls of being logged in multiple times in a browser [15:33] what would a blog planet be called in the non techy world? a syndicate? [15:33] my plus account is /u/2/ not /u/0/ [15:33] blog aggregator [15:33] or news aggregator [15:34] or rss aggregator [15:34] but if it's for a craft blog ? hmmm [15:34] for feed aggregator [15:34] the first one then [15:34] blog post aggregator [15:35] not sure if a dedicated one exists for girly things like this [15:35] popey: WFM [15:35] "website" [15:35]