[00:27] jedijf: how have you been? I haven't chatted with you in like, forever. [00:28] freelancer317: good, and you? [00:30] Besides work killing me, pretty good. Got health, and family is good. Just. Need. More. Time.... But I guess we all do, right? [00:30] :-> [00:30] gave up on time; using caffeine [00:30] There is never, and will never, be enough time. [00:31] JonathanD: I think that will be my new signature [00:31] This is why I jog with my laptop every morning while hanging laundry off my back to help it dry and eating my breakfast. [00:31] JonathanD: oh wait that last line will be my new signature! [00:31] lol [00:31] I like the first better, myself :) [00:33] JonathanD How'd FOSSCON go? [00:33] sold out @145 [00:34] 115 in attendance. [00:34] it was hot, though. [00:34] crazy hot [00:34] I enjoyed it :) [00:34] just not the heat. [00:34] Good! And I completely understand about the heat... [00:35] hottest weekend of the year. [00:35] I know... that is about the most unfortunate timing in the history of PA Open Source! lol [00:36] if there was more of that 't' word, that's what i was going to blog about; how despite the heat how the geeks represented [00:36] geeks rule! [00:37] fosscon and the keynote is also why we are here tonight [00:37] Ok... It's after 8:30, do we want to start discussing team shtuff? [00:37] :) [00:37] yes [00:38] jedijf, sounds like pleia2 really inspired you! [00:38] indeed [00:38] Ok... Well, I think it can safely be said that things have been a bit stale in the PA Local Community, and I shoulder that fault [00:39] so if you need to hand off the reigns, i am here to say that if no one objects, i would like to take them [00:39] I wanted to get the team moving, I wanted to get people energized, but I can't do it. [00:40] and jedijf has been with this team since the beginning and is very motivated [00:40] I don't think that it has to fall on one person. [00:40] No, it really shouldn't [00:40] I think we should get a few people, who are excited, have time and energy to devote to the team [00:40] right, that's why in the agenda, i put to re-allocate all the management'y type positions of the loco, and its' resources [00:41] jedijf quite right [00:41] * ChinnoDog creeps into the back of the meeting hall [00:42] I only show up for the oreo cake [00:43] i think that Ubu itself has grown to a point that the LoCo isn't as 'user' needed to get started, but how to keep going, or come back and try again [00:43] :) [00:43] * teddy-dbear pokes ChinnoDog with a sharp stick [00:43] Has there been discussion in the irc about this? [00:43] ChinnoDog: I thought you were bringing that? [00:44] There is only one person that can bring oreo cake, and it is not me [00:44] i think, once again, that the Phila area will just have to set the pace, and usually individuals in other areas will get inspired [00:45] ubu hours, sfd, global bug jam(which we can do virtually, too) [00:45] working with other 'techy' groups regionally and cross-branding stuff [00:46] like we really should have done at fosscon :-( [00:46] fosscon would have been an awesome opportunity. [00:46] I agree [00:46] Sorry JonathanD [00:47] but that's in the past; we cand always do more moving forward [00:47] I have been working through the weekends and it seems like irc is the best way to move this team forward... [00:48] i think meatspace is vital [00:48] (Don't ask why the working through the weekends was in that statement... doing two things at once!) [00:48] in irc we have the same old cast of characters...we need to promote externally [00:48] jedijf... yes, but I think we coordinate events better in irc\ [00:48] Are you calling us old? [00:48] yes [00:48] lol [00:49] old enough to send 30th bday photos from the /past/ [00:49] :-( [00:49] freelancer317, jedijf, there is always next year. [00:49] jedijf you are absolutely right about getting to reach people "in person" [00:49] (help me find a free philly venue!) [00:49] And I would love to help organize other philadelphia events. [00:49] JonathanD I can find a Harrisburg venue for free! [00:50] freelancer317: I do believe there is already an event in harrisburg ;) [00:50] JonathanD the more events the merrier! [00:50] It does seem that Philadelphia is the Mecca of open source [00:51] Philly has a good mass of people. [00:51] Our local computer events in Harrisburg are limited to .Net users group (VERY strong), to CPLUG which has 10 - 25 people attend per month. [00:51] we are just fortunate to have folks like JonathanD and hive and plug to cross-pollinate with [00:51] It is hard to get activists here. [00:52] an the NJ loco team too [00:53] and there is and has always been /interest/ in all other parts of the state just no "nike" spirit (which has lacked statewide) [00:53] I spent many days in harrisburg. Too much of a "governement town" for a lot of FOSS. [00:53] jedijf I agree [00:54] JonathanD... Harrisburg itself is not the key... The 1 million people living in the surrounding area ARE key [00:54] Is there an SFD event in harrisburg? (or near it?) [00:54] I tried to coordinate something a couple years ago, and got 0 interest in help [00:54] the 2 listed for the state officially last I checked were pitt and philly'ish [00:54] from the locals [00:55] The philly event benefits from hijacking PACS meetings. [00:55] it's really like field of dreams..if somneone does it they will come [00:55] again, the existing mass makes it easier to gain more, I guess. [00:55] PACS is one of our strongest allies, I think! [00:55] If you can say ally [00:55] how much of the CPOSC crowd are local? [00:55] that's why i offered...doing stuff usually only required a phone call, and half hour before event setups [00:56] JonathanD the three people who coordinate it are local... A huge amount of attendees are NOT [00:57] I have thrown some help there way, and this year I hope to do more (if my work will allow). [00:58] Is it scheduled yet? [00:58] waltman was asking, and I asked in the cposc channel without reseult a few days ago [00:58] on the site it said october.... [00:58] sometime in october [00:58] tick tock [00:58] dates/times coming soon [00:59] october is VERY soon [00:59] I haven't seen anything and I think I heard that Harrisburg U. is not an option this year (but I may be misinformed) [00:59] mmm [00:59] I might ask again. [01:00] Maybe I can help somehow. [01:00] Let me see if I can raise one them on the channel... [01:03] TheEvilPhoenix was mentioning the meeting online here has he been around? [01:03] i think he's drunk [01:04] lol [01:04] I'm here! [01:04] Let us meet, eh? [01:04] 12:46 < TheEvilPhoenix> i'm rescinding it [01:04] 12:46 < TheEvilPhoenix> because i'm greater than the legal system [01:04] 12:46 < TheEvilPhoenix> (FYI: Drunk) [01:06] so, basically if freelancer317 wants to give up the leadership email and all that it entails, I'd be willing to take it andmove forward [01:06] jthan: stay away from my cookies :-/ [01:07] and go to bed [01:07] ok, I have no problem turning everything over to you Jim, I trust you, I think you are Ubuntu through and through.... But does anyone else have anything to add? [01:07] Well.. Um.. [01:07] Let's see [01:07] jthan always /wants/ to get involved but everytime I take initiative nobody else does [01:07] so it doesn't go anywhere [01:07] I have access to the calendar, and... that's about it [01:07] I drive now.. going to events is feasable. [01:07] [jimf@arch_desktop ~]$ hostname [01:07] arch_desktop [01:08] [jimf@arch_desktop ~]$ [01:08] oops [01:08] :P [01:08] Jokes! [01:08] ./delete [01:08] want !=do [01:08] jthan... Everyone is needed here. Events are what are REALLY needed.. You're in Lehigh valley? [01:08] Yes! [01:08] And I'm ALONE [01:08] haha [01:09] Well... Not completely, but I know the feeling. [01:09] lol [01:09] There aren't many people here from the lehigh valley [01:09] nah, he's alone [01:09] bts3685|vps: left him for a wife [01:09] In fact.. idk if anyone is actually in the valley [01:09] Yeah.. he was close.. then he left [01:09] well there used to be a few people hter [01:09] we can do qmart stuff and find jthan a friend [01:10] hahahaha [01:10] I have a few friends. I should get them on IRC. They're older and have more time - perhaps they'd be willing to setup events. [01:10] Well here's the other thing... It doesn't sound like there are any objections to jedijf being team contact / fearless leader [01:11] Nope. [01:11] * jedijf objects [01:11] He's top notch [01:11] ... but we need to worry about reapproval [01:11] or do we [01:11] jthan: I'll come up to lehigh to help with events. [01:11] re-approval is dead [01:11] JonathanD++ [01:11] Events are sort of my thing. [01:11] I enjoy them, the whole process [01:11] Yeah. I thought reapproval was awhile ago.. except it never really happened [01:11] freelancer317: in fact, I think I emailed you about it, even [01:11] We are still approved [01:11] Until October [01:12] it would be embarrassing to dopefiend it, when for a long time we haven't really ubu Loco'd anything [01:12] (I finessed) [01:12] Which reminds me. I'd like to have a picnic. [01:12] picnics are nice. [01:13] In bridgeport. [01:13] I have lots of places in mind for outdoor stuff. Indoor stuff I haven't really found any great places [01:13] Connecticut? [01:13] PA [01:13] Here's why reapproval is less than fun... We have to do monthly reports, we have to satisfy people on the council that we are viable [01:13] monthly reports for when? [01:13] I happen to live there, but they also have a nice park, pavilion, and train access to philadelphia. [01:13] like months past, or months in the future [01:14] like i said re-approval is pointless with a vacant recent past [01:14] are we a not-group? [01:14] i'd rather create a future and re-apply [01:14] Good things about approval... CD's (which can be a mixed bag if we can't move them), and better stuff for events if we request in advance. [01:15] jedijf: what makes a viable future? [01:15] doing stuff [01:15] Events? and which events can ubuntu pa claim? [01:15] I don't care either way.. I just don't want to leave the council waiting for an answer [01:15] jedijf: Valid point.. if getting re-approved is going to be like pissing in the wind, we might as well accept that it's going to happen lik ethat, and then plan ahead [01:15] that's my thought; fight now, we are not *worthy* [01:15] s/fight/right [01:15] jedijf: what level of activity is "worthy" [01:16] no ones fault; i haven't done anything [01:16] Well the representation at CPOSC has been what has kept us in the picture I think (and our history in Philly) [01:16] JonathanD: anything [01:16] I mean, we missed an op with fosscon I guess. [01:16] JonathanD EXACTLY missed an op [01:16] we've missed opps every 6 months - releases [01:16] I do the geeknic thing about 4 times a year though, can ubuntu-pa fly a flag there? [01:16] Yeah.. and even Ubuntu hours.. [01:17] When's the last time anyone had one of them here? [01:17] JonathanD yep [01:17] pleia2: has them out in Cali all the time. [01:17] As long as we report it [01:17] JonathanD: the answer to all is yes; again *nike* [01:17] Ok. [01:17] that's how we got approved.... [01:17] We shall all have an ubuntu hour in my living room. [01:17] exactly [01:18] There will be tacos. [01:18] lol [01:18] and cookies? [01:18] Or burgers. [01:18] I'll leave the snacks to jedijf [01:18] Seriously though.. [01:18] oreo cake! [01:18] If we're going to let this slide /for now/ we better get a list of events that we CAN do.. then we better start picking dates and making them happen. [01:18] Whats lacking for an ubuntu hour? Places to hold them, or just planning? [01:19] nike [01:19] I think part is planning part is motivation [01:19] Well - I'd be happy to have an Ubuntu hour. I don't know what that really entails, and as I said before - I don't have any places around here that have willingly said "yes you can use our space for..." [01:19] shoes? [01:19] JonathanD: you can say, i'll have an hour at Ginos [01:19] jedijf: well then, I'm game. [01:19] we ml, forum irc it [01:19] jedijf: I'll happily do that if it doesn't matter where. [01:19] people come, eat giants, bitch about unity [01:19] lol [01:20] I wanna have some up my way to see what interest is out there [01:20] It seems like that is alot of it. [01:20] I'm on good terms with the marketing guy at ginos. [01:20] because if we grow the community in this area, there are more people who could contribute to events. [01:20] Might even get some kind of deal out of it. [01:20] then again, we explain the freedom of any desktop you want to run and show them [01:20] jthan yes [01:20] and that's why I always wanted to have events up my way.. to try to get some more people so I don't feel alone :-p [01:20] Ok. I'll commit to making an ubuntu hour happen in my area. [01:20] But then I get into the school year (and I am only a senior in highschool...) and things go south [01:20] ok, this is getting pathetic [01:21] jthan: i promise we'll do something your way if qmart counts [01:21] my big problem at CPOSC is everyone uses Ubuntu already. We don't reach many new users who haven't heard of us. [01:21] as your way [01:21] we can start with something simple like a picnic [01:21] freelancer317: that's the way it is now [01:22] hmmm [01:22] jedijf: QMart is 20 minutes from me. totally counts. But it isn't like there's just "usable space" in QMart. Haha [01:22] why it's a little trickier, more of a support, than get started thing [01:22] jthan: outdoor flea market table showing off [01:22] interesting idea. [01:22] lets go to zerns. [01:22] that too [01:22] JonathanD: totally worth it just to go to qmart [01:22] everywhere [01:23] nj loco did columbus market [01:23] * ChinnoDog waits for time and location so he can show up [01:23] see [01:23] Don't wait [01:23] make it happen [01:23] ChinnoDog I thought you were in DC now? [01:23] There is no time to wait, only time to execute. [01:23] Okay [01:23] That's what we need [01:23] only during the week [01:23] ChinnoDog: in dc ^^ [01:23] QMArt [01:24] I have off August 9-19 [01:24] Is that too short notice? [01:24] I have off a week this month, I forget which. [01:24] yeah, i'll prolly be doing an hour on 3rd sat at hive [01:24] ubu hr(3 actually) [01:24] then sfd [01:24] then bug jam [01:24] the cposc [01:24] What do you do at ubuntu hour? [01:24] during the week? pfft [01:24] aug - sept - oct [01:24] jedijf>> Do you want the admin rights and stuff to the team? It isn't a pain for me to maintain that for the group (Launchpad, Mailing List, Forums) [01:25] ChinnoDog: be a saturday in Quakertown [01:25] I have to head out. [01:25] i would like to have roles for people, like we did in the past(current) with multiples in the event of untimely demise [01:25] I'll do something in KOP. Date TBA. [01:25] of any one person [01:26] don't want to micromanage, and make everyone feel part of [01:26] like calendar was kejava and lamalex [01:26] who are both GONE [01:26] jthan is also on the calendar [01:26] pleia2 is good to have everywhere like she is as ultimate fallback [01:26] 'xactly [01:27] phoenix can get stuff [01:27] Ok... I'll add you on, but I'll keep myself there too.... pleia2 and ChinnoDog are on launchpad [01:27] ChinnoDog: even [01:27] So let's get two more people to step up and make sure the calendar looks good. [01:27] JonathanD: is bogged down with geeknics and fosscons, but he can do events [01:28] irc was/is andrew and pleia2 ...that's good [01:28] Mailing list has been lamalex and me and someone else.... [01:28] so we can offer the roles up, to spur involvement and sense of ownership [01:28] I'm on the irc too [01:28] we kinda already know the players anyway [01:29] Yep. I am not sure if I can give access to the website or not. [01:29] but dupplication/triplication is necessary because sometimes life does get in the way [01:29] pleia2: can [01:29] THat might have to come from pleia2 [01:29] it's hers anyways [01:29] i mean she got it [01:29] pro bono [01:29] yes it is :-) [01:30] thank you Pleia2 [01:30] soon to be 1/2 mj's [01:30] true [01:30] we may need a prenup [01:30] pleia2: ^^^^^ [01:30] Google could take it all over! [01:30] lol [01:30] Ok. I'll start working on getting you on the things I can. [01:31] you have my email addy right? [01:31] you can keep all the adminny rights you want [01:31] addy.. adminny [01:31] awesome sauce [01:31] iirc evil is central pa college'ish, so i would like him to get involved [01:32] the myfisher one, right? [01:32] yeah [01:32] k [01:32] jedijf at myfisher dot org [01:32] Yea I got it [01:33] wiki team - web team - JonathanD -> events team [01:33] I'll let the team contacts know as well. [01:33] You can send them and intro if you want (It doesn't really need to be done) [01:33] i'll throw something together [01:33] But if you want to, you'll get some welcome aboard emails [01:34] hold an oreo cake hostage for pleia2 to vouch for me [01:34] lol [01:35] So are we in agreement to tell the council that we are foregoing the approval process this cycle while we are in "reoganization" mode? [01:35] that's how i would handle it [01:36] it's honest [01:36] because right now there are alot of jthan's isolated throughout the state, not knowing that we're here to be their friends [01:37] Lol [01:37] You better be serious about qmart [01:37] remember that farmer kid from delaware county...a few events that way and he might still be around [01:37] farmer kid.. [01:37] jthan: campaign bs [01:38] campaign bs? [01:38] jthan "you are not along, young man" [01:38] nm [01:38] Not campaign bs [01:38] I don't accept that [01:38] it's not [01:38] i need to get some fleck's [01:38] ubuntu 15 minutes in the fleck's sticky bun line [01:39] and old magazine shopping at the old magazine store (that's for ChinnoDog) [01:39] You don't need to wait 15 minutes [01:39] Right. I've got to start running some queries, and customers are sending me more emails [01:39] jedijf: can't forget about pizza and auntie anne's [01:39] so yeah, do it, we'll survive [01:40] jthan how close are you to Macungie? [01:40] eh.. 30-45 minutes [01:40] * jedijf triangulates jthan's location [01:40] You know where Bethlehem is? [01:40] I can be in Bethlehem in 5 minutes. [01:40] My company owns a warehouse there and are opening another soon [01:40] hellertown [01:40] Not like you just checked fb or anything [01:41] thanks for the g+ invite btw [01:41] I was just adding random people and I was like "... he needs something new to play with.. and I think he runs a phone w/ android" [01:41] we could roadtrip the hive4a too [01:41] or do you still have an iPhone? [01:41] no captivate running serendipity [01:42] I had a captivate for awhile. [01:42] gazelled my iPhone for $30 more than i paid for it [01:42] Wow [01:43] at&t and i parted laptop card ways when they discontinued my unlimited [01:43] i went clear mobile hotspot [01:43] hooray jedijf [01:43] for 4g van action (where available) and tether to at&t in 3g [01:44] pleia2: for what [01:44] jedijf: that was my vouch :) [01:44] pleia2: thank you...did you see that we need a prenup for ubuntupennsylvania.org....have mj sign off [01:45] lol [01:45] pleia2 Congrats btw! [01:45] Belated as it might be [01:45] freelancer317: thank you :) [01:45] just give me a nudge if you need me to add anyone anywhere (irc, wordpress, etc) [01:46] yeah we'll do that at a later meeting; do a process [01:46] if any [01:46] pleia2 jedijf should be added to wordpress [01:46] I think gallery has officially suicided itself upon upgrade, so if someone wants to fix that it would probably be good [01:46] (I really don't like debugging it) [01:46] andrew: ^^^^ [01:46] for california we use flickr :\ [01:46] lol [01:46] he's our resident photographer [01:47] and he's got free bot time [01:47] hehe [01:47] he needs to fix his son [01:47] er bot [01:47] i think it's banned due to memory leakage [01:48] yeah, it sometimes explodes and takes up all the cpu, it needs to stop doing that [01:48] i think that's why i upgraded pacsbot [01:48] * jthan announces that the meeting is adjourned [01:48] seconded [01:48] I'm hungry, I just got done working 10 hours [01:48] But I ran home for this! [01:48] 10.....half day [01:48] lol [01:48] liar [01:48] Lol. [01:49] 10 is more than I'm legally allowed to work [01:49] hellertown,china [01:49] hahaha [01:49] you'd be retired by now [01:50] I'm off to sql world... Good meeting everyone! [01:51]